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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
Rick,
Since you've posted links to a paper titled "Recent global-warming hiatus tied to equatorial Pacific surface cooling", I assume you've read it and can tell me the implications of the 'equatorial Pacific surface cooling.'

I mean, because you use the paper to make an argument, I assume you can provide details on its conclusion, right?


($100 says you can't.)
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
Two Dicks and a Ron.
The Deniers need a few morons.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Yep, it's very odd the Chief keeps citing the Kosaka and Xie paper. It's what we've been trying to pound into him for months.

There's something not right with that boy.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Rick,
I don't see where you've made a point about climate change that is correct. You didn't manage to point one out in your long post.

And no, I'm not surprised.


EDIT: To be clear, you need to show me where the papers Chiloe provided offer proof to your assertion. Why? Because I say the papers prove you wrong.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
It is all about you.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
what if we just don't worry about The Chief... he is the drama queen of this thread, for sure...

Deal. I'll stop.



Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
One more time Rick:

Rick, lets attempt some Socratic method here, a simple set of question:

1. Are the oceans a part of the globe?

2. Is there a so-called "pause" or "stall" or "hiatus" in the rising ocean heat content?

3. When you keep quoting this: "Then temperatures stayed fairly flat", what temperatures are the authors referring to? Is it Air/atmosphere? Ocean surface? Entire ocean? Please be specific.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
It is all about you.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
It is all about you.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Third attempt Rick, simple questions. Please answer them:

1. Are the oceans a part of the globe?

2. Is there a so-called "pause" or "stall" or "hiatus" in the rising ocean heat content?

3. When you keep quoting this: "Then temperatures stayed fairly flat", what temperatures DO YOU THINK the authors referring to? Is it Air/atmosphere? Ocean surface? Entire ocean? Please be specific.


bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
More glacier recession answers (there are so many):

Eliot Glacier, Mt. Hood

Palisade Glacier

Lyell Glacier
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
http://nrmsc.usgs.gov/research/glacier_retreat.htm

Just spent a lot of time in Montana.
Credit: wilbeer


Your right,your right ,your always right.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
It is all about you
Credit: wilbeer
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
In the interest of civility ( a good natured brawl anyway) let me start by asking Ed- How was your climbing at the Leap, what routes did you do and how were you feeling? I don't venture there much anymore, the last two times climbing with Norwegian and before that free solo only during weekdays and with harness, long slings and a few protection peices if i get at all nervous. These days i like the solitude of remote unclimbed crags and non serious routes.

Anyway, getting back to my question of other learned men posing on this thread, perhaps Ed can answer. The Earth radiates from the core to the global surface something like 0.8 watts per sq. meter. What happens to this heat in the ocean depths, the deep ( below several thousand feet is uniformly 3-4 degrees c over the entire globe, The pressures are incredible, the oceanic turnover ( complete mixing of water from surface to bottom) something like 1000's of years, so does this slow steady heat buildup somehow initiate the turnover, and if there are in fact turnovers of different ocean basins ocurring all the time on different times and frequencies how can Trenberth's missing heat sink downward against such an upwelling?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
I only keep smaller trout ,because they are better eating.
Camping and climbing and only fishing for food.

4 breeds of trout on one Adams my dad tied.
From small creeks in the Alpine.
It is all about you.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
How do you cook them Wibeer- a little wild onion, butter and garlic? Looks tasty for the end of a long day of mountain play.

About the heat and oscillations, and your climbing Ed?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Retreat of the Athabasca glacier
http://www.flickr.com/photos/redbeardmathpirate/sets/72157621831481716/
http://www.global-greenhouse-warming.com/melting-athabasca-glacier.html
http://icecubicle.net/2009/10/21/athabasca-glacier-rapid-retreat/
http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Glacier+retreat+affects+stream+ecology+water+resources+with+video+photos/7406416/story.html
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
With a couple of brats and beer.


Your right ,your right ,your always right.
Spitzer

climber
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
The Earth radiates from the core to the global surface something like 0.8 watts per sq. meter.

rick sumner, why do you keep posting the wrong number when it is so easy to look up the correct one?

"The mean heat flows of continents and oceans are 65 and 101 mW m−2, respectively, which when areally weighted yield a global mean of 87 mW m−2 and a global heat loss of 44.2 10^12 W, an increase of some 48% over earlier estimates." http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/93RG01249/abstract
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
"Blasphemy" ha.
A buddy is from Wisconsin and he insisted,he packed in 8 brats,frozen,we ate them for 4 days.It was really damn good.
I always bring a clove of garlic and a lemon when i fish,and that skillet.
Credit: wilbeer
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