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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Sorry to interject and throw cold water on this hothouse argument but i've been hearing rather different opinions on the direction of mean temps. Can you CAGW folk please debunk these articles-they're not science just observation and opinion.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/down-to-minus-45/article4640409.ece

http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/179-dr-habibullo-abdussama
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Hmnn-some of the biggest engineering/construction firms on Earth under contract with DOE? Fascism is where we are heading? Anyway Ed,just prepping you-read the observations/opinion-debunk please.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 23, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
Sorry to interject and throw cold water on this hothouse argument but i've been hearing rather different opinions on the direction of mean temps. Can you CAGW folk please debunk these articles-they're not science just observation and opinion.

Was the same way last year and the year before that. Here's last year;
http://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/cold-spell-europe-late-winter-20112012

Then what's been happening is; it gets hotter than sh#t in the summer. Russia has been literally burning in the summers - look it up. We had smoke blocking the sun here in the Northwest last year from the Russian fires and then we had our own serious fires. Will probably do the same damn thing this year.....Just like last year in the USA Midwest too.

Here's 2009; http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2011GL047667/abstract

What was your point Rick.....How cold it's getting all year now since the climate has been cooling so much?

Here's a 2006 heat wave just for the heck of it;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_European_heat_wave

Here's some home-schooling for you, and there's lot's more where that came from;

http://theweathercentre.blogspot.com/2012/12/polar-vortex-collapse-arctic-freeze.html

If you really want to know what's going on I hear the Heartland Institute For Dumbf*#ks has lots of good stuff.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 23, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
It was so hot in March that Britain came within six hours of running out of natural gas.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
That would come under the heading of "climate change", TGT.

Try to understand how averages work.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
It was so hot in March that Britain came within six hours of running out of natural gas.

and because of this, all those heat records set very recently are just lies, TGT?

let me try one, here in Albuquerque it got a little cold this winter, therefore the record high temps and Extreme Drought and watering restriction we are under are just lies

TGT, year after year, over and over, you prove the lower diversity of the human gene pool
WBraun

climber
May 23, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
actual scientific paper

Pfffttt!!!

Ya all are bad boys in this day and age.

You treat nature like sh!t.

Nature treats you like sh!t back.

Ya all don't need no stupid scientific paper.

Ya all are getting asses kicked daily and you're searching for some stupid paper.

Real men talk to Material Nature and Material Nature will answer.

Start behaving like real men and the climate will become harmonious and nice again.

But ya can't do it.

The 6 billion dollar smash machine won't tell you sh!t either except that you ripped off Material Nature and your fellow man again.

Therefore lightning bolt on top of your stooopid heads .......
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 23, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Britain has been out of gas for a very, very long time.

DMT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
Interesting observations ,i will give you that.They wont even make a blip on the averages though.

Now ,for some of my own;
Winter this year did not even come close to starting until after christmas.

Buffalo,ny only had 55 inches of snow this year,35 last year .Annnual average 110 inches.

December this past year was the last month of 29 in a row with at least one day over 60f in each.

It was the hottest year[last] ever recorded in the lower 48.

Rick ,you are in construction,did you know up until about 8 to 10 years ago you could not dig a basement 4 months of the year because of deep ground frost.Not any more ,frost rarely advances more than 6 inches.

We have problems with fleas,deer ticks and moths.These are all new problems,we never had them growing up around here.



Finally,while i will agree it was a long winter as the hindu article observed,we lost almost all of our snowpack in less than a week and our temps now are in the high 80s.A one week kayak season,and dry as bone now.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 23, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
They wont even make a blip on the averages though.

Good that you brought that up. Deniers love to talk about averages because it hides all the extremes like I posted above.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
My point is the mean temps have flattened or slightly decreased over the last ten years. It appears, by some accounts, we could be heading into a long period of decline, possibly down 1.5c global mean by 2035. While we here in our little fantasy land debating global warming there are serious scientists around the world debating the extent of global cooling-go figure.Anyway below i listed the title of a paper that might have some bearing on the debate.

A new approach to long-term reconstruction of the solar irradiance leads to large historical forcing. Shapiro Astronomy & Astrophysics Feb. 2011
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
Your point is temps have flattened in the last 10 years.
The problem with that statement is the total disregard to the temps wildly rising from the turn of the century to that point.

I know ,you guys think you are so clever leaving that bit of info out.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 23, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
The temps track solar activity almost exactly.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 23, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
Rick it is pretty hard to debunk an opinion...you have yours and we have proven it is WRONG repeatedly but you still hold on to the edge of the flat earth.

Let's talk solutions to the problem...if we had 100% of the people doing SOMETHING small in thier daily lives it would add up to a big difference...

Here are some of the things that I have done this past year:

Planted a large garden of hot peppers, sweet potatoes, Gabi (Taro), chile peppers, Sayote, Ampalaya, basil

Pumped all water for showers, drinking, washing and watering my garden from a deep well.

Walked to and from all destinations less than 5 miles--took public transport (bus) to all other destinations (climbing mostly)

these are just a few examples---I wanted to use solar power but couldn't find a store that had solar panels in Cebu Philippines
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 23, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
It wasn't very long ago when the argument was that the Earth has not been warming at all. It is a moving target. Why? Imagine the expense and difficulty of converting our lives to non-fossil fuels. No airplanes, for example.

It should be science, but it has always been political since day one. I am damn glad that I don't have that kind of scrutiny over my work.

I was watching a lecture on climate change and snow pack the other day, and the data looks like the northern hemisphere is going to be affected far more than the southern hemisphere. Antarctica is always white and shiny. When summer ice goes away in the arctic, there goes the albedo reflection. Sure there will be ice in winter, but it is dark in winter.

I'm enjoying watching all of this play out. If you just read this thread it makes you wonder if mankind deserves the reigns to the planet.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 23, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
Rick, start doing searches about Arctic Vortex Collapse and you'll see that the cold is a result of changes in the Arctic because of AGW. The first link I gave you doesn't mention AGW, but the warm air entering the Arctic isn't coming from some far of mythological future iceage. Your trouble is that you are surrounded by people with their heads in the sand (more like snow where you are), and it's going to be very difficult to break out of that. The other problem is; there is lots of support to keep your head in the snow with places like the Heartland Institute for the Blind. I read that crap and I fear for our countries future. I don't expect you to change, but try reading something on the net besides comic books. Don't read and look for stuff that supports the fact that you don't want climate change to be happening - none of us want it to be happening. You need to learn why it's happening.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 12:00am PT
BASE ,I hope your grandkids get to ski.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 24, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Imagine the expense and difficulty of converting our lives to non-fossil fuels. No airplanes, for example.

More importantly, imagine the Big Oil CEOs not making their revolting bonuses... and the public paying the ACTUAL cost of petroleum products.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 12:37am PT
If you just read this thread it makes you wonder if mankind deserves the reigns to the planet.


Yes BASE this thread lacks some civility,lots of name calling,bitter disagreement.Human nature.
I consider it a large advancement over lets say war.Consider the fact of where my mother comes from in West Virginia,she had not to distant relatives that fought and killed each other in the civil war.
Partisan bickering and name calling pales in comparison.
While i totally agree it should not be about politics,what the hell is not anymore.



One would like to remain positive in the face of such,The glass is half full.
new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 12:41am PT
There should be a cow flatulence tax. Oh wait, it's in the works!

How about taxing us humans for breathing? After all, that CO2 is soooo evil!


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