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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 21, 2013 - 07:08am PT
What's the difference between climate alarmists claiming tornados are earths vengeance for modern civilization,

and Westboro nuts claiming it's God's vengeance for homosexuality?


Same thought process.

just different gods.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 07:09am PT
Fuking idiot.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:23am PT
hhmmm all the global warmers doing nothing but killing the messenger, and not the message. Cool.. Things are as usual.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 21, 2013 - 07:27am PT
TGT--where has anyone claimed that tornadoes are vengeance for modern civilization--we are saying there is CAUSE and EFFECT.

We are also saying with MODERN TECHNOLOGY we could free ourselves from burning fossil fuels that contribute to climate change thus eliminating or reducing the CAUSE and EFFECTS.

Unfortunately the BIG OIL, Multinational Corporations, and SUPERWEALTHY have suppressed the technologies that could enable this. They have also clouded the debate with MISINFORMATION.

Sadly people like you (who should be more intelligent than you demonstrate)are part of the problem...by refusing to acknowledge what is happening before your eyes.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 21, 2013 - 07:33am PT
You misunderstood TGT...

What he actually said is that since, using his example, the Westboro Baptists reasoning is total bullshit and without any basis in reality, then so too must the climatologists' reasonings.

I don't believe TGT believes this.

I do, however, think that it is the underlying cause for climate change denial.

"We been lied to before."

Butthurt, basically :-)

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:36am PT
I dont think ANYONE here is denying climate CHANGE, but how that change is brought about and the effects man has on it and the amount of affect man has in it is in question, as that is ALL THEORY, which begs for questioning.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 21, 2013 - 07:39am PT
I dont think ANYONE here is denying climate CHANGE,

Then you've had your head up your a*# for a decade, no offense. I've read the words, here and elsewhere.

No question the deniers have morphed their denials in the face of increasing evidence that strongly suggests they are wrong.

"Oh... we never said the climate wasn't changing!!!" (LIARS!)

DMT
dirtbag

climber
May 21, 2013 - 07:39am PT
Do you know what a theory is, Ron?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:41am PT
Yes Dirt,, Dingus just pulled one out of his arse..;-) Much like climate change and global warming, he took a few scattered facts and theorized and end result.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 07:45am PT
bharata (the other alleged "mountain climber" on this forum) raises an interesting question, although perhaps not quite the one he had in mind. I have yet to see any significant explanation for the causes of this particular short term and localized climate event. Neither his Dust bowl wiki page or Ken Burns documentary mention the causes effecting the rapid desertification that occurred.

If anyone knows of any theories I'd love to hear it. Even Fox news theories might be amusing.

The more interesting question is why exactly deniers love to illustrate how humanity has always proven capable of apparently shrugging its shoulders and "adapting" or weathering it out with stoic rugged individualism. Its as if their understanding of the direct impact of pretty much all natural (or unnatural) disasters gets a big "whatever" but chooses to gloriously mythologize the minority that crawl out of the destruction and soldier on to eventual success. It is a wonderful narrative to us all of course but you have to wonder at the intellectual and moral maturity of those who can't seem to make it past first base.

The hilarity is that they then attempt to compensate for their obvious Darwinian impulses by parading vague rhetorical assertions of "we should spend all our science money on the poor and starving" which they fail to mention that can only happen in the context of more Darwinian Laissez Faire Capitalism as prescribed by thier version of the teachings of Jesus.

The Dust Bowl is certainly a good example of how even a short term extreme climate event can be very destructive both locally and in combination to a man made financial disaster effected much of the worldwide societies. Good thing it only lasted a decade and good thing it also didn't coincide with failing fisheries, increased storm surge and flood events, and a plague of guns and most of the world thoroughly pissed off at America.

But hey, American exceptionalism ought to battle its way through as usual and quite frankly, fuk the weak.
dirtbag

climber
May 21, 2013 - 07:45am PT
What is it, then?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 07:47am PT
You seem to LOVE bashing Americans and America BK..What did Americans do to you?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 21, 2013 - 07:54am PT
Are you kidding? I love America, which is why I'm slapping a wet fish across your face.

By the way, when Myself, Dingus or yourself pulls something out of your Ass, that is a notion or at best an idea, not a theory.

You have no idea what a theory is.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 21, 2013 - 08:03am PT
I dont think ANYONE here is denying climate CHANGE, but how that change is brought about and the effects man has on it and the amount of affect man has in it is in question, as that is ALL THEORY, which begs for questioning.

Yes, climate CHANGE is well represented in the geologic record. Congratulations for accepting that.

All climate change in the past can EASILY be explained by differences in orbit, increased volcanism, changes in land mass distribution, etc. The ONLY phenomenon even remotely capable of explaining the current climate change trends is the addition of anthropogenic CO2 to the atmosphere. That's it... period. There are NO alternative hypothesis that even come close.

Scientists have offered a VERY reasonable explanation based on the EASILY MEASURABLE addition of large amounts of anthropogenic CO2. If it weren't for big oil's campaign to save their billion $ profits, NOBODY would have ANY problem accepting that climate change is due to anthropogenic CO2... especially since there is NO REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE hypothesis that can explain the current observations.

You are smarter than that Ron.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 08:06am PT
Nonsense. I read and accumulated your responses and theorized youve a problem with Americans.

Much like the "scientists" were theorizing the mass extinction of species of life organisms due to global warming THEY DONT EVEN KNOW ABOUT...???


" Im predicting the loss of life,, i dont know what those are,, but they are hurting i assure you" lol!


dirtbag

climber
May 21, 2013 - 08:07am PT
What is a theory?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 08:11am PT
get of that dirt.. want me to cut and paste the dictionary term or whut?



So far a lot of bad science examples have been given..That is normal in THEORETICAL situations is it not? As actual knowledge advances, theories CHANGE.
dirtbag

climber
May 21, 2013 - 08:12am PT
No, in your own words, can you explain what it is?
shit tooth

Trad climber
Oklahoma City, OK
May 21, 2013 - 08:12am PT
I dont think ANYONE here is denying climate CHANGE, but how that change is brought about and the effects man has on it and the amount of affect man has in it is in question, as that is ALL THEORY, which begs for questioning.

Lets start here, http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html

I would agree that it is a theory :D
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 21, 2013 - 08:13am PT
When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. In the scientific method, there is a clear distinction between facts, which can be observed and/or measured, and theories, which are scientists’ explanations and interpretations of the facts. Scientists can have various interpretations of the outcomes of experiments and observations, but the facts, which are the cornerstone of the scientific method, do not change.

A theory must include statements that have observational consequences. A good theory, like Newton’s theory of gravity, has unity, which means it consists of a limited number of problem-solving strategies that can be applied to a wide range of scientific circumstances. Another feature of a good theory is that it formed from a number of hypotheses that can be tested independently.

A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time.

Theories are foundations for furthering scientific knowledge and for putting the information gathered to practical use. Scientists use theories to develop inventions or find a cure for a disease.

A few theories do become laws, but theories and laws have separate and distinct roles in the scientific method. A theory is an explanation of an observed phenomenon, while a law is a description of an observed phenomenon.


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there ya go Dirt..



a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.
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Mathematics . a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4.
the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5.
a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles: conflicting theo




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