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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
^^^^That was a waste of a post Weschrispie. Stated absolutely NOTHING.^^^^

Also, any good analysis will show that more destruction is being experienced the last decade from tornadoes due to one thing. Human expansion into areas that were void prior to that time frame. NOT GCC.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iN3OpJS3ffvOYB08Zp-xeRSCmO2A?docId=CNG.041943dc452c61a507ee986061b49f2d.51

Climate change could bring less tornadoes, because while a warmer atmosphere will absorb more precipitation, causing more storms, it could also reduce the wind shear that builds storm intensity when cold and warm fronts collide.

Sorry Chief, not so simple. But thanks for playing.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^They have to substantiate that fatalism buck some how.

More people have died the last year in Syria than all the GCC confirmed related deaths. Fact. What does science have to fix that issue.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 23, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Yes, gratitude to ST's assembly of U.S. veterans.


ED works for the same government Boys Club that invented, designed and helped implement this wonderful and save the planet item. And they were not from Manhattan.








My sorrows for events of the past, Chief... but Dr Ed doesn't work for the government agency that invented, designed or implemented Fat Man/ Little Boy bombs . After preliminary efforts at the National Bureau of Standards and Office of Scientific Research and Development, those weapons were produced by the. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

I believe Ed still works for Bechtel, in contract work for the Department of Energy. (as I did in a more modest position)

Current nuclear weapons activities are administered by the National Nuclear Security Administration, semi-autonomous from the Department of Energy. (and erstwhile built weapons are subordinate to the Department of Defense.)
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
^^^^^ So it is safe to assume that the below link is a lie. Got it.^^^^^

https://www-pls.llnl.gov/?url=about_pls-scientific_staff-hartouni_e


Edward Hartouni received a B.A in physics from the University of California at Berkeley in 1976 and an M.A., M.Ph., and Ph.D. from Columbia University in 1978, 1979, and 1984, respectively. He was a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Massachusetts from 1985 to 1988 and an assistant professor there from 1985 to 1994. He joined Lawrence Livermore in 1995 as a physicist involved in high-energy physics research. In 1995 Ed Hartouni joined the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory N Division. At LLNL he became the Program Leader in the proton radiography program a collaboration with LANL. Work for this program culminated in the Scrounge-atron, a proposal to build an accelerator from existing parts at the Nevada Test Site to enable proton radiography experiments on relevant, dynamic objects. During this time period maintained an attenuated presence in basic research with the collaboration MINOS (Main Injector Neutrino OScillation) experiment at Fermilab as well as the PHENIX experiment at BNL Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) and most recently the MIPP experiment at Fermilab. Co-author over 120 refereed publications in high energy physics, radiology, accelerator science.

Ed served as N Division leader (2002-2008) and as the Deputy Associate Director for Science & Technology in the Physical and Life Sciences Directorate from 2009-2010. He is currently engaged in research in Homeland Security and in the NIC/NIF. He serves as the LLNL Point-of-Contact to the DOE/SC/HEP office.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
^^what's your point Chief, nothing there about National Nuclear Security Administration^^

The Chief neglects to mention that The Chief worked in the department that is armed by nuclear weapons.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
More people have died the last year in Syria than all the GCC confirmed related deaths. Fact. What does science have to fix that issue.


oh my god. Didn't someone just claim this guy was intelligent?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
^^^^Refute the claim Kay!^^^^^^

As I posted before LION, I have no qualms nor have I ever stated I did in doing what I did.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Thats all you got?
Really,a professor from one of the worst colleges in the u.s.a.
I know a few different guys that played hockey for UAH,there is a reason they went to that school.


With just regard for your humor, Wilbeer...U.A.H is one of the excellently regarded engineering and science institutions in the U.S. and its grads are actively recruited.

Perhaps the University of Alabama-Huntsville isn't rated as eminently as M.I.T. or Caltech. But all relevant research and innovation doesn't transpire at a handful of universities.

Of 1074 accredited engineering colleges in the U.S..UAH is rated 89th by U.S. News
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
And since Ed is not involved in nukes, I'd bet he has no qualms in what he is doing either.

Btw, Chief, I'm not mountainlion. Try to focus.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Refute what???????????????????????????????????????????????

your a nincompoop.


And the really funny thing of it is, you are the top of the pile!


Wow, that was a bit of a trip going over to the other side for a while but holy sh#t the rabbit hole of circular reasoning makes your hair fall out and gives you scabies. Who put the acid in my tea anyway?
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 23, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
After reading Ed's posts last night as well as some of the rational arguments made by others, and then seeing the responses of rick, ron and thechief, the phrase "pearls before swine" came to mind.

Not being the religious sort, I did not have a bible handy to look up the whole thing, so I found this on wiki:

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

I quit trying to argue with the mentally unstable and logically unhygienic blockheads like thechief, but I like reading the articles, arguments and wit of those that continue the impossible--it'd be much easier to talk an alcoholic into quitting booze.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
Jennie,that may be Today,not 35 years ago.


I am sorry ,i should have clarified that.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
wise words lennox. But if you're not a war hero it don't mean sh#t around here.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
-it'd be much easier to talk an alcoholic into quitting booze.

Really. You know this from personal regular experience or are you pulling this out your arse.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Youtube is a gold mine of old Movies that the Chief starred in. Here he demonstrates his prowess in reasoning and critical analysis while his minions look on in awe and appreciation:



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
^^^^That was a waste of a post Weschrispie. Stated absolutely NOTHING.^^^^

Only because you can't fathom what interannual variability in a complex natural system actually means.

As far as the healthcare issue, it is quite aggravating to go to my rural health clinic for my quarterly check up and see the waiting room 1/2 full of "no hablas" that most assuredly do not have any kind of health insurance to speak of.

I'm pretty sure your health care jab was aimed at me...

the unemployed (weschrist) is getting "free" healthcare specifically because of "Obamacare"

Yet I habla just fine. You can't even manage a coherent thought in that tiny head of yours.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
question for the "chief":

why would you be so damn childish as to try to diminish the college that Ed attended?

are you now some kind of expert judge of colleges and their academic standards?

where did YOU go to college and what is YOUR degree in, chief?

you really seem to delight in trying real hard to insult and mock other people on this thread


who gives a damn how many people were killed in Syria, yet you try to make that somehow relevant to climate change....

you are clearly not a stupid man by any means, yet you are not man enough to come right out and admit when you are proven flat wrong, as I did to you when you shot your uninformed mouth off about the healthcare legislation somehow providing "free' healthcare to the unemployed, you are full of sh!t
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
The problem with The Chief is not that he is naturally stupid, it is that he choses to be stupid.

That Syria assertion of his was just dumbfounding. The only thing I can think that he is trying to communicate is something along the lines of his Law of Evolution wiping us all off the map sometime soon so party while you can, which I really think he should expand on a bit rather than just flippantly insinuating. That is a remarkable moral position in relation to our obligations to our children, of which I know he has some, so a more nuanced explanation is in order.
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 23, 2013 - 10:10pm PT



The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites

May 23, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
-it'd be much easier to talk an alcoholic into quitting booze.

Really. You know this from personal regular experience or are you pulling this out your arse.


Lots of personal experience, and as an ED RN--plus lots of experience with psych patients too.
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