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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Norton.

The health care issue I speak of is overseen by the State, County and Local medical services providers. CA has one of the most backwards billing/payment operations in the Union. Bar None. Again, from what I understand, each service provider has their own set of rules here in CA. They are not mandated to follow any real set of rules. Even when they are contracted by the Govt (Tricare in my case) to do so. That system is so fked. Obamacare plugs in it's standards and makes the system that much more complicated. At least that is what the local providers billing office indicated to me just yesterday.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
A little off topic but i thought i would throw this in; Everyone here owes a debt of gratitude to The Chief and generations of his brethern before him. Without sacrifices of such men we probably wouldn't have the freedom to argue here with fellow idiots on the internet. From what i understand, The Chief lost 18 of his fellow shipmates and was himself wounded defending our beautiful country. Chief's, the highest enlisted rank in the navy, pretty much run the day to day nuts and bolts of the navy. This i know since my own Dad, god rest his soul, was a Chief Petty Officer in the navy, in combat during world war 11 and two tours in Vietnam attached to a Marine division. He, like the Chief was keenly intelligent and rightly proud of this country he defended. So guys, this memorial day when your enjoying a barbeque and beer tilt one in salute of The Chief's and the entire militaries sacrifices for this country.

Construction is going nuts up here, lots of military rotating in and out of the expanding nearby bases. Here in the valley we offer comparable homes to the nearby Anchorage suburbs for 100,000 dollars less. So i pop by here at the office every once in awhile to offer my two cents worth after quickly reviewing content.Cheers.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Damm Skippy,, Salute Chief.And ALL.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
May 23, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
Jeepers Creeper --
Stop talken about what you know, & get back on topic.
Although I like the fishen talk it's ot.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
You are unemployed

Nope. Guess again. I had 4 jobs last year. I took every opportunity I could get and ended up scraping together $30k worth. Not bad for 45 weeks of doing work I enjoy, I do okay.

How much did you work in 2012?


That is pretty harsh rSin. I personally know a few really, really good people who are veterans. A 2 tour vet of Iraq was one of the most motivated, insightful students I've had. Maybe he was just super psyched to not be there anymore.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
I will tip a couple this weekend to the service of the Chiefs,Ricks father and my own, a WWII recon marine in the pacific theater,with two purple hearts,not to mention all vets.


Fly fishing is hunting,you must fool them convincingly.Tempting them to rise is just the begining of the fun.


GEOLOGY,at this point not much ,but i volunteer doing water testing in our creeks and rivers for the nydec.


I am an emt/first responder also.I just try to do my share.I wish i could say the same about construction over here,it has finally slowed here.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
This just out from NOAA. Appears that this year is going to be waaaay BELOW the avg trend of 05-12 for tornadoes in the US.









Sorry guys. Not happening.

This latest one is no where near the force of the monster F5 that devastated Moore on May 3rd 1999. A total of 141 broke out that season alone in Oklahoma. All in one day. The perfect storm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Oklahoma_tornado_outbreak
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
You can read, right Chaff?

The most recent year with fewer tornadoes through April occurred in 2005 when 83 EF1 and stronger tornadoes were counted. Through April, 2013 stands in stark contrast to 2011 when a record number of 586 tornadoes (EF1+) were counted through the first four months of the year. Over the last decade, the January through April tornado count has shown dramatic variability. The 2nd least active period on record (52 tornadoes in 2004) and the most active on record (586 in 2011) have occurred during this time. Not including 2013, four of the 10 least active years and four of the 10 most active years, through April, have all occurred since 2002. It is not entirely clear why this variability has appeared in the tornado counts in recent years. However, given this observed variability, simple averages of tornado counts over recent years do not provide much information about expected tornado activity level from any one year to the next.

With your extensive research into climate science, you surely know that ALL GCMs PREDICT AN INCREASE IN INTERANNUAL VARIABILITY. A clear example of interannual variability is described in the paragraph above.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
^^^^That was a waste of a post Weschrispie. Stated absolutely NOTHING.^^^^

Also, any good analysis will show that more destruction is being experienced the last decade from tornadoes due to one thing. Human expansion into areas that were void prior to that time frame. NOT GCC.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iN3OpJS3ffvOYB08Zp-xeRSCmO2A?docId=CNG.041943dc452c61a507ee986061b49f2d.51

Climate change could bring less tornadoes, because while a warmer atmosphere will absorb more precipitation, causing more storms, it could also reduce the wind shear that builds storm intensity when cold and warm fronts collide.

Sorry Chief, not so simple. But thanks for playing.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^They have to substantiate that fatalism buck some how.

More people have died the last year in Syria than all the GCC confirmed related deaths. Fact. What does science have to fix that issue.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 23, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Yes, gratitude to ST's assembly of U.S. veterans.


ED works for the same government Boys Club that invented, designed and helped implement this wonderful and save the planet item. And they were not from Manhattan.








My sorrows for events of the past, Chief... but Dr Ed doesn't work for the government agency that invented, designed or implemented Fat Man/ Little Boy bombs . After preliminary efforts at the National Bureau of Standards and Office of Scientific Research and Development, those weapons were produced by the. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

I believe Ed still works for Bechtel, in contract work for the Department of Energy. (as I did in a more modest position)

Current nuclear weapons activities are administered by the National Nuclear Security Administration, semi-autonomous from the Department of Energy. (and erstwhile built weapons are subordinate to the Department of Defense.)
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
^^^^^ So it is safe to assume that the below link is a lie. Got it.^^^^^

https://www-pls.llnl.gov/?url=about_pls-scientific_staff-hartouni_e


Edward Hartouni received a B.A in physics from the University of California at Berkeley in 1976 and an M.A., M.Ph., and Ph.D. from Columbia University in 1978, 1979, and 1984, respectively. He was a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Massachusetts from 1985 to 1988 and an assistant professor there from 1985 to 1994. He joined Lawrence Livermore in 1995 as a physicist involved in high-energy physics research. In 1995 Ed Hartouni joined the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory N Division. At LLNL he became the Program Leader in the proton radiography program a collaboration with LANL. Work for this program culminated in the Scrounge-atron, a proposal to build an accelerator from existing parts at the Nevada Test Site to enable proton radiography experiments on relevant, dynamic objects. During this time period maintained an attenuated presence in basic research with the collaboration MINOS (Main Injector Neutrino OScillation) experiment at Fermilab as well as the PHENIX experiment at BNL Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) and most recently the MIPP experiment at Fermilab. Co-author over 120 refereed publications in high energy physics, radiology, accelerator science.

Ed served as N Division leader (2002-2008) and as the Deputy Associate Director for Science & Technology in the Physical and Life Sciences Directorate from 2009-2010. He is currently engaged in research in Homeland Security and in the NIC/NIF. He serves as the LLNL Point-of-Contact to the DOE/SC/HEP office.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
^^what's your point Chief, nothing there about National Nuclear Security Administration^^

The Chief neglects to mention that The Chief worked in the department that is armed by nuclear weapons.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
More people have died the last year in Syria than all the GCC confirmed related deaths. Fact. What does science have to fix that issue.


oh my god. Didn't someone just claim this guy was intelligent?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
^^^^Refute the claim Kay!^^^^^^

As I posted before LION, I have no qualms nor have I ever stated I did in doing what I did.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Thats all you got?
Really,a professor from one of the worst colleges in the u.s.a.
I know a few different guys that played hockey for UAH,there is a reason they went to that school.


With just regard for your humor, Wilbeer...U.A.H is one of the excellently regarded engineering and science institutions in the U.S. and its grads are actively recruited.

Perhaps the University of Alabama-Huntsville isn't rated as eminently as M.I.T. or Caltech. But all relevant research and innovation doesn't transpire at a handful of universities.

Of 1074 accredited engineering colleges in the U.S..UAH is rated 89th by U.S. News
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
And since Ed is not involved in nukes, I'd bet he has no qualms in what he is doing either.

Btw, Chief, I'm not mountainlion. Try to focus.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Refute what???????????????????????????????????????????????

your a nincompoop.


And the really funny thing of it is, you are the top of the pile!


Wow, that was a bit of a trip going over to the other side for a while but holy sh#t the rabbit hole of circular reasoning makes your hair fall out and gives you scabies. Who put the acid in my tea anyway?
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 23, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
After reading Ed's posts last night as well as some of the rational arguments made by others, and then seeing the responses of rick, ron and thechief, the phrase "pearls before swine" came to mind.

Not being the religious sort, I did not have a bible handy to look up the whole thing, so I found this on wiki:

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces."

I quit trying to argue with the mentally unstable and logically unhygienic blockheads like thechief, but I like reading the articles, arguments and wit of those that continue the impossible--it'd be much easier to talk an alcoholic into quitting booze.
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