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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Hey Chief

US Open this week, who do you like?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
How can you find a map that stops at 1960?

Comedy,just Comedy.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
Don't do tennis.

Only Motorbike Racing, Fly Fishing and Climbing. Kind of burnt on the Climbing gig.

Just for you BEERGUT!

Again KMAN, Central and SO CAL. Read and Weap. Same goes for Gary Schenk. Look at the AVG Precip for the SO SIERRA.



Monolith, this year isn't even half way done and already the sky has fallen and world is over for you all.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Getting better, only 23 years old. How about this year?

I'll let you go June to June, to cover the contiguous wet period, like a lot of meteorologists do.

If the data aint out, what the hell are you trying to prove? That you are not that bright?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Where in the hell do you think i got it Wilbeer? The Chiefs map is what you would call climate history, it is something you should study sometime-memory, whether in mind or print, is relevant when you are pointing to "climate change symptoms".
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Quite interesting how you all base your Fallacy on 180 years of "Recorded History". All the fabricated propaganda verbiage is so nice. "Recorded History" NEVER BEFORE. The rest of the planets history is completely moot. Of course it is. CUS it doesn't coincide with your agenda.

What a crock of shet.

If the data aint out, what the hell are you trying to prove?

Exactly! Yur the one claiming the drought. That the world is over and you all will be taking sponge baths for the rest of your time here in CALI.

2/5ths to almost 1/2 of the State of CA Precip AVG is less than 10".
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/world-getting-warmer-faster-expected-132734289.html

The world is getting warmer faster than anticipated. A new report from the International Energy Agency says global temperatures will rise twice as fast as projected if countries don't act to slash their admissions soon. Released this morning, the IEA report shows carbon diaoxide from energy emissions rose 1.4 percent globally last year, a new record, and puts the world on pace for a 5.3 degree Celsius (9 degrees Fahrenheit) rise in global temperatures by 2020. In 2010, a UN summit agreed the goal would be to limit the rise in global temperatures to 2 degrees by 2020.

"This puts us on a difficult and dangerous trajectory," IEA chief economist Fatih Birol said in her statement. "If we don’t do anything between now and 2020, it will be very difficult because there will be a lot of carbon already in the atmosphere and the energy infrastructure will be locked in."

So, who are the culprits most responsible for the world's bad record so far? China and Japan are two big culprits. They saw 3.8 and 5.8 percent rises in emissions, respectively. Countries in the Middle East were also singled out. Amazingly, the U.S. earned a gold star for their work, per The Washington Post:
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Knotts, I claim it's a low snow/water content season in the Sierras.

You're the one claiming the data is not out there. Dude, it's June, the data for the just ended wet season is out there.

Now prove me wrong. Your maps are hilarious.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/interactive/html/map.html?ql=station&zoom=&loc=39.069+N%2C+117.698+W&


This shows you SNOW PACK AND HISTORY
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
The world is getting warmer faster than anticipated. A new report from the International Energy Agency says global temperatures will rise twice as fast as projected if countries don't act to slash their admissions soon. Released this morning, the IEA report shows carbon diaoxide from energy emissions rose 1.4 percent globally last year, a new record, and puts the world on pace for a 5.3 degree Celsius (9 degrees Fahrenheit) rise in global temperatures by 2020.

The above is based on all them models. If what they say is true, then that means the avg global temps have to rise some 5.3C in SEVEN YEARS. The temps haven't even risen 1/2 that in the past 120 years.


Sorry TOM, but the OBSERVED DATA says different. The MODELS are bogus. Fail.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
So you say global warming has stalled?
So you say global warming has stalled?
Credit: monolith
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
“How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic,” a series by Coby Beck
from http://grist.org/series/skeptics/

Levels of Sophistication

Silly

There is no evidence
Global warming is a hoax
One record year is not global warming
Climate change mitigation would lead to disaster
Mars and Pluto are warming too
Mauna Loa is a volcano

Naive

One hundred years is not enough
Glaciers have always grown and receded
Why should the U.S. join Kyoto when China and India haven’t?
It’s cold today in Wagga Wagga
CO2 in the air comes mostly from volcanoes
We can’t even predict the weather next week
We can not trust unproven computer models
The satellites show cooling
Natural emissions dwarf human emissions
The models don’t have clouds
Global warming stopped in 1998
It’s the sun, stupid
If we can’t understand the past, how can we understand the present?
The scientists aren’t even sure
Vineland was full of grapes
Some sites show cooling

Specious

The temperature record is simply unreliable
Climate scientists dodge the subject of water vapor
There is no proof that CO2 is causing global warming
Current global warming is just part of a natural cycle
It was warmer during the Holocene Climatic Optimum
The medieval warm period was just as warm as today
What’s wrong with warmer weather?
Kyoto is a big effort for almost nothing
CO2 doesn’t lead, it lags
There is no consensus
Antarctic ice is growing
Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect
Greenland used to be green
What about mid-century cooling?
The null hypothesis says global warming is natural
Geological history does not support CO2′s importance
Climate is always changing
Global warming is nothing new!
The CO2 rise is natural
Historically, CO2 never caused temperature change
Hansen has been wrong before
Position statements hide debate
But the glaciers are not melting
If aerosols are blocking the sun, the south should warm faster
Antarctic sea ice is increasing
Consensus is collusion
They predicted global cooling in the 1970s
Peiser refuted Oreskes
Vineland was full of grapes

Scientific

Water vapor accounts for almost all of the greenhouse effect
Chaotic systems are not predictable
The hockey stick is broken
Observations show climate sensitivity is not very high
Sea level in the Arctic is falling
We are just recovering from the LIA
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
YUP! From 1999 on. But of course you can't read so. GO figure.


MALMUT.

From the site you pulled your totally UNBIASED BS off of.

Grist has been dishing out environmental news and commentary with a wry twist since 1999 — which, to be frank, was way before most people cared about such things. Now that green is in every headline and on every store shelf (bamboo hair gel, anyone?), Grist is the one site you can count on to help you make sense of it all.

At Grist, we take our work seriously, but we don’t take ourselves too seriously. Because of the many things this planet is running out of, sanctimonious tree-huggers ain’t one of them.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
http://woodfortrees.org/


really


Definitely not NASA
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 10, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Hey, Chief, I saw the sun rise in the east this morning.
WBraun

climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
The sun always rises in the east.

It's the Absolute Truth.

The lab coats say there's no absolute truth.

But every day it rises.

The lab coats will then try tricks and say it rises a few minutes earlier or later or degrees left or right.

This how the lab coats tax their brains until they explode ......

WBraun

climber
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:00am PT
I never said the lab coats are trying to fool anyone.

YOU DID.

YOU have just been caught in your usual stupid projection that you do every time here.

The "tricks" are what they use to deny the existence of the absolute truth.

Your brain is stupid ......
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Good find Ed ,and soon to be hot off the press.Just glanced through it, but it appears to be science as it should be-just the facts according to their sampling and handling of the data. Will print the whole thing off and read it on my long flight tomorrow. At minimum a good regional reconstruction off solid proxy data that everyone here should read.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:32am PT
The truth is all this GCC/AGW stuff doesn't matter. The planet will do as it wishes and how it wants to play out it's game according to it's rules. Not ours. We are just visitors for a very short time. Just like all them other millions of species that have come and gone long before we showed up. We are not as special as we think we are. Human thinking called science says we are. That is the ego talking. Not reality. Not the truth. The Universe will continue to prevail. All according to it's infinite rules. The rules that science states it understands. But the reality is, it doesn't. Never will. The Universe changes far to quickly for man to keep up with. That is the truth. The chaos of the Universe is unchangeable. Nothing can change the constant dynamic change of the Universe. Nothing.



How was LPP Gary. I notice you took the descent choss pile gully as you ascent route. Why not the NR? Did you notice the CA Precip % I posted Gary. 20-40" annually for the SO SIERRA.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 11, 2013 - 12:44am PT
BRUCE.

You "predictions" are NOT fairing to well. Not one bit. They are off by almost 200% from the reality.
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