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monolith
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SF bay area
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Not at all.
Do you know how an average is calculated?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Wipneus calculated the average from the piomas data, Chief. Chiloe used specific dates from the pimas data.
Look closely at the bottom of your charts.
Then check the title:
PIOMAS Monthly Average Arctic Ice Volume.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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They give the August numbers in the commentary, so you can bet the data is available for download.
Look at the Data link. Their data can be downloaded and you can graph it at will.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Larry Hamiltons CHARTS are fabricated bullshet that are NOT accurate. NOT ONE BIT!!!
Larry's Charts are "approximations".
Rick Poedtke is posting false accusations on the Internet, again.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Hey Chief, all of August is available, look at the date in their graph:
Last Day: 2013-8-31
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Well if it is all proliferation,what the hell do you call what you spray?
What is the matter ,didnt like Kentiucky?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Chief, that last graph was to show you that the full month of August data is available, which you claimed otherwise, then claimed Chiloe was making it up.
Also, note the Average in the title of the graphs you posted. That should give you a clue that it is an Average.
PIOMAS Monthly Average Arctic Ice Volume
Now check Chiloe's graph titles to see he is using a specific date for this year and the monthly minimums for last year up to 8/25/2012.
Thanks for posting the Wipneus graph. Very interesting.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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I never claimed that, Chief.
It was just to show you the data for August was available, despite your claim it was not, and then accusing Chiloe of making it up.
Here is my post:
Hey Chief, all of August is available, look at the date in their graph:
Last Day: 2013-8-31
Chiloe's graph titles are very clear. Do you need some help with them?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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The silver lining for Chief: his blithering idiot demo has gone off without a hitch.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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You can still use the data, it comes from piomas. You should get right on it.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Chief, get the csv files and make your own plot. It s not that hard for the average middle schooler.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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We know you don't have the skills.
You are making the claim, so get right on it.
Here's a clue: You can use a spreadsheet program.
You can even use an editor and examine the data on 8/31 of each year.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:16am PT
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But, Ed. You're a damn elitist, as proven by your actual examination of the data. We can't have that!
BTW I think The Chief has been slumming again over on Goddard's blog.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:23am PT
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^^^Wrong Chief, the first group of data Ed gave matches up perfectly with this graph^^^
Er, um Chief, what time zone do you think Chiloe is in?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:41am PT
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The charts say the data comes from PIOMAS. We told you how to download the data.
Do you really think Chiloe was faking the data now after Ed's post?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:55am PT
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Call the APL at the UW in the AM if you're still convinced if there is a conspiracy...I'm sure they'd love to talk about their work.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Sep 10, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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The science is what it is. You keep wasting time with your view of that reality but your other main focus is on changing human behavior. I agree that is hard to do and that actions like higher consumption taxes are unpopular. But that doesnt change the data on polar ice volumes no matter how loud you yell.
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