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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Don't you ever have moments when you think there might be new frontiers out there, new knowledge to be learned, more refined and detailed explanations of the natural physical world yet to be discovered? Boxing yourself in within this anthropogenic theory's confines could be a foolish mistake.

Bruce- were waiting. You said previously that you liked the policy side.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Don't you ever have moments when you think there might be new frontiers out there, new knowledge to be learned, more refined and detailed explanations of the natural physical world yet to be discovered?

Why the f*#k do you think people become scientists? And who do you think is exploring those frontiers?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Gill pointed out that if all anthropogenic emissions immediately ceased the impact would be virtually non existent

Sounds like Rick is finally accepting the CO2 connection.

Since immediate cease of emissions is impossible, reduction policies are important.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Sociology is not a science?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Then he is a scientist.

Sociology has an important role in this problem, since humans will need to be convinced and humans will decide and implement solutions.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Yes Bruce, large scale development of hydro in your native B.C. would be a good start but never allowed by the enviro community. You would see a shet storm of lawsuits. And even if all CO2 emissions immediately ceased I've heard tell the temps would only be reduced a small fraction of a degree. So, what to you? Come on guys, come out and tell us.

Is physics done, are all mathematics problems described and solved?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Then climate change isn't happening.

Good news, Ron.

Do you understand the difference between weather and climate?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Is there a difference between weather and climate?

We see that the weather changes all the time and the climate change scare freaks demand we believe that the climate is changing so 'NO', there is no difference between climate and weather. Both change.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Obviously not.

I still don't get why these guys rail so hard against a cause that - even if wrong - would be our best shot at independence from foreign oil. Oh yeah, it's because they are dumbly following the pied piper of big oil! At the same time imagining some huge science conspiracy funding those dastardly greenies. The powers that be are actually aligned around the petro complex. Some of you have served as its lackies and still don't get it. Dummies!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
You're just flat out wrong, Dave.

Weather is what happens right now. Climate refers to overall trends.

I swear, I'm trying to be a nice person.

It's simply difficult, given the attitudes of people that think everything is ok.

All this negativity, why?

Why not listen objectively?

I listen to your arguments objectively.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Weather and Climate change at far different rates, Dave.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Ah step 4 - my cause is holier than thou.

Beautiful Dingus! My, how shifty are those in denial.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
KMAN, I got ten bucks says you smoked cigs. In fact if you did, that answers everything.


Nope, never was a smoker. You can PayPal me the $10, if you're a man of your word.



However, in lieu of sending me $10, please describe to me how my having had cancer answers anything in regards to your asinine premise that science has done nothing to help cancer patients.

Of all the dumb things you've said, that one in particular is a doozy.


In reality, I have no expectation that you will 1) send me $10, or 2) address your silly claim. More than likely, you will shift away from the subject altogether. But that's OK, we all already know how foolish you, a grown man, can be.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
It just proves he's a dick who doesn't get anything, really. An angry, obsessive little man.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
Ok Bruce, lets have a talk about temp increase and CO2. It is generally agreed that the anthropogenic CO2 contribution is 3-6% percent of the atmospheric content. So, where is the other 94-97% percent coming from? There has been a fair amount of work done on samplings from ice cores, lake and ocean sediments, tree rings, etc etc. That work has revealed a lag between CO2 increase and temp increase. One of those nagging problems of the CAGW camp. Despite their best efforts, the mainstream science still shows temp increases first followed by CO2 increase. Of course, some will cite a paper here or there, but the overwhelming body of work shows what I have said above. So, does it not follow that if you want to reduce CO2 levels the best way to do so is to decrease temps. Fortunately we do have on the shelf technology to accomplish this. The oceans can be fertilized with iron to increase biotic production of DMS which stimulates cloud production and reflects more sunlight, or stimulate terrestrial plant which increased atmospheric CO2 content does naturally-by some estimates currently increased 10-12%. Another method is to introduce reflective aerosols into the troposphere via small reconfigurations of jet engines on the commercial, military and passenger fleets-yes the dreaded chem trails. Still another is to allow or expand particulate pollution as China is now doing. All this can be accomplished at a tiny fraction of the cost of a ruinous carbon tax. But then again, why do it if CO2 follows temp increase- is it not natural? Did you look into information on the current solar cycle 24 and the predictions ( which are following closely Livingston and Penns work) for forthcoming cycles?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
There are simple answers to your questions, Rick. You should pursue them.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Bruce I am sorry you cower in self enforced ignorance. There is a tremendous amount of information out there, many, many peer reviewed research papers. Though some of it is highly technical mathematics, most of it includes verbal explanation that is easily understood. You owe it to yourself to try to self educate before you launch criticism and impugn the motives of others.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Hateful, disrespectful responses are only hurting your credibility, Chief


Edit; Were you ever considered credible before you started hurling childish words, or have you always just been someone who throws tantrums? Most of us grew out of that phase when we were around three years old.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Really? When have I ever thrown expletives at you?

Lets get it back on topic.

Climate change is real. Ignoring this is a detriment to all of humanity, as those who deny this simple fact stall proposed regulations that try to help counter our negative affect on our environment.

Why shouldn't we try to be stewards of our beautiful world, rather than pillagers?
dirtbag

climber
Aug 6, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
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