abrams
Sport climber
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healyje - well ok that seems like a good point but since most of the planet is covered in unfathomably deep ooze a lot like this it could be said we are just mimicking nature. The Earth is our best teacher.
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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it could be said we are just mimicking nature.
Some would consider this tantamount to playing god, but of course we are no less a part of nature than god is so I don't see the sense in that. I think what you are saying is that "we" are becoming a dominant / significant force in nature. So dominant that we are capable of changing the earths climate. The rate of change is quickening to the point of comparing it to a slow motion meteor impact.
Is that what you mean? And what exactly is this ooze that you speak of?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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The Earth is our best teacher.
The Earth is gonna bust our/yower balls. It's gonna be an ouwee wowee lesson! You won't know if you're and innie or an outtie!
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abrams
Sport climber
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exactly mchale! Nature and the processes it governs is all about ball busting. eat or be eaten etc. and human civilization has taken full advantage of this tried and true way of life.
bruce -ooze -sea floor mud- 60% of the Earth where feces and dead animals rain from the sky non stop.
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
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Feb 17, 2013 - 10:33am PT
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HOUSE SCIENCE COMMITTEE QUESTIONS EXISTENCE OF METEORS
Posted by Andy Borowitz
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology said today that the committee would hold hearings next week “to settle the question, once and for all, of whether meteors exist.”
“The media has been in something of a frenzy recently on this whole topic of meteors,” said chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas). “I think it’s irresponsible of them to frighten the public about something that, at the end of the day, may be about as real as unicorns.”
Rep. Smith said that he had seen recent reports of the “so-called Russian meteor” of last week, but added, “Maybe it’s the scientific skeptic in me, but this ‘meteor’ may just have been a bunch of fireworks that some Siberian fellow set off after drinking a little too much Stoli. It is winter, after all, and that’s how those folks keep warm.”
The Texas congressman said that he and other meteor doubters are worried that scientists had “a vested interest” in convincing people that meteors are real: “They want the government to spend more money on science, and, let me tell you, that is the last thing the Science Committee is going to do.”
As for the scientific theory that meteors may have killed the dinosaurs, Rep. Smith chuckled, “That theory would also have us believe that there were dinosaurs.”
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Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/02/house-science-committee-questions-existence-of-meteors.html#ixzz2LBO1c8sX
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 17, 2013 - 11:05am PT
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Smith is from the same state as that other jack-ass , Bush is...How much longer will these regressive lobbyist for stupidity be allowed to govern...?
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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Sh#t, Now we need a right to bear telescopes.
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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Some would consider this tantamount to playing god, but of course we are no less a part of nature than god is so I don't see the sense in that. I think what you are saying is that "we" are becoming a dominant / significant force in nature. So dominant that we are capable of changing the earths climate.
Stromatolites changed the climate, right? So did / does all other life.
Its the rate of change that's different - we seem to be the extinction equivalent of the kp boundary.
DMT
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 17, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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Dammit Dingus...mathematical and scientific concepts have no place in a conversation like this.
hell we are flirting with calculus here....
Damn liberal elitist crazy talk
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Feb 17, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
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meteor doubters,
i am really out of touch
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Dr. F.
Big Wall climber
SoCal
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Feb 17, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
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The Planetary Crisis of Climate Change is Not Political... It's Physics
by Bernie Sanders
Published on Saturday, February 16, 2013 by Common Dreams
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/02/16-11
I fear very much that our children, grandchildren and great- grandchildren are going to look back on this period in history and ask a very simple question: Where were they? Why didn’t the United States of America, the most powerful nation on earth, lead the international community in cutting greenhouse gas emissions and preventing the devastating damage that the scientific community was sure would come?
Let me be very clear. The issue that we are dealing with today is not political. It has nothing to do with Democrats, Republicans, Independents and all of the political squabbling we see here every day. It has everything to do with physics. The leading scientists in the world who study climate change now tell us that their projections in the past were wrong. That, in fact, the crisis facing our planet is much more serious than they had previously believed. They now tell us that if we continue along our merry path, where 12 out of the last 15 years were the warmest on record, and take no decisive action in transforming our energy system and cutting greenhouse gas emissions, this planet could be 8 degrees Fahrenheit or more warmer than is currently the case.
And what would that mean to planet Earth? It would mean sea levels rising by 3 to 6 feet which would flood cities like New Orleans, or Boston, or Miami – making them uninhabitable. And this would be true for coastal communities all over the world. It would mean that every year we would see more and more extreme weather disturbances, like Hurricanes Irene and Sandy - costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year and resulting in devastating blows to our economy and productive capabilities.
We would see the price of food rising, because crops in the United States and around the world would be unable to grow in temperatures substantially higher than they are right now. It would mean greater threats of war and international instability because hungry and thirsty people would be fighting for limited resources. It would mean more disease and unnecessary deaths.
The legislation (pdf) that Senator Boxer and I introduced this week with the support of some of the leading environmental organizations in the country can actually address the crisis and does what has to be done to protect the planet. It can reverse greenhouse gas emissions in a significant way. It can create millions of jobs as we transform our energy system away from fossil fuel and into energy efficiency and such sustainably energies as wind, solar, geothermal and biomass.
A major focus of this legislation is a price on carbon and methane emissions. This fee on the largest fossil fuel polluters affects less than 3,000 entities nationwide but covers 85 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions according to the Congressional Research Service. This legislation ends the fossil fuel subsidies, and protects communities by requiring that fracking operations comply with the Safe Drinking Water Act and disclose chemicals they use.
To protect families from fossil fuel companies jacking up prices, 60 percent of the carbon fee revenue will be rebated, per capita, to every legal U.S. resident.
To protect U.S. manufacturers, this legislation includes a border fee on imported fuels and products, unless the nation shipping them already has their own similar carbon price. That ensures a level playing field for U.S. businesses, while creating an incentive for international cooperation.
To transform our energy system, this legislation makes the boldest ever investment in energy efficiency and sustainable energy. That includes weatherizing 1 million homes a year as President Obama called for previously. It means tripling the budget for ARPA-E to do advanced research, and investing hundreds of billions through incentives and a public-private Sustainable Technologies Fund focusing on energy efficiency, solar and wind and geothermal and biomass, and clean transportation technology. We also provide funds to train workers for jobs in the sustainable energy economy. We provide funds to help communities become resilient in the face of extreme weather, and we pay down the debt by roughly $300 billion over ten years.
We have the opportunity right now, with the President’s commitment in the State of the Union, to make progress. The President can and must use his authority to cut down on power plant pollution, and reject the dangerous Keystone XL project. But he cannot give up on a comprehensive legislative solution, and neither can we. We will never fully deal with this crisis until Congress passes strong legislation. Senator Boxer and I are going to fight as hard as we can to do that, and we will work to rally support from American families all across this country that care deeply about their children and grandchildren’s future, and want to protect them from this planetary crisis.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 18, 2013 - 09:40am PT
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Our politicians have become special interest lobbyist for big bussiness putting the needs of their sponsors before the needs of the environment and voters...This is pure madness and another train wreck in the making...Of course the tax payers will be the ones asked to bail out these companies when the business models back fire....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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But United States is not helping because well meaning Clean Air Act regulations demand our own clean coal electricity power plants scrubber sulfur gas from the 360 smoke stacks which stop the horror of acid rain drops. Ironic.
good point!
let's get rid of them pesky "clean air regulations"
and another good reason for doing so would increase the profits of the owners of the coal power plants cause they wouldn't have pay for none of that well meaning filtration stuff
they would be so grateful for the extra income they might hire an extra gardener!
stupid government, always trying to make life safer and healthier for people, dumb
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abrams
Sport climber
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Mar 22, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
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Removing salt from ocean water to green deserts is crazy expensive.
Simpler to just divert big rivers.
China see's the wisdom of big diversion projects.
and regret the fate of the River Yangtze, which, according to their forecasts, will dry up in 30 years. (due to diverting its water northward)
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012/01/12/63753961/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 31, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
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TGT.....The fleas died for your neo-conservsative idealology...Shame on you...
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