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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 11:49am PT
gamarnin Ed ,, and ALL! Yur obviously intelligent Ed as yur office clutter is a strong indicator a clean office equals a mind elsewhere. !


It is good to see you throw some more refuting up, however that doesnt change the fact that the Fauna that was such a poster child of global warming is digging this non pollutant CO2.. Perhaps its just that they havent read the latest "studies". The correlations of Co2 to global warming are still the mystery they were at the start.





By WILLIAM HAPPER

During a fundraiser in Atlanta earlier this month, President Obama is reported to have said: "It gets you a little nervous about what is happening to global temperatures. When it is 75 degrees in Chicago in the beginning of March, you start thinking. On the other hand, I really have enjoyed nice weather."

What is happening to global temperatures in reality? The answer is: almost nothing for more than 10 years. Monthly values of the global temperature anomaly of the lower atmosphere, compiled at the University of Alabama from NASA satellite data, can be found at the website http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/. The latest (February 2012) monthly global temperature anomaly for the lower atmosphere was minus 0.12 degrees Celsius, slightly less than the average since the satellite record of temperatures began in 1979.

The lack of any statistically significant warming for over a decade has made it more difficult for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and its supporters to demonize the atmospheric gas CO2 which is released when fossil fuels are burned. The burning of fossil fuels has been one reason for an increase of CO2 levels in the atmosphere to around 395 ppm (or parts per million), up from preindustrial levels of about 280 ppm.

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CO2 is not a pollutant. Life on earth flourished for hundreds of millions of years at much higher CO2 levels than we see today. Increasing CO2 levels will be a net benefit because cultivated plants grow better and are more resistant to drought at higher CO2 levels, and because warming and other supposedly harmful effects of CO2 have been greatly exaggerated. Nations with affordable energy from fossil fuels are more prosperous and healthy than those without.

The direct warming due to doubling CO2 levels in the atmosphere can be calculated to cause a warming of about one degree Celsius. The IPCC computer models predict a much larger warming, three degrees Celsius or even more, because they assume changes in water vapor or clouds that supposedly amplify the direct warming from CO2. Many lines of observational evidence suggest that this "positive feedback" also has been greatly exaggerated.

There has indeed been some warming, perhaps about 0.8 degrees Celsius, since the end of the so-called Little Ice Age in the early 1800s. Some of that warming has probably come from increased amounts of CO2, but the timing of the warming—much of it before CO2 levels had increased appreciably—suggests that a substantial fraction of the warming is from natural causes that have nothing to do with mankind.

Frustrated by the lack of computer-predicted warming over the past decade, some IPCC supporters have been claiming that "extreme weather" has become more common because of more CO2. But there is no hard evidence this is true. After an unusually cold winter in 2011 (December 2010-February 2011) the winter of 2012 was unusually warm in the continental United States. But the winter of 2012 was bitter in Europe, Asia and Alaska.

Weather conditions similar to 2012 occurred in the winter of 1942, when the U.S. Midwest was unusually warm, and when the Wehrmacht encountered the formidable forces of "General Frost" in a Russian winter not unlike the one Russians just had.

Large fluctuations from warm to cold winters have been the rule for the U.S., as one can see from records kept by the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA. For example, the winters of 1932 and 1934 were as warm as or warmer than the 2011-2012 one and the winter of 1936 was much colder.

Nightly television pictures of the tragic destruction from tornadoes over the past months might make one wonder if the frequency of tornadoes is increasing, perhaps due to the increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. But as one can read at Andrew Revkin's New York Times blog, dotearth, "There is no evidence of any trend in the number of potent tornadoes (category F2 and up) over the past 50 years in the United States, even as global temperatures have risen markedly."

Like winter temperatures, the numbers, severity and geographical locations of tornadoes fluctuate from year-to-year in ways that are correlated with the complicated fluid flow patterns of the oceans and atmosphere, the location of the jet stream, El Niño or La Niña conditions of the tropical Pacific Oceans, etc.

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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 11:55am PT
And William Happer really knows how to survive in modern day North Carolina:

In February 2009 Happer testified before the U.S. Congress, "I believe that the increase of CO2 is not a cause for alarm and will be good for mankind", for among other reasons because of its beneficial effects on plant growth.[9]
Happer was listed as a signer of the petition of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, no later than 2000,[10] and Cato Institute's 2009 letter.[11] With Fred Singer, Harold Lewis, Robert Austin, Larry Gould, and Roger Cohen, Happer led[12] the 2009 petition [13] to the American Physical Society to change its position statement on climate change. The petition was signed by a few hundred of the 47,000 members and was rejected.[14]
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Thats all you got?
Really,a professor from one of the worst colleges in the u.s.a.
I know a few different guys that played hockey for UAH,there is a reason they went to that school.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Yes Happer was ignored for a while not so much now,, since ALL the fuana is falling IN LINE with what he stated...And thus far,, THAT is the only SOLID proof of CO2 effects and they arent bad. In addition his observations of past weather trends is accurate.




edit : and reading your study clips posted, i see continually the words: possibly, uncertainties and ifs..
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
I know a few different guys that played hockey for UAH,there is a reason they went to that school.

Bias are you? Sounds like a good crowd of college educated friends ya got and run with. What was their major? Something in the same line as yours. BA in UBW. Thought so. Thanks for he admission Wilbeer.

Edit.

WILBEER!!

WTF are you doing buying and using CHINESE FOSSIL FUEL C02 emitting manufactured crap!


Oh the hypocrisy of it all.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
What was their major? Something in the same line as yours.


ha ha! Good one. If you majored in ACTION like me and greater Rick you'd get it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 23, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
The Chief complains about Ed working in the sector that also designs nukes, but neglects to mention that The Chief worked in a sector that is armed by nukes.

To quote The Chief: Oh the hypocrisy of it all!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
as I said, verification and validation are a bitch... talk is cheap.

You "verified and validated" what? Your perceptions of what you thought I meant. Nope. Sorry. Try again ED. Just cus your shet is a mess doesn't invalidate my claim of your freaking out when things are out of order. Your order of mess. Try again.

edit.


The Chief complains about Ed working in the sector that designs the A-Bombs, but forgets that he worked in a sector that employs them.

Ah, I'm not one of you guys. I admit and am proud of it. As you should be for all those Brothers and Sisters throughout our history that gave their all so that you could have and state your opinion/s freely.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Me too. Gotta go slay a few pitches with my Kestrel 3000.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Wow chef ,you hurt my feeling.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
but what your calling validation is in itself riddled with "possibles".


Now what we know for sure, is that: Polar bears , penguins, owls, and reef fish are partying down. We also know CO2 is a life elixir. We know that life has lived in much higher CO2 and survived GREAT fluctuations of CO2. Weve SEEN through core sampling the fact that the artic ice shrank in times when CO2 was FAR LESS. Those are "knowns"..
and none of those knowns fall in line with GW doomsdayers..

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
What you dont like steelhead?

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
slay a few pitches with my Kestrel 3000.

You like it?

Edit.

What you dont like steelhead?

Love steelhead. Hate the fact that SAGE manu's their reels in China. As should you. Purchasing and then using it endorses how the Chinese blow tons of crap into the atmosphere. Walk the talk dude.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
i thought steelie too, but then the Cheif,, could be a male rainbow..
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
Pay the extra bucks WILBEER and buy Local for gods sake. Walk the talk in all you do. Not just a bit here and there.

That is the biggest bitch I have about so many of you pro GCCers.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Chef,the rod and reel are my big lake/streamer set up,i won the pos at a local gun club.

I only buy ,penn reels,st.croix rods.

Walking.

Lake Ontario run Steelhead.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Modern Science at work.

Figuring out how sh#t works is the science.

Actually doing it is engineering.

Allowing huge corporations to fuk the food supply to make a profit is capitalism.

Science and engineering aren't the problem. Profit motives are.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Good excuse/s. Just grand! Science did all the work. Engineers just implement what science produced for the companies. Dah!


WILBEER.

Just cus you won em don't mean you gotta use em. Walk the talk in all.

BUAER AND SCOTT all the way. Both handmade right here. Also a small hand made reel manu dude outta NC, Appalachian Extreme. Won't find em on the web. He only deals privately and on occasion on Ebay through an Ebay middleman.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Those quotes of Trenberths were all from the same statement Ed. If the statement supported your representation of cherry picking you would have posted it. You disappoint me, i like scientists, i have 3 in my family, all my kids have science degrees, but you Ed have misrepresented who you are. You are wholly owned by CAGW as your line of research and application is dependent on the demise of our current energy industry with substitution of "alternative energy" and the "neccessary Skyrocketing" of costs which will be imposed on the working people. Exponentially magnified hypocricy is what you speak,my ignorant self now knows.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Yeah Rick,tell us how your so worried about us working people.





Chef,nice looking reel
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