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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 10:05am PT
I wish the climate would change,I am rained out ,two days in a row.

Dick,i am nobody's little brother.I am a deadender,way better than you, a narcissistic douche bag.

Way to make their brains hurt,Ed.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 10:08am PT
That was no movie. That was my life for thirty years.




Oooooo! Another one:

History is not a constant


You guys think about that.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 23, 2013 - 10:13am PT
slab dyno!
new world order2

climber
May 23, 2013 - 10:38am PT
Ed H. ..... What are your thoughts on GMO food/Monsanto, and fluoride in drinking water, please?

And if you care to, your thoughts on geo-engineering?

Anyone else care to offer their opinion?

Portland (just this week) voted to have fluoride removed from their water, as did Calgary a few years ago.
Some folks are waking up, to the poison that is fluoride.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 11:00am PT
lots of opinion here


http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1913365&msg=2004759#msg2004759


report back when you're done.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Anyone else care to offer their opinion? (GMO FOOD ENGINEERING)

Modern Science at work. Wonderful isn't it. The Obama Administration endorses Monsanto in the progress of this science.

Obama signs 'Monsanto Protection Act' written by Monsanto-sponsored senator

On Tuesday, Pres. Obama inked his name to H.R. 933, a continuing resolution spending bill approved in Congress days earlier. Buried 78 pages within the bill exists a provision that grossly protects biotech corporations such as the Missouri-based Monsanto Company from litigation.

One year could be all it takes to cause catastrophic damage to the environment by allowing laboratory-produced organisms to be planted into the earth without oversight. Under the Monsanto Protection Act, health concerns that arise in the immediate future involving the planting of GMO crops won’t be able to be heard by a judge.


http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-bill-blunt-agriculture-006/


Just wonderful what modern science is doing. And you GCC Freaks are worried about what is gonna happen in 1-200 years.








10 bucks says ED, DRF and Chiloe do the same but will not admit to it here.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 11:11am PT
10 bucks says ED, DRF and Chiloe do the same but will not admit to it here.


I'll take you on here Chief for the sake of tribal unity. But to be clear, are we betting that they ink their name to the thing and if they never admit it, will I owe you?
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 11:12am PT
No. It all follows "it's" physical laws. There are no "wants" in physics.

I fixed it for you.

Those laws are of the Universe. Not of mankind. Science is merely a human interpretation of a very minute fraction of those laws. Human interpretation. Don't for one moment believe that interpretation is gospel according to the Universe. It isn't. Just you. Ego.



rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 11:13am PT
After Ed's late night document dump it leaves me wondering what is his motive? He says he does not directly work in the climate science field. Is he just an innocent egghead following the data with absolute scientific purity, free of the bias afflicting much of mankind, to a conclusion with clarity beyond question or has this multi trillion dollar doomsday cult taken over the bureaucracy to the point that government scientists, regardless of their remoteness to climate science and the extent of their illusion of independance, fear for their jobs in questioning the machine, sometimes to the point of desperately trying to reinforce its fallacies.I can tell you this with certainty; the high preist Trenberth is all over the board with his statements and only under the 'high' of the circular reinforcement logic of his most ardent admirers does he go out on the shaky limb of full endorsement. For any of you whose minds are still open i invite you to go back to my post of last evening and open and carefully read Trenberths two statements-this is him during moments of conscience.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 11:16am PT
After Ed's late night document dump it leaves me wondering what is his motive?

You do of course know and understand where and what he does for a profession do you not Rick?

"Alternative Energy Trillion dollar Industry" juggle your senses?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 11:19am PT
Listen to your betters Rick. Other Rick is on it like we will never be.

Ed works for Solyndra.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 11:24am PT
So thats what an Ivory Tower looks like! No wonder my daughter can be such a high and mighty B@#$TCH.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 11:31am PT
I never once stated you were "neat" nor orderly ED. Not once. Just that you most likely freak out when things are out of their place. Perfect example of the perception issue. Clearly proving my point.

As far as your "total solar irradiance post", that is just a perception of science. Anything can happen. Putting a cease on what the Sun can and can not do is so self standing. All it takes once. Just once. And the show is completely shut down and all over. It can happen. For your brigade to come out and state that it will not, is far worse denialism than any anti-GCC could ever scream. Regardless the researched "history".
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 11:35am PT
ok, i didn't know that Chief. Now it makes perfect sense-motive greed. Below is a link to Roy Spencer's paper after they addressed the critics. Conclusion is the same and even Trenberth admits, when he speaks his conscience, that the science has many many unknowns and the models diverge grossly from reality.Ed mentioned this paper had been refuted, what he didn't say is that it had been reworked to answer any legitimate crtiques.

http://www.bing.com./search?=on+the+misdiagnosis+of+surface+temperatures+feedbacks+frc
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Ed your a goddamned hypocrite,get a degree of dignity back and recuse yourself from this discussion. You are wholly owned by the CAGW radicals.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 11:40am PT
ED works for the same government Boys Club that invented, designed and helped implement this wonderful and save the planet item. And they were not from Manhattan.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Here is a sentence from Trenberths article," Focusing on the wiggles and ignoring the bigger picture of unabated warming is foolhardy, but one promoted by climate change deniers."

Not taken out of context.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 11:43am PT
These beauties had it tops at the Mann from '33-56.


um Chief?

while magnificent, HRD/Vincent hardly ruled the Island

that title was held by the Norton Manx, sorry
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Spencer, a University of Alabama, Huntsville, climatologist, and his colleagues have a history of making serious technical errors in their effort to cast doubt on the seriousness of climate change.

You mean kinda like all them 'error" adjustments that the IPCC continues to do in their temperature models? Ironic. Nope. Just science at work. That is how science works is it not ED?

EDIT:

I stand corrected Norton. Good post!

But it, the HRD Vincent still held the Land Speed record for some nine years.

The Black Lightning was a Vincent motorcycle designed and built in September 1948 at the Vincent works in Great North Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, UK, and produced from 1948 to 1952. At the time the Black Lightning was the fastest production motorcycle in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Black_Lightning
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 23, 2013 - 11:46am PT
As far as your "total solar irradiance post", that is just a perception of science. Anything can happen. Putting a cease on what the Sun can and can not do is so self standing. All it takes once. Just once. And the show is completely shut down and all over. It can happen. For your brigade to come out and state that it will not, is far worse denialism than any anti-GCC could ever scream. Regardless the researched "history".


Absolutely correct. The fact that the sun does not have a history of blowing up does not negate the possibility - nay, the likelyhood - that it will.

This is the lesson that me and Greater Rick tell our children. Which perhaps explains their messy rooms and cutting fetishes.
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