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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
Most of them are Ed, in a different sort of way. People who have pets and allow them a measure of freedom sense this. Anyway, I've had a lengthy excerpt of Mr. Johnson's, shall we say work, since my education session over black radiation with you some months back. I spared the embarrassment till now, but since you asked...

Has anyone been checking the status of solar cycle 24. From what I've read the magnetic poles are about to flip, signaling the start of the decent to minimum. Every indication seems to point to the weakest cycle in a perhaps a century or more. This combined with the negative phase of the PDO and NAO should be quite a test of the counter hypothesis that CO2 is but a minor player in climate change.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 01:40am PT
Have a wonderful chew on the bone I through [sic] out for you.


After Ed demolishes the paper that Rick threw out, the irony of what Rick posts in response is, well, laughable. And actually a bit sad.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 01:45am PT
The Chief, prey tell, how do you know what I care about?


You're a fool, and your posts only continue to prove that.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2013 - 01:51am PT
... Cancer. Your science does nothing to cease it. Nothing.


Let me show you what blithering nonsense your whole premise is.



Science invented the radiation treatment that cured my cancer, you numb-nut.


Now go warm up some milk and go to bed like a good little boy.



[Pity, it's in a man's body, but it has the wit of a chestnut.]
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 6, 2013 - 03:11am PT
Ah step 4 - my cause is holier than thou.

Something new under the sun. Well done old son

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 6, 2013 - 08:09am PT
Have a wonderful chew on the bone I through out for you.

Rick should post this contemptuous motto on the lawn as he builds each new home.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 6, 2013 - 08:45am PT
Meanwhile ... the American Geophysical Union (about 61,000 members) has just revised its statement on climate change. Here's the title and first paragraph:

Human-induced climate change requires urgent action

Human activities are changing Earth’s climate. At the global level,atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8°C (1.5°F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia.


Press release is here:
http://www.agu.org/news/press/pr_archives/2013/2013-38.shtml
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Aug 6, 2013 - 10:31am PT
What the hell is it with some people that they think they can just open their mouths and let the most outrageous, baseless and offensive claims fly out without any consequences?


It is called education,Bruce,or in this case the lack of one.There certainly is a consensus ,[on this thread ]of who has one and who has not.

I know i am going to die,but it would be something to be able to come back and see the grandkids of the 3% ,stabbing their grandfathers graves.

Go ahead kids ,call me names.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Must. Bite. Tongue.

I'm really trying to be a nicer person, but some people make it quite difficult. Not you, Wilbeer.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:26am PT
You know, Ed if you could get past the shet covering the outside of the Johnson bone there was a marrow of mathematics. As you so amply point out, I am incapable of comprehending that language. I would have hoped that your scientific curiosity would have prompted you to at least sample it and to tell us if it was as rotten as the exterior.

On to the solutions for this imaginary and greatly hyped problem. Gill pointed out that if all anthropogenic emissions immediately ceased the impact would be virtually non existent. Bruce you expressed interest in policy before-lets here your solutions. And Ed why and how would your carbon tax benefit the population?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:36am PT
Don't you ever have moments when you think there might be new frontiers out there, new knowledge to be learned, more refined and detailed explanations of the natural physical world yet to be discovered? Boxing yourself in within this anthropogenic theory's confines could be a foolish mistake.

Bruce- were waiting. You said previously that you liked the policy side.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Don't you ever have moments when you think there might be new frontiers out there, new knowledge to be learned, more refined and detailed explanations of the natural physical world yet to be discovered?

Why the f*#k do you think people become scientists? And who do you think is exploring those frontiers?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Gill pointed out that if all anthropogenic emissions immediately ceased the impact would be virtually non existent

Sounds like Rick is finally accepting the CO2 connection.

Since immediate cease of emissions is impossible, reduction policies are important.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Sociology is not a science?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 6, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Then he is a scientist.

Sociology has an important role in this problem, since humans will need to be convinced and humans will decide and implement solutions.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Yes Bruce, large scale development of hydro in your native B.C. would be a good start but never allowed by the enviro community. You would see a shet storm of lawsuits. And even if all CO2 emissions immediately ceased I've heard tell the temps would only be reduced a small fraction of a degree. So, what to you? Come on guys, come out and tell us.

Is physics done, are all mathematics problems described and solved?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Then climate change isn't happening.

Good news, Ron.

Do you understand the difference between weather and climate?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Is there a difference between weather and climate?

We see that the weather changes all the time and the climate change scare freaks demand we believe that the climate is changing so 'NO', there is no difference between climate and weather. Both change.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
Obviously not.

I still don't get why these guys rail so hard against a cause that - even if wrong - would be our best shot at independence from foreign oil. Oh yeah, it's because they are dumbly following the pied piper of big oil! At the same time imagining some huge science conspiracy funding those dastardly greenies. The powers that be are actually aligned around the petro complex. Some of you have served as its lackies and still don't get it. Dummies!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Aug 6, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
You're just flat out wrong, Dave.

Weather is what happens right now. Climate refers to overall trends.

I swear, I'm trying to be a nice person.

It's simply difficult, given the attitudes of people that think everything is ok.

All this negativity, why?

Why not listen objectively?

I listen to your arguments objectively.
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