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dirtbag

climber
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
No I didn't. It's a waste of time. Sorry.

I usually don't read NWO's kooky sources either or what several other people post either. I'm more interested in what Chiloe, Ed and a few others who actually know their sh#t and don't have an axe to grind or aren't fruit loopy (like the Birchers) have to say.

The web is full of such crappy loopy ideas. Don't have time or interest in it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
hhehehhee.. roger that. But killing the messenger BEFORE even glancing the message MAY be a bit premature.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Ron:
so then you DIDNT read it or give any review,

This is hilarious. Ron parrots a John Birch Society attack on a scientific paper he hasn't read, then complains that people haven't read the JBS attack.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 10, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Here is a link to a speech that Chiloe should listen to to prepare his refutation. For most everyone else the last ten minutes are most beneficial.
Lunch break is over back to my gofering.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/10/dr-murray-salby-on-model-world-vs-real-world/
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 10, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
The Cook et al. paper has been the focus of very determined political attacks, like Marcott et al. just a few months before, and many others before that. But the Cook confirmation that a consensus on the reality of ACC exists among active scientists has been replicated across many different studies now, mainly because it's true.

And active scientists know that, because they have their own data, read the journals, attend the meetings and generally understand how science works.

In the May 24 issue of Science, which I just got 'round to reading:

Annually Resolved Ice Core Records of Tropical Climate Variability over the Past ~1800 Years
Thompson et al.

Ice cores from low latitudes can provide a wealth of unique information about past climate in the tropics, but they are difficult to recover and few exist. Here, we report annually resolved ice core records from the Quelccaya ice cap (5670 meters above sea level) in Peru that extend back ~1800 years and provide a high-resolution record of climate variability there.
...
Nearly annual field observations confirm that since 1978 the QIC has been retreating along its margins (14). Radiocarbon-dated wetland plants exposed by the retreating ice provide temporal constraints on both its advance and retreat. Twenty wetland plants exposed by the retreating margin of the QIC were collected between 2004 and 2007 next to a meltwater lake (site A in Fig. 6) that started forming in 1985 on the west side of the ice cap. Radiocarbon dates for the plants [4676 ± 41 years before the present (yr B.P.)] indicate that the ice cap is smaller than it has been in almost five millennia (14, 35). In 2011 as the ice cap continued to retreat, fresh plant remains were uncovered on the eastern side of the expanding North Lake (site B in Fig. 6), while most of the plants exposed in 2002 had already decayed because of their lack of woody tissue. Radiocarbon dates on these newly exposed plants, still in growth position, average 6298 ± 35 yr B.P. (table S3), ~1600 years older than the plants collected on the west side of the lake, indicating that Quelccaya is now smaller than it was 6000 years ago. Moreover, the plant ages confirm that the advance of the QIC ~6000 years ago was much slower, ~300 m over ~1600 years, than its current rate of retreat, ~300 m in 25 years. δ18O is not correlated with net accumulation on decadal and longer time scales (Fig. 2 and figs. S3 and S4) but is highly correlated with SSTs in the eastern equatorial Pacific (Fig. 3, A and B). For the past century, Quelccaya’s net accumulation has been above average, while δ18O has been enriched (Fig. 2), suggesting that the current retreat is driven in part by its warming environment. The rapidity of Quelccaya’s retreat may reflect snow-ice feedbacks that are considered instrumental (36) for rapidly increasing temperature trends near the 0°C isotherm during the 20th century. The accelerating retreat of Quelccaya and other tropical ice fields (8) is consistent with model predictions for vertical amplification of temperature in the tropics (37) and has serious implications for those living in these areas.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Jun 10, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
The JBS practices its own, specialized form of elitism, that's for sure!
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 10, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
The Birch Society's Blue Book is scary as hell. Not for what it predicts, but because not only was someone paranoid enough to conceive it, but others actually believe it!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 10, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
The JBS practices its own, specialized form of elitism, that's for sure!

Of course none of that comes from CHILOE, ED, DRF, BRUCE. CHRISTPHD etal. Never. They are as unbiased and open minded as they come. Certainly their stance on GCC is completely open to debate and not one bit settled. Got it.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
And here's The Chief back again with his wet finger. Fresh from a lake, he can claim (with that wet finger) that there is no drought in California.


Listen to The Chief, he smart.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
Yeah...There's lots of water down in owens valley thanks to DWP and it's full time staff of lawyers...Chief can take 2 showers a week while the residents of Keeler wear respirators to keep the PM 10 out of their lungs...
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
I suspect there is a lot of overlap between the Chief's go-to, non-elitist scientists and the "respected professional researchers" found in this video:

http://www.jbs.org/videos/mediaitem/370-professional-perspectives-on-water-fluoridation
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Hey RJ!

Glad you can join in on BS spraying. Unfortunately for your post, my water comes from a very PVT Community Well that comes from Paiute Creek & Spring which originates from Paiute Mtn. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with LADWP. Not one GD thing. SO, I can water my lawn ALL day long and keep the water flowing 24/7. Then it runs to LA. HA!


Like I posted, you all for this "Save the World/Climate from Mankind Agenda" are all totally unbiased, open minded and keep the table completely clear to alternative concepts/theories to this GCC deal. Riiiiiiiiiight.


And here's The Chief back again with his wet finger. Fresh from a lake, he can claim (with that wet finger) that there is no drought in California.

Another example of the fatalistic trumpeting. Central to Southern California is historically a Very Dry Temperate Climate Zone. Thus, this "Drought" you speak of, is actual the norm. But you all gotta do what ya gotta do to proliferate the AGW mania.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Now you are not open minded if you do not read what The John Burch Society says,you guys are FRUITCAKES.

Read what NASA SAYS.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Thus, this "Drought" you speak of, is actual the norm.
    The Chief


Proof positive, The Chief is loco.




But to throw you a bone, The Chief, the Beatles have this wisdom for you:


There's nothing you can do that can't be done.


So, essentially, it's all within the natural course of the Universe. Okay?


But, if some folks want to try to stop the terrible machine that we ourselves have created, Godspeed!


Now, for your own sake, go stick your finger back in the lake.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
Raise your hand if you know what a stem-and-leaf display is. Or would like to know. The version below shows a distribution of 19 data points ranging from 4.1 to 4.9. Stems are 1's and leaves are 0.1's. The t, f, s notation comes from John Tukey's clever discovery that 2 and 3 both start with "t", 4 and 5 both start with "f", and you can guess about the "s".
Stem-and-leaf plot for sio_1206

sio_1206 rounded to nearest multiple of .1
plot in units of .1
4* | 1
4t | 23333
4f | 4444
4s | 66777
4. | 8999

These happen to be real data, new to me as of just now. 19 wrong (but in some cases, expert) predictions about the extent of Arctic Ocean sea ice last September. The actual value was not in that 4.1 to 4.9 (million km^2) range, but rather 3.6 -- much lower than predicted by most experts (or laypeople). This year, I'm part of a project just starting up to look at how to make better predictions. There will of course be a reality test.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
http://www.barackobama.com/climate-deniers?keycode=&email=terenceb585%40frontiernet.net&


This is why you must call out FRUITCAKES.

Now if you like i can cross reference every one of these people to the list of how much money they have accepted from fossil fuel corps.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:54pm PT
Chief...Much obliged...your water comes from Paiute Mt...? does your climate information come from Bull Sh#t Mt...?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
Hey, all you hothead guys. You are not dealing with us "climate realists in the approved and proper manner. For your convenience i provide the direct link below to take your refresher course.

http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 10, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2134854#msg2134854
Hey Rick pay attention!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jun 10, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
Read and Weep KMAN. Please, cease the bullshet.
California Average Annual Precipitation Map (1900 - 1960)

http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/calprecip-full-size.html
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