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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 28, 2013 - 11:55am PT
one STANDARD technique for agencies when rallying public concern for THEIR issues is:


" BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHYT"..



Saw it used many times.


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Nice one Ron and so true.

What is your take on differentiating between intuition and prejudice?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 28, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
guys,

perhaps you are getting the chief wrong?

the guy served on US Navy ships his entire career, and he damn well nows that SCIENCE, education, high intelligence was behind every wonderful bristling part of those ships, every weapon and propulsion system had SCIENCE written all over it, he knows this

the chief is NOT "anti-science", in fact he lived and breathed the best of it in his career

the chief loves high speed motorcycling, the wonders of modern medicine, etc,
all of which are the best of SCIENCE and people using the technology of science to make the things we humans use better and to better limit suffering and extend our lives

but the chief's point is that he personally believes that global warming and any negatives that come from it is not within the realm of humans to control, it's too big!

so why try, it's just a waste of time, and taxpayer dollars to do anything about it anyway

and so he comes on this thread, retired now and with a pretty good sense of humor honed from having spent a lifetime bantering back and forth with sailors

don't take his playful mocking of "science" seriously, but realize that he is entertaining himself and yes TROLLING for indignant responses

he's not ignorant by any means, he is just having the time of life getting ya riled up!

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The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
he's not ignorant by any means, he is just having the time of life getting ya riled up!

If I was still a drinking man, you and I Norton would most assuredly be sharing a weekend cell at the city/county jail as partners in crime. Those we were incarcerated for beating the living shet out of, all due to their complete ignorance of course, they would be recovering in the local hospital ward from under going modern science cosmetic surgery techniques. That is a Fact. Know it deep the bowels of my soul.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 28, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
intuition is not preconceived as prejudice is. Intuition forms from facts or apparent facts much like probable cause is..
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
That is an interesting take on it Norton. In fact, that lends credence to the Knotts = Braun = Huffen Chuff theory.

But the really interesting one is Rick Sumner anyway. I don't think he is trolling. That was really cool how he opened up to us like that and I think he is more representative of the real membership of Union of Boilermakers and Rugged Individuals of America. For every devious troll hiding up some East side canyon there are a thousand more nuanced ideologues much more interested in remaining attached and engaged in a greater society. For good or il, they do indeed share an ideology and wield real collective power. Good thing they are so disorganized. Can you imagine if they ever got their sh#t together?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 28, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
He is just a typical right winge

somehow I doubt that, my guess he is pretty non-political
in fact, I think you would be surprised if he ever told the truth of who he voted for

just because he opposes a "big effort" to do something about climate change is not a good enough predictor to say he is a "typical right winger", with all respect to you Dr F
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 28, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
What, this is now a psycho-poli sci thread? ;-)
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 28, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
The system has gone awry on this CAGW subject.

This is really the root of the problem. People reach that conclusion through their media of choice. Most likely Conservative in this instance.

They don't get it through science. They disdain science.

This is why our country is being overtaken by China and other countries who invest in science and math education.

Not everyone should be a scientist. We need poets and dreamers, too. We need a good balance in our society. Other than increasing education spending, this is entirely up to individuals.

If we, as individuals are faced with an extreme, brain washed, powerful segment of our political system, we are screwed. The Christian right and the new conservatives are causing a lot of damage in our country.

I could go on about my state since it recently went red in all three branches of government.

The typical bill is their anti Sharia Law Act, or their open carry act.

These are not problems that we face. We are 48th in public education. If we want to attract business, the employees will bail if it is Oklahoma.

What is happening in our state government is outright stupid and beyond any rational duties that they are responsible for.

I could go on about liberal democrats in this state, but they have zero power over policy at the moment. Suffice that they aren't all rosy, either.

I am more a Libertarian who is terrified of conservatives at the moment.

They talk loud about the second amendment, but the second amendment is safe. Meanwhile, they have happily and ignorantly allowed the 4th amendment to vanish.

When a conservative begins to talk science, most of them step all over their dicks. That is oilfield lingo for screwing up due to hubris.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
intuition is not preconceived as prejudice is. Intuition forms from facts or apparent facts much like probable cause is..

Ron - I'm not sure that is accurate. Just google "Intuition definition". Works for me.


But the real question is how do you differentiate? Prjudice and intuition come to us in a much the same manner but one is a tool with great beneficial potential while the other is not.

We need to differentiate, that is clear.

How?
WBraun

climber
May 28, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Well said Ed although we know it's not complete but a far better analysis then from the crybabies likes of Dr F, norton Bruce kay mechrist.

I can work both sides of the fence ......
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 28, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Ed: problem with that is they don't really know, but they are willing to accept that story instead of thinking independently... the reason they don't is because they are sure if they "learned" science they are just being indoctrinated.




That statement resembles the "warming" side as well.. They DONT KNOW what has caused a flat line in their theories. And if you TRUST agencies of the govt to define things for you without questioning, then beachfront in Omaha is a definite possible sale..

They TRIED using the polar bears for a flagship- it sunk. So dod the spotted owl. The penguins too are enjoying conditions now.

You see those were PROPAGANDA.. And lies.. Now if a cause starts out with lies, questioning the rest just seems good common sense.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
Good to hear Werner. So can I

What do you think?

Is it necessary to differentiate between intuition and prjudice? If not Why?

If it is, how do we do it?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Come on you guys, almost 10,000 posts along you would think that we could devote at least a little thought to our motivations and impulses.

To be clear, its not the fact that motives and impulses exist that bug me, it is how they are applied.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
That statement resembles the "warming" side as well.. They DONT KNOW what has caused a flat line in their theories. And if you TRUST agencies of the govt to define things for you without questioning, then beachfront in Omaha is a definite possible sale..

So unbelievably clueless.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 28, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
OK - I'll leave you guys alone for now. I would point out however a couple of things:

1) So long as there exists questions that must not be answered you must admit that you are an intellectual coward.

2) These questions lead inexorably toward questions of morality. What drives you and why and what that means in relation to others. Once again, if you are unwilling to explore personal morality you have to wonder about the courage of your convictions, or if you prefer, the deception of your convictions. Deception of yourself and others.

3) The issue of "obnoxiousness" in our discourse is a matter of style not substance. True it can get a bit counterproductive sometimes but what do you expect around here, 10000 posts later. Hidden beneath all that style somewhere is some substance, the bulk of which is physical sciences but I also suggest social sciences.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
in fact, I think you would be surprised if he ever told the truth of who he voted for

Obama, twice. For the Combat Vets. Only for us Vets. I voted for no one else on the ballot. Not one soul. Frkn scheisters the entire lot. One round, one kill etc to em all. Greed fks the entire lot. Both sides of the aisle. Good buds with two Operators that have met Obama behind closed doors. They both left feeling like the dude really cares and appreciates their work/service. That matters tons.

they fear somehow that a bunch of smart people are out to bamboozle them out of their hard earned lifestyles..

Nope. Just can't stand the "elitist" component. No better than the politicians. Agenda and only agenda. The nature of their game. Ego.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
hahahaaa.... so the problem the chaff has is other people's egos... hahahaaa!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_egos


elite: The best or most skilled members of a group.

I often find myself upset at the best and most skilled [insert occupation here] for expecting higher pay and calling the shots because... what gives them the right, other than the fact that they are better and more skilled! How dare they. I want mediocrity all around... THAT is what this country was founded on... THAT is what it means to be Merkin!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 28, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
^^^^^^ Wrong dumbass. No battle what so ever. Elitist egos. Just like yours. One day your young ass may figure that one out. One day. Keep riding that bicycle and it may come to you. Peddle.


I want mediocrity all around... THAT is what this country was founded on

Obviously your experience from that same job you have had since you were eleven. PSSSSSSSSSSSSST. This country is far from founded based on mediocrity. Get your head out the ....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 28, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
hahahhaaaaaaa...

hey Chaff, did you have that same anti-elitist attitude in the Navy? Did you disregard superior officer's orders because they were "elitists?"
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