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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
These are two very excellent summaries you have provided above of the thread at this point Chiloe. I feel like we are at a DUI checkpoint watching people like Ed talk about the rules and regulations, and measurable data like 0.08, while others... well, they stumble and bumble, weave on the line, and belligerently insist they aren't *hic* drunk, offishur.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
Negative MONO.

Climate Change IS NOT manmade.

Thus spoke the troll ...


... who has no idea about what he is saying, can't read the papers that disprove his assertions, and generally pulls crap out of the air and blows it hot and loud back out on this thread. The less informed, the hotter and louder does this troll froth.

You can almost see the child-like man, stomping his feet back and forth in an attempt to get you to listen.

Climate Change IS NOT manmade.





ION (In other news)


Ocean warming from climate change could make some parts of the world ‘uninsurable’, according to a new report (pdf) from global insurance trade body, the Geneva Association.


Link: Ocean Warming to Make Parts of the World "Uninsurable"

Looks like the insurance industry is going to have to make some tough decisions.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
It's very telling where your mind goes, the chief. Whatever gets you off though, I'm not one to discriminate against you people.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Glad you finally recognize it is happening now, Chief. You are making good progress.

I'm glad we got past that point; overall, Antarctica is losing ice mass. With a warming surrounding ocean even a growing interior will be a relatively short term anomaly. It's like an island of ice in the sky of a warming planet.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
You clearly don't "got it"! And that's a rare supertopo consensus you can take to the bank, chumpski!
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
These are two very excellent summaries you have provided above of the thread at this point Chiloe. I feel like we are at a DUI checkpoint watching people like Ed talk about the rules and regulations, and measurable data like 0.08, while others... well, they stumble and bumble, weave on the line, and belligerently insist they aren't *hic* drunk, offishur.

LMAO

Actually I think a better analogy is that Ed is patiently trying to explain the effects of alcohol at DUI school for repeat offenders who are in complete denial of the the truth.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
If global warming is happening from natural causes, should we just deal with the consequences or try to reduce it? Which costs more an ounce of prevention or a pound of cure?

BTW humanity could completely change the climate in a matter of days into a nuclear winter, so the whole humanity can't change the climate B.S. is foolish.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Wrong again! Geeze, even a stopped clock.... Not old running joke though.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Too easy. I'm not even baiting the hooks anymore, LOL!!!1
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
In the meantime, you Climate Change Utopians are all buying the Fifths of Vodka daily, slamming em down and then getting right into your vehicles and driving around just like the rest of us.

Once again you lump everyone in the same bucket, like there is no range of response. Besides, people are not going to do a f*#king thing until they understand what is going on. This thread is more about accepting that humans are changing the climate rather than what to do about it. That has to come first.

AND, just maybe we have not had a Nuclear Winter because of all the 'Alarmism' about that. All those damn catastrophists should just go home.........yeah right! Ya Sure, Ya Bet Ya!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
People like this guy are the ones on the Denialist side;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDKwc0

They start speaking English at about 45 seconds. Murry Salby is one of the 'scientists' on Rick's side. The denialists seem to be falling all over this guy......what choice do they have! The strange thing about this version of Jackass is that Johnny Knoxville isn't in it.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
To speed the debate, here is a site from the AGW side of things reviewing what Salby has to say.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Murry-Salby-Confused-About-The-Carbon-Cycle.html

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Thanks MN. Funny to see the contortions Salby goes thru to claim the jump in CO2 is natural.

He never shows a graph like the one below.

Credit: http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=10
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
We didn't lose the battle on any front Ed. Antarctica's interior is both cooling and gaining mass, consistent with with our point in the orbital mechanics cycles which makes winter several days longer than average in the southern hemisphere vice a versa in the northern hemisphere. This is but one of many natural mechanisms effecting change to the climate on planet Earth.

JoGill, you are not wrong. It smells like a dead rat because it is a dead rat. We need your expertise in math and your former training as a meteorologist to help in this battle. The consequences of this phony science movement will be a needlessly reduced standard of living, and perhaps a retreat from technology, that will negatively affect your family for generations to come.

Below is a presentation by longtime meteorologist Professor William M. Gray. I include this link not only for his indentification of flaws in CAGW, but especially for the last section of the paper- Negative consequences of politics trumping climate science. Ron, Chief, Jogill and others read this- he nails the reasons why in the end section.

http://typhoon.colostate.edu/Includes/Documents/Publications/gray/2012.pdf
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
Since your links sometimes don't work Rick, here are 2 more from Colostate;

http://changingclimates.colostate.edu/

To be the most fair to William Gray here is Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Gray

Here is what Gray is best at;
http://typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu/

This is mildly interesting with a quote by fence stradler Judith Curry;
http://mediamatters.org/research/2007/10/15/msnbc-labeled-global-warming-skeptic-gray-a-top/140115

Judith Curry Quote; Judith A. Curry, chair of Georgia Tech's School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, said that "Gray's message that global warming is a hoax is being heard because of his media connections, but she [Curry] points out he has not published any research to back it up." The article quoted Curry saying: "His ideas on global warming are not taken seriously in scientific circles."




Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
lots of articles at
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/Global-Warming/%28view%29/all
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
Thanks McHale,no i mean that. The Gray article is their for all to lookup. Tell you the truth i had a few problems with his arguments but the reason i tried to provide the link was the final section where he identifies the stinkyness of the whole phony baloney industry. Judith Curry has climbed down the fence aways to the skeptic side. She is where Ed admitted to be a while back-"anthropogenic signal is rather weak compared to natural variation".

And while your having fun learning Ed policies are being put into place that in the end will matter not as far as global injection of CO2 into the atmosphere by humans. Production will just shift to countries that aren't insane enough to destroy their economies.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
It's strange how everyone you advocate is connected to The Heartland Institute one way or another. Judith Curry has become a clown like the rest. I always held out that she was real but that has been slipping away. You are correct, she has slipped to the Dark Side!

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2010/05/judith-curry-advocates-for-a-c/

Production will just shift to countries that aren't insane enough to destroy their economies.

We won't be doing that. You talk so much crap. You are amazing. You are the true alarmist.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
For validation of production shift, McHale, research the sources and quantities of electricity powering California's grid.
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