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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
NWO2, what do any of those have to do with Climate Change and the idiots who think they are being skeptics?
new world order2

climber
May 27, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
^^^^It's all part and parcel of the new world order.

George Orwell, 1984: “The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought.”

They want us to believe mankind is at fault for global warming, and the environment being what it is (or isn't).
They want us to believe CO2 is evil, then tax us for breathing.

They will then systematically bring in mandatory abortion, euthanasia, sterilization, and vaccines (for starters).

In other words....death control.

Then, they'll chip us all. I challenge anyone to deny mankind will eventually be chipped. You do realize those units work both ways?

According to the Georgia Guidestones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

A new world order ^^^^ One government, one world army, one world religion. One rule, for/over all.

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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 27, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
NWO2 ( he was banned as NWO) is desperate for attention to his personal causes so he will post on any thread in hopes someone will agree with him and become as outraged as he is

new world order2

climber
May 27, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Oh Norton..."desperate for attention" ?

Lolz....pullllease. Compare how often I post, to how often you post.

Kettle black, anyone?

Open your mind, for like a parachute, it works better, when open.

Have you any "independent thought" ?
new world order2

climber
May 27, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
^^^And so has the majority of mankind.

"Absolute power corrupts, absolutely."

Sad, that. The sheeple, are asleeple. I digress.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 27, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
Not a clue of the ratio of hot/cold "weather" localized events of the last decade. That is for the CAGW bean counters to note then to be hysterically propagated by the compliant medias.We just (seemingly) came out of a grand maximum solar period and no matter how you slice it that had a significant contribution to previously rising global mean temperatures and because the models use a simplified value called TSI the particular variances and effects of individual parts of the total spectrum has been ignored-so the TSI is virtually worthless as a meaningful value.

Now onto one of the papers you posted-A New Diagram of the Global Energy Balance. This attempts to close the mean surface energy flux surface values between the models and improved observation. They have a reliable estimate of incoming solar value of 340Wm-2 (whatever the hell that represents - i thought it was watts/meter but the -2, which i thought was squared , throws me, please remedy my ignorance) , but this is only reliable for the observation period which is unknown to me. This value cannot be used for paleo reconstructions nor projections into the future.Next we have the discrepancy in estimations of latent heat flux which they go through a bit of contortion to justify their value of 85Wm-2. Finally they close the difference to .6 and dump it into the oceans ( as depicted by their diagram), but where, is it surface, or is it that mythical realm below the reach of the in place stations? Overall i find it a little depressing-this paper should be the product of undergraduates who pay for the priviledge education rather than taxpayer funded grants to researchers. After this , i assume it will be considered in the multi-billion dollar " play toy models" and then the scientists toys used by the IPCC and compliant governments to beat it's working citizenry over the head with attempts to "neccessarily skyrocket energy costs".

I may be wrong, i find the whole CAGW study buddy industry a little depressing. I'm concentrating on solar studies for the time being.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 27, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Not a clue of the ratio of hot/cold "weather" localized events of the last decade.

Right, because those are irrelevant... unless of course they support your position.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 27, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
Here it is a wonderful day to be climbing, fishing, what ever. You GCC Cavemen are here all day long propelling this shet over and over and over. Just a prime frkn example that you all have NO life other than this GCC religion.

Me, climbed 5 Ps of new fresh 9-10ish mixed stuff and scoped out another line for a nice 110' 10ish slab route which my partner and I will put up next week. Yesterday hiked 9ish miles with 2800' gain to 10.2K and hooked up on 3 dozen or so 8-12" Brookies. Tomorrow fishing. Thursday thru Sunday coming up, taking a client fishing at higher Humphreys Lakes and do the Hutchinsons on Humphrey.

Yup, you all need to live life today. Cease worrying about tomorrow. You can not control the future nor when your time is up and you move onto the next dimension. Cavemen lifestyles. Worrying your asses off about what may happen tomorrow. Over and over. What a life.



Right, because those are irrelevant... unless of course they support your position.


As is the last 160 something years compared to 4.6 Billion years of this planets life. But those 160 years support your position, so you say, so it is valid. Yabbadabadooo.

You two fell right into NWO's trap. And so have I.

So, that means he is banned again. All cus he doesn't go along with your Caveman propaganda. Bias to say the least. But that is how this GCC gig rolls. Demean em and then ban em. Shut those fkrs up, NOW!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 27, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
So, that means he is banned again. All cus he doesn't go along with your Caveman propaganda. Bias to say the least. But that is how this GCC gig rolls. Demean em and then ban em. Shut those fkrs up, NOW!

well, no

you, again, have your facts wrong

NWO was not banned again, he was banned only once, get it?

in addition, his banning had nothing to do with this GCC thread, he really has posted very very little on thread and when he does he trolls for his issues and GCC

Chief, I am really seeing a pattern with you, getting the facts wrong and then drawing assumption from being wrong

what is wrong with you, you don't have to be like that, or are you always like that?
WBraun

climber
May 27, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
No he doesn't.

He was sent by God so you can learn and find happiness in argument.

He rains hell fire missiles of verbal shock and awe onto his combatants.

He's military what do you expect.

Yer all pussies and can't fight ......

Heh heh heh
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 27, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
in addition, his banning had nothing to do with this GCC thread, he really has posted very very little on thread and when he does he trolls for his issues and GCC

C'mon Norton. This entire thread is one big troll. Everyone including myself and you are trolls here. Like Werner said, NO ONE KNOWS. Not one frkn soul. Not one of you knows what is going to happen tomorrow. Weather or climate. No one. Nothing in science can refute that.

If you call it intellectualism to haggle back and forth what might happen in 100 years, well. I seriously got Bigger Flies to Tie.

Japanese rider died today at the IOMTT. Norton.

ACU Events Ltd regrets to announce that Japanese rider Yoshinari Matsushita, 43, was killed during the qualifying session at the 2013 Isle of Man TT Races in an incident at Ballacrye in the North of the Island. The session was immediately red flagged following the accident. Yoshinari, from Saitama in Japan was an experienced racer who first competed at the TT Races in 2009.
http://www.iomtt.com/News.aspx

I truly respect how the IOMTT folks term these as an "incident" and not an accident.
WBraun

climber
May 27, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
LOL .....
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 27, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
How quaint ED. But I expect nothing less from. ED. You ride a bike (motorcycle) ED?

BTW ED, the IOMTT will go on regardless the climate. As it has for over 108 years now. They are not intellectuals. They just go out and do. Life.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Here it is a wonderful day to be climbing, fishing, what ever. You GCC Cavemen are here all day long propelling this shet over and over and over. Just a prime frkn example that you all have NO life other than this GCC religion.

Me, climbed 5 Ps of new fresh 9-10ish mixed stuff and scoped out another line for a nice 110' 10ish slab route which my partner and I will put up next week. Yesterday hiked 9ish miles with 2800' gain to 10.2K and hooked up on 3 dozen or so 8-12" Brookies. Tomorrow fishing. Thursday thru Sunday coming up, taking a client fishing at higher Humphreys Lakes and do the Hutchinsons on Humphrey.

Yup, you all need to live life today. Cease worrying about tomorrow. You can not control the future nor when your time is up and you move onto the next dimension. Cavemen lifestyles. Worrying your asses off about what may happen tomorrow. Over and over. What a life.



Right, because those are irrelevant... unless of course they support your position.

As is the last 160 something years compared to 4.6 Billion years of this planets life. But those 160 years support your position, so you say, so it is valid. Yabbadabadooo.

You two fell right into NWO's trap. And so have I.

So, that means he is banned again. All cus he doesn't go along with your Caveman propaganda. Bias to say the least. But that is how this GCC gig rolls. Demean em and then ban em. Shut those fkrs up, NOW!


I know. I just get pissed off sometimes.

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 27, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
No need to let em piss you off. Not worth it.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 27, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
thanks for the link Chief, lame and irrelevant to try to link MC racing to CC, eh?

and Chief, if you are so casual about your own facts and assumptions, it makes me wonder about that same sloppy ass thought process behind your CC comments

what is so difficult about just geting it right to start with, you are better than that

kinda blows one's credibility if the truth isn't that important, ya know
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 27, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
lame and irrelevant to try to link MC racing to CC, eh?

Never claimed to link MC racing to/with GCC. Appears you are getting my main point about GC. "Lame and irrelevant." Period. You are coming along Norton. Soon. SO very soon you will catch the wave. Lame and irrelevant. GCC. There are Bigger Flies to Tie out there.

WOW!

Just found this. Looks like one of the biggest GCC supporters in Industry is hanging up them GCC shoes and going for the bucks. Giving up the Caveman ideas for reality. GE tells ya all bye bye. See ya GCC clan.

GE To Invest Billions Of Dollars In Fracking

PITTSBURGH (AP) — One of America's corporate giants is investing billions of dollars in the new boom of oil and gas drilling, or fracking. General Electric Co. is opening a new laboratory in Oklahoma, buying up related companies, and placing a big bet that cutting-edge science will improve profits for clients and reduce the environmental and health effects of the boom.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 27, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
He rains hell fire missiles of verbal shock and awe onto his combatants.

He does? You call those Hellfire missiles of shock and awe? My my Werner, you do lead a sheltered life don't you? you ask him a little pointed question and he curls up in the fetal position.

you guys crack me up!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 27, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
When will you Global Warming fools just say you were wrong this time? Geez.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 27, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
We are pretty lucky to have Ed on this thread. He posted his link on Google Scholar, and I didn't realize that he spent time as a professor during or after his post-doc work.

I have a lowly B.S., but I've been reading papers in my field for 25 years and stay up to snuff on sedimentary geology. I just don't have time to go read about igneous melts. They aren't part of my job. Right now I am a Sr. Exploration Geologist.

I don't have Ed's writing skills or wide experience. I'm good at what I do, and I have been waiting to describe how CO2 forced hothouse events in the past have affected the planet, as well as deposition of the high Total Organic Carbon source rocks which when buried to a certain pressure/temperature window are responsible for oil and natural gas.

Here is Ed's background. It is way more impressive than I thought, and we are lucky to have him here. As to having a scientific bias, that is insulting to any scientist.

I give you Ed's background. I hope I don't embarrass you:

Edward Hartouni received a B.A in physics from the University of California at Berkeley in 1976 and an M.A., M.Ph., and Ph.D. from Columbia University in 1978, 1979, and 1984, respectively. He was a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Massachusetts from 1985 to 1988 and an assistant professor there from 1985 to 1994. He joined Lawrence Livermore in 1995 as a physicist involved in high-energy physics research. In 1995 Ed Hartouni joined the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory N Division. At LLNL he became the Program Leader in the proton radiography program a collaboration with LANL. Work for this program culminated in the Scrounge-atron, a proposal to build an accelerator from existing parts at the Nevada Test Site to enable proton radiography experiments on relevant, dynamic objects. During this time period maintained an attenuated presence in basic research with the collaboration MINOS (Main Injector Neutrino OScillation) experiment at Fermilab as well as the PHENIX experiment at BNL Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) and most recently the MIPP experiment at Fermilab. Co-author over 120 refereed publications in high energy physics, radiology, accelerator science.

//Ed served as N Division leader (2002-2008) and as the Deputy Associate Director for Science & Technology in the Physical and Life Sciences Directorate from 2009-2010. He is currently engaged in research in Homeland Security and in the NIC/NIF. He serves as the LLNL Point-of-Contact to the DOE/SC/HEP office.//

My only beef with Ed is that he apparently works with weapons research. I could never do that, no matter how fun it is. Not that I am a beacon of goodness. I just couldn't do it.
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