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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:36am PT
yeah chef,misinformation,i did not get it.


"Fundamental Redneck",that will get you somewhere.I think we are going to have a season up here for those.

Caught some nice truly native brookies lately?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 5, 2013 - 11:12am PT
I built a fence, a deck, a climbing wall, and some other things around the house. I know for a fact someone who builds for a living could have done a better job and in less time. But I enjoyed the process and learned some things along the way. I also ask the honest opinion of every builder who sees my work so I can make potential improvements on my next project. It must suck to live in a world where your weak little ego can't handle being set straight by experts.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 5, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
^^^^only tin foil hat idiots do, rong^^^^^
dirtbag

climber
Aug 5, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Your idea of a credible source is a John birch society opinion piece.


Hahahahahahaha.


I'm laughing at you.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
One gigantic problem Ed and others-you guys have absolutely no observationally verifiable validation of how all your microscopic bits of theoretical minutia fit into and interact in the tremendously complicated dynamic whole. No amount of jiggering with the models, scaring the public, fudging the data, or circle jerk reinforcement in the CAGW community can make up for this. The climate doesn't care nor conform to the phony science.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 5, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
The climate does react and "care" about man's activities.


http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/03/new-hockey-stick-graph-...
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/03/new-hockey-stick-graph-scarier
Credit: monolith

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Mono- you would be well served to find graphs with other authors. Those guys are the Weiner's of the weather world. Everybody snickers and laughs about the public spectacle of them being caught with their pants down, so to speak
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 5, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
You had better start posting them, cuz you are going to keep seeing these every time you blame the sun or something.
Cragar

Trad climber
MSLA - MT
Aug 5, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
One gigantic problem Ed and others-you guys have absolutely no observationally verifiable validation of how all your microscopic bits of theoretical minutia fit into and interact in the tremendously complicated dynamic whole.

certainly not true, starting with the successful explanation, in 1896, of the temperature of the surface of the Earth.

We can go on from there if you wish... how would you like to start? I'd suggest starting with the highlights of climate science...

While it is complicated and dynamic, it is accessible via scientific observation and explainable with theory, including the fundamental theory which is entirely relevant to the explanations. That's what all those climate scientists have been doing for so long.

Your characterization seems to imply that the "microscopic bits of theoretical minutia" aren't relevant... but your gaff above is not about some side issue, you've completely misunderstood thermodynamics and have implied that all of electrodynamics and quantum mechanics are incorrect because applying them to this problem comes up with the "wrong" answer...

...unfortunately, the answer is what it is, rick, and it is supported by the observations. It is really such a simple thing, CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere are responsible for the planet's temperatures. Increase the concentration and increase the temperature. It really is that simple.

Thanks Ed. You remind me of someone who can 'get' the climbing in the Meadows with all the patience and correct deliberate moves you have made in this thread. Although, I don't know of any 60+ pitch route in the Meadows ;^)
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Ed, you know damn well i'm not challenging all of the basis of the current understanding of thermodynamics,electrodynamics, or quantum mechanics, just the characterizations ascribed to the mythical molecule.I may have incorrectly characterized from memory the gist of it, but there are physicists and mathematicians reevaluating this.The climate sensitivity to CO2 is steadily trending downward in reevaluations-that you cannot deny and have even stated so in the recent past. I think there is a new paper in Nature to this effect-something about reconstruction of past climate sensitivity to doubling of CO2, from empirical evidence, leads to a climate sensitivity of 0.8 C. Look it up.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 5, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
I pledge allegiance
to the model
of the climate change of America
and to the republicans
who stand against it
one nation, without god
Somewhat divisible
With pollution and carbon credits for all.

Amen.

DMT

(allegiance, sheesh!)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 5, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Rick may be referring to the paper discussed here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-sensitivity-single-study-syndrome-nic-lewis-edition.html

Rick's the one who needs to say what paper he is referring to if he wants a response.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 5, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



dirtbag

climber
Aug 5, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
He really should stick to stuffing jackalopes.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Aug 5, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
If all the industrialized countries reduced their CO2 emissions by 100% by 2050, then according to the IPCC last published climate sensitivity of 3C, we would avert by 2100 a temperature rise of 0.28C. Which rise of 0.28C, compared to the way average temperature increases, is equivalent to moving 10 miles south

Interesting comment someone made as a reply to that repub article.

Fire away.


How about efforts to keep the Yellowstone supervolcano from erupting? I recall reading that eons ago a volcano erupted in the Pacific northwest and deposited several feet of ash in Missouri.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 5, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Bruce,
Thanks for your gratuitous dialog! Honestly I haven't educated myself on the specifics about co2's. When I drive by LA I can see its effects, and know its not good. I don't need a PhD to understand that. I try to DO my part by working close to wher I live and only consuming 20 bucks worth of gas a week. Riding my bike every chance I get, and recycling everything.
There is a lot of need for talk and dialog to bring the masses up to speed. Since the money grubbing oil tycoons and politicians arent going to do it. And YOU and a few others are doing a FINE job! And that is work,I know. But I also wonder if there's other things you might be DOING to circumvent the circumstance that might be educational to us all? Do you know that Saudi Arabia has so many oil wells that they jus burn off the extra oil they can't barrel? Check out the Al-jazeere web sight sometime.
Thanks for your lessons! I'll work harder on my arguementive posts..
For now I'll go back to my "sticks" and "nails" and being the best "California Framer"
that ever strapped on bags, and what I know..
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 5, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
I've personally processed ash samples collected in Missouri that were erupted from the Yellowstone hot spot over 2 million years ago. I'm doing everything I can to prevent another massive eruption.

When I drive by LA I can see its effects

uh, no you can't. I believe what you are seeing is mostly NO2 and particulate matter.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 5, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
I've personally processed ash samples collected in Missouri that were erupted from the Yellowstone hot spot over 2 million years ago. I'm doing everything I can to prevent another massive eruption.

Interesting side note, even the Yellowstone caldera supereruption at 2my probably released less CO2 than a single year of human activities (Gerlach 2011 in EOS). Our 35 gigatons each year is massive, it's hard to fathom the folks who blandly declare humans are tiny and couldn't be changing the planet.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Aug 5, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
Here you go Bruce, go get'em!

Look at all the probabilitys and assumptions in that one.

Jus Play'in
BB
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 5, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Ok Ed follow the link below to this guy Johnsons web site and click on his challenge to blackbody radiation. Have a wonderful day.

http://claesjohnson.blogspot.com/2011/05/presentations-at-stockholm-initiative.html
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