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Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
There is no way the increases in CO2 are 'natural'.

Really? Please site a ref where any one scientist has a peer reviewed published paper that indicates your claim with 100% certainty. This is your and the rest of the alarmists speculation. Nothing more. Human and/or Naturally produced C02 are one in the same. Please do site how one or the other can be measured differently and deemed as such. Natural or human produced.

It ain't hard to determine how much CO2 is anthropogenic and how much is "natural" based on the isotopic signature

Where is this signature extracted from?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 20, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
You make a good example of the denialists side of the argument. Without Humans adding CO2, the carbon was essentially in balance.

It does not matter if it has a signature, we know how much we are adding, thousands of shiploads and railcars at a time. You are not thinking clearly. The carbon system was basically closed and confined ( relative to what we are doing to it ) before we came along this last century.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is not a reference to your claim Mr. Navy. Do you have one or not?

Without Humans adding CO2, the carbon was essentially in balance.

Are you now going to state that as Mr. Schmidt did, the earth is not dynamic. Rather a balanced static constant sphere blue ball. Nature does not change. Nothing changes. Oh the modern humanoid expectations of it all.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
Human and/or Naturally produced C02 are one in the same.

No, they have very distinct isotopic signatures. You have no problem showing everyone just how misinformed and uneducated you are. You do know what an isotope is, right?

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/co2-in-seawater-re-zeebe/1111448055
raymond phule

climber
May 20, 2013 - 12:21pm PT

You make a good example of the denialists side of the argument.

No, he make a good example of the completely clueless about science in general and climate science in particular side of the argument. There are at least much better and more convincing denialist arguments.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Where are the isotopes extracted from and how are those isotopes differentiated when extracted?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Where are the isotopes extracted from and how are those isotopes differentiated when extracted?


^^^^ hahaha... fuking clueless!

They are extracted from the air, ice cores, marine sediments, water, etc etc etc. They are differentiated in mass spectrometers. Scientists have been doing it with remarkable consistency and reproducibility for over a century. I've personally extracted stable isotopes from carbonates, silicates, waters, plants, and sea shells. I still haven't had a chance to do a laser ablation on small silicate samples, but that is only because I became a hydrologist instead of a petrologist.

Please do continue to show your ignorance, it really is quite amusing... if not sad.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 12:43pm PT

Well at least you have Caribou Barbie on your side


Global warming isn't happening, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) argued over the weekend, pointing to the fact that it was snowing in Alaska in May.

"Global warming my gluteus maximus," she wrote in a post on her Facebook page, adding a small dose of politics to a picture of her youngest daughter Piper in the snow after graduation. "This is what 'Grad Blast' means in Alaska! We'll move our graduation b-b-q indoors and watch the mini-blizzard from 'round the fireplace."

Palin has been a reliable denier of climate science in the past. She's referred to studies supporting climate change models as "snake oil," and as a vice presidential candidate in 2008, she argued that humans haven't influenced changes in climate.

In her Facebook argument, Palin confuses weather with climate, a mistake frequently made by climate change deniers. Palin has made this blunder in the past, suggesting that local atmospheric conditions over short periods of time and small areas have bearing on larger trends averaged over long time periods and greater areas.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Is Piper the one that preaches abstinence and still somehow got pregnant in high school?

No doubt it would have been considered an immaculate conception if not for SCIENCE.
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 20, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Where are the isotopes extracted from and how are those isotopes differentiated when extracted?

Credit: El Cono
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
They are extracted from the air, ice cores, marine sediments, water, etc etc etc

Precisely. Each entity you cited has a different absorption capability and rate. Correct?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Knotts,

what exactly is your POINT?

what is it that you want to see done or not done?

should "we" as humans just forget all this studying climate stuff?


are you expecting maybe a refund of part of your taxes is we stop studying?

what is your problem?
El Cono

Boulder climber
Tierra Del Coņo
May 20, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Precisely. Each entity you cited has a different absorption capability and rate. Correct?

Jeez. I can't believe that you and Leonardo Di Caprio share the same DNA.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Each entity you cited has a different absorption capability and rate. Correct?

"absorption capability and rate?"

You have no fuking idea what you are talking about! If you were my 6 year old niece I'd find it really cute. But you are an adult, which just makes it sad. Spend some time learning something for a change. Question the bullshit you keep stuffing into that void you call a brain. In short, get a life Chief.
crunch

Social climber
CO
May 20, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Are you now going to state that as Mr. Schmidt did, the earth is not dynamic.

Mr Schmidt said no such thing. You are either lying or stupid.

Here's a transcript of what he actually said at the point you mentioned:

"We have built a society, agricultural systems and cities and everything that we do, based on assumptions that basically the climate is not going to change.

The fact that we have so much infrastructure right near the shore is because we didn't expect the sea level to rise. The damage that we had from Hurricane Sandy was increased because sea level has increased by, you know, 10- to 12 inches in....."

Here he was interrupted by the interviewer.

When Schmidt says "we," he means humankind. All of us. What else could he mean? You think he, personally decided to place so many cities near the coast?

I cannot grasp how you could interpret anything from this interview as suggesting Schmidt himself thought the Earth was not dynamic.

Good interview, thanks. Schmidt did well, under the circumstances.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 20, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
They are extracted from the air, ice cores, marine sediments, water, etc etc etc
Precisely. Each entity you cited has a different absorption capability and rate. Correct?
Obviously has no clue what an isotope is. Must be a dufus.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
In short, get a life Chief.

my god!

I never considered the Chief is back under a new username!

same MO, same constant refusal to accept truth as tested by the world wide scientific community

except: the Chief was retired Navy and did say that he was on a fixed income and very worried that maybe someday he personally might have to pay an additional carbon tax of some sort.........

is that it knotts? or are you just envious that some people are actually getting paid money to study climates and you think this is easy money for indoor work and no heavy lifting?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
What is the point of trying to engage Knotts in dialog. If you make a point using numbers generated by scientists, he says, "those are only numbers."

But then he goes right ahead and has no shame in using numbers to make his own points.

You cannot respectfully engage with someone who what's to own both sides of the coin. There is no attempt by such folks to understand, all they care about is that their point is the one to believe, and they will force their opinion on you.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 20, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
sometimes it is just fun to see how stupid people actually are... like burning ants...



er, I mean, golly, the vast majority of scientists who have spent their life studying the complexities of global climate might have missed something. We best check with someone who followed orders in the Navy just to make sure.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
OK, I'll give it that.

It's sort of like using a laser to play with a cat. You watch the cat running around, chasing an illusion.

But to me it's frustrating to know that this is the mindset that folks who are trying to make progress must battle. Simpletons who believe they have a grasp on things because they can understand a dumbed-down false narrative.

Have at it Knotts, give us your best shot. And go ahead and try to use numbers, the very thing you ignore when others try to show you the same.
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