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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Oh but John, the AGW proponents here state that like the small ballpark in the middle of a Kansas corn field, if we here in the US do as they wish us to do regarding coal plants and such, then the rest of the world will follow.

Chief, do yourself a favor and credit particular people with saying particular things. AGW proponents all lumped together does not cut it my dear man that has all the solutions.

It's good to hear you think Limbaugh is whacked!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:26am PT
2008 was 5 years ago you know? Just sayin.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:27am PT
I see we've switched to the antarctic... good move for rick and Ron and The Chief... they finally realized they lost the battle on the arctic...

Yes, that's exactly what happened. This current fuss about Antarctic land ice started as a "Look, a squirrel!" ploy by Rick when it was pointed out he'd made false statements about Arctic sea ice. But he's not any sharper here.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:49am PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



raymond phule

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:22am PT

At the end of the day, the Antarctic Ice Sheet is in fact growing. Your DISTORTION tactic is NOT working ED. Fail!

Lets see, should I believe the assertion from the chief, who has a bs degree, military background, zero climate science articles read, does not know the difference between SMB and TMB and with a track record of always being wrong, or should I believe the article publicated recently in science?

Difficult question.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:36am PT
The upshot is, the improved GIA model has lowered the continent-wide estimate of ice loss, to 69 Gtons/year.

we estimate a continent-wide ice-mass change of −69  18 Gt yr−1

http://www.readcube.com/articles/10.1038/nature11621?locale=en

Antarctica is overall losing land ice mass, despite gaining mass in the interior.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:45am PT
And both predicted by climate change. What's your point?

Overall impact after you subtract the loss from the gains: Antarctic is losing land ice mass.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:46am PT
The rational people in this ridiculous exchange should step away from the keyboard and let the clueless FOX-blindered people rant in peace. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will move their opinion one Angstrom towards understanding the science and complexity of the real world.

That is all. Carry on.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Glad you finally recognize it is happening now, Chief. You are making good progress.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Interior antarctic ice mass gain was predicted by climate change scientists. Glad you confirmed that is indeed happening.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Ed previously pointed out that future research may show that we are not gaining interior ice mass. Time will tell. The generally accepted science now is that the interior is gaining.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
Yep, I know you have a hard time with words that don't convey 100% certainty either way.

Glad we all agree, Antarctic is losing land ice mass.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
The rational people in this ridiculous exchange should step away from the keyboard and let the clueless FOX-blindered people rant in peace. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will move their opinion one Angstrom towards understanding the science and complexity of the real world.

Skep, we know that you're right and the ideologues won't learn science. They prove that with every single post. Trouble is, if you let them rant away unchallenged then for quieter folks who aren't so sure what to think, that noise is all they will hear.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
The goal in this discussion ... is to learn about the climate science through answering their questions

Ok. I can live with that. You're all doing a great job, by the way.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
I see, you quote a 2012 paper with data to 2010 on the last page that says the interior is gaining and overall the continent is losing.

But you only accept the gaining part because another paper that goes to 2008 says Antarctic overall gained since 2003.

I NEVER stated it WASN'T happening MONO.

So you just now had an epiphany?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
We were talking just about land ice mass gain or not in Antarctica. If you want to change the subject, fire away.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
The goal in this discussion is not to persuade Ron, rick and/or The Chief (or any of the many other vocal skeptics) to change their positions.

Then you should not mention their avatars in your posts, because it makes it look like it is a debate, which it is not ... debates have moderators and rules.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Then you should not mention their avatars in your posts, because it makes it look like it is a debate, which it is not ... debates have moderators and rules.

No one claimed this was a debate, it's not even much of an argument, with one group venting incomprehension, rage and paranoia mixed together with talking points from political blogs in more or less random order. But the value IMO lies with providing a science-based response to those talking points, which are widely repeated by political activists and media.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Addressing trolls by avatar makes them feel important.
I see no point with arguing with five year olds.

If you feel the need to respond to a claim, I suspect it would be better to use the generic term "some troll said ..."
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jul 1, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
I suspect it would be better to use the generic term "some troll said ..."

That's a thought. In the case of one sock-puppet using troll in particular, keeping his own shaky emotional state at the center of everyone's attention appears to be the main goal.
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