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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:44am PT
They are the buffoons we got. All the more reason to employ scientists I would think.

I believe you've written yourself, some might even think you bragged about it... that you worked with, supported, aided and abetted you might even say... climate SCIENTISTS while in the employ of another behemoth and out of control government agency, the Dept. of War.

That's irony for ya!

DMT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:52am PT

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:59am PT
Sure, if you don't mind man setting the climate back millions of years, no problem, Chief.

I'd kinka like to wait a few million years for the next global natural catastrophe, if you don't mind, Chief.
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:01am PT

Fhule:
what I am supposed to substantiate

Your claim that the masses actually give a shet about AGW. They don't.

I have never made that claim or something similar to that. All I did where to disprove your claims about 1% (a number that you can't even calculate).

It is of course nothing new in this discussion but it is impossibly to discuss things with you when the goal posts change all the time and details never matter.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:11am PT
Chief can't read graphs, but those who can might squint at the one he posted above and notice it lists Triassic CO2 as 201 ppm, and Cretaceous CO2 as 340 ppm, giving us rough benchmarks for reading the purple line. We know that CO2 today is at 400 ppm, which should be higher than the Cretaceous, but the graph shows it much lower. How can that be? One reason is that 0 million years before present, the right-hand boundary of the time line, does not necessarily round off to "present" -- a problem I wrote about several pages back. It's not clear what smoothing or averaging system was used, either.

The people who fed this graph to Chief probably know that, but they also know there are countless people out there like him who can't read graphs, but are eager to gullibly believe and pass along their political message.

And what about the super high Precambrian CO2 that it shows? Well, that's not what it seems either. One question you might ask is how people estimate what the CO2 levels were back then; others are what the solar conditions and the state of life on Earth were then. I might take that up later, or perhaps BASE will revisit this thread.
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:13am PT

Sorry MONO, WRONG! Again

I guess that we should ignore absolutely everything that man can do to the enviroment because it is never going to be worse for humans than the earth where just after it come into existens. A nuclear war is for example nothing to be afraid of.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:35am PT
And you don't mind going back to the climate represented by these high CO2 numbers, Chief?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:37am PT

raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:39am PT

So now LARRY is going to dispute the data that states C02 Levels of 7000PPMV's. Of course he is.
Impressive strawman.

Answering your strawman. I am no expert about paleoclimate but one of the lines in your own graph actually disputes the 7000ppm level.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Having felt you failed a modified Rorschach test you feel compelled to scribble out your own again and again Bruce. Pathetic. Sad too, because i know you can see through this fraud of a science, the agenda behind it, the fat rich white bastards behind it- the same ones who plundered your native lands. Wake up Bruce if you value your freedom.

Ed, i know you like to pass yourself off as the ever helpful, lovable, Gerry Garcia look alike, patient and true professor. Exactly when did you appear on this forum and why do you put so much time into propping up this discredited CAGW scheme?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:59am PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
The Chief has been most entertaining today.

Keep it up, Chief!

BTW, Chief, it's all about where you place the reference line, the scaling, and the smoothing you use. Your not very bright, are you?
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Oh, I am surprised. The chief changed the subject once again. What about trying to discus one thing at the time?

Ricks comment in regard to Ed probably take the price as one of the most idiotic things posted on this forum so far.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Again, Chief, it's all about where you put the reference line, the scale, and the smoothing, you use.

Yer not very bright, are ya Chief?
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:33pm PT

Answering your strawman. I am no expert about paleoclimate but one of the lines in your own graph actually disputes the 7000ppm level.

Like this? Current Models compared to reality. Nice.

Where is the connection with what I wrote and you wrote? I cant see it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 01:00pm PT

So PHUUULE, you believe the current Climate Models yet you question the CARBIII model that goes back some 500 or so million years?

I said that there where a model in the graph that you showed that didn't show any 7000% ppm. That model thus disputed the results of the carb111 model.

But I guess that it is denier/idiot/"skeptic" logic that applies. All models, data, conclusions, arguments that came to a conclusion that you like are correct. All models, data, conclusions and arguments that came to a conclusions that you don't like are incorrect.

I am sure that you have absolutely no idea if the result from the CARB111 model are good or if it is better than the other models in the figure you copied.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Don't have much time to mess with this today but you guys should look at the link below for the current weather trend gripping our nation. Looks like the country is currently far below average-except for you Ron-im sorry but it looks like you'll be 1 degree above normal. How are those arctic rowers doing, for that matter how is the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extents doing-some interesting info there but you true believers won't believe it unless you look for yourselves.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/weather/1919754-record-cold-air-july-august-2013-a.html
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 01:13pm PT

how is the Arctic sea ice extents doing

No, record year so far (but it can still be) but below the 00 mean. The arctic sea ice cover seems to be consistently shrinking.

But I guess that a non record year this year prove without a doubt that climate change is a huge conspiracy. I mean the record year was last year and a larger ice cover this year prove that the ice age is coming. The statistics for two years is of course enough if you like the conclusion.
dirtbag

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
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