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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 26, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
im sure we can nab that one. Climbski was talking about it yesterday at Woodfest as well - met his 80 yr old Dad- who has had quite the adventurous life!
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 26, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Honorable either way but there is a difference in COMBAT and RESCUE...

It's called Helo Combat Rescue. Work with Frogs and Delta Operators extracting wounded grunts and downed drivers. Here is the Squadron (HCS-5) I crewed with on two different tours. This little vid shows em op'n in Iraq. Boom Boom.


Just got back from a ten miler with my Wife and Healer. Spent an hour or so playing my buddy Brookies at 10K above Bishop. Hooked up on several dozen. Horton Lake 1 & 2. We had a blast. Great day.
Edit. Added the photos.




Carry on with the festivities. Weschrist. You are jobless. On the States Social assistance payroll for the jobless. Nice.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 26, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
You are jobless. On the States Social assistance payroll for the jobless.

Nope. I've earned every penny I have. Haven't received a bit of assistance from any government source. Further proof that idiots like you will make up blatant lies to support your bullshit position on anything... cuz that's all you've got.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 26, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
Climbski was talking about it yesterday at Woodfest as well
where were u Wes?
WBraun

climber
May 26, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
The minime christ says -- "Haven't received a bit of assistance."

Total lie.

Everyone receives assistance, everyone.

Every breath is assistance ......
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 26, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
geez WB, I edited that post for clarity not more than 10 seconds after posting. Are you stalking me again?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 26, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 26, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
^^^^^^^^ Called a tornado. Been happening on earth for millions of years. Please do tell us that they haven't and that they are a product of GCC. Or, that they have never been as powerful in all them millions of years as they have been in the recent five or so years. Oh please.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Yes that is the second of the two papers i mentioned. Very interesting reading, most of it understandable from my level as a laymen, you'll no doubt get a much better understanding than i. Why was this thing extensively updated, was it to answer rebuttals? The gist of it seems to say that the values of TSI (itself totally inadequate since it is a gross oversimplification) used for paleo reconstructions is way off since we have been in a maxima, in the late 20th century, of unusual proportions. It also points to the possibility that the "variable star" we revolve around is more variable than we assume, certainly not constant. Anyway it all seems to mainly hinge on their interpretation of proxy data. This thing and others out there is in urgent need of strong refutation by the CAGW community. As usual, pointing out the errors of my amateur assumptions is appreciated.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 26, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
simple question,, if they DONT KNOW why the "warming" flattened out the previous decade, then how are they to assume their interpretations for the future are correct?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
Have you read that latest paper? The Shapiro paper intentionally put itself on thin ice, humorously it seems. This one seems to add some thickness to the ice.

edit the abstract is a little misleading.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 26, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
Ok.

All interested parties should read the paper provided by Ed's last link above. At minumum it is a good primer on the state of solar science. If it is published their will be quite a scramble to refute particular parts of it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 26, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
https://twitter.com/SkiWhiteface/status/338745777910325249

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/northeast-frost-freeze-concern/13337903
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 26, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
let time take it's course and read the paper once it's in shape to be a real article somewhere..

In other words, the GCC crowd (peer rev process) buy it hook and sinker in some GCC endorsing Science periodical. Right.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
May 26, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Here is something about solar forcing. It's a fairly good page in general.
http://www.wunderground.com/resources/climate/strato_cooling.asp

What about global warming being caused by the sun?

Some scientists have theorized that increases in solar output are responsible for a significant portion of the observed global warming. For instance, Scafetta & West (2006) estimated that 25-35% of the global warming in the 1980-2000 period was attributable to solar variability. Other scientists disagree, finding no evidence of global warming due to solar activity changes since the 1940s. Since any increase in solar radiation would heat both the lower and upper atmosphere, the observed drop in upper atmospheric temperatures in the past 30 years argues against a large portion of the observed greenhouse effect being caused by solar variability. The observed cooling of the upper atmosphere in recent decades is strong evidence that the warming at Earth's surface is due to human-emitted greenhouse gases. It should also give us additional confidence in the climate models, since they predicted that this upper atmospheric cooling would occur.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 26, 2013 - 09:34pm PT

There was a time when Republicans were leading the way on ideas to fight climate change.

The first cap-and-trade bill to reduce carbon emissions was introduced into the Senate by Sen. John McCain.

The McCain/Palin ticket included a cap-and-trade plank. Some Republicans, like Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker, supported a carbon tax.


but then, things changed.......
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 26, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
I love our boys who do the fighting chief...have lots in my family and friends

Can't stand the people who send them off to fight...liars one and all

WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN IN IRAQ----BUSH LIED---INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED!!!

Doesn't change the fact that the climate is changing...we do live in a dynamic world with many extinction events in our past (and in our future also) the difference is none of the past extinction events has been CAUSED by the dominant species but we could create an extinction event with our choice to continue using fossil fuels as an energy source...I know you are smart enough to use something else if it was available (and I understand there isn't one available---I am just an advocate for fighting with the people that are keeping the suppresion of these advanced technologies our civilization needs to preserve our planet for future generations of humans...like George Carlin stated we don't need to save the planet it isn't going anywhere but we do need to save the people!!!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 26, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50147675n
Mainstream media.Only place to view denial: Faux news


TGT,34"at Whiteface,NY,2nd place all time record one day snowfall.

perfectly normal.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 26, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
Rick "cradle to grave social safety net" I understand you don't like it...but what about the "to big to fail" and "privatize the profits socialize the losses" safety nets enjoyed by corporations on Wall Street???

Isn't that socialism also??? Do you approve??

As far as zombie movies it is proven people like to hang with like minded people most of the time so I guess you fit right in with the zombie community as you lack a brain.

Why would a serious scientist write a paper intentionally putting his work on thin ice (from your post above)?? You state it seems he is being humorous...seems to me that he isn't a serious scientist at all and writes these type of papers to waste true scientists time (part of the strategy of the BIG OIL COMPANIES---is to waste the resources of those opposed to thier agenda).
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
May 26, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
the rocks where else .

Yay! Nobody gets that one. There are truly massive sequences of limestone rocks around the world. All but a small subset come from critters with shells dying in the ocean, and precipitation of CaCO3 from saturated seawater. The saturation is caused by dissolving critters who have CaCO3 tests, or shells, which can be microscopic.

That carbon is sequestered and is not a readily available part of the carbon cycle, such as a tree.

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