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Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 22, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
norton - particle fallout sources can be fingered for dirtying the glaciers to one degree or another. Nearest will have most effect.


the brick makers in Kat
http://www.ekantipur.com/the-kathmandu-post/2012/09/08/related_articles/families-in-brick-kilns-difficulties-abound/239396.html


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
throw in some particulates form HUGE dustorms from the vast world deserts now and then, along with occasional volcano ash. All manner on natural born particulates.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Like i said Ron ,who cares.

Mr Ed Hartouni is smart beyond his years ,he is 100% correct in his judgement of all 3 or 4 of you deniers.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
and yet presented for you here,wilbeer, pages worth of facts saying otherwise,, NOT that CO2 is going up, but WHAT affect that has. Many a flagship sunken..tsk tsk..
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
NOT that CO2 is going up, but WHAT affect that has.

Clearly Ron, as you pointed out earlier, it's cooling the planet and insulating us from solar heat.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Rong--a good education can be had from the school of hard knocks I have a degree from there myself, by the way colleges don't educate you--everybody educates themselves but the college puts there name behind it because they "check' your work...I taught myself climbing from the book "freedom of the hills", in addition to wiring my house during remodeling from a book.

Didn't I mention I stood up for a disabled elderly man and was fired for it took the world's largest fitness company to court and won (after 2 years) I have more determination and perseverance than tricky ricky will ever have...I ALWAYS STAND UP FOR THE WEAK AND POWERLESS--doubt me check out Crisma Fuchs (look up her court case) she was an illiterate 64 year old immigrant who was raped while a caregiver in a Balboa Island home (she didn't win in court--she waited to long to tell anybody--BUT she will tell you that I am an ANGEL--her words to everybody...since I tried to repair her broken spirit and fight for her when no one else would---got fired for it too.

By the way I started climbing at age 26 after growing up in that climbing mecca Kansas City, taught myself and now at age 41 am leading 5.12 and that is without having any climbing mentors to push me like DANO for you


I have helped people with spinal cord injuries get out of their prison of a wheelchair (for hours--not forever) because they know I care and will not quit and won't let them quit either.

don't you remember this last year me emailing you to encourage you and your business being on hard times...and that's for somebody I don't even know WHY? Because I'm a bleeding heart who believes the strong help the weak---while you may not be weak you do need help
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 22, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
psssst Mt lion,, Rick climbed harder than youll ever obtain, and did routes that would make you shrivel in fear coil yur rope and walk away..


Thats right and there is nothing more relevant to the discussion at hand and there is no one more cognizant of this than The Chief.


So here is the hierarchy so far:

1) The Chief, by dint of his finely tuned grasp of the laws and science of evolution.

2) Knotty. We miss knotty. Where is he?

3) Ricky. due to his ability to note weather conditions in both Russia and Nevada simultaneously.

4) Ron, due to his slavish loyalty to the above.

5) Blah has been a bit disappointing in his loyalty and is on probation. Better buck up a bit there blah.

6) Me, due entirely to my recent conversion but still not to be completely trusted. Stay tuned.

7) All the rest. Communists all.

8) Ed and Chiloe. The problem with guys like you, aside from your alleged expertise, is that you are in what we call the reality-based community, which is defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... That's not the way the world really works. We on the other hand create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

If you guys hadn't wasted your entire lives in ivory towers judiciously studying reality and had instead chosen to join the real world of action, drama and psuedo sado-masochistic homo erotic ritual that real men habitate you would understand what I mean. Or even if you didn't you can still salvage some status by falling in line like me and Ron.
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
May 22, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
norton - funny norton. Pretend idiot brain chemistry if you like. We shall laugh as if you are still really smart.

You choose A or B ?: A -scientists climb onto glaciers with burners and melt glacier secretly or B - Sun light melts glaciers. Dirty glaciers melt faster than clean white glaciers.

activity at the katmandu brick kilns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjiJeZVsG28




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
Mtlion,,,A) Dano was never a mentor of mine, he was a friend. He was in a climbing class far above and removed from mine. I once told him watching him climb sucked the strength right outta me LMAO! Accused him of some Japanese trickery that was stealing power from those around.. He was rollin...

B) theres NO ONE here that doesnt "need help"...
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
You choose A or B

I don't think it's the aerosols that are melting Antarctica.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/03/uh-oh-greenland-and-antarctica-melting-faster-than-expected/

The verification test produced results that were within 20 gigatons per year in Greenland and 150 gigatons per year in Antarctica, well under previously observed error estimates for each individual approach.

These figures represent a melt rate that cannot be replaced by yearly snowfall in the near term. Even an increase in snowfall rates cannot outpace it. Like Ron said, "stay close to the life-rafts".
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Thanks for making me laugh Bruce...that list is great:)

I'd rather be with the communists than the "don't bother me with the facts my mind is made up" people like RONG
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
your lucky to have been around someone like him Ron and your right we all do need help...nothing gets done without someone else in our lives.

back on topic: SEA LEVEL will RISE due to GREENLAND ICE SHEET MELTING

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/greenland-ice-melting-climate-change


I'm tempted to blame part of the melting on us watching video's of Dano crushing because I watch them so much!
















Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
Mother jonesing will tell you the sky is indeed falling..Ill bet they are still talking about those polar bears too..


Who in fact has to worry about a SLIGHT rise in ocean levels? Well the ones that have built extremely close to any erosion type set up, and those that own docks or live at the very cusp of the seas.. The polar bears seem to be diggin the shorter walk between feeding stations. But since ice is growing at the other end, and oceans cooling, global temps being flat for the last fifteen years,, and CO2 slightly rising, all the correlations of "global warming" seem a bit "off" in nature. (pun intended)
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
Here, I'll post this again;
http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/03/uh-oh-greenland-and-antarctica-melting-faster-than-expected/


The verification test produced results that were within 20 gigatons per year in Greenland and 150 gigatons per year in Antarctica, well under previously observed error estimates for each individual approach.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/forget-the-melting-arctic_n_1906554.html



there i even used HUFFPOST for ya...Yurs 2011, mine 2012..Now either it was ONE HELLA year at the antartic, orrrrr its been growing for a while and was simply IGNORED?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
Sea ice is not continental ice. It's the continental ice that is melting and helping the sea ice along by 'freshening' the seawater. I have not considered that the same process may be supporting whatever Arctic Ice Extent is left.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 22, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
again,, the article you posted was dead wrong.. Im sorry but those be the facts. It said ant was melting faster than art when ant was growing..So sayeth the penguins.


And Yes consider that the ocean has cooled. Yet "global warming" is occurring with flat lined temps the last fifteen years and make sense of that.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 22, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
For several decades now, the Arctic has been warming twice as fast as any other region on Earth — one of the clearest symptoms of human-caused global warming. And it has been contributing more to sea level rise than Antarctica has.

Here is some updated info for you Ron, Ricky, and Le Chef. newsflash but the Artic, Antartic, and Greenland are all MELTING just as science predicted.


In research published last November, scientists reached something of a consensus on what the warming has been doing to the polar ice sheets. Here’s Richard Kerr’s summary (subscription required) in the journal Science:

By the new reckoning, the Greenland ice sheet lost 263±30 billion tons of ice per year from 2005 to 2010. Overall, Antarctica lost about 81 billion tons per year in the same period; the huge East Antarctic portion of the ice sheet registered a small gain, more than offset by losses in West Antarctica and the adjacent Antarctic Peninsula. Since 1992, the two ice sheets lost enough ice to raise sea level by about 0.6 millimeters per year on average, out of the observed 3 millimeters per year. (Most of the rest of the sea level rise came from melting mountain glaciers and from the expansion of seawater due to warming.)



http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2013/02/18/surface-ice-in-greenland-is-melting-in-winter/
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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
Yet "global warming" is occurring with flat lined temps the last fifteen years and make sense of that.

Ron, these are 'feedbacks'. That amount of cold water dumping into the oceans cools things off. It can only go on for so long though, and warming will continue. This is kind of what is known as the 'missing heat'. You can't have a cooling planet and these kinds of gigatons of melt at the same time. A flat-line as you call it is not really flat. To maintain the heat that the planet is maintaining, at the same time that these huge melts are occurring, is NOT flat.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 22, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
Antartic ice has grown 2.7% in the last 30 years.
Artic ice has decreased 47% in that same time period.
Wait, i know what you guys are going to say ,without you even looking it up.
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