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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
I could tell you WHY again, with exact proof , dates, facts, history and sciences involved.

No you can't.

I can tell you exactly what .09 of 1 degree means in terms of wildfires.

You can't even tell me what a 1 degree increase means in terms of boiling water.

(^ sly thermodynamics reference)
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:20am PT
Actually K-Man the U.S. is leading the world in reduction of CO2 emissions. We are down to the level of 1992. It is largely from switching to natural gas usage. I mention this not because i think the present levels of CO2 emissions are harmful but rather all the other pollutants commonly emitted with it. If the alarmist community would go to sleep, or take their happy pills and lighten up, the imaginary calamities would correct themselves as a natural outcome of evolution in the energy industry.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:24am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

yeah... a sleeping pill.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:42am PT
The Chief...The fortress of Mono County.....? Retired LEO's and military lifers with Obummer stickers on their vehicles... that's what i call ironic... Retired government workers bashing the government while sucking on the front tit of the government cow...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2013 - 01:10am PT
That's an interesting graph, The Chief. Out west, we have lots of Max temps (red and yellow). East, a slew of Mins (purple and blue).



A couple of weeks ago, there were record highs out East.


Keep watching...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 1, 2013 - 02:02am PT
That is pretty interesting, but it ain't from NOAA. It is from:

http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/climate/records/1week/us.html?cat=maxtemp,mintemp,snow,lowmax,highmin

via our favorite fact based website, wattsupwiththat:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/30/july-ends-on-a-frigid-note-as-record-cold-outpaces-warmth-nearly-10-to-1/#more-90702

Anyone have the time to find similar data from previous years? A significant increase in the number of record setting temperatures (high or low) can have serious ecological and economic impacts.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2013 - 03:05am PT
These links should piss off both pro and con of the CAGW divide.I'm sure most of you have seen them before but this time read them carefully.Pay attention to the last paragraph of the formation section on the wiki link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/club_of_rome

http://www.c3headlines.com/global-warming-quotes-climate-change-quotes.html
Rick Sylvester

Trad climber
Squaw Valley, California
Aug 1, 2013 - 03:43am PT
We climbers were the canaries in the mine as far as climate change. We were among the first to observe glacial recession. What to do about it is very debatable. But in view of all the accumulated scientific research and findings, at this time anyone who still questions it, not to mention intentionally denies it, is, to quote the unsubtle title of one of Ibsen's plays an "Enemy of the People". Trying to halt dealing with it is the exact modern equivalent, but far more serious and consequential, of fiddling while Rome's burning.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:06am PT
Environmental PROTECTION Agency.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:33am PT
RJ nailed that wasp outta duh park!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Oh how stupid Amerikens really are.

Yes very stupid.

However I think its very smart that our government employs scientists to help us chart our plans for the future. Maybe you think we're better served with us high school drop outs running things? I sure don't. Me, I can't do climate science I can't even fake the graphs. Nor do I want to try. And I'm trained in meteorology, lol!

Science!

There's a famous SciFi short story by Issac Asimov penned in the early 40s.

Nightfall.

http://www.uni.edu/morgans/astro/course/nightfall.pdf

Some of you Luddites would do well to read it.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:40am PT
Experts, Dingus?

No way, man, I prefer the offal we get from our colicky and completely unqualified leisure class.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:44am PT
They are the buffoons we got. All the more reason to employ scientists I would think.

I believe you've written yourself, some might even think you bragged about it... that you worked with, supported, aided and abetted you might even say... climate SCIENTISTS while in the employ of another behemoth and out of control government agency, the Dept. of War.

That's irony for ya!

DMT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:52am PT

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:59am PT
Sure, if you don't mind man setting the climate back millions of years, no problem, Chief.

I'd kinka like to wait a few million years for the next global natural catastrophe, if you don't mind, Chief.
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:01am PT

Fhule:
what I am supposed to substantiate

Your claim that the masses actually give a shet about AGW. They don't.

I have never made that claim or something similar to that. All I did where to disprove your claims about 1% (a number that you can't even calculate).

It is of course nothing new in this discussion but it is impossibly to discuss things with you when the goal posts change all the time and details never matter.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:11am PT
Chief can't read graphs, but those who can might squint at the one he posted above and notice it lists Triassic CO2 as 201 ppm, and Cretaceous CO2 as 340 ppm, giving us rough benchmarks for reading the purple line. We know that CO2 today is at 400 ppm, which should be higher than the Cretaceous, but the graph shows it much lower. How can that be? One reason is that 0 million years before present, the right-hand boundary of the time line, does not necessarily round off to "present" -- a problem I wrote about several pages back. It's not clear what smoothing or averaging system was used, either.

The people who fed this graph to Chief probably know that, but they also know there are countless people out there like him who can't read graphs, but are eager to gullibly believe and pass along their political message.

And what about the super high Precambrian CO2 that it shows? Well, that's not what it seems either. One question you might ask is how people estimate what the CO2 levels were back then; others are what the solar conditions and the state of life on Earth were then. I might take that up later, or perhaps BASE will revisit this thread.
raymond phule

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:13am PT

Sorry MONO, WRONG! Again

I guess that we should ignore absolutely everything that man can do to the enviroment because it is never going to be worse for humans than the earth where just after it come into existens. A nuclear war is for example nothing to be afraid of.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:35am PT
And you don't mind going back to the climate represented by these high CO2 numbers, Chief?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:37am PT

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