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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 31, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Too many MEN are åssholes.
It's nothing to be proud of.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:17pm PT


(uh oh, someone is deleting posts... hoping it is Dick or Chuff)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Sumner has been post deleting. (709->708)

He want's his team at the top of a page.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Makes sense. It must be hard to be wrong all the time. Better to just delete his ignorantly adamant posts and pretend he never said such stupid sh#t. I'm sure he will have no problem convincing himself he was right all along. Willful ignorance.

(mono, curious... how do you know 709->708? That was a long time ago. What other info do you have? IP addresses for the same person using multiple anonymous accounts? That could be interesting.)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 31, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
I saw it happen the first time, suspected it was Sumner, checked his post count and it was 709. When it happened again, it went to 708.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
A Congressional task force of representatives and climate experts convened on Tuesday, where they concluded that the worsening of wildfires devastating the U.S. is in fact due to climate change, an unprecedented statement for a government body.


Obviously this Congressional task force needs Ron Anderson to set them straight.

How on Earth could such a group overlook the very obvious, that a one degree rise in temperature does not effect the size and scope of wildfires.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Thanks Ron for that refreshing glimpse back into reality.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 31, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
Finally, some good news...


Aggressive energy efficiency efforts by households, companies and motorists led to the decline in carbon dioxide emissions from energy use in the United States, according to a recent report. The controversial finding contradicts recent studies that say the power sector's shift away from coal to cheap natural gas caused the bulk of reductions.

U.S. emissions last year fell by 205 million metric tons, or 4 percent, from 2011 levels. CO2 Scorecard Group, a small environmental research organization, says that nearly half the decline came from energy-saving measures such as retrofits and smarter appliances in homes and offices, as well as from Americans driving fewer miles, and using more fuel-efficient vehicles.


Source:
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20130730/efficiency-drove-us-emissions-decline-not-natural-gas-study-says
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 31, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
I could tell you WHY again, with exact proof , dates, facts, history and sciences involved.

No you can't.

I can tell you exactly what .09 of 1 degree means in terms of wildfires.

You can't even tell me what a 1 degree increase means in terms of boiling water.

(^ sly thermodynamics reference)
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:20am PT
Actually K-Man the U.S. is leading the world in reduction of CO2 emissions. We are down to the level of 1992. It is largely from switching to natural gas usage. I mention this not because i think the present levels of CO2 emissions are harmful but rather all the other pollutants commonly emitted with it. If the alarmist community would go to sleep, or take their happy pills and lighten up, the imaginary calamities would correct themselves as a natural outcome of evolution in the energy industry.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:24am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

yeah... a sleeping pill.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:42am PT
The Chief...The fortress of Mono County.....? Retired LEO's and military lifers with Obummer stickers on their vehicles... that's what i call ironic... Retired government workers bashing the government while sucking on the front tit of the government cow...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2013 - 01:10am PT
That's an interesting graph, The Chief. Out west, we have lots of Max temps (red and yellow). East, a slew of Mins (purple and blue).



A couple of weeks ago, there were record highs out East.


Keep watching...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Aug 1, 2013 - 02:02am PT
That is pretty interesting, but it ain't from NOAA. It is from:

http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/climate/records/1week/us.html?cat=maxtemp,mintemp,snow,lowmax,highmin

via our favorite fact based website, wattsupwiththat:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/30/july-ends-on-a-frigid-note-as-record-cold-outpaces-warmth-nearly-10-to-1/#more-90702

Anyone have the time to find similar data from previous years? A significant increase in the number of record setting temperatures (high or low) can have serious ecological and economic impacts.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 1, 2013 - 03:05am PT
These links should piss off both pro and con of the CAGW divide.I'm sure most of you have seen them before but this time read them carefully.Pay attention to the last paragraph of the formation section on the wiki link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/club_of_rome

http://www.c3headlines.com/global-warming-quotes-climate-change-quotes.html
Rick Sylvester

Trad climber
Squaw Valley, California
Aug 1, 2013 - 03:43am PT
We climbers were the canaries in the mine as far as climate change. We were among the first to observe glacial recession. What to do about it is very debatable. But in view of all the accumulated scientific research and findings, at this time anyone who still questions it, not to mention intentionally denies it, is, to quote the unsubtle title of one of Ibsen's plays an "Enemy of the People". Trying to halt dealing with it is the exact modern equivalent, but far more serious and consequential, of fiddling while Rome's burning.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:06am PT
Environmental PROTECTION Agency.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:33am PT
RJ nailed that wasp outta duh park!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Oh how stupid Amerikens really are.

Yes very stupid.

However I think its very smart that our government employs scientists to help us chart our plans for the future. Maybe you think we're better served with us high school drop outs running things? I sure don't. Me, I can't do climate science I can't even fake the graphs. Nor do I want to try. And I'm trained in meteorology, lol!

Science!

There's a famous SciFi short story by Issac Asimov penned in the early 40s.

Nightfall.

http://www.uni.edu/morgans/astro/course/nightfall.pdf

Some of you Luddites would do well to read it.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Aug 1, 2013 - 09:40am PT
Experts, Dingus?

No way, man, I prefer the offal we get from our colicky and completely unqualified leisure class.
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