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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 23, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
Rick, start doing searches about Arctic Vortex Collapse and you'll see that the cold is a result of changes in the Arctic because of AGW. The first link I gave you doesn't mention AGW, but the warm air entering the Arctic isn't coming from some far of mythological future iceage. Your trouble is that you are surrounded by people with their heads in the sand (more like snow where you are), and it's going to be very difficult to break out of that. The other problem is; there is lots of support to keep your head in the snow with places like the Heartland Institute for the Blind. I read that crap and I fear for our countries future. I don't expect you to change, but try reading something on the net besides comic books. Don't read and look for stuff that supports the fact that you don't want climate change to be happening - none of us want it to be happening. You need to learn why it's happening.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 12:00am PT
BASE ,I hope your grandkids get to ski.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 24, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Imagine the expense and difficulty of converting our lives to non-fossil fuels. No airplanes, for example.

More importantly, imagine the Big Oil CEOs not making their revolting bonuses... and the public paying the ACTUAL cost of petroleum products.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 24, 2013 - 12:37am PT
If you just read this thread it makes you wonder if mankind deserves the reigns to the planet.


Yes BASE this thread lacks some civility,lots of name calling,bitter disagreement.Human nature.
I consider it a large advancement over lets say war.Consider the fact of where my mother comes from in West Virginia,she had not to distant relatives that fought and killed each other in the civil war.
Partisan bickering and name calling pales in comparison.
While i totally agree it should not be about politics,what the hell is not anymore.



One would like to remain positive in the face of such,The glass is half full.
new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 12:41am PT
There should be a cow flatulence tax. Oh wait, it's in the works!

How about taxing us humans for breathing? After all, that CO2 is soooo evil!


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 24, 2013 - 12:52am PT
Mchale, its a little more complicated than that i'm afraid. Seems the PDO slipped into the negative phase recently, this is a fairly recently discovered oscillation that is not well understood. Base fully expects the Arctic to be ice free during summer months within his sons lifetime-both are just guesses, in one case educated in the other not.

Ok, Ed so what does the paper say? Why do we have to play this game-oh very well. At minimum it states loudly and clearly that we lack coherent,correlating, direct measurement data sets of even the satellite era which corresponds to a prolonged period of unusually high solar activity. At the most it accounts for all global temperature swings observed from 7000 years ago to present.

Refute it maestro
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 24, 2013 - 01:01am PT
Amazing how pervasive the slippery slope arguments are among the retards on the right.

ANY gun control = tyrannical government taking guns

Regulate CO2 emissions from large polluters = tax people for breathing

Unfukingbelievable that they get an equal vote.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 24, 2013 - 01:07am PT
Yep, they SHOULD be ignored. But when the Queen dipshit becomes the nominee for VPOTUS, you kind of have to start paying attention.
new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 01:10am PT
Oh, we'll be taxed for breathing, down the road. It's all CO2, isn't it?

What a perfect way to pay down the debt, and save the environment at the same time. Think about it!

And all guns will be confiscated.

Baby steps, guys. The sheeple would awake if prodded along too quickly.
new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 01:20am PT
Georgia Guidestones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

^^^^^^ What does this guideline say to you guys? Why is is there?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 24, 2013 - 01:28am PT
Shapiro has a number of interesting papers accessed by the link below

http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/alexander-shapiro/document/3769892321/#highlighted

new world order2

climber
May 24, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Thank you. ^^^^

So, does it also speak to the "hopeful assumption" that a day will come where there are but only 500,000,000 inhabitants?

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
May 24, 2013 - 01:38am PT
In 2008, Hansen wrote about “stabilizing” the climate :

Stabilizing atmospheric CO2 and climate requires that net CO2 emissions approach zero, because of the long lifetime of CO2 (he wrote)

arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0804/0804.1126.pdf

Yet in 1999, he made it quite clear that past climate was not stable, and that there was little evidence to support that idea that the climate was becoming more unstable.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/spectacularly-poor-climate-science-at-nasa/

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 01:49am PT
Lots of personal experience, and as an ED RN--

Hmm. I am an alcoholic. 13 years 13 days sober. Been doing F/T and P/T D&A Counseling w/combat vets etc for over 11 of those years. You don't "talk an alcoholic into quitting booze." You just share your personal alcoholic story, hope they listen, do not judge em, be there 24/7 and pray that they follow your lead. That is why a non-alcoholic (folks as yourself regardless profession) talks at an alcoholic and we don't listen. Folks as yourself are clueless as to why we drink/use.

Btw, Chief, I'm not mountainlion. Try to focus.

I am focusing MONOLITH. I answered the same question from LION yesterday/up thread. Now you try and focus as ED has admitted his employer is in fact direct component of the NNSA which oversees the stockpile of US WMD's by his own admission and he has partaken in that aspect of LLNS.

My employer is LLNS, Livermore Lab National Security LLC... The HEDS has relevance to both basic science and the stockpile stewardship program. I've worked on this project some for the last 4 years but have transitioned to other activities...... While I can talk about a lot of the things I do, I obviously cannot talk about some of it.

Kind of like being a full time butcher of hunted meat and having a life-time membership to PETA. Your being concerned with the future of mankind and GCC. Maybe that new component of fusion you are involved in. $$$$$$.



You can post all the papers you want ED & Chiloe etal. But as I shared earlier, all them papers are just another aspect of the growing multi-billion/trillion dollar GCC Industry. The propaganda machine spinning and turning. Capitalism at it's best I tell ya. Sneaky. Oh so sneaky.

Edit.

Until Humans cease proliferating at the rate they are currently doing so, this issue is not going away. Not one of you GCCers has even touched that so very important aspect of this issue. Mankind is running outta room and resources. Regardless what they may be. It has basically eating itself outta it's home.

The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 01:58am PT
GCCers make absolutely ZERO sense. Zero.
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 24, 2013 - 04:44am PT
thechief spewed,

Folks as yourself are clueless as to why we drink/use.

Your usual selective reading and opinion/guess stated as if you know it's a fact--and you even qouted what I said, unbelievable . . . Such certaintanty about sh#t you know nothing about.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 24, 2013 - 08:50am PT
Banned. Knotts was a sock puppet of The Chief.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 24, 2013 - 08:50am PT
Thanks for all the real studies posted and analysis ED!!

FACTS:

The U.S. was the greatest contributer of greenhous gases for 1900-2000

China and India have overtaken us as the largest contributer of greenhouse gases

Excessive CO2 results in acidization of ocean water destroying coral

Earth's population is growing resulting in even more pressure on natural resources and more greenhouse gas emissions

The rest of the developing world desires the lifestyle we have in the U.S. wich will increase the greenhouse gas emissions---they don't want to hear they can't have our lifestyle.

It takes 10 acres of grain to produce 1 pound of high quality beef

Developing countries are eating more meat in thier diet than they have in the past

If every country ate as much meat as the U.S. it would take 4 earths to support that consumption

All of these facts I watched on a science channel program yesterday Sorry for lack of sources but I will post the sources and do the research after work.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 24, 2013 - 09:14am PT
The U.S. was the greatest contributer of greenhous gases for 1900-2000

You, your entire family, friends and everyone on this thread played a vital part in that statistic. Your personal lifestyles continue to pollute the atmosphere with carbon monoxide, hydro carbons etc. You all still do all that you do. Talk about yapping dogs crying foul. Hypocrites.


ED. I commend you on your dedication to your profession. Someone has to babysit those WMD's that your predecessors and peers designed and built. I love the fancy verbiage and title for "babysitter".

The latest "smoothed" 12 Month Mean "Surface/Satellite" running global temps. Notice how the RSS (NASA Satellite) and UAH (Satellite) are pretty much same same. Real Time Surface and Satellite show NO warming since 1999. Four (UAH, RSS, HADCRRUT 3 & 4) clearly showing the NO warming data since 1999. Keep up the bullshet propaganda guys. But the facts show the reality. ODD how the two US Gov't Agencies that require tax payer funding in order to exist, GSS (NASA) and NOAA are way off on the high end. Got to substantiate and propel the money coming in.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Satellite_Temperatures.png

It stopped. Oh the decline.

Such certaintanty about sh#t you know nothing about

Like I said ED, you don't "talk an alcoholic into quitting booze". They, the Alcoholic, must make that decision on their own. Daily. Sometimes hourly. They never quit booze. Booze always lingers and speaks to em in their head till the day they die. They just do not pick up for the day with the primary help of what science deems does not exist, a "Higher Power". If you ED, know "Bill", you would clearly understand and most certainly agree.
raymond phule

climber
May 24, 2013 - 09:43am PT
I like how an extreme value is used. It can make nice arguments like:

The warming stopped 98 (because that 98 is actually the extreme value).'
The earth has warmed considerable since 97
The earth has warmed considerable since 99

I am not sure but shouldn't we take into account the variability of the data in same way?
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