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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 20, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
US Annual Tornado Death Tolls, 1875-present
http://www.norman.noaa.gov/2009/03/us-annual-tornado-death-tolls-1875-present/

Year Deaths
1998 130
1999 94
2000 40
2001 40
2002 55
2003 54
2004 35
2005 38
2006 67
2007 81
2008 125
http://www.norman.noaa.gov/2009/03/us-annual-tornado-death-tolls-1875-present/

so will the deniers concede when there are 1000 deaths per year from US tornadoes?
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
Climate Change means weather changes/weather anomalies/more intense weather incidents/ warming in some areas/ cooling in other areas

Then I suggest you purchase a coat and hire some young Egyptian girls to fan you. Weather has been changing for billions of years. But one that sits in an office for 14-20 hours per day would not notice nor experience the realities that occur. More importantly, those realities that have. Your alarmist screaming voice is astonishing Mr. DrF. You most certainly should consider changing your avatar to Cryingwolf. Seriously.

edit.

Mr. Malmute.

You forgot to post this graph from your ref. Oh the irony. The deaths due to tornadoes have decreased. NOT increased. Wooof.



Year Deaths
1875 183
1876 51
1877 64
1878 102
1879 85
1880 256
1881 73
1882 200
1883 292
1884 252
1885 58
1886 129
1887 60
1888 48
1889 32
1890 244
1891 36
1892 114
1893 294
1894 124
1895 30
1896 537
1897 60
1898 162
1899 227
1900 101
1901 52
1902 157
1903 216
1904 87
1905 184
1906 70
1907 80
1908 477
1909 404
1910 12
1911 55
1912 175
1913 346
1914 41
1915 84
1916 150
1917 551
1918 136
1919 206
1920 499
1921 202
1922 135
1923 110
1924 376
1925 794
1926 144
1927 540
1928 95
1929 274
1930 179
1931 36
1932 394
1933 362
1934 47
1935 71
1936 552
1937 29
1938 183
1939 91
1940 65
1941 53
1942 384
1943 58
1944 275
1945 210
1946 78
1947 313
1948 139
1949 211
1950 70
1951 34
1952 230
1953 519
1954 36
1955 129
1956 83
1957 193
1958 67
1959 58
1960 46
1961 52
1962 30
1963 31
1964 73
1965 301
1966 98
1967 114
1968 131
1969 66
1970 73
1971 159
1972 27
1973 89
1974 366
1975 60
1976 44
1977 43
1978 53
1979 84
1980 28
1981 24
1982 64
1983 34
1984 122
1985 94
1986 15
1987 59
1988 32
1989 50
1990 53
1991 39
1992 39
1993 33
1994 69
1995 30
1996 25
1997 67
1998 130
1999 94
2000 40
2001 40
2002 55
2003 54
2004 35
2005 38
2006 67
2007 81
2008 125

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
Rick you are a fruitcake.
Do you have a graph for that?
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Once again the propaganda prevails from you alarmist. Not good. You are all just digging a trench that will indeed get you to Hong Kong soon. Very Very soon. Dig harder and deeper. Please.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 20, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
The deaths have decreased due to better construction & earlier warning from better weather models. Note that I did not state that deaths have not decreased; I asked if 1000 deaths per year would make an impact. But since you are desperate, you'll grasp at any straw.

My question still stands.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
With my long experience with trolls, I can assure you of one thing
That when individuals refuse to answer personal questions pertaining to their BS Identity
that it is a give away that they are trying to avoid the embarrassing truth
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
I asked how high the number must go before it makes an impact

More children died globally due to starvation and malnutrtion (not associated with GCC atal) today than all the Amerikans died the last ten years in tornadoes. You state nothing of that. Your priorities are skewed. Sad.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Busted

The Chief


climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites Oct 15, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Your ref states absolutley nothing in regards to the record sea ice and cold temps that the Antarctic is experiencing.

Oh, btw, the Antarctic is located in the Southern Hemisphere.

And nothing in regards to todays news that HADCRU now acknowledges that there has been NO WARMING in the last 16 years.

But please do not cite any facts... just demeaning comments. Seems that is all you alarmist will have going for you in the very near future when NASA GISS and NOAA concede to the no warming REAL TIME data. In doing so, it will destroy all the credibility they, HADCRU, NASA GISS and NOAA had in regards to their modeling stance.

As the Arctic warms at twice the global rate...

According to todays HADCRU news, there is NO rate as there has been NO WARMING the last 16 years!

The AGW house of cards just got blown to shet!
End of story!


we are all alarmists, now and then

Now what, The Chief??

fraud
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 20, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
Knott or The Chief I guess you can't see the forest because of the trees...deaths have decreased because we actually have a TORNADO WARNING SYSTEM---that you guessed it---based on SCIENCE :0

to use your phrase "oh the horror" that we have seen in Oklahoma City today...I hope that some of the people can be saved in the destruction and feel for the people with nowhere to go

if you really are worth 250 mil Rick I hope you open your heart to these people even if you won't open your mind up to us.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
word up,mountainlion
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
Right on cue. Deflect and then of course discredit any non-conformist. No "the Chief" here. Simply another independent thinker that appears to have the same "opinion" as this Mr. The Chief, blah blah, Mr. Sumner etal. Hard to fathom that isn't it. Please do continue. Humor us. At a minimum, you are consistent. Oh the horror.

Edit.

Mr. Mountainlion.

Warning system? Sad. Appears the system did not work today nor the other evening in Texas. All the children in the elem school stayed put as did all those in their homes. You would think that after all these decades, science would device structures that will withstand and protect. Not just keep researching to see if it is GCC that is causing more tornadoes to promote their theory.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Idenity denier? Go figure.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Why wouldn't GCC produce more weather anomalies/huge tornadoes that we are seeing on a regular basis the last 5 years?

The only people that deny it has an effect are the anti-alarmist BS snake salesmen, like The Chief
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Keep trolling Mr. Drf. You certainly are an expert at that. A+. Five *'s. You most certainly must be a part-time palm reader. Please do not consider it as a full-time occupation. You will then become another burden on the tax payers. A statistic of sorts.

Edit.

Mr. Ed.

I googled your name and came up with a surprise of a life-time. If you are indeed the same individual that is employed at the US Dept of Energy, then the hypocrisy is beyond imaginable. You work for the same Amerikan gov't agency that develops nuclear WMD's in the name of national defense. Talk about a "looser". Now that is sad news.

https://www-pls.llnl.gov/?url=about_pls-scientific_staff-hartouni_e
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 20, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
The warning system has saved countless lives since it was implemented that is a FACT.

This tornado was incredible in terms of it's size and strength. I will wait for the factual numbers in regards to it's size and wind speed and how long the wind speeds were sustained. Unfortunately sometimes tragedy's like todays cannot be prevented--no matter the precautions taken, type of construction, warning systems, etc...this was just a MASSIVE STORM and if you were in it's path NOTHING could save you except LUCK.

I'm thankful for these things based on science (that were lucky enough to have in the U.S. as opposed to the Philippines (where I lived this past year)

1)construction standards
2)warning systems
3)communications for everyone but especially emergency personnel
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Granted science has it's victories. That does not give it the right to play god and deem itself infallible and almighty. Exactly what you and the other proponents of GCC here and globally continuously propose it is. There are much bigger fish to fry in order to save the world for today. Not tomorrow. Not in the next 1-3 hundred years. Thousands die world wide daily from causes and diseases that science has yet found remedies for. Why not focus on those real day issues that are killing humanity. Solve them. Not continue with the proliferation of future science fiction political fantasy. Oh the audacity. Certainly.

1.778 meters and 10.5 stone.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 20, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Jeezuers Rick Sumner is himself i assure you..
Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
May 20, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
Knuttcase,

Ed has never hidden his identity.

I no longer think you are "the chief," though your tone and arrogant, verging on sociopathic, disdain for the science while hypocritically misusing the fruits of that science to triumphantly make unsupported claims to score points, are similar to the chief's, but at least the chief was not an anonymous coward and could be googled--and he is a climber.

You're just another run of the mill internet troll.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
Troll? Now that is hypocrisy at it's best. Mr.DrF is certainly your king troll on this thread. No match. He is #1. Squeals far worse than a rabbit caught in the talons of a hawk.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 20, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
but do tell, tell us why you think scientists are the same as politicians?

Each are supported by taxpayers? (Not all scientists, but many if not most, especially in fields like "climate science" where there isn't much of a free market demand for their product.)
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