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Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Mr. Mountainlion's claim.

even though I grew up in tornado alley we have seen more tornadoes in the last decade than most of my life combined.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&tn=7660
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Snow Sharks!!!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
I think we are once again being pelted by The Chief yappy dog
same anger, same agenda, same talking points, same misinformation sources, same disdain for science, same hate for the Gov., same delusion, same cult
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
May 20, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Honestly, the science deniers are a sideshow...good for a couple of laughs, but nobody takes them seriously. Clowns, really.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
because they prove you wrong and that pisses you off?

How can that be. I have nothing to prove wrong. I am not a theory nor hypothesis. Like the collected HadCrut global temperatures, I am real. Not a model that attempts to predict the future and has yet to be anywhere close to accurate. Consistently having to be corrected in order to appear viable. What was that you stated about politicians and BS?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
What was that you stated about politicians and BS?

I asked you to elaborate a bit about the statement that they are the same?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
I am going to call you Rick from now on out,like it or knott.
Same agenda,part of the 3%.
You should be proud.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 20, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Politicians and Scientists are one in[sic] the same. Take that for what it is worth.
Opinions are worth nothing. Opinions from someone who fooks up grammar and spelling are worth less than nothing.

EDIT:
the convention is to use one caret for each post up you are referring to.
ie ^ means previous post; ^^ means post above previous post.
Similarly, v or V is used for a following post

V try not to be such an ignoramus V
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Opinions are worth nothing.

You are indeed full of them. Opinions that is. Your meat is severely burnt. I believe a large fork is in order.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Oh My F-Ing Dog
have you seen the destruction that took place in Oklahoma today??

It's unprecedented!!
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That sad weather event has absolutely nothing to do with Climate Change. Do not even try to claim it was.

No one knows whether tornadoes have increased in number or intensity, since the aforementioned changes in reporting practices "make the intensity question harder to answer,'' Brooks said, adding, "If you take the data set of reports at face value, it appears intensity has decreased over the years, but there are a number of things that have led to lower ratings for the strongest tornadoes.''
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
^^^^^^^
Prove it!
I CLAIM it does.

and Not knowing if it does or not is No Proof
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Your fellow climate scientist say it isn't.

No one knows whether tornadoes have increased in number or intensity, since the aforementioned changes in reporting practices "make the intensity question harder to answer,'' Brooks said, adding, "If you take the data set of reports at face value, it appears intensity has decreased over the years, but there are a number of things that have led to lower ratings for the strongest tornadoes.''
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 20, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
Knots---I never posted any tornado claim--I did post a link in how the numbers were increasing AND I posted a link that provided analysis to why/how the dataset could be misinterpreted---I did this to show that even though I believe the climate is changing due to humans burning fossil fuels--we also take into account science that doesn't agree with our hypothesis...that is what intelligent adults do--look at the facts and try to understand them as it relates to the hypothesis or decisions that affect their lives.


Do you ever look at evidence that is contrary to your thinking and then change your mind based on FACTS????

Somehow I think the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
Try harder
I reject your proof as not pertaining to the issue

every year, the Tornados are more intense, as predicted to be consistent with GCC

Climate Change means weather changes/weather anomalies/more intense weather incidents/ warming in some areas/ cooling in other areas
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
With tornadoes, what we don't know is as much as what we do know,'' said Michael Wehner, a scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.

Global warming is making wet places wetter and dry places drier, and creating moisture-laden air that fuels hurricanes and snowstorms, making them much worse than they otherwise would be in a climate unchanged by human behaviors.

But we can't necessarily say the same the same about tornadoes, at least not yet


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar


But you alarmist will believe what you want to believe and do all you can to promote your fantasy. Next thing on your agenda, earthquakes and volcanoes.

Mountainlion, is it safe to assume someone else is posting for you.

even though I grew up in tornado alley we have seen more tornadoes in the last decade than most of my life combined.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&tn=7660
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 20, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
Mchale's Navy here is what I posted in regards to tornadoes that Knot is referencing:

Blah Blah here is a link to a site devoted to tornado data. The link I'm listing illustrates the month with the most tornadoes on record and the year it occurred to make a "perfect year of tornadoes". It is alarming that only one month is listed prior to 1990 and that month is in the year 1976 (all of the other months are after 1990 and most are in the 2000-2012 years).

Next up for me to research will be drought records...

here is the link for tornado data:


http://www.ustornadoes.com/2013/03/11/the-perfect-tornado-year/

Edt: I continued to do some research and found this link that also provides some evidence and commentary about data sets and data set analysis explaining why there are more tornadoes being documented now than in the past (this is an example of those of us who believe we can/need to do something about the climate actually giving the deniers a bone by stating why the numbers can be skewed).

http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/showthread.php?28890-U-S-Tornado-Statistics-and-Data-Set-Analysis

Edit


Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Next thing on your agenda, earthquakes and volcanoes.

really??,
is that your response?
so weak
I thought we were discussing GCC

Please answer my earlier question
How tall are you knotts?
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
Mr. Mountainlion

Your ref states absolutely NOTHING linking tornado frequencies to climate change and proof to substantiate it. Nothing I tell you.

http://www.ustornadoes.com/2013/03/11/the-perfect-tornado-year/

Science now assumes thus it is. Correct.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
yes ,how tall ?
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