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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
John, I think if you brush up on the merits and miracles of the trickle down economy, your questions will be answered. Most of the poor and downsliding middle-class are masters at making ends meet. Food would certainly become cheaper if we all became vegetarian. Maybe instead of crappy 4 cylinder cars, we could make more crappy 2 cylinder cars. The really snooty dudes would feel superior having 4 under the hood at that point. Increasing the production of AR-15s would go along way to making things better also. I don't have one yet - may as well get one. It is the way!

Oh, I almost forgot.....we need more stadiums! I've been thinking lately that for every bridge that collapses we should build a new stadium.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
Who said anything about organic? Clearly the future is Monsanto. Tomorrow you will be Round-Up Ready!

If Monsanto got its sh#t together, they could have insecticides that act preemptively on a variety of cancers. There is nothing we can't accomplish if we put our heads together. They should also just put the Round-up in the water supply and quick f*#king around.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
No such thing as a VEGEN that does not insist on organic

I said vegetarian...... And I did say 'if we all became vegetarian'. There's no f*#king way 7 billion and more will be eating 'organic'.
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Anyway, if you take into account the orbital and axial cycles, the fact we came out of a grand minima of solar activity coinciding with the little ice age, to the mid to late 20th century grand maxima of solar activity, then throw in fluctuations of oceanic cycles of differing frequency you can easily explain the 0.7 c global temp increase of the 20th century with only a feeble anthropogenic contribution.

This seems like you're leaving it as an exercise to the reader. That would be fine if we all had a background in this area. Hell it's typical in textbooks given that the reader has the appropriate background.

HOWEVER, very few of us here are climate scientists. For those of us that don't would/could you please fill in the details especially since you claim one can
easily explain
this? I'd like to see it spelled out with things that someone with a good undergraduate science background should be able to understand - equations, their basis, their solutions, and reasons for approximations used. Additionally if the approximations or equations are non standard please rigorously justify this. Lets say you keep it to a multivariate calculus level (you claimed it was easy, even implied trivial).

Since you claim it can be done easily you should be able to put it together as simple lecture notes in less than an hour or so...Sh#t if it's that trivial this shouldn't take you more than 15 minutes...Unless you can't, and then I wonder what that means?

kev
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Chief, I think Bruce is on your side more than you realize. You could argue with a rock.
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
yeah - you have a problem with that?

Wow, there are a lot of shoulder chips on this thread! I asked a very neutral question and it's assumed I'm against a progressive agenda.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
What's a vegen?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:06pm PT

Wow, there are a lot of shoulder chips on this thread!

What, did you think you could change the atmosphere around here? Here, you round-up to the lowest common denominator......and you don't want to show'em your chalk!
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Don't know about a vegen but I'm pro PETA - People Enthusiastically Tasting Animals! Meet is murder. Yummy, yummy, murder...

Sorry I couldn't resist :)

And is vegin a special gin?
jgill

Boulder climber
Colorado
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
What, did you think you could change the atmosphere around here?

Nope. Just survive it. It's a little like Jack Warner's paper mill on the Black Warrior at times!


;>)
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
Yummy, yummy, murder...

But in order to lower the costs of living for the 7 billion plus, that doesn't calculate. I hate to think cow pies will be a thing of the past. It's enough of a reason to de-populate now. I think quite a bit about cattle grazing in pastures and think that if nobody ate them.....well, they would have any life at all. Feedlots? Don't need no stinkin feedlots!
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
and I would suspect most point to greater progressivism in the economic sphere.

I took it as though he was being positive about progressivism. The only alternative is Soylent Green.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
No such thing as a VEGEN that does not insist on organic

More manufactured bullsh#t from Da Chief.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
Using the contemporary 'just in time' process of putting things together.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Somewhere in there Chief, if I really put my mind to it, I could find where you are arguing against your own best interests.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
I'm not assuming too much. I mean that in a positive way. You are OK in my book! Hey, I just found my bike shorts and am going for a spin. Later!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Please show me ONE VEGAN CERT'd product that is not also GMO Free Cert'd as well.

Vegan foods don't need to be certified 'vegan'.

Didya know that conventional apples and oranges are vegan foods? Do they need to be certified 'vegan'?

GMO corn, soybeans and papayas are vegan.

Jebus you are stupid Chief.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Please show me ONE VEGAN CERT'd product that is not also GMO Free Cert'd as well.

Look at that... the chuffer centering his drivel on some CERT process... ones he knows absolutely nothing about. How surprising.

http://www.vegangmo.com/?page_id=655
kev

climber
A pile of dirt.
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Repost AKA Still waiting the R. Sumner reply

Anyway, if you take into account the orbital and axial cycles, the fact we came out of a grand minima of solar activity coinciding with the little ice age, to the mid to late 20th century grand maxima of solar activity, then throw in fluctuations of oceanic cycles of differing frequency you can easily explain the 0.7 c global temp increase of the 20th century with only a feeble anthropogenic contribution.

This seems like you're leaving it as an exercise to the reader. That would be fine if we all had a background in this area. Hell it's typical in textbooks given that the reader has the appropriate background.

HOWEVER, very few of us here are climate scientists. For those of us that don't would/could you please fill in the details especially since you claim one can
easily explain
this? I'd like to see it spelled out with things that someone with a good undergraduate science background should be able to understand - equations, their basis, their solutions, and reasons for approximations used. Additionally if the approximations or equations are non standard please rigorously justify this. Lets say you keep it to a multivariate calculus level (you claimed it was easy, even implied trivial).

Since you claim it can be done easily you should be able to put it together as simple lecture notes in less than an hour or so...Sh#t if it's that trivial this shouldn't take you more than 15 minutes...Unless you can't, and then I wonder what that means?

kev
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Grow your own fukin food. That way you know where it comes from. Hunt, fish, provide for yourself. GMO my ass. If you rely on others to provide for your existence, you have no room to bitch
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