WBraun
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May 29, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
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you really do need to know something about math to understand this stuff.
Oh bullsh!t.
You guys and your puff up attitude that you're the only ones who are so called educated and smart.
Rubber stamp yourself on your forehead "I am Smart, PHd scientist"
Whoopty fukin doo!
It's us (scientists) that gave you modern technology they always say.
You didn't gives us sh!t ..... except "Hell"
After you created hell on earth with all your bullsh!t then you say; "Science is only answer to fix this hell we scientists created.
You guy fuk up everything first and then claim you're so smart by trying to solve all the fuk ups you made in the first place
when you've been told not to do those things in the first place.
Stupid.
I can work both sides of the fence ......
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 29, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
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Oh ,im out ,but i left a nice piece of Chef back there.
Thats evolution for you.
"I can work both sides of the fence", poorly is still working it.
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dirtbag
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May 29, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
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Gotta love knotty chief: never fails to open his trap about topics in which he is ignorant. That big mouth must be compensating for something.
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The Chief
climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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May 29, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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WILBEER: I would be very careful. As things are going with science, it just may mutate and terminate your ass.
Gotta love knotty chief: never fails to open his trap about topics in which he is ignorant. That big mouth must be compensating for something.
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! oh BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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dirtbag
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May 29, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
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Hey Werner, I have a piss poor grasp of math.. I don't opine on the science either: I leave that to the people who know what they are talking about and it ain't chief.
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WBraun
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May 29, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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Scientist don't ultimately know what they're talking either.
They guess everything even when they're told the truth they still guess and fuk everything up.
After fuking everything up then they try and fix it by fuking something else up in the process.
Fix one thing and break something else in the process.
Fuk ups from the start.
So this proves their whole process is defective.
But instead they all pat themselves on their backs with peer.
We are so smart ..... "Stupid"
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SCSR
Sport climber
CANON CITY COLORADO
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May 29, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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I wonce heard "OIL". Thats what makes the world move.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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May 29, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
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Tungsten will be the new "gold"....Heard it here first!
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WBraun
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May 29, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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Once you create a society of fuk ups everyone believes and has faith that's normal.
Have it your way since you're fixed on that anyways.
I ain't stopping ya.
A house full of fuk ups.
What can be done.
Just keep on Fuking up .....
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WBraun
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May 29, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
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You're total waste of time Bruce.
Just go on believing everything you believe.
Keep on arguing that you're so smart.
I work both sides of the fence .....
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 29, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
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Ive worked with polar bear concerns for well over a decade
Dude, so far you've shown your polar bear expertise by posting cartoon graphs from denialist blogs and lots of arm-waving, like about polar bears surviving higher CO2, while confusing Foxe Basin with Western Hudson Bay and showing you don't know strait from straight.
I posted some abstracts from recent research, but saw no indication you read those -- your response was the cartoon graphs, making that always witty argument called "But...but...but...ALGORE!"
Some populations are declining, some aren't, and some are unknown. More will be in trouble if sea ice keeps declining, because hunting on the ice is their livelihood. They also face serious threats from contamination, because as long-lived apex predators atop one of the planet's lengthiest food chains, they bioconcentrate and bioaccumulate some bad things. Finally there are hunting pressures, exacerbated if food scarcity drives them into more contact with humans.
As a polar bear expert you understand all that but forgot to say it, right?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 29, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
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Chef im going to die.FACT
The posturing you have presented.NOT FACT.
I am just a lowly carpenter with an age old geology education.I do not claim to know it all,never have . I have dilligently kept abreast of GW science since 78.
Denial has held up ,policy,progression and funding of most solutions. Hence my fierce problem with your loud 3%.
If this were a true democracy as you freedom fighters want,and WE all had a vote to accept/decline progession or regression of this very topic,whos ass do you think would be mutated.
Lunch is over,back to cutting rafters.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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May 29, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
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Chiloe,, NO bears are in danger of ice leaving. They WILL simply evolve with it. Just like they evolved from coastal brown bear populations to begin with. And, since the ice doesnt melt according to CO2 rises as shown in ice core sampling, its much a do about NOTHING.
edit : And i did peruse the references you posted..read many when they first came out.. (snicker)..
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dirtbag
climber
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May 29, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
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You don't know that At all Ron.
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WBraun
climber
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May 29, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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I'm a stupid American just the same.
Bruce ... Just fix it.
Quit wasting your time arguing.
The bottom line the climate is fuked up.
We fuked it up.
There's no one else to blame for fuking it up when we pollute the whole planet with all this unnecessary crap we "think" we really need.
We're all fuk ups .....
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The Chief
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Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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May 29, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
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Hey Werner, I have a piss poor grasp of math.. I don't opine on the science either: I leave that to the people who know what they are talking about..
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The Chief
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Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
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May 29, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
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^^ That's The Chiefs pet, little Knotts. ^^
Actually it's a photo of you and/or Dirtclaud
We're all fuk ups .....
The best and most valid post on this entire frkn thread.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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May 29, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
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Dirt,, yes i do know that. To think they cant reverse their evolving is silly.
Let me give you a localized example of "evolution" on our local Sage grouse populations in douglas county.
They were once plentiful on bald mtn, just east of Garnderville/Minden.
Then BLM ran sheep through their leks and roosts. Then a wildfire burned it 100%. Those birds didnt "vanish" as first thought by NDOW. They did not "die off" due to the loss of their food source either.
What they did do is MOVE. And moved to an area far out of their "norms" for habitat. They MOVED down into the TRE housing development areas where they are today. 3000 feet less in elevation, and NOT in the three staged sagebrush habitats they are known for. They now thrive in their new environment, much to the questioning of wildlife science.
much like the canary in the coal mine. Wildlife IS an indicator,, and the indications are of GOOD things. Nevada increased its elk tags by some 2000 this year due to overwhelming populations..
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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May 29, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
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Chiloe,, NO bears are in danger of ice leaving. They WILL simply evolve with it.
Let's see if you even understand evolution. How fast is sea ice area declining? How fast do species evolve?
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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May 29, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
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Let us say for example, the ice shelf's melt in the next five years. The Polar bears will move to the coastal outlets and begin to cross with the coastal brown bears from whence they came. Bears do three things, the play , they eat and they "screw".. They will not stop any of those due to any melting ice. They will mate with those coastal brownies slowly "evolving" back into coastal brown bears. The first cross being 50/50 and so on. The next generation will be less in bloodlines of the P bears and more of the B bears. Give it ten generations and walla...Hybrids would slowly disappear as the blood line thins in the following generations. Seals or salmon-- tomatoes -tahmahtoes...
heck they might even fornicate with an interior bear,, the "grizz"..
Polar bears are believed to be from a group of brown bears that became isolated during the freeze up in the Pleistocene period.
Much like the Choctaw bass has been "formed" rather quickly through hybridization..
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