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Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
This is for Mr. Mountainlion concerning his tornado claim. Comes from a very strong proponent of Climate Change periodical.

No one knows whether tornadoes have increased in number or intensity, since the aforementioned changes in reporting practices "make the intensity question harder to answer,'' Brooks said, adding, "If you take the dataset of reports at face value, it appears intensity has decreased over the years, but there are a number of things that have led to lower ratings for the strongest tornadoes.''
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar



The disinformation campaign can only survive for so long. We saw, as in the case of tobacco, there was a similar disinformation campaign decades ago to obscure the science and the scientific link between the use of tobacco products and lung cancer. But eventually the truth of what the science had to say became accepted. There are some positive signs that we are moving in that direction; the rest of the world is moving increasingly towards renewable energy .... We are lagging behind but we are slowly making progress ourselves.

Michael Mann, director of Penn State University's Earth System Science Center

I thought Mann was a scientist and not a policy decision maker/politician.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
Knotts or Rick said,"I am a human on this planet that sees a dire need to consider the plight of the people on this planet today. Not in a hundred or two hundred years. Hundreds if not thousands of Children are dying daily throughout the world of starvation and disease from poor sanitary and food conditions. Many have no homes nor education to speak of. None of this is caused by the climate. It is caused by poverty and lack of concern by the societies of the well off (Amerikans) that are too busy squabbling over the politics of whether or not the planet is warming and how fossil fuels are or are not the cause."


Just to be clearhttp://fec-individuals.findthedata.org/l/4563274/Sumner-Richard

So how many of us alarmists/climbers have done this?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 20, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
I'd feel strange giving somebody money who is already worth 1/4 billion (250 million) dollars and also has money in offshore bank accounts.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
Mr. Wilbeer.

Let's clear the latest C02 infested air. I posted that. Not Mr. Sumner. I contributed no moneys to either a political or science organization for their causes or promotions. Politicians and Scientists are one in the same. Take that for what it is worth.

Edit for Mr. Navy.

"I am a human on this planet that sees a dire need to consider the plight of the people on this planet today. Not in a hundred or two hundred years. Hundreds if not thousands of Children are dying daily throughout the world of starvation and disease from poor sanitary and food conditions. Many have no homes nor education to speak of. None of this is caused by the climate. It is caused by poverty and lack of concern by the societies of the well off (Amerikans) that are too busy squabbling over the politics of whether or not the planet is warming and how fossil fuels are or are not the cause."
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 20, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
You posted what? Oh, I get it now. And could you also post Mr. Mountain Lion's tornado claim? You could help out around here ya know?

Thanks for the edit.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
lets be clear knotts ,you and sumner are the same,Terence Wilson.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Politicians and Scientists are one in the same. Take that for what it is worth.

wow, I cannot think of any two groups of people who are most definitely NOT the "same"

politicians deal in BS and scientists rigorously test theories and get blasted by peer reviews


but do tell, tell us why you think scientists are the same as politicians?

because they prove you wrong and that pisses you off?


Ward Trotter

Trad climber
May 20, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
but do tell, tell us why you think scientists are the same as politicians?

Most of them get their paychecks cut at the same place.
Lol.
Couldn't resist that one.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Mr. Mountainlion's claim.

even though I grew up in tornado alley we have seen more tornadoes in the last decade than most of my life combined.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&tn=7660
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Snow Sharks!!!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
I think we are once again being pelted by The Chief yappy dog
same anger, same agenda, same talking points, same misinformation sources, same disdain for science, same hate for the Gov., same delusion, same cult
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
May 20, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Honestly, the science deniers are a sideshow...good for a couple of laughs, but nobody takes them seriously. Clowns, really.
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
because they prove you wrong and that pisses you off?

How can that be. I have nothing to prove wrong. I am not a theory nor hypothesis. Like the collected HadCrut global temperatures, I am real. Not a model that attempts to predict the future and has yet to be anywhere close to accurate. Consistently having to be corrected in order to appear viable. What was that you stated about politicians and BS?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
What was that you stated about politicians and BS?

I asked you to elaborate a bit about the statement that they are the same?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 20, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
I am going to call you Rick from now on out,like it or knott.
Same agenda,part of the 3%.
You should be proud.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
May 20, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Politicians and Scientists are one in[sic] the same. Take that for what it is worth.
Opinions are worth nothing. Opinions from someone who fooks up grammar and spelling are worth less than nothing.

EDIT:
the convention is to use one caret for each post up you are referring to.
ie ^ means previous post; ^^ means post above previous post.
Similarly, v or V is used for a following post

V try not to be such an ignoramus V
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Opinions are worth nothing.

You are indeed full of them. Opinions that is. Your meat is severely burnt. I believe a large fork is in order.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Oh My F-Ing Dog
have you seen the destruction that took place in Oklahoma today??

It's unprecedented!!
Knotts

Mountain climber
State of Reality
May 20, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That sad weather event has absolutely nothing to do with Climate Change. Do not even try to claim it was.

No one knows whether tornadoes have increased in number or intensity, since the aforementioned changes in reporting practices "make the intensity question harder to answer,'' Brooks said, adding, "If you take the data set of reports at face value, it appears intensity has decreased over the years, but there are a number of things that have led to lower ratings for the strongest tornadoes.''
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 20, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
^^^^^^^
Prove it!
I CLAIM it does.

and Not knowing if it does or not is No Proof
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