Just saw this and points to the realities of the Universe which science will never be able to clarify.
Another reason for people as myself to question the true authenticity of the AGW brigade.
Just a testimony as to how there is soooo much more at work that science will never be able to explain.
Human Intellect will never get this.
Recent headline of the San Francisco Chronicle. Female humpback whale who had become entangled in a spiderweb of crab traps and line weighted down by hundreds of pounds of traps that caused her to struggle to stay afloat. She also had hundreds of yards of line rope wrapped around her body, tail, torso and a line tugging in her mouth.
A fisherman spotted her just east of the Farallon Islands and radioed an environmental group for help. Within a few hours, the rescue team arrived and determined that she was so bad off, the only way to save her was to dive in and untangle her. They worked for hours and eventually freed her.
When she was free, the divers say she swam in what seemed like joyous circles. She then came back to each and every diver, one at a time, and nudged them, pushed them gently around as she was thanking them.
Some said it was the most incredibly beautiful experience of their lives. The guy who cut the rope out of her mouth said her eyes were following him the whole time, and he will never be the same.
Just saw this and points to the realities of the Universe which science will never be able to clarify.
Let me get this straight; science is a paradigm, a way of doing things to better understand the world and universe around us, and somehow a grateful whale makes that idea somehow limited in it's ability to be used as a means of learning and understanding?
How do you determine when something is beyond reach if you are going to stop reaching as soon as something interesting happens?
Just because we don't understand something now, we should not throw out the scientific method and just believe what old books tell us. How might we ever get along with the whale if there is no old book telling us what to think and if it's behavior is considered out of reach before we even try?
Sound like you are selling the whale a bit short. You are also saying that we should not try to understand the whale which is just another way saying that learning new stuff is bad because it might conflict with old books.
Sound like you are selling the whale a bit short. You are also saying that we should not try to understand the whale which is just another way saying that learning new stuff is bad because it might conflict with stupid old books.
Not selling the whale short atal. Merely showing how we are not the most intelligent of souls on this planet.
Why is it necessary to "understand" everything, state it as science and in doing so claim arrogantly that we do know it's foundations.
When in fact we don't know and in the long run, really does not matter because we can not.
The mere act of accepting it for what it was is far more powerful than ever even arrogantly proclaiming that we understand it.
I've emailed Chris, asking him to ban the chief from this thread.
Primary reason we kicked your British Empire Royal Ruling asses some 276 years ago.
Freedom from being "banned" for stating our ops and defending em.
Wow- this has got to be one of the most entertaining ST threads ever. I like the new theme of Chief's intimidation- the Revolutionary War. And tying this somehow to whale/human interaction is pure genius!
Much of this argument may be ultimately irrelevant. Let's suppose that "rapid" climate change is nearly all caused by the actions of mankind. Even if mankind knew that without controversy, would humanity be willing to make the changes on the scale that would prevent us from reaching the tipping points where it's too late and nothing could reverse it's course? Or would we find some sort of denial somehow so we could continue burning gas at our present rate and using up coal as other fuels become scarce?
I'm not optimistic given how humans have responded to things in the past
Wow- this has got to be one of the most entertaining ST threads ever.
Yes in the sense of two things:
1) Sensationalistic entertainment is what captures our collective psyche to beat anything else.
2) The most successful vehicle for mass entertainment of this era is the reality TV pick the scab off the every shmuck and stick a knife in it to see how much you can drive him into his most basic primitive impulses of survival and better yet, conquest.
This thread, thanks largely to The Chief but also to an extent all of us, has devolved into a classic Honey Boo Boo viscerally voyeuristic examination of the corpulent underbelly of our civilization.
The Honey Boo Boo, in case it isn't obvious, is the Chief - an easy mark and like all reality tv "talent", an all too willing ultra cheap sell out for some spectacularly bizarre prize compulsion of fame, notoriety, shameless exibitionism or what ever else will grab our attention.
We are no less morally suspect. I suspect if this was any legit forum for the topic, a conference room with doors for instance, he would have been allowed a minute or two of idiocy then booted out the door. This may seem "elitist" to some morons, but anyone can see that you have to prioritize where you burn your time and energy. The Chief soaks up a ridiculous amount of energy with practically no return.
Perhaps Chris Mac could introduce a "junk box" function? You know, a particular poster goes directly to your junk file where, if you are feeling sort of like groveling in the gutter you can go to satisfy your occasional twisted masochistic tendencies. Otherwise, the forum can proceed with only standard drunk brawling in a generally useful direction.
Let us know!