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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
WESCHRIST

I do not think you pay more than I do. You can't. You are unemployed, part of the modern day entitlement brigade thus you get it for free. Obamacare took care of that.

ok Chief,

I don't know if Weschrist is unemployed or not, and even if he was I can't see how that is relevant

but lets assume he is, you say he get health insurance for free and you say he gets it for free due to the new health legislation?

how so, Chief? what part of the legislation gives Weschrist free healthcare right now?

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
The Chief,what did /do you do for a living?

Saved peoples lives via the US NAVY SAR and C-SAR programs for most of my 24 yrs. Both in combat and non-combat globally including in Antarctica. Werner will verify that. Did several help extraction gigs with him back in the early 80's on El Cap.

Gotta problem with that Beer.

Edit.

Norton.

Come on. You know the gig. If one hasn't enough nor any funds to pay for their immediate health care, can prove they have LOW or NO income, the Health Care provider swallows the cost of services provided. Now more so after Obamacare. Fact. I have two guides that use that protocol when in need of services. One got over $30K in procedure and hospital care totally wrote off just last Fall.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
Not a problem at all.

I worked my way through college,paid for it myself and have been a self employed carpenter since 82.

Cool the rhetoric,AYE.
Problem with that?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
i have a problem with both of you.. Dang FLY FISHERMAN work WAY to hard to get a bait to the strike zone..;-)
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
I also spin fish w/good ole new york crawlers.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You brought it up not me. I could give a rats ass.

BTW: What was your major in college may I ask.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 23, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
GEOLOGY
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
havent fished live bait for decades i guess. Spinning and casting gear 100%. My "secrest weapon" the 1" black twist tail grub on a 1/32 head. I havent found a species that resists it. PERFRECT caddis nymph lookin sitch-shee-ashun
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Norton.

Come on. You know the gig. If one hasn't enough nor any funds to pay for their immediate health care, can prove they have LOW or NO income, the Health Care provider swallows the cost of services provided. Now more so after Obamacare. Fact. I have two guides that use that protocol when in need of services. One got over $30K in procedure and hospital care totally wrote off just last Fall.

if you are talking about indigent visits to the emergency rooms then that has been available for over 40 years with the cost of such care paid by a small portion of private insurers premium money with the majority of the expense being written off by the hospital as part of their "contract" to provide such services in addition to their full retail billing

in short chief, that has nothing, as in zero, to do with the new healthcare legislation

again, you leap to a conclusion based on erroneous assumption

stop doing that sh!t Chief, you are both smarter than that and don't need to do it

I have read the ACA, all 2700 pages, twice so don't give me any of that "you know better" crap
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Dang FLY FISHERMAN work WAY to hard to get a bait to the strike zone..

Absolutely incorrect. Gotta know what they want when and when there isn't a hatch. When that is figured out, game over. Strike on each and every cast. I hooked up over 100+ Bows last Thursday in a four period. It was amazing.

Some of my ties that the local Bows and Brookies seem to enjoy taking of late.

Edit.

Got rid of the photo. Too big.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Norton.

Not "indigent" to the ER at all. Both were completed after repeated out patient visits. One was actually "elective" in nature. Neither have any sort of med insurance for just that reason. For real. Not making this up.

GEOLOGY


And what profession have you applied that to in order to the serve the people around you.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
Chief,, Yur cast takes several "movements".. Mine, only one..Fzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzplunk...

And i can do it from a tunnel of vegetation in a two foot wide "crik" bent over like an L angle iron...Nice looking baits though! I notice you trend with mylar..
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Not true ron. That is a fallacy regarding fly casting.

With 50 feet of line out, I can either complete a Voodoo or one handed Switch cast and get my streamers out 40-50 feet.






Got em both down pat. They are very effective in the wind and when in very tight quarters as well.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
Sure you can,,, no doubt there. ;-)

I have fly rods, used them, but never could "get into it". Ill put a fly behind a clear float though lol! Aint beyond much when it comes to makin em bite.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 23, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
Norton.

Not "indigent" to the ER at all. Both were completed after repeated out patient visits. One was actually "elective" in nature. Neither have any sort of med insurance for just that reason. For real. Not making this up.

GEOLOGY


And what profession have you applied that to in order to the serve the people around you.

yet nothing you have said above refuted my contention that the ACA has nothing in it that is applicable to your statement that the unemployed (weschrist) is getting "free" healthcare specifically because of "Obamacare"

your other question? i am now, as of two months ago, completely retired

and I will hold up my "service" to my fellow Americans to damn near anyone else's service

be careful, again, of what you assume Chief
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
The GEOLOGY portion of that post was directed to WILBEER. Not you NORTON.

Now what was that in regards to "assume/ing".


As far as the healthcare issue, it is quite aggravating to go to my rural health clinic for my quarterly check up and see the waiting room 1/2 full of "no hablas" that most assuredly do not have any kind of health insurance to speak of. The rest of the story is obvious.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
May 23, 2013 - 04:51pm PT
Thanks for your service Chief...even though sometimes it seems that you regret it or the amount you were paid for risking your life while others made buckoo bucks doing legalized theft...we all wonder if we had made a different choice would we like our lives better---for me NO I haven't made good money helping others but I am proud of it.

I also like your looking at solutions like Natural Gas---much better fuel source than what is currently being force fed to us. Most of us would use a better fuel if it were available.

Renewables can and should be developed...if BIG OIL didn't buy up the companies that try to develope them MAYBE we would have a realistic, convenient mode of transport fueled by renewables now.

I don't like people taking advantage of the system just because they can (like the 2 guides you know) but that is exactly what the BIG INSURANCE COMPANIES do.
The Chief

climber
Climber from the Land Mongols under the Whites
May 23, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Norton.

The health care issue I speak of is overseen by the State, County and Local medical services providers. CA has one of the most backwards billing/payment operations in the Union. Bar None. Again, from what I understand, each service provider has their own set of rules here in CA. They are not mandated to follow any real set of rules. Even when they are contracted by the Govt (Tricare in my case) to do so. That system is so fked. Obamacare plugs in it's standards and makes the system that much more complicated. At least that is what the local providers billing office indicated to me just yesterday.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 23, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
A little off topic but i thought i would throw this in; Everyone here owes a debt of gratitude to The Chief and generations of his brethern before him. Without sacrifices of such men we probably wouldn't have the freedom to argue here with fellow idiots on the internet. From what i understand, The Chief lost 18 of his fellow shipmates and was himself wounded defending our beautiful country. Chief's, the highest enlisted rank in the navy, pretty much run the day to day nuts and bolts of the navy. This i know since my own Dad, god rest his soul, was a Chief Petty Officer in the navy, in combat during world war 11 and two tours in Vietnam attached to a Marine division. He, like the Chief was keenly intelligent and rightly proud of this country he defended. So guys, this memorial day when your enjoying a barbeque and beer tilt one in salute of The Chief's and the entire militaries sacrifices for this country.

Construction is going nuts up here, lots of military rotating in and out of the expanding nearby bases. Here in the valley we offer comparable homes to the nearby Anchorage suburbs for 100,000 dollars less. So i pop by here at the office every once in awhile to offer my two cents worth after quickly reviewing content.Cheers.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 23, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Damm Skippy,, Salute Chief.And ALL.
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