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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 22, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
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Boys? Ain't no cure for Little Man's disease:
Photocredit:Wedberg.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Aug 23, 2013 - 03:00am PT
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the chief do you have any other books written by a scientist who discusses climate change? If not then indeed you are taking the viewpoint you agree with and endorsing it (wich is not objective thinking--any college level essay requires you to research both side of your arguement).
If that is you in the orange shirt (on the pics previously posted--this page) please stop posting here and begin an exercise program---(this doesn't mean another day catching brookies--but it does mean swimming, jogging, riding a PEDAL bike etc.).
The exercise program will reduce stress and you will feel better about things in life...wich will make us all feel better...GOOD LUCK!!!
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thebird
Big Wall climber
palm desert, ca.
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Aug 23, 2013 - 06:59am PT
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I find it curious that, the Democrats so willing to kill coal power electricity in the U.S., while at time eagerly selling our coal to China.
Civilization rest on pillars of agriculture and industry; agriculture requires water and industry requires energy. Industry reduces the labor necessary for agriculture and made slavery obsolete, but presently industry supplies most of the jobs for a modern civilization. If I wanted to destroy a civilization I would cut off the water or the energy. Oh that's right, our government has already done that.
All we have to do now is wait.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:15am PT
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I think there's a better picture of him on Dingus' thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2208501&msg=2209012#msg2209012
TRAIN ENGINEERS or any other kind of ENGINEERS & ECONOMISTS are NOT SCIENTIST
Uh, you might want to have a word with the students and faculty at CalTech, MIT, Harvey Mudd, etc as well as most of the people working at NASA.
BTW- an opinion from an uneducated fool such as yourself is not "fact" no matter how much of a tantrum you throw.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:45am PT
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but presently industry supplies most of the jobs for a modern civilization
Incorrect. Try again. SERVICES sector provides "most of the jobs for a modern civilization.", not industry. This is common knowledge to anyone with a basic understanding of economics and labor force issues. The only cases where it is even close is third world countries and it is still roughly equal in those cases. First world? About 2:1 services jobs to industry jobs.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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...let's start picking on physical appearance like 11 year olds!
Just trying to meet him on a level he can easily grasp...
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:55am PT
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^^and quite a few of those in that group, agree with the basic consensus on AGW^^
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:05am PT
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Just wanted to make sure others knew that a lot of them agree with the basics of AGW, cuz we know you wouldn't mention it.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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Back when humans were largely nomadic tribes living off the land and not creating mountains of waste, the earth's biosphere was in balance. Then we began to see the advantage of farming and ranching. Still the Earth was cool with it. Then we realized that by adding chemicals and steroids to the mix, we could increase yeilds and profits, allowing some people to have more productive and leisurely lives. Soon signs of nature's imbalance became apparent- polluted water table, polluted atmosphere, increased diseases traceable to industrial run-off, extinctions, changing wildlife population dynamics.
Humans became concerned and pushed for more regulation of industrial waste. Slowly some reversal of the damage was made. But the companies that had their businesses regulated were not happy and fought every step of the way (and continue to do so) by using disinformation and self-funded studies to "prove" that the experts were wrong. Big Tobacco is the poster child.
Now we're finding that our atmosphere is changing in ways we didn't previously have the ability to understand. And it looks pretty bad for the future of mandkind if nothing is done to change it. Billions of people living in cities needing larger yeilds of food and energy to maintain their existence. And guess who's pushing hard to keep the status quo? Yes,the very same businesses that profit from it.
Do you think that by trying to reduce our "footprints" on the Earth, we might be able to bring the Earth back into a better balance, or should we continue on blithely thinking that we aren't causing any harm...
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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zzzz...science bashing...zzz
Cigarettes were conceived, manufactured, and promoted without an assist from scientists.
But you have never let facts get in the way of a perfectly good rant, or making yourself look like a fool. So please, carry on.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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Reading Dingus' post just about made me shoot coffee through my nose laughing.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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I'll give Chief Running Mouth credit for one thing: he may be short, but he can gobble some mighty big turds.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 23, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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Smoking has been hazardous for 7000 years. No scientists needed.
Industry using science is the problem, not science itself.
Science was the primary source of learning about the terrible consequences of smoking. Do you give them credit for that?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 23, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
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what then, is NOT Science?
pooping?
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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Please do explain how "YOU" are going to do that, realistically, as the population continues to grow at the rate it currently does?
By supporting legislation aimed at reducing emissions. By pointing out the fallacies that profit-motivated corporations and their paid politicians use to manipulate the undereducated/misinformed sheep in who buy into their Fox-world. By supporting businesses that promote eco-friendly products and avoiding the opposite.
There is a story about a young lady walking along the beach picking up starfish and tossing them back into the ocean after a storm that flung thousands of them onto the beach. Someone came along and said, "what difference does it make; so many are going to die, you can't possibly save them all." She replied as she tossed another back, "Makes a difference to that one." We can't individually fix the problem, but every little bit we do serves to mitigate the damage being done. The more that participate, the larger the effect. Sorry you can't seem to make that connection.
Research performed in an unethical manner such that it produces a predefined result is quickly rejected by the peer review system. The investigators are castigated and lose their ability to secure gov't funding or publish in any journal worth its salt. That's why big tobacco isn't publishing those studies anymore and have to fund anti-smoking programs and print warning labels on their products.
Universities and research foundations are very tightly regulated and scrutinized for breaches of ethics and therefore do not tolerate shady science for fear of the penalties. That's why we can trust the opinions of scientists working in these ivory towers and reject those who don't have strong credentials. Like you.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
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How are you going to reduce when the population is expanding and growing.
I know it's difficult for you to carry a thought from one line to the next when you're completely blinded by the Fox Illusion, but try and stick with me- by education, legislation, personal choices in concert with the increasing global awareness that something must be done.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
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oh lookie another sh#t show...chef is on a roll this week...
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