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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 01:23am PT
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So you want us to read Forbes Magazine? Read this instead folks. Especially read the summary at the end. Fred singer shows up again. I recognized the bullshit in Rick's Forbes link so I looked into it;
http://profmandia.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/forbes-magazine-wrong-is-right/
Yer putting on a good show with your circus act Rick.......It's circus, not science.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 01:30am PT
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That does not take away what Fred Singer is and the tabloid that Forbes is. Forbes should be ashamed to publish that trash.
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rick sumner
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reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 15, 2013 - 01:31am PT
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Sorry McHale-can't read it because its not on the "approved source" list.It's all entertainment McHale.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 01:32am PT
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You just keep getting educated your way - see if I f*#king care.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 02:32am PT
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You've mentioned that you are 'entertaining' us in 2 of your posts now. Is that how you cloak your stupidity, by calling it entertainment? I'm game if you want to rate ALL of your posts as entertainment. I certainly would.
I watched 40 minutes of your link there. So that's the Tayler that writes for Forbes - we learn he's with the Heartland Institute, and so far in the video, he mentions only one scientist at least twice - for moral for support, and that's Willie Soon! Clowns all around:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Willie_Soon
This is pretty entertaining alright!
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raymond phule
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Jun 15, 2013 - 08:54am PT
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You can not have it both ways. The Universe disallows it.
Yes, you can and your post is completely wrong as usual.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jun 15, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
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Funny climate PR news from China:
The right-wing Heartland Institute (US) issued a press release declaring that a Chinese translation of their publication Climate Change Reconsidered represents "a historic moment in the global debate about climate change" and that "The translation and publication of Climate Change Reconsidered by the prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences follows strong statements by the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Polish Academy of Sciences dissenting from claims that global warming is either man-made or a crisis. The trend toward skepticism and away from alarmism is now unmistakable."
But it quickly unfolds that that the Heartland declarations are plain false. The Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS), which Heartland claimed were endorsing their position, has issued a strongly worded and specific statement that reads in part:
"The claim of the Heartland Institute about CAS’ endorsement of its report is completely false....
If the Heartland Institute does not withdraw its false news or refuse to apologize, all the consequences and liabilities should be borne by the Heartland Institute. We reserve the right for further actions to protect the rights of CAS and the translators group."
Heartland press release (already amended to remove some but not all of the falsehoods) and the almost-instant rebuttals can be read here:
http://rbutr.com/rbutr/WebsiteServlet?requestType=showLink&linkId=96631
The Chinese Academy of Sciences, like its counterparts worldwide (the Russia and Poland claims by Heartland turn out to be false too), has thousands of researchers and much data of their own. They see that climate change is real.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
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It's a bit scary to think there is a Chinese version of the Heartland Institute. I know the HI lobbies all over the world. I would imagine that the Chinese in general have a very good understanding of what is happening to the climate, and that whatever Heartland types are there are in the minority.
A random link;
http://www.nawindpower.com/new_home.php
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jun 15, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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NcHale, in this case there is no Chinese counterpart to Heartland. The Chinese Academy of Sciences, a prestigious, legitimate and very large group, seem to be threatening legal action if Heartland does not apologize for claiming their endorsement.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
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I see, thanks for explaining. I did not read your full post but saw the story elsewhere and made a mistake speed reading it there. That's a relief!
May Heartland die a quick painless death. I suppose they have to be there though in a 'FREE' society. Pedaling ignorance is a virtue when it comes to free speech.
Here's a pretty straight forward summary of the Chinese situation. It is very pertinent to this thread. This website is from the AGW side of things, but once somebody realizes what the Heartland side of things is, who the f*#k wants to listen to them?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=2066
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 15, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
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I know you guys are all out enjoying some summer fun. Some of you may be in some very hot weather. If so relief is in sight. Below is a link to Abdussamatov's 2012 paper, wherein he makes some bold and soon to be testable predictions ;for the sun to go into a period of minima in the next several Schwabe cycles, and because of the Earth's positive energy imbalance, the onset of powerful negative feedbacks. In short, a rather deep and protracted global cooling. Because it was poorly translated from russian it reads somewhat awkward at times.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/abduss_APR.pdf
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 15, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
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Maybe the CO2 will save us from the cold Rick, but then, you don't believe it can trap heat. The CO2 concentrations are higher than in the witto bitty ice age and climbing. Let's see; warming lags CO2 increases you guys say.......we're going to have an ice age now?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 16, 2013 - 02:35am PT
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Rick doesn't know how anything works and does not care to learn. The above revelations about the Heartland Institute should be enough to make any intelligent person vomit. It is clear that the entire world is signed onto figuring out what to do about AGW.....even though nobody really wants to bite the bullet. There is no god-damned debate except in stupid backwater skeptics blogs. When we have people that can't even accept that it is people that are adding the CO2 to the atmosphere, when that is proven with no shadow of doubt, that it's not part of the normal carbon cycle, then we have some people trying with all their might (willful ignorance) to be just plain stupid. Somebody could tell them the CO2 came from Mars and they would believe it.....anything as long as people were not responsible for piping it out of the earth. Yes, kiddies, you see, those pipes go down and then they loop around to Mars. It all happens in the dark of night while you are asleep!
They can't be totally blamed though with all the trash out there on the net. At some point though, they have to take responsibility for what they are reading; like, is it kiddie porn or adult erotica? They need to learn to tell the difference.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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Yes, i do read the papers guys, very carefully. Of course i can't decipher the mathemathical equations but the papers usually have clear enough verbiage to understand. CO2 atmospheric concentrations do correlate with surface temperatures but people are all over the board temporally on whether it lags or precedes. Interestingly enough, the ice and sediment cores show CO2 lagging even though the warmists have spent huge amounts of time and money to reinterpret this. On another note their seems to be a growing consensus among solar scientists that we exited a grand maximum od solar activity in the 20th century and are on the downslope to a minumum, the depths of which is in question. This and its implications for CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and other negative feedbacks and Earths phase change from positive to negative energy flux are all testable by direct observation-over the next ten years.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 16, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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the ignoring of water vapors and other particulates in favor of CO2 shall continue im sure.
Water vapor is not being ignored. More CO2 and warming puts more water vapor in the atmosphere. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas as well of course. Warming expands the volume of the oceans as well, without the addition of a single drop of melted polar ice cap.
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McHale's Navy
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From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 16, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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I'll bet these are exciting times for realtors. Imagine the tug of war created by what various realtors believe about the future. If you are investing, what are you going to think? Would you at least be looking for some 'middle ground'?
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