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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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May 20, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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Honestly, the science deniers are a sideshow...good for a couple of laughs, but nobody takes them seriously. Clowns, really.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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because they prove you wrong and that pisses you off?
How can that be. I have nothing to prove wrong. I am not a theory nor hypothesis. Like the collected HadCrut global temperatures, I am real. Not a model that attempts to predict the future and has yet to be anywhere close to accurate. Consistently having to be corrected in order to appear viable. What was that you stated about politicians and BS?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 20, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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What was that you stated about politicians and BS?
I asked you to elaborate a bit about the statement that they are the same?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 20, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
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I am going to call you Rick from now on out,like it or knott.
Same agenda,part of the 3%.
You should be proud.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Opinions are worth nothing.
You are indeed full of them. Opinions that is. Your meat is severely burnt. I believe a large fork is in order.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That sad weather event has absolutely nothing to do with Climate Change. Do not even try to claim it was.
No one knows whether tornadoes have increased in number or intensity, since the aforementioned changes in reporting practices "make the intensity question harder to answer,'' Brooks said, adding, "If you take the data set of reports at face value, it appears intensity has decreased over the years, but there are a number of things that have led to lower ratings for the strongest tornadoes.''
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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Your fellow climate scientist say it isn't.
No one knows whether tornadoes have increased in number or intensity, since the aforementioned changes in reporting practices "make the intensity question harder to answer,'' Brooks said, adding, "If you take the data set of reports at face value, it appears intensity has decreased over the years, but there are a number of things that have led to lower ratings for the strongest tornadoes.''
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 20, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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Knots---I never posted any tornado claim--I did post a link in how the numbers were increasing AND I posted a link that provided analysis to why/how the dataset could be misinterpreted---I did this to show that even though I believe the climate is changing due to humans burning fossil fuels--we also take into account science that doesn't agree with our hypothesis...that is what intelligent adults do--look at the facts and try to understand them as it relates to the hypothesis or decisions that affect their lives.
Do you ever look at evidence that is contrary to your thinking and then change your mind based on FACTS????
Somehow I think the answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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With tornadoes, what we don't know is as much as what we do know,'' said Michael Wehner, a scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.
Global warming is making wet places wetter and dry places drier, and creating moisture-laden air that fuels hurricanes and snowstorms, making them much worse than they otherwise would be in a climate unchanged by human behaviors.
But we can't necessarily say the same the same about tornadoes, at least not yet
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/18/climate-change-tornado-intensity_n_3300098.html?ref=topbar
But you alarmist will believe what you want to believe and do all you can to promote your fantasy. Next thing on your agenda, earthquakes and volcanoes.
Mountainlion, is it safe to assume someone else is posting for you.
even though I grew up in tornado alley we have seen more tornadoes in the last decade than most of my life combined.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&tn=7660
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 20, 2013 - 09:00pm PT
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Mchale's Navy here is what I posted in regards to tornadoes that Knot is referencing:
Blah Blah here is a link to a site devoted to tornado data. The link I'm listing illustrates the month with the most tornadoes on record and the year it occurred to make a "perfect year of tornadoes". It is alarming that only one month is listed prior to 1990 and that month is in the year 1976 (all of the other months are after 1990 and most are in the 2000-2012 years).
Next up for me to research will be drought records...
here is the link for tornado data:
http://www.ustornadoes.com/2013/03/11/the-perfect-tornado-year/
Edt: I continued to do some research and found this link that also provides some evidence and commentary about data sets and data set analysis explaining why there are more tornadoes being documented now than in the past (this is an example of those of us who believe we can/need to do something about the climate actually giving the deniers a bone by stating why the numbers can be skewed).
http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/showthread.php?28890-U-S-Tornado-Statistics-and-Data-Set-Analysis
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 20, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
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yes ,how tall ?
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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Climate Change means weather changes/weather anomalies/more intense weather incidents/ warming in some areas/ cooling in other areas
Then I suggest you purchase a coat and hire some young Egyptian girls to fan you. Weather has been changing for billions of years. But one that sits in an office for 14-20 hours per day would not notice nor experience the realities that occur. More importantly, those realities that have. Your alarmist screaming voice is astonishing Mr. DrF. You most certainly should consider changing your avatar to Cryingwolf. Seriously.
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Mr. Malmute.
You forgot to post this graph from your ref. Oh the irony. The deaths due to tornadoes have decreased. NOT increased. Wooof.
Year Deaths
1875 183
1876 51
1877 64
1878 102
1879 85
1880 256
1881 73
1882 200
1883 292
1884 252
1885 58
1886 129
1887 60
1888 48
1889 32
1890 244
1891 36
1892 114
1893 294
1894 124
1895 30
1896 537
1897 60
1898 162
1899 227
1900 101
1901 52
1902 157
1903 216
1904 87
1905 184
1906 70
1907 80
1908 477
1909 404
1910 12
1911 55
1912 175
1913 346
1914 41
1915 84
1916 150
1917 551
1918 136
1919 206
1920 499
1921 202
1922 135
1923 110
1924 376
1925 794
1926 144
1927 540
1928 95
1929 274
1930 179
1931 36
1932 394
1933 362
1934 47
1935 71
1936 552
1937 29
1938 183
1939 91
1940 65
1941 53
1942 384
1943 58
1944 275
1945 210
1946 78
1947 313
1948 139
1949 211
1950 70
1951 34
1952 230
1953 519
1954 36
1955 129
1956 83
1957 193
1958 67
1959 58
1960 46
1961 52
1962 30
1963 31
1964 73
1965 301
1966 98
1967 114
1968 131
1969 66
1970 73
1971 159
1972 27
1973 89
1974 366
1975 60
1976 44
1977 43
1978 53
1979 84
1980 28
1981 24
1982 64
1983 34
1984 122
1985 94
1986 15
1987 59
1988 32
1989 50
1990 53
1991 39
1992 39
1993 33
1994 69
1995 30
1996 25
1997 67
1998 130
1999 94
2000 40
2001 40
2002 55
2003 54
2004 35
2005 38
2006 67
2007 81
2008 125
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 20, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
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Rick you are a fruitcake.
Do you have a graph for that?
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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Once again the propaganda prevails from you alarmist. Not good. You are all just digging a trench that will indeed get you to Hong Kong soon. Very Very soon. Dig harder and deeper. Please.
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
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I asked how high the number must go before it makes an impact
More children died globally due to starvation and malnutrtion (not associated with GCC atal) today than all the Amerikans died the last ten years in tornadoes. You state nothing of that. Your priorities are skewed. Sad.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 20, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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Knott or The Chief I guess you can't see the forest because of the trees...deaths have decreased because we actually have a TORNADO WARNING SYSTEM---that you guessed it---based on SCIENCE :0
to use your phrase "oh the horror" that we have seen in Oklahoma City today...I hope that some of the people can be saved in the destruction and feel for the people with nowhere to go
if you really are worth 250 mil Rick I hope you open your heart to these people even if you won't open your mind up to us.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 20, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
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word up,mountainlion
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Knotts
Mountain climber
State of Reality
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May 20, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
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Right on cue. Deflect and then of course discredit any non-conformist. No "the Chief" here. Simply another independent thinker that appears to have the same "opinion" as this Mr. The Chief, blah blah, Mr. Sumner etal. Hard to fathom that isn't it. Please do continue. Humor us. At a minimum, you are consistent. Oh the horror.
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Mr. Mountainlion.
Warning system? Sad. Appears the system did not work today nor the other evening in Texas. All the children in the elem school stayed put as did all those in their homes. You would think that after all these decades, science would device structures that will withstand and protect. Not just keep researching to see if it is GCC that is causing more tornadoes to promote their theory.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 20, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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Idenity denier? Go figure.
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