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Lennox

climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
Nov 14, 2012 - 07:01am PT
The Chief is not a raving lunatic, he is not at this moment a danger to himself or others, he does not state that he is hearing voices nor does he indicate that he is having hallucinations.

And not agreeing with a consensus of scientific opininion is not a sign of insanity, rather as in the case of Galileo, Thoreau and many others it is a sign of a healthy skepticism.

But it is the manner in which The Chief argues that speaks to mental illness. The vociferousness, the personlness, the dishonesty.


If you go back, he has argued this for the past three summers then taken a winter break. His psychologist apparently encourages his behavior on this forum as being somewhat therapeutic.


Perhaps we have been helping; is it either that he e-batters Ed and chiloe or he will literally batter his wife?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Nov 14, 2012 - 08:20am PT
By his own admission, the only thing Chiloe did on that paper, was crunch some numbers together back home in New Hampshire.

Chief, you are dishonest again. This is an endless rathole. I made no such admission. You weren't there. You haven't read the papers. You don't know how we did that research. What you claim is "by his own admission" is just another of your own false accusations, from a page or two back.

But this is endless, and a waste of this climate thread.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 09:49am PT
Chief Running Mouth strikes again.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:10am PT

But then that is all part of the ploy of your agenda.... got to defame, deflate, chastise and demean the opponent.

Dude, you are the biggest insulter here. Cut the horsesh#t.

You are a joke--crap like this is why no one takes your rants seriously.

WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:59am PT
This isn't working?

The scientist is calling "The Chief" a tool.

That's an insult implying because you're military you can't think for yourself even though you have to follow orders that don't agree to.

Khanom tries to get under "The Chief's" skin by implying to question all the chief's previous past service background calling him a "toilet cleaner".

And of course Dirtbag just uses his classic broad paint brush he generally uses such as "Chief Running Mouth strikes again." "You're a joke".

"The Chief" is calling out the "AGW folks" and claiming they are making "sh!t up" which is pissin off the "AGW defenders".

How in the fuk are you folks gonna figger this sh!t out, LOL?

WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:29am PT
Is there a YouTube video for every argument in existence?

:-)

I'm implying it isn't working as a debate to some extent with all the back and forth stabbing at each other here.

Of course it's nothing new.

It's a very interesting topic and I do hope it goes on whether knives, guns and words ...... :-)

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:40am PT
I love trying to be an across the aisle guy.

The Chief and I may not agree on some things, but I respect the hell out of anyone who dedicates a big portion of their life to military service.

I only served a few years, but I was in a nail eating outfit. So The Chief and I have some things in common.

What does this have to do with climate change? Hell if I know......
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:40am PT
Just saw this and points to the realities of the Universe which science will never be able to clarify.

Let me get this straight; science is a paradigm, a way of doing things to better understand the world and universe around us, and somehow a grateful whale makes that idea somehow limited in it's ability to be used as a means of learning and understanding?

How do you determine when something is beyond reach if you are going to stop reaching as soon as something interesting happens?

Just because we don't understand something now, we should not throw out the scientific method and just believe what old books tell us. How might we ever get along with the whale if there is no old book telling us what to think and if it's behavior is considered out of reach before we even try?

Sound like you are selling the whale a bit short. You are also saying that we should not try to understand the whale which is just another way saying that learning new stuff is bad because it might conflict with old books.

Dave

rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:42am PT
I nominate the azzhole the stooopid dog Malemute to be banned for being the biggest moron with all his stooopid dumb sh!t censorship.

FUK YOU Malemute

And no one would want to censor this spelling-challenged insult ridden crap?
WBraun

climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 11:55am PT
And no one would want to censor this spelling-challenged insult ridden crap?


Yeah it WAS an insult misspelled on purpose.

It was obviously done for explicit emphasis.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:13pm PT
Wow- this has got to be one of the most entertaining ST threads ever. I like the new theme of Chief's intimidation- the Revolutionary War. And tying this somehow to whale/human interaction is pure genius!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
Boots, Boots, marching up and down again........

So, American criminal, does this mean you believe in the jew book of fables where this man Jonah lived in the belly of a whale?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
Much of this argument may be ultimately irrelevant. Let's suppose that "rapid" climate change is nearly all caused by the actions of mankind. Even if mankind knew that without controversy, would humanity be willing to make the changes on the scale that would prevent us from reaching the tipping points where it's too late and nothing could reverse it's course? Or would we find some sort of denial somehow so we could continue burning gas at our present rate and using up coal as other fuels become scarce?

I'm not optimistic given how humans have responded to things in the past

Peace

karl
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:07pm PT
I like to think that The Cheif is not as stupid as he acts in these posts. I prefer to believe he is a consummate Troll.

I am aware of the possibility that my likes and preferences may not have any relation to the reality of the situation unfortunately.

I wanna hear the orca stories though.
Norte_Caroliña_Climber

Gym climber
BigWall Baller From the Holler
Nov 14, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Maybe you boys can help me out. I been cipherin over this a spell, and cain't quite pin er down.

Ya'll are talkin on the change in climate and the models and direct observin and such. And this Chief feller keeps talkin about all kinds of other random tidbits, substance abuse and his boat chiefin in the Navy, and all sorts a thing that I cain't for the life of me figure how they purtain to the changin of the climate. Kinda reminds a feller of my old great Aunt Bertie. We'd be talkin 'bout the Braves and their pitching staff and she'd soon be off on a ramble about the plot of her soap oprys and the best time to plant the 'maters. "What's all 'at got to do with Tom Glavine?" I'd ask.

Now my grandpappy and meemaw ain't real sure we landed fellers on the moon, cause that could just be like a soundstage hoax, like Star Trek, you know. But they's purty dang sure that the climate (weather, they call it) ain't what it was in the 20s and 30s.

So I guess I'm just wonderin on why this feller the "Chief" keeps demanding this and that and the other, on things that got nothin to do with the climate. Beats the heck outta me, but I'm just a country boy.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 14, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
I saw the pretty picture of the whale.

But it was posted by The Chief, whose posts I do not waste my precious time reading.

Did he manage to connect the whale with AWG??
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:41pm PT
To understand Chief you have to understand his new mantra:

SERE: Soft and Hard Cell are the clues to this madness.

SERE - Navy Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape course

Soft Cell, Hard Cell:

"I was driven to a fenced POW training camp. There I saw enemy guards interrogating other “prisoners,” slamming them into walls, humiliating them by having them stand naked while being drilled with questions and slapped in the face. They started working on us immediately, trying to get us to break. There were hard cell interrogations with guards shouting questions and slapping you, and soft cell sessions, where you were called into a warm office where a pretty woman or friendly guard would offer you coffee, snacks, and warm clothing." http://planet-wild.com/becoming-a-navy-seal/

The Chief is having a mental breakdown. He thinks he's currently in a prison camp being interrogated by Viet Cong. He is treating everyone else on this thread as if they are sadistic prison guards torturing him to confess.

How long until his next psych appointment at the VA Hospital?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
Does this explain the Chief's odd behavior?

A May 1989 service medical screening form for survival, evade, resist and escape (SERE) training shows that the line for whether the veteran had been seen by a doctor or psychologist in the past three months was unchecked. The veteran reported he was under no emotional strain at present. It was commented that the veteran no longer drank or was dependent, and it was not felt this would be a problem.

A psychiatric disorder was not diagnosed at the appellant's February 1993 separation examination.

In February 1994, the veteran filed a claim of entitlement to service connection for an anxiety disorder.

On VA examination in March 1994, the veteran reported symptoms of anxiety and depression over the past few months. He stated the symptoms increased since his wife left him in November 1993. The veteran reported he had panic attacks in 1989, which started following in-service survival training. During the training, he was "drowned" on a torture board, and since then he had nightmares of the incident. He reported being distressed about the flashbacks and nightmares. The veteran stated that he continued with the survival training since he volunteered to do so. Prior to 1989, he did not have anxiety or panic attacks, but since then he had unusual fears.

After examination, it was commented that the veteran by history had symptoms of anxiety, panic disorder, and symptoms suggestive of PTSD. The trauma in his case was the training he had received in the military. The drowning incident had affected his life quite significantly. Although he had PTSD symptomatology, his disability was related to associated anxiety, depression, and psychosocial stressors, particularly regarding his two difficult marriages. The diagnoses were major depression, recurrent, in partial remission; PTSD, delayed, of mild severity; panic disorder, in remission; and history of alcohol use, active.

By rating action of April 1994, with notice to the veteran in the same month, service connection for PTSD was denied. The RO determined that the VA examiner accepted the veteran's report regarding the incident in service at face value, and there was no independent verification that the rigorous training actually existed.

Evidence included in the claims file subsequent to the April 1994 rating action, includes VA treatment records dating from December 1993 to December 2002 that show treatment for alcohol abuse, PTSD, panic disorder, depression, and anxiety. A record from December 1993 shows the veteran was seen with sleep disorder. He had a history of anxiety attacks for three and one-half weeks. He reported he could not sleep, and was paranoid and edgy. He thought this related to his survival training in service when drowning was simulated. The diagnostic impression was anxiety/depression and question panic.

A record from February 1994 shows the veteran reported anxiety and panic attacks. He had survival training in service where he was strapped and tied. A few months later, he started having panic attacks. Stressors were trauma while in a service prisoner of war training, leaving service, break up of marriage, and finding a place in civilian life. The impression was dysthymia, anxiety, panic, and adjustment reaction to civilian life.

A VA record from September 1998 notes that the veteran reported that he had experienced panic attacks over the prior 10 years which he believed stemmed from specialized "POW training" in service when he was nearly drowned. He believed that he was going to die and experienced panic attacks and nightmares ever since. He stated he drank to avoid panic attacks. He also described problems with relationships, and wanted to be isolated. A December 1998 record shows that the veteran had PTSD with the traumatic event being well documented in the record.

A Vet Center record from November 1998 shows that the veteran reported that in service he volunteered for a survival, evasion, resistance, and escape school in May 1989. He reported being tied, stripped of clothing and beaten. He also reported that a bag was placed over his head, an unloaded gun was placed to his head and the trigger was pulled. With respect to the drowning episode the veteran stated that he was strapped to a table with a cloth over his mouth and was unable to breath and water was poured in his mouth when the cloth was removed and replaced quickly to prevent breathing. He reported experiencing panic attacks one month later and having violent nightmares. The diagnosis was chronic PTSD....

In response to a request from the veteran sent to people who had been in the SERE program with the veteran, Mr. G. stated that he would like to help concerning the VA claim, however all events that occurred during SERE school were classified and could not be discussed without the service's permission.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Nov 14, 2012 - 07:50pm PT
We've fully jumped the shark now. Or maybe it's a whale.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
The Chafe...I have a gut feeling just like you do but my gut is telling me that our winters are getting shorter...I base this on living in the sierra for 35 years and being outside most of the time while making causal observations ...What's your's based on...? Being at sea or in draught stricken Somalia while cherry picking a couple of minortiy scientists who dispute climate change...? My gut is bigger than yours so my opinion holds more sway Gunny boi...
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