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The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Oct 3, 2014 - 06:21pm PT
revenue neutral taxes...

Please do tell where the 100's of Billions in revenue will go and who is going to oversee the account.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 3, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
chief, revenue neutral has already been explained.
Or you can look up various methods yourself.

Carbon Taxes take in nnn, just like existing federal gas tax.
Reduce Earned income taxes the same amount nnn.
Done.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter

Oct 3, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
chief, revenue neutral has already been explained.
Or you can look up various methods yourself.

Carbon Taxes take in nnn, just like existing federal gas tax.
Reduce Earned income taxes the same amount nnn.
Done.

Right.. done.



Keep dreaming. You Tards will find so many "programs" to subsidize. Like paying for the education and health care of illegals or subsidizing GMO Farming etc etc etc.


Done.


Reduced Income Taxes?

So does that mean that this January when J Brown incorporates his new gas tax, my State Taxes will be reduced? Is he going to boost education funding? Or help implement drought reduction mitigation measures in the state?

NO! It means he is going to buy some useless $81.4 billion bullet train to go from LA to SF. That people like you and DMT will never ride cus you want the comfort of your own space.

Fact check that one Splater.

Done.


Dude... you are so bought and paid for. Pathetic.

Done.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
You want to see the latest Denier get together?


Here is an International one held in Aragon, Spain just last weekend where over 232,000 gathered for the three day event to watch these modern day gladiators...






The next gathering of this sorts will be next weekend in Japan, where over a quarter of a million "deniers" are scheduled to gather and show their unity.


There will be a total of eighteen of these huge gatherings this year alone.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 3, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 3, 2014 - 11:21pm PT
"So does that mean that this January when J Brown incorporates his new gas tax, my State Taxes will be reduced? Is he going to boost education funding? Or help implement drought reduction mitigation measures in the state? NO! It means he is going to buy some useless $81.4 billion bullet train to go from LA to SF. That people like you and DMT will never ride cus you want the comfort of your own space."

No, I (and apparently you) won't ride it because it will go from Fresno to Merced, or Madera to Bakersfield, in other words a train to nowhere as far as most people are concerned, and will cost more than an airline ticket. In other countries I have taken the train, because they design them to be useful.

I already posted a month ago how the Cal carbon trading fees will be spent and wasted. Did you finally get around to reading it?
I don't think states and localities should try to make significant policy on this. It is much better handled on the federal level. Just like Cal is now going to just follow EPA national mpg rules in the future, now that the federal rules have actually progressed.

The more people complain about a simple tax, the more likely they are to end up with a Jerry Brown type bureaucracy instead.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Oct 4, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Ok.. we tax their goods and they then they decide to no longer sell them to us. They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today. Certain them manufacturing nations will do their best to accommodate their financial status in order to sell their products to em.

Who suffers then, DMT.

Economists, after reading that.

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 4, 2014 - 08:41am PT
Like all them 3rd World economies ........


Its all "those" 3rd world economies.....

jeesh, ya fuking hill billy. Really Chuff, when you finally move to Kentucky or where ever else they appreciate your level of intelligence you should really run for public office.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2014 - 09:25am PT
They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today.

Brilliant!

Have another Guinness.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 4, 2014 - 09:33am PT
B.K. your comments might have a tiny shred of credibility if you did not
pour Budweiser, (imported from USA) over your cornflakes for breakfast!

At least had you figured as a Labatt-Blue-Light kind of climate fear monger.
You do know Molson poured over cornflakes the #1 breakfast in the provinces?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 4, 2014 - 11:39am PT
Modelling in action:
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-138.0,47.0,1400

This was not designed by a high school dropout.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 4, 2014 - 11:57am PT
Not much competition on the pathetic nature denialist side these days unless you count that hopeless alchy Bruce as having anything of value to say.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 4, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
"nature denialist" ?

step away from the blogs, rick! you are confusing fantasy for reality (but what's new).
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 4, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
Spare your self further embarassment by association with this shetfest thread, go back to your hidey hole Ed. Nothing to see here, none of your presented scientific explanations for the lack of projected warming can possibly be twisted enough to speak louder than the natural cooling that is underway. Nature wins, the bumbling utopian socialists lose.
jammer

climber
Oct 4, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
Sketch's dumb picture. Credit: Sketch
Sketch's dumb picture. Credit: Sketch
Credit: jammer

Sketch, your wonderful picture depicting the IPCC's apparent over-prediction fails to account for:

-the fact that the temperature is on a cycle, swinging up and down (but consistently going up due to AGW), so given the IPCC has given a straight line prediction, we would expect the prediction to be over or under depending on where we are in the cycle at the time we are criticizing the prediction. Incidentally, right now we are in a cyclical downswing, so we would expect the IPCC to be an over-prediction as of now.

-Another consideration is the changing circumstances in the future regarding atmospheric C02 content. On the current trend, next year people will emit more C02 than this year, and that trend will continue into the future. The IPCC's prediction takes this into account, so if you really looked at the long range of their forecast, the predicted future rise in temperature would bring that linear prediction up yet further, leaving us with a rational and accurate prediction for, say 50 or 100 years from now, if applied to 2014, to even more significantly over predict than otherwise.

As a result, your graph and the argument it sets forth is uninformed. It is a cherry picking of data (only using the time frame you do, the IPCC's forecast is long-term) in conjunction with a misleading argument, likely brought about from a fundamental lack of/misunderstanding of what is actually going on there.

Now, how soon you forget my jesting from but a few pages back. Remember this, in reference to your opinions?

derp derp...the AGW DuMb-Sh1tS don't come to the right conclusions..derp derp...however...derp derp derp...if I take this one particular sample of data from the last fifteen years, I can see some..derp derp...obvious pausieau...derp derp derp...


LOL! Come on, the derps are sooo old at this point, and getting to be as dumb as the arguments they make fun of. You have to have some new material by now...

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As for recognizing the existence of AGW leading to the "illuminati" dominating the globe, i don't know about that. If the energy source was not something that required constant military disruption of a foreign land, but instead was the sun, wind, water storage tanks which run on solar power to elevate water for future hydraulic electricity generation, etc., I would think people in general would be more enfranchised, not less. Without the huge social/military/political costs involved, the market would drive the price of power and technology down down down, especially with all the smart people in places like China and India.

Whats more, the only reason to go f*#k with those people over there, whoever they are and wherever they are, is because they have something you want. Now if everyone had the same awesome green technology/power, how would that not remove much of the impetus for people to want to "go f*#k with those people over there"?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 4, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
Basically global warming truthers are a spreading
plague of "Confirmation Bias".

Question: why isn't Ed H's picture prominently displayed in that wiki?
Blatant disrespect imho. And when can we expect a cure? These people are
suffering!
jammer

climber
Oct 4, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
Basically, nutty ass global warming denoiers are a spreading
plague of "Confirmation Bias".

Fixed it for you ;)

seriously though, the nutters reinforce each other. The fact that the issue is politicized, with the deniers believing what they do solely because the "other guys" think otherwise, has been documented time and again. The finger always gets pointed in the opposite direction, though. That's called "projection".

AGW is a reality person says: The scientists who study this say "......."

Denier person says: YOUR DIFFERENT! AGW's B.S.! WHATS MORE, YOU ONLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE BECAUSE I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE, AND YOU THINK I'M DIFFERENT!

AGW is a reality person says: Since us "not being different" requires that both of us not see us a different, I guess we are different, regardless of what I think. Ridiculous...

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