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Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Feb 23, 2015 - 09:12am PT
Bob D. - Is that more or less than 1968?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 23, 2015 - 09:31am PT


k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2015 - 09:38am PT
The Population Bomb. I see, it's a book written by a Stanford prof.
Certainly interesting.


The Ehrlichs stand by the basic ideas in the book, stating in 2009 that "perhaps the most serious flaw in The Bomb was that it was much too optimistic about the future" and believe that it achieved their goals because "it alerted people to the importance of environmental issues and brought human numbers into the debate on the human future."


BTW, what enables us to produce so much grain?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 23, 2015 - 10:11am PT
Sketch, could it possibly be that grain production goes up because of the demand from an increasing population?

Naw, that can't possibly be it.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Feb 23, 2015 - 10:58am PT
Farmers continue to deny there is anything wrong with the climate
and again have record harvests.

The Warmests concede they have failed in tweeking their scare tactic message about climate disaster in a way to trick farmers into not planting
crops. "It is our only hope now to cause a disaster", they say because the
actual climate is getting better for food production with increased CO2.


Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 23, 2015 - 11:04am PT
"It is our only hope now to cause a disaster", they say

Dave, are Sketch. EdwardT and the Chief your fact checkers? or (more likely) are you Sketch, EdwardT and the Chief?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 23, 2015 - 11:22am PT
Farmers continue to deny there is anything wrong with the climate
and again have record harvests.

Yield per acre has steadily increased over the last 20 years.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/datafiles/Wheat_Wheat_Data/Yearbook_Tables/World_Production_Supply_and_Disappearance/wheatyearbooktable03.htm
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Feb 23, 2015 - 11:27am PT
You climate change terrorists will fail in the effort to extort money
from us honest citizens.
Why? Because we don't make deals with terrorists.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 23, 2015 - 11:37am PT
Sketch, but what about the 'pause'?

How could yields steadily increase during the 'pause', Sketch?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 23, 2015 - 11:37am PT
You climate change terrorists will fail in the effort to extort money
from us honest citizens.

good one!

this from the 'honest citizen' who posts BS quotes and attributes them to "They."

Farmers continue to deny there is anything wrong with the climate
and again have record harvests.

Which Farmers?

The Warmests concede they have failed in tweeking their scare tactic message about climate disaster in a way to trick farmers into not planting
crops. "It is our only hope now to cause a disaster", they say ...

Which "Warmests (sic)?"
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 23, 2015 - 12:27pm PT
Which Farmers?

The ones who continue to enjoy record harvests.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2015 - 01:00pm PT
As opposed to those who have not.

Check out North Texas for an example.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 23, 2015 - 03:20pm PT
dave729 is pretty funny, once you see its schtick for what it is ;D

DMT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 23, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
Check out North Texas for an example.

North Texas? Really?

We're talking about worldwide production, which has steadily increased, for at least 20 years... and you bring up North Texas.

Did you know Traverse City, Michigan claims to be the "Cherry Capital of the World"?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2015 - 05:22pm PT
Ah, good point EdT. My bad.

Did you know that Castroville claims to be the artichoke capital?



BTW, what has lead to the increase in grain production? Are we getting more per acre now, of just farming more acres?

Think the upward trend will continue?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 23, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
BTW, what has lead to the increase in grain production? Are we getting more per acre now, of just farming more acres?

Think the upward trend will continue?

Wheat yield has increased from 2.48 (metric tons/hectare) in 1994 to 3.25 (mt/h) in 2014. The increase looks fairly constant.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/datafiles/Wheat_Wheat_Data/Yearbook_Tables/World_Production_Supply_and_Disappearance/wheatyearbooktable03.htm

I have no idea if the trend will continue. I kind of doubt it.

My point, in all of this, was to point out how wheat/grain production has done in the face of global warming.

We've been hearing about global food shortages for the last 50 years. The experts consistently get it wrong.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 23, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
My point, in all of this, was to point out how wheat/grain production has done in the face of global warming.


Used more water, quite simple.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2015 - 07:19pm PT
The experts consistently get it wrong.


If that were true, then a lot of stuff that we count on working would not work so well. For example, we trust that bridges are engineered properly, that airplanes will land amid a chaotic schedule, that our computers will transfer funds correctly, and lots of other stuff.

Just because you can point to a few cases where the "experts" did not nail a fine-pointed prediction doesn't mean that all experts are wrong.

But yeah, there have been some pretty whacky predictions.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 24, 2015 - 03:47am PT
what does completely independent, non-funded, peer-reviewed research conclude about "climate models"?

garbage in, garbage out


http://www.scibull.com:8080/EN/abstract/abstract509579.shtml


EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 24, 2015 - 04:50am PT
Willie W.-H. Soon is a co-author.

Is there a connection between this study and the NYT piece on his funding???

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