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Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 3, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
Most proponents of significant carbon taxes are talking about revenue neutral taxes. So any arguments about government wasting money are tangents, as that problem already exists. Government waste is really a separate argument. You could just as easily say the a carbon tax has already been paid back by Bush's tax cuts. All taxes and subsidies are fungible. Which means all budgets, taxes, EITs, revenues, credits, loopholes, brackets, deductions, expenses, etc: -
all have to be looked at as a WHOLE.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 3, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
The new tax is meant to force power producers to gradually move to cleaner sources to help reduce the country's greenhouse gas emissions and meet its voluntary target of cutting these gases 20 percent from 2007 levels by 2020.
http://www.trust.org/item/20140927000016-jx232/?utm_content=bufferfca9f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

start now, change gradually
or
start later, change abruptly
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 3, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
Trust me.



That is laughable.

You can read into it any way you would like.It is still coming.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
It is difficult for those in favor of actually accomplishing something to compete in the US with the no-nothings who are often elected.

You mean people like our black muslim socialist President?


No. Actually it's the obstructionist, science-denying, bought and sold, dumb-as-a-box-of-bait GOP Congressmen and Congresswomen.
new world order2

climber
Oct 3, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
Splater, (and or anyone else) is this the type of utopia you would have us all subscribe to (video below)?
That being, no meat consumption, no private vehicle ownership, no private land ownership, 400 sq. foot apartments in mega cities, etc. ?

Please view and reply, if you so will?..... http://www.inspirationgreen.com/planned-opolis.html

Edit to add: This (^^^) is precisely the said utopia, Al Gore types will have us living by 2040.
Edit the edit: Which to be perfectly honest, may not be such a bad idea, given the nature of things.

We're puct.


The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Oct 3, 2014 - 06:21pm PT
revenue neutral taxes...

Please do tell where the 100's of Billions in revenue will go and who is going to oversee the account.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 3, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
chief, revenue neutral has already been explained.
Or you can look up various methods yourself.

Carbon Taxes take in nnn, just like existing federal gas tax.
Reduce Earned income taxes the same amount nnn.
Done.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter

Oct 3, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
chief, revenue neutral has already been explained.
Or you can look up various methods yourself.

Carbon Taxes take in nnn, just like existing federal gas tax.
Reduce Earned income taxes the same amount nnn.
Done.

Right.. done.



Keep dreaming. You Tards will find so many "programs" to subsidize. Like paying for the education and health care of illegals or subsidizing GMO Farming etc etc etc.


Done.


Reduced Income Taxes?

So does that mean that this January when J Brown incorporates his new gas tax, my State Taxes will be reduced? Is he going to boost education funding? Or help implement drought reduction mitigation measures in the state?

NO! It means he is going to buy some useless $81.4 billion bullet train to go from LA to SF. That people like you and DMT will never ride cus you want the comfort of your own space.

Fact check that one Splater.

Done.


Dude... you are so bought and paid for. Pathetic.

Done.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Oct 3, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
You want to see the latest Denier get together?


Here is an International one held in Aragon, Spain just last weekend where over 232,000 gathered for the three day event to watch these modern day gladiators...






The next gathering of this sorts will be next weekend in Japan, where over a quarter of a million "deniers" are scheduled to gather and show their unity.


There will be a total of eighteen of these huge gatherings this year alone.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 3, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 3, 2014 - 11:21pm PT
"So does that mean that this January when J Brown incorporates his new gas tax, my State Taxes will be reduced? Is he going to boost education funding? Or help implement drought reduction mitigation measures in the state? NO! It means he is going to buy some useless $81.4 billion bullet train to go from LA to SF. That people like you and DMT will never ride cus you want the comfort of your own space."

No, I (and apparently you) won't ride it because it will go from Fresno to Merced, or Madera to Bakersfield, in other words a train to nowhere as far as most people are concerned, and will cost more than an airline ticket. In other countries I have taken the train, because they design them to be useful.

I already posted a month ago how the Cal carbon trading fees will be spent and wasted. Did you finally get around to reading it?
I don't think states and localities should try to make significant policy on this. It is much better handled on the federal level. Just like Cal is now going to just follow EPA national mpg rules in the future, now that the federal rules have actually progressed.

The more people complain about a simple tax, the more likely they are to end up with a Jerry Brown type bureaucracy instead.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Oct 4, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Ok.. we tax their goods and they then they decide to no longer sell them to us. They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today. Certain them manufacturing nations will do their best to accommodate their financial status in order to sell their products to em.

Who suffers then, DMT.

Economists, after reading that.

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 4, 2014 - 08:41am PT
Like all them 3rd World economies ........


Its all "those" 3rd world economies.....

jeesh, ya fuking hill billy. Really Chuff, when you finally move to Kentucky or where ever else they appreciate your level of intelligence you should really run for public office.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2014 - 09:25am PT
They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today.

Brilliant!

Have another Guinness.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 4, 2014 - 09:33am PT
B.K. your comments might have a tiny shred of credibility if you did not
pour Budweiser, (imported from USA) over your cornflakes for breakfast!

At least had you figured as a Labatt-Blue-Light kind of climate fear monger.
You do know Molson poured over cornflakes the #1 breakfast in the provinces?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 4, 2014 - 11:39am PT
Modelling in action:
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-138.0,47.0,1400

This was not designed by a high school dropout.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 4, 2014 - 11:57am PT
Not much competition on the pathetic nature denialist side these days unless you count that hopeless alchy Bruce as having anything of value to say.
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