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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 2, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
what would a crisis look like if you were in the middle of it?

interesting question... to which no one posting here could possibly have an answer.

The problem is one of risk, and estimating what might happen. Seeing what did happen, after the fact may not be such a great thing in this instance.

The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Nov 2, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
what would a crisis look like if you were in the middle of it?

Just like this ED Hartouni. Just like this. I was there, on Deck. An AIRLANT FD evaluator instantly turned Team Leader of four of the eight hoses that eventually extinguished this "chaos". Then I assisted in the body part recoveries after the "chaos" settled down. Eventually assisting in very extensive "Incident Evaluation" of this very chaotic incident.




Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:18pm PT
of course you think have an answer Sketch, an answer that re-enforces your general world view... but certainly nothing you could backup, you don't have any idea of what such a crisis would be.

I also do not, but that's the point, we have to judge based on our opinions, and our approach to risk management. That's not science...
...the science is quite clear on what is happening and why.

It doesn't depend on you opinion about what is happening.



good for you The Chief, you can take a look at what happened after the fact, you're ability to take that perspective during the crisis was nil.

The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
Busllhet ED. That incident was my ninth such event that I was a part of. I knew exactly what "chaos" was going to ensue as soon as I saw that T-2 veer stbd and then invert.

Ironically, that is what I was doing onboard the Lex. I was part of an evaluation team checking up on the flight decks operations in all scenarios. To be part of that team, one must have prior actual experience of such events.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 2, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
One category 3 hurricane, an extinction chart up to 2000 and one drought (much less severe than previous droughts).

Interesting how your trivialize these events.

Snady? Nothing but a minor thunderstorm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Sandy_in_New_York

Extinction? Who cares, right?
http://www.mysterium.com/extinction.html


But the most revealing is that you claim to know how severe the Western US drought is going to be.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:43pm PT
Weather happens KAVEMAN. A very rare weather event when two powerful cold fronts collide at high tide and you get a Sandy.

NOAA meteorologist Martin Hoerling attributes Sandy to "little more than the coincidental alignment of a tropical storm with an extratropical storm

NOT the first time nor the last this type scenario has and will occur.


But do keep up the Propaganda proliferation KaveMAN.
sci-fi

climber
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
I actually experienced Sandy, and it was pretty tame.
You should try being trapped on a climb in a real Patagonian storm.

As for the IPCC doom and gloom, it is not backed up by any evidence.
Extreme weather events are not getting more common.
Sea-level rise has not accelerated.
Temperature has not increased in two decades, despite record CO2-emmision.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
I actually experienced Sandy, and it was pretty tame.

oh, I guess all that reported destruction was some insurance company scam...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 2, 2014 - 06:56pm PT
The Chief, you trained for such occurrences because many similar things had happened before and the Navy had in place plans... in fact, you were trained to respond in a particular way, were deployed on the deck in a particular way, and reacted in a manner of "doing your job" that mitigated those crises, the risks were well known, and the mitigation of those risks programmed.

It is not to say that you and your crew mates didn't do an admirable job in that chaos, just that you had the deck stacked in your favor because of lessons learned.

For this crisis, there is no lesson learned, and no playbook on how to even recognize it happening.

sci-fi

climber
Nov 2, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
No, the destruction was because people built houses right at the coast without any form of protection. Just like in Florida.
Those guys could learn quite a lot by taking an excusion to Holland and see how it is done.
100% their own fault and has nothing to do with climate change.

Investments in adaption are far better given out that trying to control climate.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 2, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
wow^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Stanford ,aye?

Care to divulge your name?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Nov 2, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
No, the destruction was because people built houses right at the coast without any form of protection. Just like in Florida.
Those guys could learn quite a lot by taking an excusion to Holland and see how it is done.
100% their own fault and has nothing to do with climate change.

Totally agree. Attributing Sandy damage to climate change is ludricous and this is the sort of thing that gives a black eye to climate science and rise to the charge of sensationalism.

DMT

ps. Holland is doomed, btw.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Nov 2, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Nov 2, 2014 - 06:56pm PT

For this crisis, there is no lesson learned, and no playbook on how to even recognize it happening.

Yet you tell us and insist that your Climate Science and Models, do so.




No, the destruction was because people built houses right at the coast without any form of protection. Just like in Florida.

100% their own fault and has nothing to do with climate change.

Bingo and Spot On, Again!!!!
sci-fi

climber
Nov 2, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
40 published papers find climate sensitivity to CO2 is significantly less than IPCC claims:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/11/40-published-papers-find-climate.html?m=1

The IPCC models are pure science fiction.
However, one has to acknowledge the amount of spin and effort it must take to distort the science in order to give the politicians what they want.
This will surely go down in history as the greatest scam ever.
It is almost like living in a parallel universe when you read the claims in the news papers, and then look up the data, which do not support any of this nonsense. How can so many people believe in this crap?
FreedomFirst

climber
Nov 2, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/11/does-cloud-cover-explain-recent-temperature-trends.php

READ THIS....

Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Nov 2, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
What does The Milankovitch Theory say about future climate change?
Orbital changes occur over thousands of years, and the climate system may also take thousands of years to respond to orbital forcing. Theory suggests that the primary driver of ice ages is the total summer radiation received in northern latitude zones where major ice sheets have formed in the past, near 65 degrees north. Past ice ages correlate well to 65N summer insolation (Imbrie 1982). Astronomical calculations show that 65N summer insolation should increase gradually over the next 25,000 years, and that no 65N summer insolation declines sufficient to cause an ice age are expected in the next 50,000 - 100,000 years ( Hollan 2000, Berger 2002).
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/milankovitch.html
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Nov 2, 2014 - 09:00pm PT
“Science has yet to provide unambiguous evidence that problematic, or even measurable, human-caused global warming is occurring. The hypothesis of dangerous man-made climate change is based solely on computerized models that have repeatedly failed in practice in the real world.”]

WRONG AGAIN, what in the denialist idiot blogworld do they claim has caused the global warming so far? Cosmic rayguns?
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Surface temps have already risen by approx. .61 C, just since 1960.

"40 published papers find climate sensitivity to CO2 is significantly less than IPCC claims" Just like previous attention given to lowballers Curry, Lewis, etc, your denier blogs only look for those who underestimate global warming. There are at least as many climate scientists who think the IPCC is too low. That's why the IPCC AR5 is a consensus finding based on tens of thousands of papers, not 40. Read the report that enumerates likelihoods, fiction troller.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded a$#hat Sheep
Nov 2, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
Yo Freedom, could not agree more with the last statement in your ref...

Pretty much all hypotheses in the filed of climate science should be regarded as tentative, given the complexity of the Earth’s climate system and our rudimentary understanding of it. Alleged certainties about climate are the product of politics, not science.
sci-fi

climber
Nov 2, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
The most interesting part of the new IPCC report will be to count how many references they have to Greenpeace reports. They apparently think that kind of stuff should be cited along peer-reviewed studies:
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2560/leaked_un_climate_report_slammed_for_citing_wwf_greenpeace
sci-fi

climber
Nov 2, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
You may even call that self-citation, because ecofreaks have clearly infiltrated the IPCC:
http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/should_greenpeace_be_writing_ipcc_reports-80080
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