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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 23, 2015 - 07:18am PT
That is the more interesting question regarding AGW. What can we do about it? What should we do about it?

You seem to think we can do nothing and should do nothing. I'm thinking we can do a fair bit.. and should do at least some of it.

Especially we should do things that improve both our economic and environmental outlook.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Jan 23, 2015 - 07:42am PT
How 'Warmest Ever' Headlines and Debates Can Obscure What Is Imporant About Climate Change

http://nyti.ms/1ut3luf
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 23, 2015 - 07:44am PT
Ski, I NEVER said we should do nothing. I have stated numerous times on this thread that if we maintained the course that was set back in the 70's regarding cleaning up our act in our mannerisms regarding pollution etc, we would today be light years ahead in "alternative" energy's and behavior changes than we currently are.

Instead of maintaining that course, the science research community decided to add the AGW issue into the mix. In doing so, it stalled the global efforts to adjust our sails and moving forward in implementing the actions required to remedy our behaviors by insisting that science needs to concentrate on finding the reason why the climate is changing etc. Nothing really changed and we humans continued on our merry way of exploiting Mother Earth. Patrick Moore can tell you more about all that. He is a valid expert in it all.

40 years of CC/AGW research to find out what where and why all the while air pollution in China, India and other many locations on earth has gotten tenfold worse than it was back when all the CC research bandwagon all began.

Bullshet promises and skewed policies grow each day while those making those promise continue to behave in the manner that negatively impacts Mother Earth.


In the meantime, 2014 is .04C temps hotter than 2010 only because all the formulas and scientific processes tell us so and science insists they know how to control the Earths heartbeat known as climate.

Do they really? Don't think so.

BTW: The Hypocrisy prevails. Did you all watch John Stewart last night?

It's all about the MONEY and CONTROL of the people. Not the climate.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 23, 2015 - 07:51am PT
Did Bruce finally self destruct?

Yep Chief, it is dreams of power and control by a relative few that started this farce we found ourselves in. It didn't hurt the cause that politicians around the planet were convinced to join the bandwagon salivating over a huge increase in taxation for them to spend. Scientismists followed the gravy train and huge herds of angry and disaffected sheep were gathered along the trail.

I agree with many of the tenets of your philosophy that the late Frosty dubbed Chuffian Darwinism. Although , I also believe that unlike all the species before us we have the ability to forestall our demise and move out beyond the confines of Earth.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:17am PT
The excitement (and backlash) over these annual numbers provides a window into some of problems in the public discourse on climate. A lot of energy and attention is focused on issues with little relevance to actual decision-making and with no particular implications for deeper understanding of the climate system. In my opinion, the long-term trends or the expected sequence of records are far more important than whether any single year is a record or not. Nonetheless, the records were topped this year, and the interest this generated is something worth writing about.
Gavin Schmidt, NASA
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/01/thoughts-on-2014-and-ongoing-temperature-trends/
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:28am PT
I am impressed with the efforts being made in China. While not exactly my ideal of a place to live their government does have the ability to implement large scale projects somewhat more easily than our political process usually can.

Fantastic report touching on environmental and economic impact and proper planning. This article goes deep into nuclear issues but the early couple sections show a good overview of all electrical generation issues in china and their strategies and progress.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china--nuclear-power/

The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:34am PT
It didn't hurt the cause that politicians around the planet were convinced to join the bandwagon salivating over a huge increase in taxation for them to spend. Scientismists followed the gravy train and huge hetds of angry and disaffected sheep were gathered along the trail.

Precisely. But those that have jumped onto that gravy train will in fact tell you otherwise. It is obvious why. Self preservation.

Money and or Political/Social Control. That is the reality that Chiloe and others here will not ever divulge as the truth. Seriously.

Nonetheless, the records were topped this year, and the interest this generated is something worth writing about.

It's all about the funding, really. And for those that can't see that, take a good look at NASA/GISS's evolution the past 15 or so years. After the call for the cancellation of the STS program, Congress began looking at the tax payers funding that it directed to that Govt agency. When the heads of GISS caught wind of this potential demise in their funding, the CAGW propaganda machine began rolling hard and heavy from that particular agency.

Coincidence... nope. Self preservation.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 23, 2015 - 08:53am PT
TLP

We may not have had the strict definition of an El Nino this year but, there was a huge migration of the west pacific warm pool into the north pacific where the heat is dissapating into a cooling atmosphere. This skewed global temps this year far more than any other regional event.

Im sure you've seen the plots of global mean temps (and many regional) that show a prominent dip with the deep minimum between solar cycle 23/24. Since then we've had a cycle 24 with a double peak, the highest of which continued at least through most of 2014. Additionally it is not the small variation in Sol's total radiant output (the full range of output until now unwitnessed according to some prominent astrophysicists) , but the much larger variation of spectrum output and intensity of the solar magnetic output that effects climate on Earth. The IPCC ignores study of these effects, instead seeking validation by the so far observed .01 varistion in TSI over the course of the approx 11 year cycles.

Perhaps you are looking at the wrong metric by paying attention to the yearly release of gmst anomaly, which is widely known to be based on ginned up data and adjustment techniques. Maybe you should be looking at the globally increasing ice mass extent, duration and extent of global snow cover, variations in average global cloud cover, and the lack of verifiably increased rate of sea level rise as more telling metrics.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 23, 2015 - 09:06am PT
Standard operating procedure in any government entity is to systematically and consistently "cook the books" in order to maintain the revenue/funding so you can continue operating. If one does not do so, the funding QA system identifies the lack of increase in operational productivity/results and your funding gets reduced and in some cases, dropped.



If you do not bullshet the system in one way or another, the system will cancel your azz and shut you down. That is the reality that neither EDH nor Chiloe will ever divulge.


Seriously, this is really starting to get way too full of fantasia of doom and last ditch effort to perpetuate the agenda.

Scientists Warn We're Ever-Closer To The Apocalypse


That's according to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, which each year updates the hands on a clock meant to symbolize how close we are to the annihilation of the human race, or midnight. For the last three years, the world was five minutes from the end. Today, we're three minutes away.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/22/doomsday-clock-climate-change_n_6527714.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 09:40am PT
If you do not bullshet the system in one way or another, the system will cancel your azz and shut you down.

Looks like the Noise Machine is all powered up and ready to roll today.


We humans are NOT in control regardless what we do.

And The Chief would rather see us fire down the road with the accelerator floored as we can see we're approaching the cliff. Rather than try and avert disaster, The Chief would rather roll with the wind in his face.




"World leaders have failed to act with the speed or on the scale required to protect citizens from catastrophe," Benedict said Thursday at an event held in the auditorium of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "Stunning governmental failures have imperiled civilization on a global scale."


Got that The Chief, the American Association for the Advancement of Science. I can see that to you, they are just a bunch of clowns. And your ego-less self is so proud.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 23, 2015 - 09:52am PT
Got that The Chief, Got that The Chief, the American Association for the Advancement of Science

WOW. Kman... you really are starting sound like some religious fanatic that insists his religion and god have the answer. That the only way to salvation and redemption is by joining up and succumbing to it's ideological agenda.

Sorry Kman. the American Association for the Advancement of Science don't pay my bills nor do they pay the bills of the billions of other humans that live their daily lives with more important "pesky details" on their plates.

Rather than try and avert disaster

Really.... what disaster is that and how will your American Association for the Advancement of Science prevent that disaster?

Be specific.


"The Bomb is coming"!


And your ego-less self is so proud

Nope. Not proud. But you and your "ego" are running amok with this chaos and doom unless your "ego" based clan of individuals (Climate Scientist and Policy/Political Makers etc) is followed to the tee.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 10:07am PT
The Chief, perhaps you should read the quote that I posted for an answer to your question.

As for specifics on how to deal with our man-made problem, there are many avenues to pursue. But again, you will need to read, and understand what you read, to get a grasp. From what you've shown so far, this will take some real effort from you.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 23, 2015 - 10:09am PT
As for specifics on how to deal with our man-made problem, there are many avenues to pursue.

Let's see the "Beef" that by following your ideology, it will in fact advert this potential disaster.

No more of your politically hate based rhetoric. Meat and potatoes Kman.


Let's start with this one..

What really caused the temp spike from 1910-1945 when human emissions were 1/10th-1/20th of what they were during the exact same quantity and type spike from 1976-1998?



Answer that with proof and I will consider your rhetoric.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 23, 2015 - 10:10am PT
The members of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Science and Security Board recommend:

Take actions that would cap greenhouse gas emissions at levels sufficient to keep average global temperature from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels.

What would those actions look like?

If all the nations of the World agree do their part, what would be required of the US? What would be required of the average US citizen?
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 23, 2015 - 10:40am PT
I wouldn't hold your breath there EdwardT. All Kman does is parrot the ideology and agenda's insistent propaganda. Nothing more.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 23, 2015 - 10:46am PT
What really caused the temp spike from 1910-1945 when human emissions were 1/10th-1/20th of what they were during the exact same quantity and type spike from 1976-1998?

Your little meme didn't keep Muller from changing his mind.

It is simply decadal variation around the AGW forcing signal.


Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 23, 2015 - 10:46am PT
And that ED H is a perfect example of why the agenda of CAGW will fail and whither away. Self righteous and supposed more knowing attitudes that prevail in the CC Science community exactly as the one above, will indeed be the downfall of it.

It always has been. But you all are too deep into your ego to see that.


perhaps you're too deep into your own ego to acknowledge that someone might know something that you do not and that you should STFU and listen and learn. But you have never (ever) been able to do that in your life when it comes to subjects like science, mathematics, statistics (and generally "intellectual" topics). This is gleaned from your own telling of your biography.

Your populism is even a part of the justification of your ego's denial that these "intellectual" subjects could be at all important, and being unimportant (in your view) they can be ignored.

In addition, your ego is invested in "being right" so any discussion that seems to challenge that is met with a barrage of largely irrelevant noise, posted at 15 minute intervals throughout the day. That's a huge investment in time for someone accusing another of being a slave to their "ego."

What is it that compels you to defend yourself and your viewpoint with such vigor if not your immensely over inflated ego?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2015 - 11:32am PT
All Kman does is parrot the ideology and agenda's insistent propaganda.


The Chief lies. It's a bad habit.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 23, 2015 - 11:46am PT
What is it that compels you to defend yourself and your viewpoint with such vigor if not your immensely over inflated ego?
Low self esteem.

He's overcompensating.
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Jan 23, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
perhaps you're too deep into your own ego to acknowledge that someone might know something that you do not and that you should STFU and listen and learn.

All right, Ed! Tell it like it is!!

My wife often tells me I have two ears and one mouth because I should listen (at least) twice as much as I talk! Funny, she has to keep telling me that.....

Anyway, that might good advice for you to keep in mind, Chief.
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