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Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:51am PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Sep 10, 2014 - 08:25am PT
so you are shown to be wrong, you did say that there has been no warming over the last 17 years, yet you also asserted that no one could show that you ever claimed there was no warming...

you assumed something, didn't you The Chief...
and you are shown to be wrong.

admit it and move on...

How much warming have we had over the last 17 years?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:56am PT
EDH, allow me to reiterate my actual position and not the one you assumed was my position.

The observed temps below clearly indicate that the temps have in fact "STABILIZED" since 2004/the last TEN YEARS compared to the previous 17-25 years or so as evidenced by the graphs below. Interesting to note that 3 of the four data reporting entities do indicate that there has in fact been NO warming during that period.

That is what I posted EDH. NOT 17 years.





Compared to the previous 16 or so years prior to 2004:

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:00am PT
How much warming have we had over the last 17 years?

How much warming of what?

You treasure that talking point, how many times have you raised it? But can you read, write or think for yourself at all? Haven't showed signs of that yet.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:04am PT
But can you read, write or think for yourself at all? Haven't showed signs of that yet.
What do you expect from a high school dropout?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:07am PT
Hey Larry "Chiloe" Hamilton, what is up with this. Why did you not post up the comparable temps with your Law Dome C02 propaganda post earlier? And please do tell, what was the forcing mech that drove them temps up higher than current day temps back in the MED AGE? Surely wasn't the C02 now was it.




If you look closely, you will also see that C02 levels definitely LAGGED then FOLLOWED the temp drops around 1500 and then the ensuing temps spikes. Not vice a versa per the current theory of C02 forcing.

You can't make this shet up... really.


WTF is up with that????






Truly hope that you have the courage to "honestly" reply to the questions, Larry.
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:08am PT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH

Sep 10, 2014 - 09:00am PT

How much warming of what?

You treasure that talking point, how many times have you raised it? But can you read, write or think for yourself at all? Haven't showed signs of that yet.

The global (land & ocean) mean surface temperature.

Thanks for not being a dick... again.

Edit: This is where you get all haughty about my behavior.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:22am PT
Hmmm... look at them temps. Up and down and all around. They have yet to reach the high point set back some 5-600 or so years before the Industrial Revolution actually began

Chief shows once more he can't read the graphs that he copies. He's posted similar graphs, made similar mistakes, and been told what the matter is many times before, so there's no point in telling him again.

But for others -- a trick often used to pretend proxy temperature reconstructions show something they don't is to be fuzzy about the end point (final year). Limitations of data sources commonly make the proxy reconstructions end well before the present. For example, the Moberg northern hemisphere reconstruction copied by Chief ends in 1979. The authors are quite clear about that, but you can't see it from a 2,000-year graph (particularly one trying to hide this difference). What serious people do when they want to compare past temperatures with the present is to (carefully) fit the modern instrumental record into the proxy-temperature picture.

Another trick often played with proxies, on denialist websites, is to be vague about spatial coverage. For example, the Moberg reconstruction Chief copied is for Northern Hemisphere only. The Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age were both most pronounced in the NH, and some other places do not even show up. Moberg subsequently built a global proxy, and a number of sources draw comparisons between that and other reconstructions, with their uncertainties and the modern record shown as well. I won't go there now but here's a more reality-based Northern Hemisphere reconstruction, from the IPCC AR4.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:27am PT
The global (land & ocean) mean surface temperature.

Of course you are. But what else might be warming? What has been posted about that so many times here? Come on Sketch, can you think at all?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:28am PT
Larry!!!! I knew you did NOT have it in you.


The above post does not answer my initial question of why you DID NOT post up the corresponding TEMPS with your C02 spike for LAW DOME, Antarctica.


Nice deception Larry. Part of your sociological expertise that makes you such a good transmitter/promoter for the AGW fanaticism Industry.



Now, Larry "Chiloe" Hamilton, what is up with this. Why did you not post up the comparable temps with your Law Dome C02 propaganda post earlier? And please do tell, what was the forcing mech that drove them temps up higher than current day temps back in the MED AGE? Surely wasn't the C02 now was it.




Why doesn't the C02 levels indicator go beyond 1500 in your recent graph, Larry?






Probably because it does not show any upward movement/s during the temps spikes during that period and only facilitates your AGW bullshet? Whatta think Larry.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:37am PT
Why doesn't the C02 levels indicator go beyond 1500 in your recent graph, Larry?

It's sad, you really can't read even a one-line graph.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:41am PT
Not sad at all Larry.

This is more in line with the question regarding your LAW DOME C02 post earlier.

locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:42am PT

So it really doesn't matter how much smog and bullsh!t we put in the air, right???...

It's all AOK!!!...

No effect at all...




Good to know...




EDITED:

Acid rain does wonders for my Petunias...

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 10, 2014 - 09:43am PT
It is also sad that he asked of others what he is not capable of. A real mental case.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:01am PT
Hum, maybe The Chief thinks CO2 is lagging because of the way CO2 data was placed in the graph.

Chief, mentally move the CO2 line up in the graph and see if it still lagging.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:07am PT

THE REALITY, RISKS AND RESPONSE TO CLIMATE CHANGE

http://whatweknow.aaas.org/get-the-facts/
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:13am PT
Who needs science/data when we have the chuffer.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/co2-levels-in-atmosphere-rising-at-dramatically-faster-rate-un-report-warns/2014/09/08/3e2277d2-378d-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:27am PT
Who needs science/data when we have the chuffer.
Rational people.
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:28am PT
Of course you are. But what else might be warming? What has been posted about that so many times here? Come on Sketch, can you think at all?

You mean the oceans. Right?

I wonder why the first, second and third assessment reports barely mentioned ocean heat absorption... but then in 2007... after the "pause" persisted... we get:

Observations since 1961 show that the ocean has been absorbing more than 80% of the heat added to the climate system, and that ocean temperatures have increased to depths of at least 3000 m


How convenient.

It's intinteresting how the experts know the deep ocean temps going back 50+ years, even though deep ocean monitoring was sparse before Argo.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 10, 2014 - 10:44am PT
"A new U.N. report shows levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rising at a record-breaking rate, and scientists believe the record high levels are the result not only of emissions, but also of oceans' and plants' increasing inability to absorb excess CO2.

From the Washington Post:

...The WMOís data for 2013 shows the global average level of atmospheric carbon at just under 400 parts per million, about 40 percent higher than in ≠pre-industrial times and higher than in any other period in at least 800,000 years. The symbolically important threshold of 400 parts per million ó described by scientists as the level at which more dramatic climactic impacts become likely ó will probably be crossed in the next two years, the report said.
And from liberal news site ThinkProgress:

As the WMO notes, the ocean currently soaks up about a quarter of human-caused CO2 emissions, which has reduced the amount of observed carbon in atmosphere. However, the WMO report says the oceanís capacity for absorbing carbon is decreasing, which will eventually lead to a speed-up in atmospheric warming. Indeed, the oceanís ability to hold carbon is only 70 percent of what it was at the beginning of the industrial revolution. By the end of the twenty-first century, it could be reduced to 20 percent, the WMO said.
Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels aren't the only thing that increased this year: This January, the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication found that 23 percent of Americans do not believe that global warming is happening, up 7 percent from April of 2013.
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 10, 2014 - 11:11am PT
"A new U.N. report shows levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rising at a record-breaking rate.

Anyone have the annual rate of change for the last 50 years?

I wonder how last year's "record breaking rate" compares to other years.
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