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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 9, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
If you think some warming is happening, but that the alarmists are wrong, you might as well just come out and say that.

He has written to that effect.

DMT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
Hey Jammer, the models to back up your claim. Got em??




Also, you are fully aware of the large reduction of USHCN stations in the mid-70's not only in the US, but those from other entities globally.

Pretty coincidental that is when the "heat signature" started to climb.

jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 01:57pm PT

Hmmm.


Jammer, please do post up any of the 86 or so "PLOT's" or climate models produced prior to 2003 that clearly indicated the current pause/cooling as you state above.

Please do also post the ref with date and preferably one from a reputable Climate Science Research entity i.e. the IPCC, GISS, etc and not, Ed Hartouni, a physicist employed at the DOE or Larry Hamilton, a Professor of Sociology from UNH.

Thanks.

No problem :)

See the long-term data sets available here: http://www.skepticalscience.com/trend.php

Note the magnitude of the lumpiness. Early 2000's looks about right, and as a result the "decelerating slope" or whatever would be part of the prediction...

Pretty coincidental that is when the "heat signature" started to climb.

Again, we all agree the alarmists are wrong...
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Sorry ... no go.


The data for the models you posted are, 2011.


NOT prior to 2003.



Try again.



This time post actual models that are dated prior to 2003. Not current ones or current "calculators" with recent up to date data that has been, "smoothed".
jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
Sorry ... no go.


The data for the models you posted are, 2011.


NOT prior to 2003.



Try again.



This time post actual models that are dated prior to 2003. Not current ones or current "calculators" with recent up to date data that has been, "smoothed".

I am pointing out that the long term trend, you know the un-smoothed lumpy one the non-alarmist climate scientists refer to and have for some time, would go right in line with that quote.

Again, we all agree the alarmists are wrong...
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:03pm PT
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!


You have the burden of proof Frontal. Not any of us.


It is your claim/theory. Not ours. Validate it. It is YOUR "Homework".



Jammer:


I am asking that you validate this claim of yours with any models indicating such dated prior to 2003.

jammer

climber

Sep 9, 2014 - 01:18pm PT

"There has not been warming significantly, if at all, since 2003, as most everyone on all sides of the climate issue agree. "

True.

Lol. Again, vacuous if meant in support for denying global warming. not saying that's your position. Yes, the climate appears to be on some kind of cycle of warming, then cooling, with an overall warming trend, at least that is what all the data says. Additionally, looking at the plots produced by the supposed global warming conspirators, we would expect cooling to be happening sometime around about 2003...
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
Yup sure is.


Nothing from you as expected, consistent and so typical.

Boom Boom Frontal.





Waiting for Frontal's exquisite and fancy art work that he spends so much effort on during his quality family time.
jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
Chief, the link was asked for and given. You found some personal reason to ignore it apparently...
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:10pm PT
No Jammer.


That link displays ZERO models produced/published/dated prior to 2003. NONE.


Just a calculator with current recent various data sources.


Example:


Here is slick Jim's models from 1988. Notice the scenario c is if the C02 levels are reduced to below 2000 levels. That obviously NEVER happened per the latest headlines that 2013 has the highest recorded C02 levels.



His other scenarios indicate NO PAUSE or COOLING.



jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
No Jammer.


That link displays ZERO models dated prior to 2003. NONE.

What is your point? You need to explain that one...

The link provides a model of the LONG TERM data. If you play "lets picture an abstract concept in our heads" and subtract the recent data so the newest data was from, say, 1995, then extrapolated forward, you would expect to see the rate of warming "decelerate" and you would expect to even see it begin to cool off again.

Your argument that the data is post-smoothing, which you argue was done to take out the lumpiness in the data, is beyond weak since that data clearly shows the lumpiness which you argue was smoothed out.

Seriously, rid yourself of that dumb stereotype and just admit you were wrong...
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
Thanks for advertisement there Frontal. They are actually selling rather well and going up in many local folks home. The one you posted is in K. Daniels kitchen. You know who he is right. A real climber. Not just some once a month wanna-be "bailing" stooge as yourself.

Did you ever summit Denali with or without a guide service?




Seriously, rid yourself of that dumb stereotype and just admit you were wrong...

Wrong about what??? You smoking KaveMANs funkass straw too.


Jammer: you failed to validate your claim.


Let's try this again...

Validate the post below with a model dated prior to 2003. The one I posted by Slick Hansen in 88' is a good example of what I mean.

jammer

climber

Sep 9, 2014 - 01:18pm PT

"There has not been warming significantly, if at all, since 2003, as most everyone on all sides of the climate issue agree. "

True.

Lol. Again, vacuous if meant in support for denying global warming. not saying that's your position. Yes, the climate appears to be on some kind of cycle of warming, then cooling, with an overall warming trend, at least that is what all the data says. Additionally, looking at the plots produced by the supposed global warming conspirators, we would expect cooling to be happening sometime around about 2003...
jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:25pm PT
Jammer: you failed to validate your claim.

We will have to agree to disagree then.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:26pm PT
The link provides a model of the long term data.


Yeah, sure does. With up to date data. Nothing that ends prior to 2003 nor anything that was published prior to 2003.



What's there to disagree on.


Your post was bullshet and unsubstantiated.


jammer

climber

Sep 9, 2014 - 01:18pm PT

"There has not been warming significantly, if at all, since 2003, as most everyone on all sides of the climate issue agree. "

True.

Lol. Again, vacuous if meant in support for denying global warming. not saying that's your position. Yes, the climate appears to be on some kind of cycle of warming, then cooling, with an overall warming trend, at least that is what all the data says. Additionally, looking at the plots produced by the supposed global warming conspirators, we would expect cooling to be happening sometime around about 2003...


Here is Slick Jims original model. Notice that scenario A is what is currently happening today in regards to C02 Emissions. Yet the current Temps reflect a whole different story. They actually are closer to his Scenario C. But we all know that did not happen in regards to the C02 emissions.

Thus his model, Scenario A, is no where near what is reality as far as temps go.

jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:30pm PT
See LONG TERM TREND, which would have been what they would have referred to, even back then...


BTW, the #1 form of moderation which could happen on this site is preventing giant pictures.


When that happens, only the shet gets through somehow, as anything else becomes tedious...


Why again does Chief ALWAYS post giant pictures?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
Jammer... post up any LONG TERM TREND MODEL published/dated prior to 2003 such as Jim Hansens 1988 plot above. Not a calculator from a blog with current up to date data.
jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:36pm PT
From 1988 on? No way! See LONG TERM TREND, dumbass...
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
Dumbass?


Funny. Now that you can't validate your claim of the current "cooling" being forecasted in models prior to 2003, you start the proverbial name calling.

Right on cue.


Jim Hansens model was a LONG TERM projection published in 1988. His models FAILED miserably as did ALL the other models published/dated prior to 2003.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:42pm PT
Credit: monolith
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
Yup... thanks Mono for reiterating Hansens failure to forecast the current cooling trend along with unmitigated C02 Emissions.

Scenario B states the following.... "Reduced Moderate C02 Growth".

According to today's headlines from the WMO, C02 levels for 2013 are at an all time high. Nothing about any "moderate growth".

So is the WMO now full of shet in their claim, MONO?


Can you make one that looks like a hockey stick?

Nah. Not my style. But I can send you a six foot x 12" I Beam for $1000.00 that can be permanently inserted in your right ear and will easily slide all the way through and out the left. The slick jello in between the ears will easily accommodate that.
jammer

climber
Sep 9, 2014 - 02:48pm PT
Chief, you are literally a dumbass since you choose to misunderstand LONG TERM TREND. WTF about that term makes you think a prediction of it would use data that began in 1958? Seriously, do you claim no one was paying attention to all that pre-1958 temperature data back in 1990 or 2003? Seriously? Seriously? Wow...

Also, how many times do I need to write that we all agree that the alarmists are wrong before it sinks into that thick skull of yours, so your alarmist B.S. refutes my claims in what way again? You earn being called a dumbass here, that takes real work. Good job.
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