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The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 16, 2015 - 04:10pm PT
Where's the RSS, Chiloe.





And .079 C degs increase for the UAH over a 17 year period from 1998 to 2015 is NOT warming compared to the previous 14 years, 1983-1998.






Keep trying Chiloe.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jan 16, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
All the fish
that are no longer in the ocean
got what they deserved for using it as a toilet.
Imagine shytting in the ocean! Uhggg!
Stubborn fish can either embrace the clean planet movement or the
factory trawlers will cure their environmental blindness.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2015 - 04:51pm PT
Where's the RSS, Chiloe.

Here's your RSS, Chief:

None of the anti-science folks here seem to have read this when Roy Spencer posted it on his blog,
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/07/on-the-divergence-between-the-uah-and-rss-global-temperature-records/
or the first time I re-posted it here,
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2338032#msg2338032
or the second time I re-posted it here,
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2514048#msg2514048
So here's a third time for the science-literate to shake their heads, and others not to read.

Over the last ten years or so there has been a growing inconsistency between the UAH and Remote Sensing Systems versions of the global average lower tropospheric temperature anomalies. Since I sometimes get the question why there is this discrepancy, I decided it was time to address it.
....
As can be seen, in the last 10 years or so the RSS temperatures have been cooling relative to the UAH temperatures (or UAH warming relative to RSS…same thing). The discrepancy is pretty substantial…since 1998, the divergence is over 50% of the long-term temperature trends seen in both datasets.
....
Anyway, my UAH cohort and boss John Christy, who does the detailed matching between satellites, is pretty convinced that the RSS data is undergoing spurious cooling because RSS is still using the old NOAA-15 satellite which has a decaying orbit, to which they are then applying a diurnal cycle drift correction based upon a climate model, which does not quite match reality. We have not used NOAA-15 for trend information in years…we use the NASA Aqua AMSU, since that satellite carries extra fuel to maintain a precise orbit.

But, until the discrepancy is resolved to everyone’s satisfaction, those of you who REALLY REALLY need the global temperature record to show as little warming as possible might want to consider jumping ship, and switch from the UAH to RSS dataset.

Time to find a new talking point.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 16, 2015 - 05:30pm PT
Time to find a new talking point, really Chiloe?

What is there published margin of error? Couldn't be 250% of the claimed rise of .04 c ( that's four one hundreds of a single degree for those of you using english as their first language), could it? And even that tiny and phony value is the result of furious work at the fudge factory.

No amigo's, this release is just another political theatric meant to gin up support for the big Paris shindig.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 16, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
What is there published margin of error?

what do you know about "margin of error", rick? from my experience asking you, you don't have the vaguest idea.

sounds good to ask though, but it gets into a discussion you are ill equipped to comprehend.

The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 16, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
Hey Chiloe, love how you omitted this very pertinent portion of Spencer's satire regarding the RSS and how "YOUR" side was doing it's best to discredit it's data some FOUR YEARS AGO!

Anyway, my UAH cohort and boss John Christy, who does the detailed matching between satellites, is pretty convinced that the RSS data is undergoing spurious cooling because RSS is still using the old NOAA-15 satellite which has a decaying orbit, to which they are then applying a diurnal cycle drift correction based upon a climate model, which does not quite match reality. We have not used NOAA-15 for trend information in years…we use the NASA Aqua AMSU, since that satellite carries extra fuel to maintain a precise orbit.

Of course, this explanation is just our speculation at this point, and more work would need to be done to determine whether this is the case. The RSS folks are our friends, and we both are interested in building the best possible datasets.

But, until the discrepancy is resolved to everyone’s satisfaction, those of you who REALLY REALLY need the global temperature record to show as little warming as possible might want to consider jumping ship, and switch from the UAH to RSS dataset.

It’s OK, we’ve developed thick skin over the years. :) You can always come home later.

Gee, I wonder if some of all that green money will start flowing our way now? I’m not going to hold my breath.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/07/on-the-divergence-between-the-uah-and-rss-global-temperature-records/

So, as I stated earlier, keep trying.


It's not warming.


Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 16, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
What is there published margin of error?

Conversations with morons are unproductive.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 16, 2015 - 05:54pm PT
There's that science ego power tripping again.

"Only we the scientist can figure it out properly. Trust us."


sounds good to ask though, but it gets into a discussion you are ill equipped to comprehend.

Oh yeah, Americans really do have bigger fish to fry in their lives then CAGW....


Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 16, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
Nine of the 10 hottest years in NOAA global records have occurred since 2000. The odds of this happening at random are about 650 million to 1, according to University of South Carolina statistician John Grego. Two other statisticians confirmed his calculations.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/warming-earth-sets-record-for-hottest-year-again-1.2192046
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 16, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
"Only we the scientist can figure it out properly. Trust us."


But a navy man and a construction worker are much more qualified.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 16, 2015 - 06:31pm PT
Far better than a Pizza spinner/burner such as yourself Bobda.


VVVVVVVVVVVV And a full of shet NO WEIGHT Canuck Cheap Whiskey slammer VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 16, 2015 - 06:34pm PT
And you're pure Bullshet Brucee KY. Keep up the great work at letting us all know what a totally delusional psychopath is all about.
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 16, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
You really are a true idiot beyond idiots Brucee. Thanks again for reminding us how much of a real buffoon you are.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 16, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
Chuff wrote: Far better than a Pizza spinner/burner such as yourself Bobda.


You are a complete idiot.


A little man who couldn't get/keep a job expect on the government dole.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 16, 2015 - 07:37pm PT
10 new climate change controversies – now that the cause is settled
http://roadtoparis.info/top-list/10-climate-change-controversies-now-that-cause-settled/


How the world failed on climate change
http://www.vox.com/2014/4/22/5551004/two-degrees
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 16, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
Ah, nothing real and definitive to add except insistent personal insults eh Bobda. Good for you. You are the expert at that. And you are at least, consistent.

BTW, are you Brucee KY related? Or, are you an under the table couple?



Oh, did you even graduate the 6th grade, Bobda. You truly are a winner that lives on nothing more than table tips.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM

Jan 16, 2015 - 06:36pm PT

A little man who couldn't get/keep a job expect on the government dole.



“There remain significant uncertainties in the accuracy of the land portion of the surface temperature data, where we have found a significant warm bias. Thus, the reported global average surface temperature anomaly is also too warm.”

“More generally, we need to move beyond just assessing global warming, but examine how (and if) key atmospheric and ocean circulations, such as El Nino, La Nina, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, ect are changing in their intensity, structure and frequency. These are the climate features that determine if a region has drought, floods, and so forth, not a global average surface temperature anomaly.”

– Roger Pielke, Sr., professor of atmospheric science, Colorado State University



Recent warming trends are less than forecast by computer models

“With 2014 essentially tied with 2005 and 2010 for hottest year, this implies that there has been essentially no trend in warming over the past decade. This ‘almost’ record year does not help the growing discrepancy between the climate model projections and the surface temperature observations.”

– Judith Curry, professor in school of earth and atmospheric sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology


Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jan 16, 2015 - 08:04pm PT
"Oh, did you even graduate the 6th grade, Bobda. You truly are a winner that lives on nothing more than table tips."

Funny coming from you.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 16, 2015 - 11:31pm PT
What, Ed, does it matter what you call it. It can be range of uncertainty, an imagined 95% confidence level range, or margin of error. It all boils down to a ginned up guesstimate that just so happens to advance the radical AGW cause. That the tiny .02 GISS estimated record anomaly increase is 250% less than BESTS range of uncertainty means 2014's anomaly is statistically insignificant and certainly not an end to the pause.

Now why don't you fully peruse the linked article below. There is economic warfare quietly raging, new geopolitical alliances arising from necessity, and full cooperation at Paris will likely be a figment of the CAGW communities sick imagination. The world is a hungry and dangerous place, it's time to get real.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-losing-european-gas-2015-1
The Chief

climber
RFLMAO here on the Taco
Jan 17, 2015 - 06:23am PT
Fact is, they take all the data, throw it in a jar shake it up and spread it over the kitchen counter and the sheep don't know the difference.

FIFY as that is precisely what the NOAA/NASA (GISS etc) and the IPCC are doing. And that is precisely what all of you CAGW crackpot eco-freak utpoians are buying into and taking on board as the gospel truth. They know, the CC industrial research scientists, that no one but the insiders know the "system" of numbers etc. All they have to say is precisely what Ed Hartouni stated up thread about throwing them numbers out and no one except those in the know can explain them. Keep feeding em shet and keep em in the dark but tell em that the "consensus" of the CC science community knows the truth so they must be trusted along with all their policy recommendation statements.

Thanks Brucee KY for confirming the reality of this entire CAGW Industry propaganda numbers game in a single sentence.


It looks like Cruz is going to take some action on NASA/GISS and will have them thoroughly audited by independent sources to evaluate all this data and numbers mixing game. Fact is, NASA's GISS has never been audited by an outside entity. Never. And it is time that their "scientific" research processes be looked at and thoroughly evaluated.

The statement released yesterday by Christy pretty much raises the flag, again, on them numbers and why they do not add up according to the theory of CAGW and it's basic presumed consensus approved behavior...

“The satellite and balloon data of the deep atmosphere have 2014 in a cluster of warmish years well below the hottest two of 1998 and 2010. With the government agencies reporting that the surface temperature as highest ever, we have a puzzle. The puzzle is even more puzzling because theory (i.e. models) indicate the opposite should be occurring – greater warmth in the deep atmosphere than the surface. So, there are just many very basic and fundamental aspects of the global climate we have yet to comprehend.”

 John Christy, professor of atmospheric sciences, University of Alabama-
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 17, 2015 - 08:04am PT
Bernie Sanders Forces Republicans to State Their Views on Climate Change
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/bernie-sanders-forces-republicans-to-state-their-views-on-climate-change/?_r=0

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/climate-science-amendment?inline=file

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/229381-mcconnell-to-allow-climate-change-amendment-on-keystone-bill


http://environment.yale.edu/climate-communication/article/not-all-republicans-think-alike-about-global-warming/
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