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Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 3, 2014 - 10:36am PT
Norton

Sep 3, 2014 - 10:20am PT

gee Rick, do you still not know the difference between local weather and CLIMATE?

honestly, post after post, you prove that you just can't understand even simple concepts

grow up already will you?

What matters is you care enough to whine about it.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 3, 2014 - 11:28am PT
To continue that fairness, so too have climate change aficionados. Chicken Little comes home to roost, every night.
DMT, you are posting your opinion, which is worth zero.
The scientists were very conservative about doom & gloom predictions, and they were ignored. Now they are calling it like they see it, and they have scientific evidence to back it up.
If you had read any of my links, you would see that a carbon tax would help the poor. How is that a problem for you? You pay sewage fees, don't you?

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 3, 2014 - 12:04pm PT

you would see that a carbon tax would help the poor. How is that a problem for you?

Prolly cause we've seen this song and dance at every party.

Like the tobacco tax. Half the price of a pack is tax. Why? Because the government deemed that the product being sold has a negative impact. So the business model says raise the price to curb useage. But does that really work? On top of that, the tax monies were promised to help curb the negative results and addiction. have you seen any evidence from their promise?
Besides the negative commercials and ads that are designed to provoke guilt in the users(tax payers).

it's the oldest adage, levy some guilt levies money.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 3, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
Acid Rain denial
http://www.google.ca/search?output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=acid+rain+denial&btnG=&oq=&gs_l=&pbx=1

The folly of denial
http://www.queensu.ca/news/alumnireview/folly-denial

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Acid_rain#OSTP_report.2C_Fred_Singer.2C_and_denialism

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/04/02/205749/david-koch-industrations-acid-rain-climate-denial-polluter-front-groups/

http://www.republicreport.org/2013/alan-katzenstein-climate-denial/

Are we better off without acid rain? Yes!
Did the controls ruin the economy? No!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 3, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
DMT, you are posting your opinion, which is worth zero.

Like your posts are worth more than the electrons used to render them.

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 3, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
Big promises,Big lies

For example, in California last year, just one percent of that's state's $53 billion budget for K-12 education came from lottery funds.

Is The Lottery Shortchanging Schools?

"The net effect of say earmarked education lottery revenue on education expenditures is close to zero," said Clotfelter

The other big winner here will be the IRS -- the federal tax alone on a lump sum payment in the neighborhood of $100 million.

Back in 90 when they initiated the lottery they promised HALF the monies would go to schools.

Big Business, Big Politics, Big Promises = Big Lies
It's a scientific fact!
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 3, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
I rarely post my opinion.

I post links, usually from scientific papers, sometimes from universities, sometimes from media that link to scientific papers.

I'd be quite happy if a science literate moderator culled all the unsupported (or refuted) opinions from this thread.

But I'll tell you what my opinion is:
The scientists know what they are talking about. Their statements are the only thing that count.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 3, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
^^^one hand clapping?
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 3, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north

Sep 3, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
I rarely post my opinion.

I post links, usually from scientific papers, sometimes from universities, sometimes from media that link to scientific papers.

Boring!!!

I'd be quite happy if a science literate moderator culled all the unsupported (or refuted) opinions from this thread.

Well, aren't you just the little content Nazi.

This isn't a formal scientific forum. It's an "anything goes" forum on a rock climbing site. It's mostly unmoderated.

But I'll tell you what my opinion is:
The scientists know what they are talking about. Their statements are the only thing that count.

The only thing that counts?

Really?

That explains why so much has been done to combat anthropogenic global warming.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 3, 2014 - 02:17pm PT
As I said Malemute, none of your posts are worth more than the electrons used to render them.

Just what value is it you think you are bringing to this discussion?

DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 3, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
I post links to the science.
Those links are of no value to those that are anti-science.
Those links are valuable to those that are pro-science.

I also scorn the nutjob deniers like the chief, which is the only respect he deserves.

As for you, you have difficulty adjusting to a paradigm change.
I sympathize, but you doubters are making the situation worse.
You bitch about the costs, but your bitching will cost you more in the long run.
That is illogical.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 3, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 3, 2014 - 03:33pm PT
Link: This Changes Everything
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 3, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
Do you read the stories/articles/studies that you link?

Do you read them entirely?

Here's a recent post.


Did you read them all, entirely?

Or do you just post them... to make yourself feel smart?

If you do read them all, and understand the finer points, it makes sense that you would be knowledgeable on their content. And if that is the case, why don't you offer more opinions?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry ass blinded Sheep
Sep 3, 2014 - 03:45pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north

Sep 3, 2014 - 02:58pm PT

I also scorn the nutjob deniers like the chief, which is the only respect he deserves.

As for you, you have difficulty adjusting to a paradigm change.
I sympathize, but you doubters are making the situation worse.
You bitch about the costs, but your bitching will cost you more in the long run.

That is illogical.

And all your asshat has done to "mitigate" and walk the supposed talk is to continue posting your one sided ideological political bullshet propaganda and throwing your insistent personal attacks towards anyone that does not jump on your bullshet AGW ideological driven clown bus .

Good for you Malnuts. When are you headed over to Syria to join ISIL??? Clearly appears that you and they have much in common. Seriously.

Carry on Asshat Malnuts.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Sep 3, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
Internet on fly rod?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all you angry blinded asshat Sheep
Sep 3, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
Telepathy... strong and potent from any location on this planet.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 3, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
The EU emissions trading system (EU ETS) is a cornerstone of the European Union's policy to combat climate change and its key tool for reducing industrial greenhouse gas emissions cost-effectively. The first - and still by far the biggest - international system for trading greenhouse gas emission allowances, the EU ETS covers more than 11,000 power stations and industrial plants in 31 countries, as well as airlines.
http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/ets/index_en.htm

China set for nationwide carbon market in 2016
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2014/9/2/policy-politics/china-set-nationwide-carbon-market-2016
Sketch

Trad climber
Not FortMental
Sep 3, 2014 - 04:22pm PT
According to UBS Investment Research, the EU ETS cost $287 billion through to 2011 and had an "almost zero impact" on the volume of overall emissions in the European Union and the money could have resulted in more than a 40% reduction in emissions if it had been used in a targeted way, e.g., to upgrade power plants
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Sep 3, 2014 - 04:32pm PT


as of 2009


hi rez diagram at
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2011/01/28/CarbonWeb.pdf
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