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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 4, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
science vs bullshit
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
KMAN!

Sketch has your nutsack tied in eights as bad as I have Fortmental's tiny ovarie tubes all kinked up.

LOL to the MAX!


And you are supposedly some highly educated professional educator.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
Wow. I had no idea anyone could be more obnoxious than The Chuff... then along comes Sketch! What a troll. Anyway here's some more from that article about America Dumbing down:

If the rise in uninformed opinion was limited to impenetrable subjects that would be one thing, but the scourge seems to be spreading. Everywhere you look these days, America is in a rush to embrace the stupid. Hell-bent on a path that’s not just irrational, but often self-destructive. Common-sense solutions to pressing problems are eschewed in favour of bumper-sticker simplicities and blind faith.

In a country bedevilled by mass shootings—Aurora, Colo.; Fort Hood, Texas; Virginia Tech—efforts at gun control have given way to ever-laxer standards. Georgia recently passed a law allowing people to pack weapons in state and local buildings, airports, churches and bars. Florida is debating legislation that will waive all firearm restrictions during state emergencies like riots or hurricanes. (One opponent has moved to rename it “an Act Relating to the Zombie Apocalypse.”) And since the December 2012 massacre of 20 children and six staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in Newtown, Conn., 12 states have passed laws allowing guns to be carried in schools, and 20 more are considering such measures.

The cost of a simple appendectomy in the United States averages $33,000 and it’s not uncommon for such bills to top six figures. More than 15 per cent of the population has no health insurance whatsoever. Yet efforts to fill that gaping hole via the Affordable Health Care Act—a.k.a. Obamacare—remain distinctly unpopular. Nonsensical myths about the government’s “real” intentions have found so much traction that 30 per cent still believe that there will be official “death panels” to make decisions on end-of-life care.


And you seriously ask where is this large population of idiots rick? Like I said, look in the mirror. You have to understand that the whole world is looking at America, supposedly this great materially wealthy and technologically advanced Nation and all they see are a bunch of well maintained Talibanesque tinfoil hat fools, the only thing sustaining them being their advantage of rapidly fading wealth! That is really what you look like. The only reason there is any remaining semblance of respect has more to do with your military clout, not your moral bearing and certainly not your judgement. In other words there really is little remaining respect.

No Sketch or Chuff ain't hardly the biggest joke either, its you Rick. Here we have a guy that has spent the past X number of years plowing through the science of climate, an admirable endeavour except for one serious booby trap.... he began the project and continues to this day believing that all he needs to succeed is a little reading, a little mastery of the lingo then due to the unique singular exceptionalism of american piss and vinegar he can intuit right past all the egghead lab coats, something to do with years of squirting goo out of a caulking gun or something...

But really what difference is there between you and Ron anderson say, or Chuff? Nothing it turns out, except you're the one who wasted all his time memorizing words instead of blasting chukars or catching minnows.

You don't have to be religious to have your disease Rick, but it helps apparently. Just think of this one little statistic for a second.....over 40 % of all americans don't believe in biological evolution! Is that not a mind blowing percentage of dolts for the most powerful Nation in the world? Now guess what percentage of that 40 percent voted Republican?

Anyhoo you really ought to read that article, but i bet you chickened right out, confident in your own council that to do so was beneath your dignity or something. After that read Deer Hunting with Jesus

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
the USA has always had a high percentage of idiots
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north

Jun 4, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
the USA has always had a high percentage of idiots


For once I agree with you Malmut.


But, it's not cool to backstab a fellow Canuk like that.


Good on you.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
Watch out you radical canuckastani's
Once the pendulum swings back you peons just might feel new respect for the american " big stick". I can see Bruce and Malnutts as roommates in club Gitmo. Fukn morons.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
more choice statistics, demonstrating that the Chuff is hardly some lone wolf laughing at the sheep, as much as he likes to imagine it!

The American public’s bias against established science doesn’t stop where the Bible leaves off, however. The same poll found that just 53 per cent of respondents were “extremely” or “very confident” that childhood vaccines are safe and effective. (Worldwide, the measles killed 120,000 people in 2012. In the United States, where a vaccine has been available since 1963, the last recorded measles death was in 2003.) When it comes to global warming, only 33 per cent expressed a high degree of confidence that it is “man made,” something the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has declared is all but certain. (The good news, such as it was in the AP poll, was that 69 per cent actually believe in DNA, and 82 per cent now agree that smoking causes cancer.)

Just think about the meaning of those stats. Nearly half the population has significant doubts about the health benefits of vaccinations. Or how about one in five doesn't think smoking causes cancer? As bizarre as that is considering the facts, how does one form an opinion either ignoring or even in complete absence of knowledge?

Well look no further than Chuff or Rick sumner, where all you need is a "feeling" for something to form a certain opinion. In fact, it is your duty as a hot blooded American to form firm opinion on nothing but your true blue gut instinct. Hell thats what makes america great. The fuking scientists and their "stats" and numbers ruined everything.

Right chuff?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:21pm PT
Sumner... you're too light and chicken to put me in Gitmo. Besides, the irony is that as the article says, your damn ignorance and arrogance is too contagious but Gitmo is too damn small for the entire Red states of america....


If ignorance is contagious, it’s high time to put the United States in quarantine.

Americans have long worried that their education system is leaving their children behind. With good reason: national exams consistently reveal how little the kids actually know. In the last set, administered in 2010 (more are scheduled for this spring), most fourth graders were unable to explain why Abraham Lincoln was an important figure, and only half were able to order North America, the U.S., California and Los Angeles by size. Results in civics were similarly dismal. While math and reading scores have improved over the years, economics remains the “best” subject, with 42 per cent of high school seniors deemed “proficient.”

They don’t appear to be getting much smarter as they age. A 2013 survey of 166,000 adults across 20 countries that tested math, reading and technological problem-solving found Americans to be below the international average in every category. (Japan, Finland, Canada, South Korea and Slovakia were among the 11 nations that scored significantly higher.)

The trends are not encouraging. In 1978, 42 per cent of Americans reported that they had read 11 or more books in the past year. In 2014, just 28 per cent can say the same, while 23 per cent proudly admit to not having read even one, up from eight per cent in 1978.


Another cool stat - 25% of Americans not only have never read a single book.... they are proud of it!

Gun manuals don't count either... as books that is, even if they certainly are something to be proud of eh? Nice sentiments there Rick, when you get asswhipped with words, threaten violence eh mr intellectual science man?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
Have a bad day in the market Bruce? Aint you full of piss and vinegar tonight. What ,you onto the second liter of that god awful and cheap ass canadian whisky? Go to sleep before you hurt yourself pounding away on that keyboard.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
Now I know you still haven't read the article rick - not because you are functionally illiterate like some, more because you hope not to see yourself in the mirror - so Here's a few more cuts:

An aversion to complexity—at least when communicating with the public—can also be seen in the types of answers politicians now provide the media. The average length of a sound bite by a presidential candidate in 1968 was 42.3 seconds. Two decades later, it was 9.8 seconds. Today, it’s just a touch over seven seconds and well on its way to being supplanted by 140-character Twitter bursts.

Little wonder then that distrust—of leaders, institutions, experts, and those who report on them—is rampant. A YouGov poll conducted last December found that three-quarters of Americans agreed that science is a force for good in the world. Yet when asked if they truly believe what scientists tell them, only 36 per cent of respondents said yes. Just 12 per cent expressed strong confidence in the press to accurately report scientific findings. (Although according to a 2012 paper by Gordon Gauchat, a University of North Carolina sociologist, the erosion of trust in science over the past 40 years has been almost exclusively confined to two groups: conservatives and regular churchgoers. Counterintuitively, it is the most highly educated among them—with post-secondary education—who harbour the strongest doubts.)

Isn't that funny that the most educated are the most firm in the certainty of their opinion? Sure it sounds right - the more you know the more certain... right? But wait - did you ever bother to read up on your dunning Krugger syndrome? If you know anything about that, as well as if you actually had any depth of experience in any domain of technical scientific enquiry, you'd know that something of the opposite occurs, due to .....you become aware of uncertainty as a functional reality. Which of course means that your own beliefs can be proven wrong, given a weight of evidence.

But you don't truck with that weak kneed librul wishy washy stuff do you? It sounds too

humiliating
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
I don't drink Canadian Whiskey. Its almost as bad as american Whiskey. But if I did even to excess you'd still be too damn chicken to debate your understanding of judgement wouldn't you? Thats what its all about you know... all that american exceptionalism turns out to be nothing but an excess of resources to plunder plus material wealth, swollen heads and a deficit of judgement... and humility, which goes hand in hand after all.

Too bad you guys squandered your opportunity to get smart when you had the chance. Oh well, at least you got guns!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
OK I'll leave poor little Ricky alone to lick his hurtin' balls in peace... for now.

This ones for Chuff anyway, which I'm sure he will relish as another great affirmation of Chuffian Darwinism and the uselessness of aspiring to anything.

A study by two Princeton University researchers, Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page, released last month, tracked 1,800 U.S. policy changes between 1981 and 2002, and compared the outcome with the expressed preferences of median-income Americans, the affluent, business interests and powerful lobbies. They concluded that average citizens “have little or no independent influence” on policy in the U.S., while the rich and their hired mouthpieces routinely get their way. “The majority does not rule,” they wrote.

Smart money versus dumb voters is hardly a fair fight. But it does offer compelling evidence that the survival of the fittest remains an unshakable truth even in American life. A sad sort of proof of evolution.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:22pm PT
I'll answer that last posting . Yes, I'm in complete agreement with that short summation that Brewsky, the Korn Swilling denialist, just offered up. The "smart money" is deployed in lobsided abundance by the not so smart progressives seeking the purchase of compliance by the disaffected masses they somehow bus, unbury , or newly document to vote against their own long term interest in favor of the sloth of short term gain. Yes, the reality of human existence is competition and survival of the fittest, without it we stagnate and perish.
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 4, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
Oh yes mr K. Please tell us all about humility.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jun 5, 2014 - 04:09am PT
K-man - It's no surprise you continue to lie and take the low road. But your posts from last night really set a new standard for hyper-defensiveness. Are you familiar with Hamlet?

See ya.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 5, 2014 - 05:12am PT
Sketch...Hyper-defensiveness..? Is that the opposite of hyper-offensiveness...?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 5, 2014 - 06:30am PT
Sure J Rig, I'll tell you as much as I know... tell you what - you start off. You explain your understanding of the word, its uses and miss-uses, Its functional role in this particular topic of judgement and just maybe we'll start to see that judgement is entirely possible and relevant even in a field of study where even a self confident Dunning Krugger devotee like rick sumner is worse than a fish out of water. More like a Bull in a china shop that if you multiply by half your population then you begin to get the picture as to the sorry state of mouth breathing in america.

I've suggested numerous times to Rick that its not so much his technical scientific expertise that is on trial, its his basic common sense and powers of judgement, humility being an integral component without which failure is guaranteed. He declines, either afraid of the implications if he fails or deluded by faith that judgement is inferior to loyalty.

But not you eh? Up for a little session of discovery J Rig?
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Jun 5, 2014 - 07:43am PT
Why would i take the time to enter such a philosophical debate with you when i clearly lack the necessary time? It,s so much more entertaining to swooop by and drop a snarky comment as a worthless diversion for a guy like yourself who seems to feel he,s got something to teach me about humility and american knuckle-dragging. Thanks, but i,ve been wrong before, will be again, accept the limits of my own judgement or lack thereof, and already know full-well that roughly half the country are idiots.

Why, just the other day the wif and i were considering where to migrate. I hear Canada,s beutiful. Ya got mountains, fishing, and vast exanse of open country to explore. Oh, and i can bring rifles and kill sh#t. Stretch out yer open arms brother... Here we come!
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:05am PT
Why, just the other day the wife and i were considering where to migrate. I hear Canada,s beutiful. Ya got mountains, fishing, and vast exanse of open country to explore. Oh, and i can bring rifles and kill sh#t. Stretch out yer open arms brother... Here we come!

LMAO....Fking PRICELESS!!!







That made my day plus 1.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 5, 2014 - 08:06am PT
Darn. Not your interest in immigration, just that there is still not one single climate change debater willing to actually expose themselves to a little examination of our own abilities of judgement. The snarky one liners i don't mind, but the dancing around the elephant in the room is really weak, when you think that this whole issue is one of judgement, yet no one wants to touch the process of judgement with a ten foot pole!

Surely there is more to this than snarky yet clever one liners?






































Naw! This is Umurica, where every one liner is valued by its snark and cleverness, everything else is missing the point
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