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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 9, 2014 - 10:25am PT
LOL!

You were not wondering, you were telling. No 'why' or question mark, Chief.
The Chief

climber
Smiling at all you angry& negative blinded Sheep
Dec 9, 2014 - 10:27am PT
Thanks for big SWING and A FATASS MISS, MONO....



Now go back to the dugout and try again.



Better yet, go back to t-ball and try and hit the static ball.

monolith

climber
SF bay area

Dec 9, 2014 - 10:18am PT
The Chief, from the drought thread.

We currently stand some 1.9" or so from equally 2007's total snowfall at Mammoth Pass.

As of this morning, Mammoth Pass LADWP SS is indicating 20.1". Total for Mammoth Pass in 2007 was 22.0".


Never once heard any mention of any "Drought" in the Spring of 2007 when snow levels here on the Eastside were at what we are close to seeing

Show where any mention of "NO DROUGHT EXISTS", Mono.



RFLMAO.... thanks for the good laugh.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2014 - 11:48am PT
DMT:
Does cigarette smoking cause lung cancer?
How do you know?
You can't see a direct connection.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 9, 2014 - 11:51am PT
That is not a persuasive tactic, malemute. Trying to lay claim to this California drought is a good example of how your baby gets tossed out with the bathwater with folk like me.

I'm not stupid, you know.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
Just because you can't see a direct connection doesn't mean there isn't one.

Just because someone's hyperbole suggests a connection to this drought doesn't mean there is one.

Just how smart are you? Can you demonstrate the connection, or are you engaged in hyperbole?

DMT
The Chief

climber
Smiling at all you angry& negative blinded Sheep
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
MALNUTS WISDOM:

Just because you can't see a direct connection doesn't mean there isn't one.

How bout we use that same logic regarding the existence of GOD, MALNUTS!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
He doesn't fall for your lies. He's got that going for him.

I don't fall for the chief's lies either.

DMT
The Chief

climber
Smiling at all you angry& negative blinded Sheep
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
Where did I lie, DINGUS?


Maybe you can apply MALNUTS latest logic in your "hyperbole", huh?

Still waiting for you or anyone else to post up where I specifically stated that there was NO DROUGHT.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
You must use a different definition of hyperbole than I do.

I'm smart enough to score 100% on the exam for the canadian amateur radio advanced certificate.

More importantly, I'm smart enough to understand the precautionary principle.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
Are you smart enough to show me the money, on linking this drought to global warming?

DMT

ps. Pretty smart on the ham radio bit. I did ok on the US version in my day, but did not ace it.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
I'm smart enough not to make demands that cannot be proven one way or another.

The analogy with lung cancer is a good one. Only a series of scientific studies finally made it clear enough to cut through the denial BS the tobacco companies produced.
Meanwhile there were smokers who denied a connection and continued a habit that was harmful to them. There were also smokers who had the brains to quit. My dad quit, he's still alive at 90.

Did you ever smoke, DMT?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
Chief wrote: How bout we use that same logic regarding the existence of GOD, MALNUTS!


No that would be voo-doo...we are talking science.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
I'm smart enough not to make demands that cannot be proven one way or another.

Then feel free to drop it.

I think the tree ring evidence is rather compelling, to counter the 'drought severity' thingie that supposedly comes from these climate change models.

DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
I think the tree ring evidence is rather compelling, to counter the 'drought severity' thingie that supposedly comes from these climate change models.
If you have the time to elaborate, I'd appreciate it.

Did you ever smoke?

On June 12, 1957, Surgeon General Leroy E. Burney declared it the official position of the U.S. Public Health Service that the evidence pointed to a causal relationship between smoking and lung cancer.
http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retrieve/Narrative/NN/p-nid/60

Should the Surgeon General have "dropped it" because he didn't have definitive proof?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
1912 --The Marine Hospital Service is reorganized as the U.S. Public Health Service
1913 --R. J. Reynolds launches Camel, the first modern mass-produced cigarette made from blended tobacco
1917 --Cigarettes are included in the field rations of American soldiers in World War I
1928 --Herbert L. Lombard and Carl R. Doering offer the first detailed statistical data showing a higher proportion of heavy smokers among lung cancer patients than among controls
1929 --U.S. Surgeon General Hugh S. Cumming (1920-1936) cautions that smoking causes nervousness and insomnia, particularly among women
1938 --Raymond Pearl demonstrates statistically that smoking shortens life expectancy
1941-45 --Tobacco is supplied to American servicemen in World War II
1942 --In-vitro experiments establish that tars, solid particles of partially burnt tobacco, can act directly on cells to produce neoplasm, or new and abnormal growth
1953 --Ernest Wynder, a researcher at Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, paints smoke condensate on the skin of mice, producing cancerous tumors in 44 percent of the animals
1957 --Surgeon General Leroy E. Burney (1956-1961) declares it to be the official position of the U.S. Public Health Service that a causal relationship exists between smoking and lung cancer (June 12)
1964 --Surgeon General Luther L. Terry (1961-1965) issues Smoking and Health, the first Surgeon General's report to receive widespread media and public attention (January 11)
1965 --Congress mandates health warnings on cigarette packs
1957 --Surgeon General Leroy E. Burney (1956-1961) declares it to be the official position of the U.S. Public Health Service that a causal relationship exists between smoking and lung cancer (June 12)
1968 --The Office of the Surgeon General is abolished and the position becomes that of an advisor to the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare, and to the Assistant Secretary of Health. The Surgeon General no longer directly administers the U.S. Public Health Service
1969 --The Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act passes Congress. It imposes a ban on cigarette advertising on television and radio after September 30, 1970, and requires that the Surgeon General produce an annual report on the latest scientific findings on the health effects of smoking
1973 --Arizona passes the first state law designating separate smoking areas in public places
1979 --Surgeon General Julius B. Richmond issues Healthy People: The Surgeon General's Report on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention, emphasizing the role of nutrition, exercise, environmental factors, and occupational safety in advancing health
1980 --With the report Maternal and Infant Health, the Surgeon General takes up a subject that has been a focus of federal social policy since the creation of the Children's Bureau in 1912
1981 --Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) is first diagnosed
1983 --Lung cancer surpasses breast cancer as the leading cause of death from cancer in women
1986 --Surgeon General C. Everett Koop (1981-89) releases The Surgeon General's Report on Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, describing AIDS as a preventable, manageable chronic disease
1987 --The Office of the Surgeon General is reestablished with the Surgeon General as supervisor of the personnel system of the Commissioned Corps of the U.S. Public Health Service
1987 --Congress bans smoking on all domestic flights of two hours or less; two years later smoking is banned on all domestic flights
1992 --The Environmental Protection Agency places passive smoke on its list of major carcinogens, making it subject to federal workplace and other regulations
1999 --Surgeon General David Satcher publishes Mental Health, marking an expansion of the Surgeon General's concerns beyond a predominant focus on diseases of the body
2000 --California becomes the first state to ban smoking in bars and restaurants
http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retrieve/Narrative/NN/p-nid/58
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
Fifty years ago, on January 11, 1964, Luther L. Terry, MD, then Surgeon General of the United States, announced the release of the Surgeon Generalís report on smoking and health. 1 This report was the culmination of a process that a group of experts began more than 18 months earlier to assess the science related to tobacco use and its effect on humans.
The group came to the conclusion that cigarette smoking causes lung cancer and laryngeal cancer. The report also noted that there was suggestive evidence, if not definitive proof, of a causative role of smoking in other illnesses such as emphysema, cardiovascular disease, and various types of cancer.
The conclusions reached by this report are arguably the most important and far-reaching in the history of public health and are, perhaps, the classic example of science driving public policy. It gave extraordinary momentum to the tobacco control movement and caused public opinion and behavior to change considerably, even though a large part of the population was not initially predisposed to accept the message.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3322/caac.21210/pdf
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 9, 2014 - 01:52pm PT
What would Humphrey Bogart be without a cigarette dangling from his disenchanted lips?

Well, alive for one thing: He died of throat cancer at 57.
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,217167,00.html



well, he wouldn't be alive today, but checking out at 57 is a bit early




Percentage of U.S. adults aged 18 years or older who were current cigarette smokers in 2012

18.1% of all adults (42.1 million people): 20.1% of males, 14.5% of females
21.8% of non-Hispanic American Indians/Alaska Natives
19.7% of non-Hispanic Whites
18.1% of non-Hispanic Blacks
12.5% of Hispanics
10.7% of non-Hispanic Asians (excluding Native Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders)
26.1% of multiple race individuals

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/

Can we say that 10 to 20% of the US population are idiots?
Or do they have some kind of valid excuse for behaving like an idiot?

And if they are idiots, why should we pay any attention to their opinions?
The Chief

climber
Smiling at all you angry& negative blinded Sheep
Dec 9, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
Oh my God...MALNUT's shows his true colors.


Comparing Smoking/Cancer with the Earth's Climate and AGW.

So Malnuts, which of the 38 plus ingredients in the common day cigarette causes cancer?

While we are at it, appears that many of today's young climbers, the exact same ones that most assuredly believe in the religion of AGW, smoke them cancer causing cigarettes on a regular basis. Thus, according to your logic, they must NOT be very smart. Many of those cigarette smoking youngsters are in college and some already have their degrees.

We definitely gotta a winner today from you Malnuts.


That one tops old MONO for the laugh of the day. Love it.

I imagine that you also communicate regularly with beings light years away on your HAM Radio. Right Malnuts?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Show where I stated anything about NO DROUGHT?, the man stompted!

Well, there is this (which you seemed to miss the first time around).

The Chief
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:19pm PT

And here's The Chief back again with his wet finger. Fresh from a lake, he can claim (with that wet finger) that there is no drought in California.

Another example of the fatalistic trumpeting. Central to Southern California is historically a Very Dry Temperate Climate Zone. Thus, this "Drought" you speak of, is actual the norm.


Oh The Chief, regale us again with your humorous buffoonery!
The Chief

climber
Smiling at all you angry& negative blinded Sheep
Dec 9, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Show where I stated anything about NO DROUGHT?, the man stompted!

Well, there is this (which you seemed to miss the first time around).

The Chief
Jun 10, 2013 - 07:19pm PT

And here's The Chief back again with his wet finger. Fresh from a lake, he can claim (with that wet finger) that there is no drought in California.

Another example of the fatalistic trumpeting. Central to Southern California is historically a Very Dry Temperate Climate Zone. Thus, this "Drought" you speak of, is actual the norm.


Oh The Chief, regale us again with your humorous buffoonery!

Just because I stated it was the "Norm" does it no where state there is NO DROUGHT. Oh KAVEMAN... Do I have to repost the Tree Ring Study from earlier this year from which I was eluding to as the "Norm".

Nice try but NO CIGAR.... Keep assuming.


Now let's try again, please post something where I specifically stated there is NO DROUGHT.







In the past 25K years, the SW and California have experienced many "mega Droughts" with extended dry periods which were the "normal" climate for the region.

But ancient clues in the landscape show this is not the first time the American West has been severely parched. It's unlikely to be the last. And the recent spate of dry years is nothing next to the ancient "megadroughts" that have occurred multiple times in human history. "What research shows is a roughly 50- to 90-year cycle of wet and dry periods over the last few thousand years, with some droughts lasting over a decade. But between 900 and 1400 A.D., during the 'Medieval Warm Period,' there were a couple of droughts that were over a century long," said B. Lynn Ingram, professor of Earth and planetary science and geography at the University of California, Berkeley, and co-author of the book The West Without Water: What Past Floods, Droughts, and Other Climatic Clues Tell Us About Tomorrow.

"The 20th century was a relatively wet time, and a time when all of our modern societies were built," she said. "We've had centuries where it was far drier. We're not prepared."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/02/140214-drought-california-prehistory-science-climate-san-francisco-2/


Thus, this is all a "normal" cycle of drought and wet periods that have been common in our regional climate for a long period of time.
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