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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 14, 2014 - 12:17am PT
Ed operates under the fiction that money spent by the government is all well spent.

blahblah works under the fiction that the government wastes all of the money it collects.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 14, 2014 - 12:24am PT
What the hell are you doing up at this late hour concerning yourself with this farce of a thread Ed?

You want to move past acceptance of this crock and talk mitigation policy. Modular micro reactors are a good and palatable start but you must also be accepting of increased usage of NG and drop the insistence on behavioral modification by punitive taxation. The government doesn't need more of the hardworking peoples income to waste on pipe dream nightmares.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 12:59am PT
Looks like the Clown Car is running on helium this time!


A real three-ring show. Get your tickets!
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 14, 2014 - 06:26am PT
Looks like the Clown Car is running on helium this time!
A real three-ring show. Get your tickets!

Indeed.

I posted about a test and some hypotheses concerning warming vs. cooling bias in the US Historical Climatology Network data. Those concepts whooshed right over some heads but set off a loud squawking. Rick "Fuk the science" Sumner launched one of his bizarro diatribes, this time against foreigners and the people who quote them. His rant is complete fantasy,
you could find no such interpretation from any reputable U.S. scientist or even blog?
Complete B.S. propaganda, and not even from this country.
Turns out that every word he wrote is false, the data are US, but Rick does not skip a beat. If US data don’t suit his ideology, they must be false too. So how then does he “know” the following?
The U.S. has been cooling, admittedly in fits and starts, since the highest recorded temps of the 1930's.
We’ll come back to that.

Blahblah, however, don’t need to know nuffin, he’s got D-K!
hornswoggling
he blahblahs.

Then there’s the Chief, who not long ago had no idea what a “trend line” might be. He still doesn’t, I think, but he’s discovered Wood For Trees will calculate them for him. Characteristically Chief didn't read or try to understand what my post said, so the particular trend lines he wants to fit make no sense. But we'll come back to that too.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 14, 2014 - 06:28am PT
Way to deflect and dodge Larry. You and the rest of your AGW fear mongering brigade are becoming so crafty and good at that. Gotta say and do what needs to be done in order to proliferate the agenda, ideology of fear and of course, the funding.

Good for you Larry Hamilton.



Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Aug 14, 2014 - 12:08am PT

Now The Chief wants me to plot some trend lines on it... but he doesn't say which ones...

Which trend lines do you want The Chief?

It is a good thing for this nation and the world that you are not working with WMD's any longer, EDH. You apparently can not read or you are becoming totally incapable of assimilating information appropriately.

Let's try it again EDH. From my original request:



Well EDH, using the above graph that Larry posted, feel free to do a trend plot of all them mean temp departures.

Let's see what your crayons deliver us.... be honest now EDH.




Amazingly, here was your immediate response precisely 3 minutes later:

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Aug 13, 2014 - 08:46am PT
if I do any analysis of those graphs, The Chief, you would complain that they are "manipulations" and untrustworthy, particularly because they would not support your assertion.

why don't you do the calculation? and then also calculate an estimate of the "goodness" of the hypothesis that the temperature change is zero.



Appears that you are having some major memory loss issues EDH. You should seriously consider informing your current DOE employer of this very dangerous situ. Especially if you are currently working with highly sensitive material that could put this country, and possibly the world, in a highly dangerous position.

Know what I mean EDH.



Now, do you think you can go ahead and plot a trend line for Larry's graph above. Regardless the origin of the data or premise of Larry's post.


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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 07:26am PT
You [Ed] apparently can not read or you are becoming totally incapable of assimilating information appropriately.
    The Chief


Seriously, you couldn't make this up.


The Chief cannot remember even his own request.

Here you go The Chief, the part that shows what a dumbf*#k you are:

The Chief
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:36pm PT

That graph is from NOAA.

Outstanding.

Now let's see a graph showing the trend for that period Larry. I know, I know, you won't post one because it will show the flat temps and validate the pause.


EDH is afraid to post one.


Of course, Ed was responding to this. Here, have a look:

I down loaded the data from the NOAA website ...
    Ed


I'm sure The Chief's retort will be idiotic, it's all he can seem to muster at this point.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 14, 2014 - 07:45am PT
Simply amazing Larry. You say a graph you posted was from NOAA , you get called on it, now you claim its alright since the data manipulated by a german blogger originated from NOAA. And you can't understand why sceptics don't trust the CAGW circus. Mind boggling, you are.

Larry good one. I liked my new nick name Rick (fuk the science) Sumner by the way. Speaking of nicknames where is Jack "the hammer" Muir (Base) with our geology 101 lessons.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 14, 2014 - 08:06am PT
You say a graph you posted was from NOAA , you get called on it, now you claim its alright since the data manipulated by a german blogger originated from NOAA.

Nope, I did not claim anything of the sort. Here are my exact words:
That graph is from NOAA.
Do you know what a URL is?

So you're making up "facts" to fit your politics yet again. Since you do this so casually, and don't bat an eye when your accusations over and over again prove false, you seem to assume that other folks must be equally dishonest. But you've made that up too.

Mind boggling, you are.

I'm telling the truth, if that boggles you.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 14, 2014 - 08:09am PT
I'm telling the truth, if that boggles you.

Who's truth? Yours? Now that is boggling, Larry.


Please do look up the definition of the truth. Manipulation and Fantasy are no where in that definition. No where.




k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 07:26am PT


I'm sure The Chief's retort will be idiotic

Of course it will be. It is directed towards you KMAN. The King Idiot of this Thread. How else is one to communicate with sheepminded eco-freak lost souls as yourself.

Would not be a bit surprised if you go to an early morning sunrise libtard fanatics group meeting to put yourself on track and most certainly prior to posting on this insanely retarded thread of yours.


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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 14, 2014 - 08:51am PT
The Chief,
what sort of "trend line" do you want... you have many choices...

linear, logarithmic, polynomial, power, exponential, moving average...

I can provide even more if you want, those listed are easily done with Excel (at least the version I have).

So please state what it is you want...

Here's one:
Credit: Ed Hartouni

this is the "trend line" that is constant temperature, the average of the 14 years... equal to +0.39ºF, the "trend" is that the temperature will remain constant into the future, and was constant in the past.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 14, 2014 - 08:56am PT
Its how Dylan put it Rick, " You can't criticize what you don't understand"

And if you do the odds are that you will be wrong. That isn't just some frivolous guess, it is a well established fact, tested and replicated much to Blah blah's dismay.

Not only that, but if my some slim chance you prove right it will be entirely a matter of luck, not intuition and not deductive reasoning or delberation of fact. That s because all those processes are simply not possible without understanding.

So you see, its not so much your ignorance that is in question here, It is your judgement. Ignorance is just a normal human condition that all of us possess depending on the subject matter. However when you become aware of your ignorance - such as you by now have been made fully aware and have aknowlwdged multiple times - yet persist in putting trust in your ignorance when superior skill and knowledge is available to you, that becomes incompetence. Incompetence is the willful aplication of ignorance.

It is a wholy irresponsible and infantile act. It is precsely why when it occurs in the professional realm the perpetrator recieves punitive sanction and penalty. Without that disciplnary sanction it is gauranteed that corruption of process and institution occurs, due to the fact that at least some people cannot apply self discipline and do not govern themselves with ethics.

I'm really quite amazed that this simple well known reality escapes you, considering the same general principlesapply to building contracting . Sure the levels of required skill and knowledge are not as high and the institutional quality control is far less stringent but the fact is, when you are demonstrably shown to be incompetent as a building contractor, you gotta leave town to try again where no one knows you.

So, sure eough this is not professional and its just a bunch of hill billies sh#t talking, but actually it isn't. We are all asked as a matter of civic duty to judge our decision makers and their policy. If you really mean it when you say "forget this crock and move on to mitigation" then once again you are being incompetent because there is no need to mitigate anything based on a crock. How is this incompetent? Without a basis of fact, all you have is myth, guessing and illusion which is no basis for deciding anything, unless you're michelle Bachman.

But really you know all this. the real problem is that like most of red state america you consider it your entitlement to make decisions on a basis of myth, guessing and illusion. Well sure you can, but don't for a second think you will be respected for it.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 14, 2014 - 09:00am PT
LMAO.

You're too busy sitting on your ass in front of a computer all day long posting ideological propaganda on the inturdnet.
a morning group libtard fanatics meeting fear mongering brigade
proliferate the agenda, ideology of fear and of course, the funding
You apparently can not read or you are becoming totally incapable
of assimilating information appropriately.
Accept and adapt to that new normal or else perish.
Exploit, demean and demand.

Please do tell us all how that is not a direct reference to how your ideology/political belief supersedes anything from the "right-wing".
Exercise your persistent self imposed supremacy over anyone that does not go with your agenda and ideology. You apparently can not read or you are becoming totally incapable.
Appears that you are having some major memory loss issues
seriously consider informing this very dangerous situ.
if you are currently working with highly sensitive material
that could put this country, and possibly the world, in a highly dangerous position.
Know what I mean ? Who's truth? Yours? Outstanding.
Now, here they come. The class dudes and their insults.
What a pathetic waste of a life and intake of 02. You apparently can not read..
You're reading comprehension failure is growing as each day passes
Thanks for reaffirming my point of your ideological fanaticism.
Completely based on speculation and assumptions that have yet to be proven.
Quit stalling and deflecting Appears that you are having some major memory loss issues
Know what I mean ? Who's truth? Yours? Outstanding.
You of all people know
Just dumbass wanna-bes as yourself attempting to be somebody on occasion.
The new "normal". Got it.

LMAO.

Accept and adapt to that new normal or else perish.
That is the law of survival here on earth. You of all people know.
That of course is according to your imposed philosophy of, "evolution".
You of all people know But you wouldn't understand.
a morning group libtard fanatics meeting fear mongering brigade
proliferate the agenda, ideology of fear and of course, the funding
You apparently can not read or you are becoming totally incapable
of assimilating information appropriately.
Like you and your computer/climate science freaks are going to change that law of reality that prevails throughout the Universe. You of all people know.
a morning group libtard fanatics meeting fear mongering brigade
LMAO. you and your computer/climate science freaks.

You of all people know. But you wouldn't understand.

LMAO



rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 14, 2014 - 09:24am PT
Thanks for your incompetent morning psycho evaluation Bruce. You really are an oblivious, ignorant, one trick pony.

I don't have to rely on "intuition, luck, or willful distortion", Bruce
I simply have to read. Emerging from the rat trap noise of the CAGW narrative are a group of solar scientists from around the world that are beginning to untangle the mechanisms that the primary driver of climate change on planet earth, old Sol as the ancients knew, effects ever changing atmospheric and oceanic conditions that has erroneously been almost solely blamed on the trace gas CO2 by the whacko contingent you support here.

If it wasn't inconsistant with your twisted ideology you too could read the voluminous material of sources of climate change contrary to the CAGW narrative. However, that will never happen since it is counter to your progressive intuition and attempts ar willful distortion.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 14, 2014 - 09:27am PT
what sort of "trend line" do you want... you have many choices...
linear, logarithmic, polynomial, power, exponential, moving average...
I can provide even more if you want, those listed are easily done with Excel (at least the version I have).

Not to steal Ed's thunder but here's yet another kind that works well with long noisy time series -- lowess regression, applied to US temperature data over the full period of the USHCN record.



Of course the contiguous US comprises less than 2% of Earth's surface, so this graph does not show "global warming." What it does show is US warming that is, on this century time scale, broadly consistent with global trends. For example, in the US graph above you can see the pause-step-pause-step-pause timing pattern that characterizes global temperatures as well. And the linear trend is even more consistent: .13 degrees F/decade for US annual temperatures, and .13 degrees F/decade for global annual temperatures (both analyzed from NCDC datasets).
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 09:28am PT
this is the "trend line" that is constant temperature, the average of the 14 years...


Beautiful Ed...


Of course it will be. It is directed towards you KMAN.
    The Chief

The Chief, then how do you explain your response to Ed (the one I quoted in my post, in case you're lost)? That was idiotic, but it wasn't directed at me.


The Chief has hit rock bottom, but look out--he's grabbed a shovel!
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 14, 2014 - 09:31am PT
this is the "trend line" that is constant temperature, the average of the 14 years...equal to +0.39ºF, the "trend" is that the temperature will remain constant into the future, and was constant in the past.

Now we are getting somewhere.


Good to see EDH that you agree that the "trend" for the past 14 years has basically flattened compared to previous 20. That you concur with the "Hiatus" in temp rising that we are currently experiencing globally.

Also, that this "hiatus" was never indicated in any of the CC models. If this "trend" that you indicate continues on it's current course for the next 10-15 years, it will totally invalidate all the CC models out there. As they never indicated the 30 or so years of a flat temps. If the C02 continues to rise at the steady rate that it's currently doing and the temps maintain the current flat trend, then that too will totally invalidate the C02/temp correlation theory.

Is that not a correct "assumption" EDH and/or Larry?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 09:35am PT
What Chiloe says:

Of course the contiguous US comprises less than 2% of Earth's surface, so this graph does not show "global warming." What it does show is US warming that is, on this century time scale, broadly consistent with global trends. For example, in the US graph above you can see the pause-step-pause-step-pause timing pattern that characterizes global temperatures as well. And the linear trend is even more consistent: .13 degrees F/decade for US annual temperatures, and .13 degrees F/decade for global annual temperatures (both analyzed from NCDC datasets).


What the deniers hear/read:

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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2014 - 09:36am PT
Now we are getting somewhere.


Good to see EDH that you agree that the "trend" for the past 14 years has basically flattened compared to previous 20.


Hahahahahaha. Hook, line, and sinker!!




That is so frickin' funny.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 14, 2014 - 09:38am PT
Sure is KMAN!



raymond phule

climber
Aug 14, 2014 - 09:57am PT

I don't have to rely on "intuition, luck, or willful distortion", Bruce
I simply have to read.

LOL, like you have shown a single time that you have understood anything of the science that you have claimed to have read.
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