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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 13, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Hanlon's razor
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 13, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Larry Hamilton, why did you have to go to a Bonn Germany blogger to get the particularly skewed graph of the ten years of the 114 USCRN stations that you posted on the prior page. Could it be ,Larry, that you could find no such interpretation from any reputable U.S. scientist or even blog?

Complete B.S. propaganda, and not even from this country. The U.S. has been cooling, admittedly in fits and starts, since the highest recorded temps of the 1930's.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 13, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
I'm not suggesting that Ed himself abuses the public largesse; I can easily believe that he's an honest guy who is fact so honest that he has trouble understanding that he's the outlier.)

why is that Blah? What makes you so convinced Ed is honest? Is it just a feeling you have or do you just wish to avoid rocking the ST boat and in fact considering his profesion, you'd have to be nuts to actually believe he's honest. I mean come on.... you've seen his hair doo. You'd have to be a fool to believe him.... unless you can actually test and judge the quality of his work..... or your intuition is light years ahead of Brauns

Anyway to hell with Ed. You seem completely convinced that the vast majority of research scientists are concerned entirely with money and I assume by that you mean they are at least as corrupt as anyone in the Patent Office. Thats great - I've been trying to coax a little hard evidence on this from Rick but so far no luck. I think maybe his depth of knowledge in world wide conspiracies of science is about as good as his grasp of climate science. Nil, in other words. You on the other hand must have reams of it if you are so convinced. Lets hear it.

BTW, sorry to hear about the Patent office where you work is so full of thieves and crooks entirely concerned with fleecing the tax payers. Would you consider yourself an "outlier" in this regard?

I beg your pardon, I see you only deal with them, which means you are a free enterpriser I supose. Now I'm just wondering..... considering your free enterpirize nature, no doubt concerned with profit and avoiding annoying costs and miscelaneous other encumberances of regulation etc, I'm sure we could say of you

I'm not suggesting that Blah Blah himself abuses the public largesse; I can easily believe that he's an honest guy who is fact so honest that he has trouble understanding that he's the outlier.

but then why? Why would I jump to the conclusion that you are honest, other than to give you the benefit of the doubt with no corroberating evidence?

You know.... like how the science guys do it.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 13, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
Larry Hamilton, why did you have to go to a Bonn Germany blogger to get the particularly skewed graph of the ten years of the 114 USCRN stations that you posted on the prior page. Could it be ,Larry, that you could find no such interpretation from any reputable U.S. scientist or even blog?

Complete B.S. propaganda, and not even from this country. The U.S. has been cooling, admittedly in fits and starts, since the highest recorded temps of the 1930's.

It's been a tough competition today but here Rick Sumner has managed to leap ahead of blahblah and The Chief. That graph is from NOAA.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 13, 2014 - 05:46pm PT
any reputable U.S. scientist

I'm glad you brought this up Rick. Perhaps you should school us in the fine art of determining what constitutes a "reputable" scientist and one that is not.

This should be interesting and helpful as you like most of us cannot determine reputation by actually judging the quality of their work.... which amazingly enough is how generally even building contractors are judged.......


Anyway, where was I ? Oh yeah - so what techniques and processes do you use Rick?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:18pm PT


Complete B.S. propaganda, and not even from this country. The U.S. has been cooling, admittedly in fits and starts, since the highest recorded temps of the 1930's.

Goddamn that's stupid.

DMT
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
That graph is from NOAA.

Outstanding.

Now let's see a graph showing the trend for that period Larry. I know, I know, you won't post one because it will show the flat temps and validate the pause.


EDH is afraid to post one. How about you Larry.


Ah, probably because it will show something stupid and similar to the one below...


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
I'm on the edge of my seat....I can't believe our good fortune!

Any minute now Blah Blah will describe in detail the sophistication and global extent of corruption in public scientific research and patent offices plus Rick Sumner will present his seminar " Spotting credibility in a scientist, for the Layman".

If this is successful perhaps we can convince Chuff to fly a helicopter and Sketch to reveal his success secrets in day trading!

The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep
Aug 13, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
Now, here they come. The class dudes and their insults. Along with the rats coming out of their holes and ball cupping one another. Bravo. Right on cue Brucee KY. The King rat shining bright.


Too bad you have nothing of any sorts to reveal Brucee KY other than all your shetwad youtube research and interdnet posting. What a pathetic waste of a life and intake of 02. Good on you Brucee KY.

Standing by for your side kick Brucee... old rat himself Glanton.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 13, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Insults? What are you talking about? I'm really interested. How do you guys do it? You don't know sh#t when it comes to science but you can spot a reputable scientist from 100 yards. Its amazing!

Just think... if we all had this gift the whole house of cards is done. What is with you guys? I've been pestering you to reveal your secrets and knowledge for a couple of years now and all I get is this condesending bullshit" If I have to tell you you'll never understand". Christ almighty do you want to slay the green dragon or not? I'll hold your goddamn scabard if you can win me over.

BTW, I was just kidding about you flying a helicopter.... wouldn't want to see it go to your head or anything eh? still lots of sardines to snag and all
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 13, 2014 - 07:56pm PT
Sardines in Cali? Tough luck!


See the snow?

That's why we have real fish in BC.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 13, 2014 - 09:02pm PT
The NOAA fudge factory is s reputable source? Surely you jest Larry. Where was the credit in your previous post? Your post said the comparison was by Venema.

Bruce , too bad I can't figure out a way to charge your ever present and lazy ass for all the entertainment I've provided you basket cases with.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 13, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
Jesus! You say NOAA is in on it too? Thats awesome Work Rick. This will be headlines. Bengazhi and Fast And Furious will just be a little footnote in the scoop of the decade!

You will be forwarding what you know about NOAA to the justice Department won't you?
















































Crikey! They're in on it too???
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 13, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
Rick,
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I look forward to your fascinating reply.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 13, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
I don't read, write, or speak Latin oh Icey one
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 13, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
Anyway Rick please let us in on how you can discern the difference between a reputable scientist and a not very reputable scientist.

Dowzing rods? Chicken bones? Horoscope? The Daily caller ( thats how chuff does it)


No wait.....


Intoo ishun? Gosh, you must be quite the building contractor
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 13, 2014 - 09:55pm PT
That'll be one canuck Forty. Deposit please in my ST purchase credit account.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Aug 13, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
Any minute now Blah Blah will describe in detail the sophistication and global extent of corruption in public scientific research and patent offices plus Rick Sumner will present his seminar " Spotting credibility in a scientist, for the Layman".

Bruce, it's not necessarily corruption, it's just that it's largely worthless.
Go back and reread the recent issue of the Economist that explains that many if not most "scientific experiments" aren't replicated when put to the test.
And it's not me that discovered the abuses at the USPTO, it's the Inspector General, as reported in one of those right wing blogs, the good ol' Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2014/07/31/federal-paralegals-had-no-work-so-they-surfed-the-internet/

I just got back from a climbing trip so haven't been able to follow this thread too closely--looks like Chiloe's been up to his hornswoggling again though, glad everyone's well!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 14, 2014 - 12:08am PT
hornswoggling?

to bad you couldn't do the simple math... or even get Excel to do it for you...

I down loaded the data from the NOAA website

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/national-temperature-index/time-series?datasets%5B%5D=uscrn&datasets%5B%5D=climdiv&datasets%5B%5D=cmbushcn¶meter=anom-tavg&time_scale=12mo&begyear=2000&endyear=2014&month=7

funny that rick would claim that NOAA is untrustworthy, it goes to show how looney he has become.

Credit: Ed Hartouni
This data is one of the NOAA sets (CLIMDIV) that Chiloe showed from the other blog site, this one has data that extends to 2000.

Now The Chief wants me to plot some trend lines on it... but he doesn't say which ones...

Which trend lines do you want The Chief?

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 14, 2014 - 12:14am PT
Go back and reread the recent issue of the Economist that explains that many if not most "scientific experiments" aren't replicated when put to the test.

I don't think it says that... and if it does, it is quite incorrect. Perhaps you should get your science from a publication where the editors know what science is...
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