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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 3, 2014 - 10:23pm PT
Chuff can really pick a winner! No wonder he hangs his hat on a single monthly cheque....

http://www.wnho.net
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jun 3, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
you guys are gnarly
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 3, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
If you're interested in how ALL this will really affect you, listen to the man himself...


Yes, burning coal and other fossil fuels isn't cheap. Pay for it up front or pay for it later. No way around it, you're gonna pay for it.

And by "pay for it," don't fool yourself into thinking that I mean the politicians are going to line their pockets. You've posted that clip numerous times, The Chief. Have you actually listed to it? If so, tell me, where does that the money in increased energy costs go?

No, not a trick question.
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
Jun 3, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
tell me, where does that the money in increased energy costs go?



Here....






God you and the rest are so tooooooooooled.


Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 3, 2014 - 11:51pm PT
Or states can tell the Feds to piss off and elect new congressional representatives, governors, presidents, impeach the activist judges and reclaim their freedom from the fascist statists. This law bending EPA/rabid enviro overeach will only result in a huge wealth transfer from those in the middle and lower economic rungs to the criminal state/corporate interests. Besides this it will result in large job losses as energy intensive manufacturers offshore to developing nations not in compliance with this CAGW nonsense. Look to current European news with one failing green dream after another for validation of the above statement, not Bruce's offering of drivel from 2011's propaganda rag The Economist, or Ed' offering of excrement directly from the horses ass.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 12:22am PT
The Chief, I don't think you listened to your clip very carefully. The increase in the cost of energy doesn't go to the Gov't.

Instead, the additional cost added to your energy bill is used to cover the cost of cleaning up the emissions from the coal plants. Listen to what Obama says in the clip you keep re-posting. He says it directly. And he also says those costs will get passed to the consumer.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 07:07am PT
Gee Rick, you sound like such a sky is falling moaner. Here we give you a sample or two of actual evidence from real large scale trials of carbon Tax regimes that completely contradict your claims, while your claims are all speculative and unsubstantiated. It may well be because you get your opinion neither from The Economist nor science, rather you prefer www.buckright.com or the World Natural Health Organization.

Do you keep dropping your soother? Whats a matter? Your shining city on the hill has a little dry rot? Well what do you expect when you use your old gypo techniques in a swamp like Wassila. Times are a changing, which is about the worse thing you can say to a bunch of right winger hill billy's.

Like I said to Paul souza, the only people still resistant to proven carbon cap legislation and Taxation are those that think there is no carbon problem in the first place, and they all follow Buck Right.com and get there Pee H Dee's from the WNHO or out of a Cheerio's box

Like you! You should be happy. A hand full of hill billies still listen to you and consider you an expert. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth Rick.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:09am PT
It migbt help your green tech laden stock portfolio Bruce, but for the average Joe and Jane it is just another large indirect tax hike that takes the developed worlds standard of living down a few more notches into the realm of the third world. I guess that's the point of it all in the end; equality and control among the serfdom.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:12am PT
If you don't like being knocked down the totem pole why do you keep voting for Sarah Palin?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:14am PT
This exchange began in another thread. I moved it here because it's about this thread.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Jun 4, 2014 - 07:58am PT
Oh man, not that again Sketch. I addressed all your points, (1), (2), and (3), directly. I cleared all that stuff up. Do we need to drag everybody through it again? You want me again to post my answer to (2), it seems I have already, over dozen times.

I don't expect you to acknowledge my posts on this, because it's too easy for you to continue to post your crap over and over.

Too funny. Another classic K-man ploy. You claim you've addressed questions, even though you haven't.

1) You made excuses for not backing up your boast.

2) You've not quoted any of my opinions. If I'm wrong, please re-post my opinions. I'm not interested in some silly "you posted a cartoon, that proves X" convoluted nonsense. I'm asking for my opinions, which is what you offered to quote.

3) I didn't post "a reasonable study". It was a blog article.

And lastly, you claimed I didn't believe the current studies. What's the basis of that? And remember, I've already clarified that my take on the Antarctica cartoon was that it was mocking the media.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:39am PT
Hey Rick I found another source of embarrassment highlighting your self edoomakatin' and chest pounding confidence in your own council, which might not make the blog pages of Right Stuff dot com so I thought I'd post it here for you.

America dumbs down
The U.S. is being overrun by a wave of anti-science, anti-intellectual thinking. Has the most powerful nation on Earth lost its mind?

Jonathon Gatehouse
May 15, 2014



South Carolina’s state beverage is milk. Its insect is the praying mantis. There’s a designated dance—the shag—as well a sanctioned tartan, game bird, dog, flower, gem and snack food (boiled peanuts). But what Olivia McConnell noticed was missing from among her home’s 50 official symbols was a fossil. So last year, the eight-year-old science enthusiast wrote to the governor and her representatives to nominate the Columbian mammoth. Teeth from the woolly proboscidean, dug up by slaves on a local plantation in 1725, were among the first remains of an ancient species ever discovered in North America. Forty-three other states had already laid claim to various dinosaurs, trilobites, primitive whales and even petrified wood. It seemed like a no-brainer. “Fossils tell us about our past,” the Grade 2 student wrote.

And, as it turns out, the present, too. The bill that Olivia inspired has become the subject of considerable angst at the legislature in the state capital of Columbia. First, an objecting state senator attached three verses from Genesis to the act, outlining God’s creation of all living creatures. Then, after other lawmakers spiked the amendment as out of order for its introduction of the divinity, he took another crack, specifying that the Columbian mammoth “was created on the sixth day with the other beasts of the field.” That version passed in the senate in early April. But now the bill is back in committee as the lower house squabbles over the new language, and it’s seemingly destined for the same fate as its honouree—extinction.

What has doomed Olivia’s dream is a raging battle in South Carolina over the teaching of evolution in schools. Last week, the state’s education oversight committee approved a new set of science standards that, if adopted, would see students learn both the case for, and against, natural selection.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/america-dumbs-down/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:52am PT
so install greasemonkey already

these intellectual morons don't deserve an audience
barry ohm

Trad climber
escondido, ca
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:52am PT
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/energy-and-environment/-clean-coal--technologies/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 4, 2014 - 08:58am PT
A week ago I took my second cousin, a geophysicist with an extreme save the planet eco bent, on a little hike up the Talkeetna range' Gunsight Mountain. Here, in the metamorphosed sandstones, lies a library of Devonian sea denizens. You have many species of clams, ammonites and the occasional trilobite fossils. She is from a devout catholic family and was never subjected to this "creationist biblical" explanation of the world you so often attribute to knuckle dragging Christians. Where is this backwards population you so often allude to Bruce?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:01am PT
Saved for posterity of this wonderful thread...


Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal

Jun 4, 2014 - 08:47am PT
That is one butt f*#k ugly dude
What's his name again?
"Dick Poleditck"


He, Fortmental and KMAN, they must all join hands in the same sandbox at least once a week. Tickling each others...


Got to give em credit, at least they stick together like flies on a fresh piece of dog doo. Eating away at their hearts content.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 09:12am PT
why so much hate the chief?
The Chief

climber
Laughing at all the Sheep from atop the Hill
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:18am PT
KMAN, love the way you steal other's punch lines.


You're definitely showing your inability to formulate any independent original thought.


Sad...


Probably the reason you initiated this thread in the first place.


But what do you expect from a sheep.


Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:19am PT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz

Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 08:49am PT
Oh man, I come over here to read the latest on AWG, and look what the cat dragged in.


(1) I showed how you distorted what I said. I wrote a very long post detailing how you distort what I say. Right below is more proof of your distortions:

More of the same from K-man. It's always "I already addressed that.... in a long post". But we never see the post. Funny how that works out.

Now, you're saying "Right below is more proof of your distortions:" but there's nothing there. WTF?

(2) I quoted your opinion already. You said your post was "trollery." Forget that exchange? You are distorting the truth and what I have written. Do I need to spend time finding the post, all so you can ignore it again? F*#kin' stop your lies.

Again, with the "I've quoted your opinion already".

BULLSH#T!

And about my saying an individual post was trollery, you twisted it into "it's where you claimed you were nothing but a troll". Is this what you mean by purposely misrepresenting someone?

(3) You posted a five-year old OpEd. You even apologized because you posted the wrong one.

That doesn't change the fact that your impication that I presented it as a reasonable study was BS. You were still wrong.

We have been over this Sketch. I thought you said you would stop.

Right. But today, you said "Show where I've made up crap."

Did you already forget about that?

You said that I keep bring it up. But you lie, it's you who keeps bring this up, after I do my best to address directly your questions and claims.

I wrote a long post explaining where I got my opinion on why I believe you didn't believe the "current studies." It's my opinion and I explained in detail how I got my view.

Really? Where is it?

I do recall you posting a long post, where you repeatedly claimed to answer my questions. Unfortunately, you didn't include the questions, which made it nearly impossible to know what questions you were answering.

Here, again:

The cartoon had nothing to do with exaggerated media claims. It was a direct denouncement of the conclusions of the WAIS studies. I showed why, and I said that your posting of that cartoon was one reason why I said you didn't believe the current studies.

That's not my opinion, which you said you would quote.

It's you making interpretations that were different from my stated interpretations and claiming I endorsed your interpretation.

Quote my opinion.

Is anybody else tired of Sketch's bullsh#t? What will make him stop. I am beginning to feel stalked.

Sketch, do me a favor: Shut up when you talk to me.

Save us the silly "I'm a victim" drama. I pointed out your hypocrisy.

Did you ignore my single sentence post? Or did you return fire?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 4, 2014 - 09:20am PT
Look in the mirror rick. It is quite well documented, but like I said you need to be more discerning as to which documentation you chose.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2014 - 09:41am PT
Sketch, today you said this:

2) You've not quoted any of my opinions.


Back on May 28, I quoted your opinion on AWG (at least you said it was your opinion):

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2418930#msg2418930


Now please stop the nonsense.
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