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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 24, 2014 - 11:37am PT
Indeed it is Sketch, something that some people are trying to support and others are actually obstructing.

And as I asked you once or twice before and you never did answer, what is the alternative?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 11:37am PT
However, it requires the cooperation of all players.

First one on that hit list...









Good luck on that one.


Especially with the buffoon extremist attitudes of the likes of BRUCEE KY and FUKEDWARFEDICKMENTAL.

Put clowns like them on the "AGW" team to motivate the Chinese to change their current single minded path of world industrial and economic conquest, you are certainly fuked!
dirtbag

climber
Jan 24, 2014 - 11:50am PT
Hit #1 from #1. The Chief of Crapola was up late posting his usual gobblygoop.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 24, 2014 - 11:55am PT
how exactly do you you substantiate this claim of my extremism?


No I'm not asking yiou Chuff. You are after all a bit of an extreme extremist.

My question is posed to Sketch ...... no forget that, he dosn't answer anything.

I pose this to Dick Dumbner....... Wait, he dosn't like tricky questions either.


Wrong? forget it.

I know - Werner Braun! He has a nice pat answer for everything.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 24, 2014 - 11:58am PT
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to accompany Chiefs pics..


Seems strange,, that China continues to add to its coal use - a charter member of the UN/IPCC.


(anudda prime example of the ridiculous UN club)


And even with their increase in fossil fuel burning, somehow that pesky .06 hasnt gone up for 17 years- along with the increased pollution by places like,, CHINA. Seems cornfused to me.



Now if CO2 is the driver,, and china is producing more than us and most of the rest of the world, then the numbers should be far ABOVE what we see, instead of a flatline in temps. Correct?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 11:59am PT
how exactly do you you substantiate this claim of my extremism?

1. Look in the mirror lately?

2. Insistent denial of the reality called.... Reality (Life On Earth Today).
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:07pm PT
Wait until the situation is bad enough that worldwide cooperation is possible?

Have a single government for the planet, thereby forcing global cooperation?

Adapt?

Until the leadership of all of the high emission countries are on board, nothing substantial will happen.

All this talk (among the sheeple) of gloom and doom is little more than a rhetorical exercise. I'm amazed that so many people don't get this.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
If you have the vision to see and will to act, reality is not a thousands shades of grey. Hundreds of billions of dollars per EU country is no small sum of cooperation, particularly when it drives industry that employs the people to China and the "skyrocketing energy costs" picks the pockets of the consumers that keep the economy afloat. The answer you guys are looking for will never be found in China, rather it is underfoot everywhere in the form of abundant stocks of NG, in new generation nuclear, in defunding CAGW terrorism and redirecting the funding to applied science of actually making the clean energy you imagine into cost effective alternatives. If we have the acceptance of the realities of the world, realization of the black and white roads forward, and the will to stay the course, regardless of irrational naysayers, well then it might just not be "The Chinese century".

Bruce, as a B.C. commie you should practice what you preach on the only field you have influence, the extremely local one. Your sphere of influence might well not extend past the bubble enclosing you.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
Listen Chuff rick Pudknocker or whatever your cowards name is, If you claim that I am an extremist you better back it up with something. Are you a coward? Is that all you have - your assertions and insults? I got a lot more than insults to claim your extremism.

If you have even half a ball left then buck up

goddamn coward

Sumner - how do you know I'm not? Before you wag your finger do some research
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^



CAGW terrorism? LMAO. How about redirecting those oil subsidies to clean technology research?


They have you complete moron.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cleantech-crash-60-minutes/


85% if not greater of those clean energy venture'a that failed here in the United States (many due to "environmental" controls imposed by the Eco-Freak Liberal Congress) and were bought by and taken here:




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
There are many things being kept from mass production right now over $$$$.

Energy systems, motors etc etc. Even big pharma isnt producing right now over TORT and other concerns with $$$$$.

Then the govt is giving MASSIVE loans and propping up the fossil fuel burning auto industry at the same time they engage in this AGW direction. But the only thing concrete we have heard is of "sky rocketing energy prices"..

This is the ol shell game, pick pocket style i might add.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/china-deployed-more-solar-in-2013-than-america-has-installed-all-time



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:26pm PT
Mono,, they HAVE to employ twice as many panels due to twice as thick air- which had twice as less sun penetration..duuhhhhh


because of:


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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:28pm PT
Your right, Anderson. That's why China's solar market will continue it's rapid growth for a long time.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
While at the same time buying the most coal out of all other countries.

And the 2nd largest world economy is falling like a rock these days.. I wouldnt plan on long term solar panel production if i were you.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:32pm PT

You couldn't be more wrong. Examples abound of civilizations that collapsed because their culture was incapable of managing their resources, their populations, and their neighbors. Ours is a tiny little global island in the middle of nowhere... fuk it up and we have nowhere to go. Even the Dalai Lama said as much.

I think you misunderstood Sketch's post (although maybe I misunderstood his or yours).
I think all of the frequent recent posters pretty much agree that nothing much will be done about climate change anytime soon, even if something should be done.
Ed's "Nash equilibrium" analysis is I suppose the most formal way to explain it, but in typical Ed fashion he takes a point that is fairly simple (or at least not rocket science) and complicates it up so much that most people lose interest.
In the basic "law and economics" terminology that I'm somewhat familiar with, the principle is generally explained as "the tragedy of the commons" and the "prisoners' dilemma." No math or mathematical notation is necessary to understand the basic point.

It is slightly interesting, at least to me, that the most obvious "solution" to this problem is something like a single world government. We can consider whether a dim awareness of this shapes people's views on climate change and what should be the response to it.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
Listen Chuff rick Pudknocker or whatever your cowards name is, If you claim that I am an extremist you better back it up with something. Are you a coward? Is that all you have - your assertions and insults? I got a lot more than insults to claim your extremism.

If you have even half a ball left then buck up

goddamn coward

Sumner - how do you know I'm not? Before you wag your finger do some research

Too funny.

Your preferred MO is attacking on a personal level... going after person's character... their ethics. Now that you're on the receiving end, you turn into a pissy little bitch... er... um... I mean an internet tough guy.

Bravo!!!
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:54pm PT
You couldn't be more wrong. Examples abound of civilizations that collapsed because their culture was incapable of managing their resources, their populations, and their neighbors. Ours is a tiny little global island in the middle of nowhere... fuk it up and we have nowhere to go. Even the Dalai Lama said as much.

We've been talking about this for 25 years. What's it gotten us?

CO2 levels continue to climb.

Coal and crude consumption continues to climb.

Please enlighten me to positive changes resulting from the sheeple discussing this issue.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
I think BK suffers from internet tourette syndrome.. I have a mental pic of him, setting in a darkened corner, wearing a tutu and yammering away vocally as he types his disdain.. Probably throws stuff now and then - perhaps rising out of the chair to kick a passing dog. He has full size blowups of the Chief and Rick on the wall which when he stares at,, then gets a tingle in his nether regions.. I think at this point he is squarely in DENIAL city and banging on the closet door for release...

Thankfully he is is BC..
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
The Chinese Solar industry is an excellent example of how State Capitalism is going to clean our clocks unless we change out of our "individualistic" fantasies. China let the US fund R&D for solar technologies knowing the US never subsidizes development of said technologies (the guvmints role is not to pick "winners"). Once companies formed to manufacture new solar cells, China undercut panel prices, effectively bankrupting the US industry.

China then bought up all those technologies that the US paid for....at 3 cents on the dollar, only to sell us back panels manufactured with our own tech. Thanks US gubmint (for picking China as the winner)!

Yup.


They sure have.


One reason!


They have absolutely NO INDUSTRY ENVIRONMENTAL RESTRICTIONS. NONE... ZERO!


I could only imagine the shetfest your sorry ass would be raising if this was the current air situ in Albuqfuk NM if that were the case here in the US and them "clean energy" industries did what they wished and are currently doing in China.

Here's the results of your supposed "clean energy" industry in China!


Oh, that ain't no fog like the shet you and the others got drifting around your brains, either...

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