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raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:52am PT
Thanks, rick. Your comments made my time answering post there worth while.

It is of course not that strange that you came to that conclusion. Kip Hansen seems to be a retired it person that believes that he is on expert on chaos. You are a construction worker or something like that that believes that you are an climate expert. You seems to be very similar.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:15am PT
From the article Bob D'A posted a link for...

Instead of educating themselves via the Internet, most people simply use it to validate what they already suspect, wish or believe to be true. It creates an online environment where Jenny McCarthy, a former Playboy model with a high school education, can become a worldwide leader of the anti-vaccination movement, naysaying the advice of medical professionals.

Same conclusion I have come to. Oh oh.....I got that off the internet!?!!!!!

Oh well, that is my current opinion.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:23am PT
You miss my point Ed. Im not commenting on the veracity of the article, but rather the context of the comments and Ray's entry into the discussion- the gist of which is " Hi im Raymond and im smarter than all of you, I have a PHD in engineering and all of you are wrong since I work with non linear dynamical non chaotic systems all the time". Please read the comment section yourself to see what I mean. There are a number of other PHD'S commenting and I believe Ray's points were already discussed much earlier in the discussion.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:39am PT
Rick, why don't you read the comments in the correct order?

I wrote some comments. Kip "answered" me in one post with a snide remark that I shouldn't feel bad because I didn't understand the subject , without even making any comments on what I had written. I wrote a post were I said that I actually understand the subject.

Kip has actually answered me one more time. Still not commenting on the points I and other people have made though.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:44am PT

There are a number of other PHD'S commenting and I believe Ray's points were already discussed much earlier in the discussion.

No, rick, those point have not been answered. Kip Hansen just do like you and many other "skeptics" do, run away when asked difficult questions about your knowledge.

You already know that you are right so when it is obvious that you are wrong you have only two chooses, admit that you are wrong or run away and we know what people like you, the chief and Kip usually do.



raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:50am PT
I have to admit though that I did a mistake. I recognized* Kip's name and thought that he was actually some kind of a scientist that could made some valid points. If I had not recognized the name or knew that he was a retired it person I would probably not even had read the essay.

*Now I believe that I recognize the name from him participating in the real climate comments section that I sometimes read several years ago.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:52am PT


The yellow band shows the 5% to 95% envelope for the results of 33 CMIP-5 model simulations (19 different models, many with multiple realizations) that are intended to simulate Earth's Climate over the 20th Century.

After 1998, the observations are likely to be below the simulated values, indicating that the simulation as a whole are predicting too much warming.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 11:01am PT
It would be more interesting if you didn't use a temperature record that not even spencer believe is accurate.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Mar 17, 2015 - 11:06am PT
Even Carl Mears of RSS says the surface temp record is more reliable than satelites.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 11:25am PT
Yes, it is his job. The main reason though is that I believe in what a "skeptic" like spencer say more when what he says goes against the "skeptic" world view than the other way around.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 17, 2015 - 11:39am PT
You're projecting...

again.

LOL

I do have a couple of projects I'm working on.

How bout you Sketched? How's the bitter-never climbed has-been trolling politard hiding in some dixie shythole basement gig?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 17, 2015 - 01:12pm PT
Yes raymond we have all heard repeatedly how you are the smartest monkey in the room. But please practice up on your english so we can all better understand just how awesome is the extent of your knowledge. Friggin moron.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
Rick, I love you to.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 01:42pm PT
So I'm working on a paper about wildfire this month, learning more about that topic while pulling together fire, climatology, forest management and survey data. But for a study break I tracked down the data for something I've heard called "the other Keeling Curve."

The Keeling Curve itself visualizes the important measurement series of atmospheric CO2 concentration, started by Charles Keeling at the summit of Mauna Loa in 1958. Here's a version I posted last month:



The upward trend is driven by fossil fuel burning. In fact, we're putting about twice that much new CO2 into the air, but half is getting absorbed by oceans (hence, ocean acidification) and land.

Putting the modern instrumental record together with ice core measurements you get this, the fighter-jet takeoff of the Industrial Revolution:

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
But "the other Keeling Curve," what is that? Makes sense when you think about it, but accurate measurements started more recently. Here's the Mauna Loa series (there are others), showing the relative amount of oxygen left in our air. As we make more CO2, the C comes from fossil fuels and the O2 comes out of the air. So that's another way the atmosphere is changing.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 17, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
I've seen this chart a number times.



It shows cooling, despite increased CO2 levels. Why the discrepancy?

About your oxygen chart - can you tell us how much oxygen levels (as a percentage of the atmosphere) has declined from 1991 to the present?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 02:01pm PT
I've seen this chart a number times.

And you've seen it discussed a number of times, on this thread. Can you recall or find any of those? Probably not on WUWT.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 17, 2015 - 02:20pm PT
And you've seen it discussed a number of times, on this thread. Can you recall or find any of those? Probably not on WUWT.

If I have seen it discussed a number of times (on this thread), I don't remember it.

I did a search and found just one post containing a portion of that graph, which looked dramatically different from the graph I posted.

Perhaps you could explain discrepancy (again).
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 02:30pm PT
Perhaps you could explain discrepancy (again).

Troll on.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 17, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
Sorry to see you go The Chief. You are/were the master here at combating this destructive and
nonsensical movement.

Good fishing to you. We'll stop by to say hello when we get in the neigborhood. So far this winter I've found plenty of good crags and weather to keep me busy ,so have put off the pilgramage to warmer climbing climes.

Raymond don't tell me you're going gay now.
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