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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 10, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
Bruce,that Mt .Hickson looks awesome.

And kidding about skiing is the norm over here to.

Fort,I have whacked a knee or two in my days,I try to stay more compact[upright] during low snowpack times.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Feb 10, 2014 - 05:35pm PT
~~~hiatus post~~~

Eh Bruce, the tele thing is much easier today with the plastic thermo-fit 4 buckle boot attached to active bindings... You been on the new sh!t? The only place I find parallel easier is on groomers. I haven't yet locked my heel but I do parallel on the groom and tele everywhere else. I am learning slowly to para in the crud but my knees don't like it. The only time my knees hurt is after a lot of para practice. Although, if you are going to lay down 1800m's worth of turns then you have a point!

That looks hella thin boney willbeer, it's what knee pads are for eh! If we can't kid about skiing then someone is taking their 1st world problem to upper lifestyler level!

The hoot and the hollar is a big part of my ski day; and I don't ski in the south

~~end of driftly talking about drifting snow style, thread drift...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 10, 2014 - 05:40pm PT
Yeah Cragar,[I loved those mags]I break out the knee pads now and then.

I also paramark inbounds a bit.
TLP

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 05:42pm PT
Wasn't it in NY that there was some loose knit (more like loose nuts) group calling themselves something like Live to Ski, Ski to Die and doing the most hair-raising imaginable horrendous little gully descents through the dense trees, some with mandatory rappels in the middle? Or was that some nightmare I had once?
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Feb 10, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
Hey TLP, do you mean NATO? Maybe not, I think the NATO folks were more into thicketeering than mountainveggieneering
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 10, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
Perhaps we have different definitions. In designing trading systems, curve fitting is the process of adjusting the parameters to achieve the most desirable results.
As a generalization that's just partly true. You start out with a functional form, the curve, then estimate parameters to best fit the data. As a specific about the England et al. graphic it's not even partly true, the graph shows an overlay of physical models and observations, no curve-fitting is in sight.
Perhaps I should use smoothing or optimization, instead.
More mixup. Smoothing can be parametric (curve fitting) or nonparametric (e.g. running means, actually seen in the graphic; or many alternatives such as lowess regression where there's no fixed functional form or explicit parameters so they are almost nonparametric). Running means (seen in the graphic) involve no optimization, they're just arithmetic. Optimization (such as minimizing a sum of squares or maximizing a likelihood function) might be a good way to fit curves if there are parameters, but it's meaningless for nonparametric smoothing.
With Cowtan and Way, they used the kriging method over the oceans and the hybrid method over land and sea ice.
No, they used both over both, and compared their skill both globally and for specific regions.
This combination produced uniquely warm Arctic temps. The Cowtan and Way temperature record showed more warming than the temperature records used.
Because you're mixed up about "combination" this leads to a false conclusion. Their hybrid method combines spatial information from satellite data with temporal information from surface measurements, so its trend could be greater or less than that of either component.
How convenient.
No comment.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 10, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
You mean Ski to Die,and I have skied with a few of em in the Dacks.

They are great ,no, unreal BC skiers.Real good climbers also.

My friend Fred Foster,in Saranac Lake knows all of them,and has taken me "touring" with them a couple of times.

They for the most part are sick.
Credit: wilbeer
This was taken on one of those "tours"
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
cragar, i long ago took the easy way out so no. I don't doubt the big improvement over a couple of decades ( huh... sort of like computer modelling?!) but my spidey senses tell me once you drop your knee to turn, you can't sip from your coffee cup or roll a smoke at the same time!

Come on man you clearly doubt all this AGW stuff

OMG Sketch you are a devious SOB. Out of that long winded post of mine that is the only thing you can pick out to discuss? Whether you doubt or not isn't the issue. It is your integrity that I am challenging. Piss or get off the pot.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
Are you serious? Has he actually stated that? whats that al about - is he some sort of religious kook?
WBraun

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
There's no evolution.

You retards say the same stupid sh!t over and over every day in this thread .....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 10, 2014 - 06:44pm PT
Comedy^^^^^^,Not you Sketch,the Braunanator.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 06:53pm PT
Thanks for keeping it real Werner.

Look Sketch, I don't care if you believe in multiple gods, one or none I only want to know if I can trust you either ethically or your knowledge. Look at it this way. Lets say you don't know jack sh#t about banging boards together or avalanches or climbing or anything at all and you need to know if someone who claims they do is on the level. You can't judge them on their technical skill so what have you got? Ethics. Establishing ethics is intrinsically linked to 2 things: transparency and communication. If when pressed you find that a person resists both, you start building a case that their ethic are sh#t. If their ethics are sh#t there's hardly much point pursuing their technical ability, especially when its easy to find both ethical and skilled people easily.

Thats why I put my trust in the 97% instead of the 3%. Both the ethical standards favor them as well as the technical skill. Combine that with numbers and you'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise. Or an as#@&%e.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
I'm odd and creepy? Because I insist that you provide evidence of moral character????


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... etc

I have to judge you on something and if you provide nothing substantive I'm left to my own conclusions mate
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Youd think Braun would have some insight here. The mystics are usually all over the morality thing like flies on shit
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
When attempting to judge character among the best tools is to test a persons willingness to reveal themselves. We know Sketch's level of social mores as he dosn't hesitate to reveal his own all while complaining about the same from others. Thats all peanuts. Insults and pissing matches just come with the territory. The only thing that matters here is the ability and limits of judgement. You can reveal both your technical ability and your ethical standards, or not. Take TGT for instance. At one point he threw out "I'm in the water business" implying that he could judge water policy in California. When challenged on it he disappeared. The only implications we're left with are that both his ethics and technical ability is in doubt.... perhaps not what he had in mind!

What Sketch won't reveal is his capability to understand, test and verify science. He won't tell us what his technical qualifications are or even his life experiences that may possibly be relevant. He asks questions and he assumes that by doing so he is entitled to some respect. Why? because it implies impartiality and objectivity. Unfortunately, those who are satisfied with implying rather than stating are often also more than happy to decieve.

One way of looking at it is the more you expose yourself, the more vulnerable you are, the only way to defend yourself is with the truth. It also means (not implies but states) that if your position can be successfully challenged (which vulnerability allows) then you have to accept defeat. The funny thing is is that gaining a better understanding of the truth can hardly be considered defeat now can it?

Those who demonstrate evasion, obfuscation, deception and various other forms of avoiding exposure and vulnerability at all costs also demonstrate insecurity. They claim "confidence in their own council" yet when when push comes to shove all they can do is get all pissy and butt hurt and run away. Or get violent. If they were really so damn sure of the truth there would be no reluctance to face challenge.

One things for sure, they will never ever take risks where they are most vulnerable because their self esteem is completely dependent on dominating ideologically. Classic authoritarian personality.


WBraun

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 07:37pm PT
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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
Well come on man.... How about one simple question that might clear up some misundestanding:

Do you believe in creationism ( or intel design) or evolution?
WBraun

climber
Feb 10, 2014 - 07:44pm PT
My computer is intel design

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155

It evolved from a previous intel core duo processor.

Which was created at the intel factory ......
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 10, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
dime a fuking dozen
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Feb 10, 2014 - 09:33pm PT
The "WINDS" which are blowing across and cooling the Pacific Ocean that is now supposedly creating the 17 year "Cooling/Hiatus" period, were at work in the Owens Valley this afternoon. Specifically below the Pleasant Valley Dam in the designated Wild Brown Trout area.

Fortunately for me, 99.9% of today's supposed fly fisherman do not know how to and can not single haul and cast with a stiff wind present thus allowing me the entire river to myself.

Had an awesome day with 14 decent 14-15" Browns on my tied 16-18 Midge/Caddis combo Dry Flies. And six, including a 18" beautiful Bow, caught on an 8 weighted chatreaus bugger drift and stripped.






So, bring on them winds and keep the humans away. Not only do then winds now cool the planet, they make the fishing all that much better.
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