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Jorroh

climber
Mar 16, 2015 - 04:44pm PT
What could be better than Chief and Rick going full throttle....
You can almost hear them banjos playing...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 16, 2015 - 06:03pm PT
the only thing echoing around on this thread is your loudness, The Chief, what have you posted that has any content recently?

Your criticism of the forecasts is rather feeble, first, you don't know what the probability of the NOAA predictions are... how much variability are quoted for those 60, 90 and 120 day forecasts?

And by the way, those aren't "climate" predictions.

Perhaps you could do something useful and track down the statements of precision and accuracy for those.

And as you know El Nino conditions can exist with no increased rainfall in California... but the temps are rather high, look at the lack of snow in the Sierra, and the accelerated spring behavior of the plant life.

My guess is that you could probably be more effective with fewer posts with more (or at least some) content.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 16, 2015 - 06:51pm PT
The dry El Nino, lack of precip or snow at high elevation, the budding plants and trees (yes even here at my place at 5500' in the Pah Rah range), are all just west coast manifestations of weather Ed. You should know better. Please quit with the misrepresentations already, or hitch the horses and head your wagon to your native east where you'll be complaining of the opposite extremes of weather.

As far as the Chiefs total posts; how many thousands of your own posts have you erased when it became obvious to all, including yourself, that your scientific mind on this subject had been corrupted by by the filter of your ideology?
TLP

climber
Mar 16, 2015 - 07:44pm PT
Rick,
What you say about 1976/77 is true, but one doesn't have to go back that far to see this same warm-and-dry-in-the-West/frigid-and-snowy-in-the-Northeast pattern. In fact, you only have to go back to last winter. Less extreme than 76/77, but the same basic pattern. Yet there was no swing of the PDO this year. As you say, maybe next year. Without doubt, there are global temperature effects from the various major oceanic and/or oceanic-atmospheric oscillations. The point is, they're now superimposed on an underlying continuous warming (slight, moderate, or major depending upon one's persuasion), so the global curve ratchets upward and upward rather than cycling up and down around a level long term mean.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 16, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
so I guess you don't know what the accuracy and precision of the NOAA forecasts are...
nor do you understand the difference between a weather forecast and a climate forecast.

But you sure like to state your misunderstanding in as loud a manner as possible.

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 16, 2015 - 11:26pm PT
raymond phule

climber
Mar 16, 2015 - 11:33pm PT
The chief's trolling method is to write more than everyone else. A good troll is someone that writes a few posts to start and continue a heated discussion.

The chief is not a good troll.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:56am PT
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/39950/20150317/climate-change-in-australia-may-drive-up-prices-of-beer-wine-and-other-consumables.htm

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/40270/20150317/al-gore-proposes-to-punish-climate-change-deniers.htm

http://abc7news.com/weather/nasa-official-says-calif-has-one-year-of-water-left/558932/
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:59am PT

Yet, here you are...

reacting to his posts.

Ok, so you think that he has a good track record when I maybe react on 1 in 100 of his posts for my own entertainment?

I realize that you also are very proud of your trolling because I wrote an answer...

The trolling just became strange when the troll himself sit at the computer 15 hours per day and post more than all other people combined during that time period.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:25am PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/16/the-melting-of-antarctica-was-already-really-bad-it-just-got-worse/



The chief embraces his ignorance and wears with it with such pride.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:25am PT
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?dcid=PDg9PTU7PSc%2C&cur=0&ftr=Climate+Change+skeptics
BOOKMARK THE LINK ABOVE AND WATCH THE NUMBER GROW AS FAST THAN THE NATIONAL DEBT UNDER TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL OBAMA!!!!1111

When Chief has something else going on in his life, sometimes a grownup conversation breaks out here. Pretty much can't when he's venting full steam.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:39am PT

You just can't stand it when myself and a handful of others barge in on this thread and break up your scientism hand holding kiss a thon.

I doubt that anyone on this thread even read more than 10% of what you post and I am sure that no one think you are some kind of a threat to their "scientism".

A screaming 5 year old is a good characteristic of your posting style and how interesting your post are.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:59am PT

1 in 100?

You're 2 in 4 (that's 50% for the math illiterate) on this page.
You really got me there... One possibility is that 2 of 4 out of many thousands posts don't really show the correct statistics?

Do you trow a dice once, get a 5 and conclude that you always get a dice if you throw a dice?

Or maybe you think that because sketch posted once in the last 5 minutes doesn't imply that sketch post 105120 times a year?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2015 - 08:23am PT
Why do you let [The] Chief dictate the conversation?


Nobody lets him. Eddie, ever heard of a "signal-to-noise ratio"? It's a grown-up term.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 17, 2015 - 08:56am PT
You know Raymond, I went over to the article in WUWtT and read your comments. In the context of the flow of what was being discussed you were stuck on stupid, just as you are here. You're lucky anyone took you seriously enough to answer even a single of your questions. Put your coke bottle glasses back on and stick with engineering seat covers for auto suppliers or whatever other "highly important" function you perform in your smug little world. You've opened up whole new categories of the definition of ignorant.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:02am PT
so rick, what is a "chaotic" system? you have no idea what the science of non-linear dynamical systems is... you have very likely never even read Lorenz's paper (which I posted a link to above) and you couldn't understand the article even if you did read it... and you certainly aren't read in the literature that was initiated by Lorenz's article.

The WUWT article is a very poor piece, basically it asserts a number of ideas that are either wrong, inappropriate, or unsubstantiated. Reading popular science books is not a very good basis for making a scientific argument.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2015 - 09:09am PT
That's a copout, [k-man].

"Cop-out." That's a big word for a some folks, Eddie. And it seems like signal-to-noise ratio is too big of a concept for you to understand, if you think that's a cop-out.


BTW, ever hear back from Scientific American? You know, the firm that published the quote with which you were having so much trouble? Seems like you really had a beef with them (I mean, you went on and on about that quote).

In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.

I'd be really interested in hearing what they have to say about this, that is if you didn't cop-out from contacting them.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:09am PT
You know Raymond, I went over to the article in WUWtT and read your comments. In the context of the flow of what was being discussed you were stuck on stupid, just as you are here.

Funny thing is, Raymond has a PhD and expertise in linear and nonlinear dynamical systems. Rick doesn't even know what those words mean, but based on his ideology he is sure they are "stupid."

This, folks, is all-out Dunning-Kruger.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:09am PT


rest in peace Billy Gray
rest in peace Billy Gray
Credit: speedway



Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:37am PT
Rick and chief are part of the group of current science deniers that is sweeping across America.


http://www.macleans.ca/politics/america-dumbs-down/

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