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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 24, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
Hey Dick Bummer, remember how I called your ass on accusing our esteemed ST science guys of malfeasance? You know how I suggested you needed more than an idea to accuse someone of professional misconduct? Remember how you ran away like a little girl without the guts to back it up?


A Win for the Climate Scientist Skeptics Compared to Jerry Sandusky
As the judge green-lights his libel suit, the defendants' lawyers jump ship.
—By Mariah Blake | Fri Jan. 24, 2014 3:00 AM GMT
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In 2012—after writers for National Review and a prominent conservative think tank accused him of fraud and compared him to serial child molester Jerry Sandusky—climate scientist Michael Mann took the bold step of filing a defamation suit. The defendants moved to have the case thrown out, citing a Washington, DC, law that shields journalists from frivolous litigation. But on Wednesday, DC Superior Court Judge Frederick Weisberg rejected the motion, opening the way for a trial.

Although public figures like Mann have to clear a high bar to prove defamation, Weisberg argued that the scientist's complaint may pass the test. And he brushed aside the defendants' claims that the fraud allegations were "pure opinion," which is protected by the First Amendment:

Accusing a scientist of conducting his research fraudulently, manipulating his data to achieve a predetermined or political outcome, or purposefully distorting the scientific truth are factual allegations. They go to the heart of scientific integrity. They can be proven true or false. If false, they are defamatory. If made with actual malice, they are actionable.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/01/michael-mann-climategate-court-victory

You can't just run around saying any outrageous stuff that pops into your feeble mind you know. Same with that fathead Chuff. You call me an extremist you better come up with something good you worthless dog turd. Lucky for both of you you're a couple of little pissant light weights. We can chock up your piss poor ethical standards to having no assets to lose. That gives you all the cover you need - your bottom feeder position at the bottom of the ladder. Carry on.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 24, 2014 - 08:40pm PT
Mr. Mann will rue the day when he exposed himself to a legal and journalistic treasure hunt that is discovery.


He really thinks it's brilliant to take on Mark Stein in front of a jury no less?

LOL
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 24, 2014 - 08:57pm PT


Have you always been such a sore loser Bruce? Do you judge yourself as critically as others? Have you ever been able to keep friends?

You say you are soon to be vacationing down this way. Perhaps a face to face visit is in order. Can i interest you in a day of tromping the high rimrock for chukar or a visit to one of our tailing piles?

After 4 days recovering from flu enough to finally get out to the hills again i come back to your shet. Get over it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 24, 2014 - 09:01pm PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 24, 2014 - 09:10pm PT
I'm just getting side tracked by a property sale Rick but I doubt I'd be interested in your little gravel quarry when I get to it. It'll either be the west side (the valley or J tree) or the east side ( Bishop or even Moab).

Yes I have friends just none of you idiots. nothing personal, merely a matter of ethics. My friends have some. You are hilarious. Willing to discus anything but the fact that your pants have fallen down. If you were a professional - unlikely see how you're inclined to bury supply lines in exterior walls - you'd know a thing or two about ethics and accountability. You don't so I doubt you are. If you were a friend of mine same thing regardless of profession.

Hey TGT (speaking of idiots) your pal Mark Steyn will be challenged on his grasp of science, by a scientist. How do you think thats going to play out? The same way it played out for the "Intelligent design" people?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 24, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
Too bad they won't sell tickets!

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:01pm PT
The "pollution game" gets worse as time goes on....

60% if not more of the daily things you use are made in and by the worlds biggest human caused C02 emitter and polluter. Even the inner tubes you have inside that bike you ride daily to work, the computer you type and transmit all your propaganda on as well as any new Black Diamond cams and other assorted climbing gear etc etc etc. They are ALL made there.... China.

So, cease the finger pointing. Turn that finger around and aim it at yourself because you are as much as part of the problem as anyone else.

Oh the hypocrisy...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
Haven't our CO2 emissions (not that it is proven they are hazardous and a net negative to the environment) here in the good ol U.S.A. been on the decline over the last decade, largely due to the switch from coal to gas and improved efficiencies, Dr. Hartouni? Could we not make very significant further decreases through full use of NG, embracement of new nuclear in the proper locales of course, solving the storage problem of wind and solar, further efficiencies in space heating and vehicle mileage etc. Wouldn't the aforementioned measures attract manufacturing back to these shores and consequently boost employment, tax revenues, american consumerism of added american made products? Couldn't the same measures be taken throughout the western world? Would this decrease the growth rate of China and other developing nations who pay only lip service to environmental concerns while releasing untold quantities of real pollutants? Why do extremists stand in the way of such rational improvements?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:16pm PT
The Chief...You will remain a hypocrite Until you bolt a side-car onto every bike in your quiver ...Hypocrite...!
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
I'm just getting side tracked by a property sale Rick but I doubt I'd be interested in your little gravel quarry when I get to it. It'll either be the west side (the valley or J tree) or the east side ( Bishop or even Moab).

Yes I have friends just none of you idiots. nothing personal, merely a matter of ethics. My friends have some. You are hilarious. Willing to discus anything but the fact that your pants have fallen down. If you were a professional - unlikely see how you're inclined to bury supply lines in exterior walls - you'd know a thing or two about ethics and accountability. You don't so I doubt you are. If you were a friend of mine same thing regardless of profession.

Hey TGT (speaking of idiots) your pal Mark Steyn will be challenged on his grasp of science, by a scientist. How do you think thats going to play out? The same way it played out for the "Intelligent design" people?

Bruce... the problem... which don't seem to realize... is...

you've got no game.

Try... and try again..

you're gonna always come up short.

It is what it is.
TLP

climber
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:51pm PT
Why do extremists stand in the way of such rational improvements?

One might be a wag and ask, extremists on which side? (Which, I think it is both.)

But anyway, these are all great things in my view too, irrespective of CO2 concerns. Someday the fossils run out, and the earlier that good substitutes are on line, the less bad things happen, domestically and globally, when that starts to happen. But I think it will not have the effect you suppose is possible: it will not act to reduce China's emissions or share of manufacturing. The problem is, coal is just way too cheap, because the environmental costs of using it (both air pollution - mercury etc., even if you are not concerned about CO2 - and habitat/watershed destruction with minimal reclamation) are not being paid. China has painted itself into a corner of requiring a certain supply of additional jobs every year to maintain their desperately prized social stability (the country is just way too big to use the North Korea military approach), and these cannot be created without continuing to increase coal consumption at the rates we've seen in graphs right here. So, no, the only way to really steer that battleship is for global trade systems to develop some spine and insist on some minimal labor and environmental standards. But that is intensely unpalatable to both "free-market" advocates and corporate interests.

Plus, doing some of the stuff you advocate is exactly the favoritism that is widely criticized. Mileage standards are even-handed, but any other preferences run into one or another lobby. If you want to tilt fuel use in the ways you suggest, the best, fairest, most innovation-friendly solution is what's advocated by the Economist: carbon tax. But that's a tax. And I would agree with you that it shouldn't just be another heap of cash to be ill-spent.

So, we're kind of stuck with the ongoing trends. Hence my opinion that we should just figure out the science well enough to deal with that future climate. Which has the benefit that, if it were to prove that CO2 weren't all that important (highly unlikely I think), you'd be all set for a lot of bad sh!t that could just come down the road from natural occurrences.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 10:59pm PT
The Chief...You will remain a hypocrite Until you bolt a side-car onto every bike in your quiver ...Hypocrite...!

RJ... that made about as much sense as this entire thread.


Obviously your latest delusional post is only because you are distraught that your favorite watering hole, Whiskey Creek, is done and closed.


But that's a tax. And I would agree with you that it shouldn't just be another heap of cash to be ill-spent.....we should just figure out the science well enough to deal with that future climate.

Ah, one in the same. Tax money being ill spent on the science that after 40 plus years still hasn't a fking clue as to what and how. Just tons and tons of Pal Reviewed fiction that contains thousands of acronyms, the verbiage of "IF", "COULD" and "ASSUMED" etc, loads of %'s and all the statistical figures with pretty graphs that make them appear like they mean/tell us all something meaningful.

In the mean time, CHINA keeps blasting shet into the air cus dudes as yourself are buying Black Diamond CHINA manufactured gear.

Perfect.

TLP

climber
Jan 25, 2014 - 12:02am PT
In the mean time, CHINA keeps blasting shet into the air

I'm confused, haven't you spent hundreds of posts explaining why this doesn't matter? Same for smog: SO2, NOx, all that stuff comes out of volcanic eruptions, and there have been huge ones of those in the last, oh, 500 million years.

Besides, isn't China just the absolute business paradise we are always told we ought to have here? None of those pesky environmental and health regulations that get such a bad rap. What's a few thousand mining deaths every year when you are producing? No labor unions, and on and on. Isn't it just BD's "freedom" to dump its US workforce and outsource to China?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 25, 2014 - 12:13am PT
BD is only BD cus the people buy and use their shet. The people are those on this thread that are fighting to cease the industrial revolution to fight AGW in order to save mankind. But they will look the other way in order to appease their wants and habits on the weekends.


It's the AGW bullshet ideology propaganda that doesn't matter. Cus it aint gonna change what goes on for the rest of 75% or more of this planet.

Just create more taxes here in the US of A to pay for the growing CLIMATE SCIENTISM RESEARCH PAL REVIEWED INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX that has yet to do shet about anything. Nor will they evidenced by the biggest offenders on this planet that just keep giving us the finger as we keep buying and using their goods.

Like the masses of them fancy Climate Change "computer" models. They are all created on products produced in... China.


Oh the hypocrisy.
WBraun

climber
Jan 25, 2014 - 01:15am PT
You're a coward!
Braunini

Big Wall climber
cupertino
Jan 25, 2014 - 01:28am PT
stupid americans
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 25, 2014 - 09:25am PT
Braun, someday you are going to have to explain yourself. If not here then maybe when you are surprised to find out there really is a heaven, and a gate keeper.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 25, 2014 - 09:29am PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC

Jan 25, 2014 - 06:25am PT
Braun, someday you are going to have to explain yourself. If not here then maybe when you are surprised to find out there really is a heaven, and a gate keeper.






Bruccee KY...

I suggest you give him some recommendations on what to tell that "gate keeper" cus you certainly are the best qualified here to do so.

Come on Brucee KY, be Werner's buddy and give him some pointers...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 25, 2014 - 09:37am PT
Suggest all you want.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 25, 2014 - 09:46am PT
At least you have the balls to admit that you are the champ and indeed have some good recommendations on how to bullshet that "gate keeper".


Good on you, Brucee KY!

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