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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2014 - 10:48am PT
Aren't those Russians clever, by taking advantage of the conditions the ship would operate in?

They must have taken engineering 101 classes.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 23, 2014 - 10:58am PT
Tropical water would cool those nukes just fine IMHO.

I don't think that's true. The Arktika class was specifically designed to be cooled by cold water, as in the conditions pictured above. Russia does operate non-nuclear icebreakers around Antarctica, where they're often leased by other countries (including the US) who need heavy breaking done.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 23, 2014 - 11:00am PT
There's no real military need to plow ship canals in Antarctic ice, is there? No economic need either.

Who gives a sh#t about ice breaking in the Antarctic, anyway?

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 23, 2014 - 11:08am PT
There's no real military need to plow ship canals in Antarctic ice, is there? No economic need either.
Who gives a sh#t about ice breaking in the Antarctic, anyway?

You trolling, Dingus?
I never did tell that story about who named the Transantarctic Mountains.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 23, 2014 - 11:10am PT
Sure, every post is a troll.

The point remains, why would Russia even need to send an arctic icebreaker down south?

For rent money, apparently :)

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 23, 2014 - 11:39am PT
PS: Dingus.... Yes Ice Breakers are utilized in Antarctica to cut the sea ice into Mac Town for the several replenishing ships on an annual basis. They resupply MacMurdo and all the Climate Scientists down there.

Yep, I know.

But I wasn't talking about American goals to dominate the planet. I am talking about Russian military and economic needs - they don't have any in antartica, do they?

There is this big barge in San Francisco (actually there are many of them) - can never be sailed out of the bay, by design. It can't haul cargo to China or even SoCal.

Idiot designers missed the boat?

No. Seems to me in both cases the engineers built something for a specific task, and not a swiss army knife?

Just thinking out loud?

DMT

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 23, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
So what are you saying Chief?

Are the Russians stupid?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 23, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
Let's talk military sh#t some more.

Naw stick to your expertise Bruce.

Lol.

DMT
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Dec 23, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
^^ ^^^^
..as climate truther B.K. demonstrates

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Dec 23, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
Modern Climate change hoaxing is the same type of silliness as the Geocentric solar system belief system of hundreds of years past.

The greatest minds of those times also developed and published hugely complex models to 'prove' the Earth was the center of the universe and everything, Sun, planets, stars, all revolved around us.
They were wrong just like today's AGW truthers.

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 23, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
But Ding, ya don't have to be an expert to have an opinion!

Good one Bruce!
That should be the subtitle of this thread.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/12/23/if-all-you-see-1352/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
Modern Climate change hoaxing is the same type of silliness as the Geocentric solar system belief system of hundreds of years past.


So Dave, what makes you think that we are not the center of the universe?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 23, 2014 - 09:40pm PT
Adding .05% to the mass of the atmosphere annually of a stronger greenhouse gas than the average atmosphere has no affect on temperature.

A 40% increase in the concentration of CO2 over the last 250 years has no effect on temperature.

The deniers expect me to believe this? How can I beleive that Rick?

Sorry not going to believe that without EXTRAORDINARY evidence in favor of a bizarre hypothesis.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 24, 2014 - 06:27am PT
"It's kind of something we've seen a lot of lately," said meteorologist Jeff Masters of the Weather Underground. "You get major kinks in the jet stream. You get warm air where you don't usually see it in the North and cold air where you don't see it very often in the South."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/01/23/alaska-warm-weather/4798481/


remember this?
http://southingtonobserver.com/2014/02/25/winter-weather-will-be-slow-to-subside-says-accuweather/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 24, 2014 - 08:09am PT
You realize , of course ClimbSki, that the anthropogenic contribution of the current CO2 rise is but 3% of the total released into the atmosphere? Where does the other 97% come from and through what process? That is what you should be asking yourself instead of stewing on canned propaganda crammed between your ears that Is gumming up your thought processes then provoking the precribed attacks against those labeled deniers.




climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 24, 2014 - 08:10am PT
Good for you. But please, cease insisting as a select few here and throughout the world do that yours is the ONLY reality that we must all succumb and choose to believe and live by.

Are you saying that since it is impossible to get everyone to believe anything we should not insist on anybody following any regulations they don't believe in?

Or just the ones you don't believe in? Or just some of the ones you don't believe in?

The AGW debate as it is going on this thread is just ..so elementary and pretty boring if you are not into drama.

Much more interesting is what to do about it. Which requires knowing when and what the future impacts will be. Very difficult science there. A place where there is much room for reasonable debate

Then it requires concrete steps to alleviate any expected serious impacts. Ones that do not cause as many or more problems than they solve. Preferably steps that are better than the current status quo in all possible scenarios. Things like clean efficiently produced energy. Anything that is a positive economically and environmentall for the majority of people.

This is where the AGW debate interests me.

Too bad it's very difficult to have this discussion.

Anyway.. Have a great Christmas Chief, and all of you :)
raymond phule

climber
Dec 24, 2014 - 08:16am PT
Lol, rick sumner continues to say the same incorrect things over and over again. His misunderstanding has been explained to him many times but that doesn't stop a "free thinker" like him.

I guess that there are no articles about the carbon cycle in his (imaginary) pile of articles on his desk (in a room that he never seem to be in for same reason).
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 24, 2014 - 08:23am PT
Interesting questions to me are.

Will global warming increase or decrease the overall amount surface fresh water.How about locally in various key food production centers? What should we do to adjust to possible changes. Will Los Angeles benefit or be harmed by climate change?. The central valley? Nebraska and Kansas. Northern Italy. Africa?

How rapidly?

SO many good questions. SO many possible strategies to deal with changes.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 24, 2014 - 08:42am PT
Are you denying reality again Raymond? Please show us the definitive studies showing the anthropogenic portion of CO2 release exceeds the single digits percentage of the total.

As for the water issues ClimbSki; you have some legitamate concerns there. Short term many of those mentioned areas are in drought ( unless of course the current El Nino changes the precip pattern on americas west coast), long term change is in the cards, even the Sahara wad once a lush, green, land of lakes and streams a mere 5000 years ago. If humans want to farm and live in desert areas one would think that they better quit tge paralyzing handwringing, endless studies, and get busy with engineering some solutions.
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