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Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 25, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
http://www.ipcc.ch/
A deceptive project for scaring the public to get money.

Funded by Billionaires Tom Steyer and George Soros
blatant lie
Thanks, good work

Billionaires Tom Steyer and George Soros do not fund the IPCC, the Government does as a public service.

The opposite of duping the public
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 25, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
Impressive, Dave



Bob D'A

Goodbye east coast...:-)

Boy howdy... it's encased in ice.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 25, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
Craig, good to have you back and posting under your own real name, rather than drooling bile as an avatar. I wasn't following what happened to precipitate your untimely departure from this freindly little virtual campfire. Was it a total meltdown in response to the midtern elections? Is Hedge still alive or did he suicide over the failure of his new demographic?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Feb 25, 2015 - 06:03pm PT
I will only participate in this thread when it is safe to have a civil discourse

It hasn't been civil for some time, so I did not post.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 25, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
Congratulations Craig, on the new high bar you have set. It makes a big difference when posting under your own name for all the world to see ;don't you agree?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 25, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
First direct observation of carbon dioxide's increasing greenhouse effect at Earth's surface
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 26, 2015 - 07:17am PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 26, 2015 - 07:49am PT
Based on a quick search, Merchant of Doubt looks like another warmist dud.

Last year, we were treated to The Years of Living Dangerously. Despite plenty of promotion, it was essentially ignored by the viewing public.

Now we have Merchant of Doubt. It was released two months ago. I checked out the synopsis at IMDb.

The message:
It looks like we don't have any Synopsis for this title yet.

Be the first to contribute!

Over on Rotten Tomatoes, a whopping 13 critics (zero top critics) have weighed in.

Dud or no dud, thanks for sharing.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2015 - 11:32am PT
Interesting how you judge the value of a documentary.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 26, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
Methane explosions caused by warming of the permafrost
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-siberian-crater-saga-is-more-widespread-%e2%80%94-and-scarier-%e2%80%94-than-anyone-thought/ar-BBhZntw
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/05/scientists-may-have-cracked-the-giant-siberian-crater-mystery-and-the-news-isnt-good/
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Feb 26, 2015 - 11:56pm PT
While the energy industry funds both sides of the climate debate, the
government/foundation monies go only toward research that advances the
warming regulatory agenda. With a clear public-policy outcome in mind, the
government/foundation (billionaire scumbag) gravy train is a much greater
threat to scientific integrity.'


http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/02/26/global-warming-follow-the-money-the-overwhelming-majority-of-climate-research-funding-comes-from-the-federal-government-and-left-wing-foundations/

..because their real goal is to put our money in their pockets.

Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 27, 2015 - 12:12am PT
Why is there no hiatus in quack deniers,
when all the evidence is against them?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2015/02/climate-oscillations-and-the-global-warming-faux-pause/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 27, 2015 - 07:23am PT
Pop quiz

Is the follow statement true or false?


While the energy industry funds both sides of the climate debate, the
government/foundation monies go only toward research that advances the
warming regulatory agenda.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 27, 2015 - 07:26am PT
How Antarctica's big melt could change the world
http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/how-antarctica-s-big-melt-could-change-the-world-1.2256113
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 27, 2015 - 08:43am PT
The "warming regulatory agenda" theories about a huge conspiracy among scientists are fantasy. Malemute's link above gives a more reality-based perspective on how much of the climate-change concern among scientists is bottom-up rather than top-down, driven by the changes that so many individual researchers see in their own data. This should be obvious to anyone who attends science meetings, reads science journals, or talks to scientists. Those who do none of those things, and prefer to believe in conspiracies, buy into fantasies spun by their blogs.

In the excerpt from Malemute's linked article below I've highlighted some of these thousands of individual researchers. Notice their boots on the ground.

Here on the Antarctic peninsula, where the continent is warming the fastest because the land sticks out in the warmer ocean, nearly 45 billion tons are lost each year, according to NASA. The water warms from below, causing the ice to retreat on to land, and then the warmer air takes over. Temperatures rose 3 degrees Celsius in the last half century, much faster than Earth's average, said Ricardo Jana, a glaciologist for the Chilean Antarctic Institute.

As chinstrap penguins waddled behind him, Peter Convey of the British Antarctic Survey reflected on changes he could see on Robert Island, a small-scale example and perhaps early warning signal of what's happening to the peninsula and rest of the continent as a whole.

"I was last here 10 years ago," Convey said during a rare sunny day on the island, with temperatures just above freezing. "And if you compare what I saw back then to now, the basic difference due to warming is that the permanent patches of snow and ice are smaller. They're still there behind me, but they're smaller than they were."

Robert Island hits all the senses: the stomach-turning smell of penguins; soft moss that invites the rare visitor to lie down, as if on a water bed; brown mud, akin to stepping in gooey chocolate. Patches of the moss, which alternates from fluorescent green to rust red, have grown large enough to be football fields. Though 97 percent of the Antarctic Peninsula is still covered with ice, entire valleys are now free of it, ice is thinner elsewhere and glaciers have retreated, Convey said.

Dressed in a big red parka and sky blue hat, plant biologist Angelica Casanova has to take her gloves off to collect samples, leaving her hands bluish purple from the cold. Casanova says she can't help but notice the changes since she began coming to the island in 1995. Increasingly, plants are taking root in the earth and stone deposited by retreating glaciers, she says.

"It's interesting because the vegetation in some way responds positively. It grows more," she said, a few steps from a sleeping Weddell seal. "What is regrettable is that all the scientific information that we're seeing says there's been a lot of glacier retreat and that worries us."

Just last month, scientists noticed in satellite images that a giant crack in an ice shelf on the peninsula called Larsen C had grown by about 20 kilometres in 2014. Ominously, the split broke through a type of ice band that usually stops such cracks. If it keeps going, it could cause the breaking off of a giant iceberg somewhere between the size of Rhode Island and Delaware, about 4,600 to 6,400 square kilometres, said British Antarctic Survey scientist Paul Holland. And there's a small chance it could cause the entire Scotland-sized Larsen C ice shelf to collapse like its sister shelf, Larsen B, did in a dramatic way in 2002.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:06am PT

But...
But...
Credit: CSPAN
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:22am PT
^^^ Yep.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:23am PT
http://inhabitat.com/house-passes-bill-that-prohibits-expert-scientific-advice-to-the-epa/
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:38am PT
Chiloe, I guess you're not going to answer my simple question about your data.

I didn't think so, considering your graph was BS. The last part of your graph... the part showing recent temps above the 2010 high... it's pure fiction. A fabrication.



It's disappointing that our lone climate scientist is posting fudged data. The skeptics love to go on temps being dishonestly skewed upwards, to help "the Cause". And here we have the highly regarded Chiloe doing the same thing.

If I'm wrong about your actions, I will fully apologize. I will delete this post, if you want it removed.

* I look forward to hearing from all the usual hecklers. Maybe one of you can find the data to validate Chiloe's graph.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Feb 27, 2015 - 09:44am PT
If I'm wrong about your actions, I will fully apologize. I will delete this post, if you want it removed.

Then you should fully apologize now. I don't care about deleting your post, it reflects only on you.
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