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McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 19, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
Hey Chief, I meant to compare my Honda CH80 to your bikes AND it was meant to be a joke about relative speeds not MPG. I messed it up though when I edited in the bit about the bicycle. That made things confusing. Anyway, it was meant to be a friendly and fun comparison. I miss my motorcycle! I sold them to put my tiny motorcycle budget into sailing for awhile.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 19, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
The Chief wrote:
Your climate science including ED Hartouni states repeatedly that any changes made by humans right now will NOT be seen in the climate for a min 3 or 400 years.

don't believe I said that, though I'm sure that The Chief probably misunderstood something I wrote and then misrepresented my writing.

He's not an accurate bloke when it comes to quotations, or much of anything else... but he does like to help a story "stray" a little bit, especially if it helps make his argument...
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Dec 19, 2014 - 07:00pm PT
Damn!

I was going to preface a whole bunch of stuff on the Taco with 'Ed Hartouni states"

Now I see you read this stuff...
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 20, 2014 - 07:16am PT
NHL commits to offsetting carbon footprint
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=744674
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 20, 2014 - 08:48am PT
Why not.

Have you used the uniquely human ability of external to self self examination?


I could give you a short list of ideology common to you and all of your die hard cohorts but you would refuse to see.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 20, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
Yes Rick. That is that mirror I keep telling Chuff about.

Let us 'ave a look, mate!


For one thin dime you can get your psychological profile red by an expert!


Step right up folks, 'e's only a barker 'e never bites.


DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 21, 2014 - 07:58am PT
This Fish Species Adjusts Its Migration to Climate Changes
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/22607/20141221/this-fish-species-adjusts-its-migration-to-climate-changes.htm
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 21, 2014 - 10:38am PT
The AGU meetings wrapped up on Friday with some of the best sessions across a number of fields, from climate to planetary geology. Very well attended and relevant to this thread was a session on Understanding Why People Reject Sound Scientific Information and How Scientists Can Respond, a topic that's on many scientists' minds these days.

Ben Santers (who incidentally is a climber) gave an excellent talk:
"After the storm: Lessons learned from the IPCC’s 'discernible human influence' finding"
His lessons from that "close encounters of the absurd kind" experience include the following. (My notes got better toward the end as I realized how good his points were.)

1. Not everyone is accessible to reason.

2. Words matter.

3. If you have a voice, use it.
"Climate scientists don't have the luxury of remaining silent. We have a responsibility...."

4. Hoping the bad stuff just goes away is a poor coping strategy -- sometimes you have to fight.
"A clear public understanding of climate science is worth fighting for."

5. You'll make enemies, but even more friends.

6. Respond to criticism with sound science.
"Never engage in 'science by eminence of position.' Do the science necessary to address the criticism."

7. Sometimes it's good not to be an IPCC convening lead author.
"If your scientific findings are robust, others will confirm them."

8. Don't just preach to the choir.

9. It's a privilege to do what we do.
"It is an extraordinary privilege to come into work each day and learn something new about the strange and beautiful world in which we live. That privilege should never be taken for granted."

10. Declare values.
"In presentations of climate science to the public, don't just talk about it." Santer talks about his experiences as a climber, illustrated with slides from Alaska icefields and glaciers.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 21, 2014 - 02:29pm PT

http://scitechdaily.com/nasa-data-reveal-new-insight-hidden-movements-greenland-ice-sheet/
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 21, 2014 - 03:46pm PT
I could give you a short list of ideology common to you and all of your die hard cohorts but you would refuse to see.

Actually Rick, you can't provide us with a list that won't apply swimmingly well to yourself.

I did some looking around regarding that acronym CAGW you use:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Catastrophic_anthropogenic_global_warming

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 23, 2014 - 06:39am PT
Facts:

The last decade has been the hottest on record. Each of the last three decades has been much warmer than the decade before it, with each one setting a new and significant record for the highest global temperature. (NOAA)

In the Lake Tahoe area, spring arrives two weeks earlier now than it did in 1961 (NASA)

In the Northeast, by 2039, the average ski season will be less than 100 days and the probability of being open for Christmas will decline below 75% (Burakowski, 2008)

Snow-based recreation in the United States was estimated to contribute $67 billion annually to the US economy and support over 600,000 jobs. So when we look at the cost of inaction, it’s serious business.

Even though the winter of 2011 was above average in the US in terms of snowfall, it was a below average winter temperature-wise throughout the northern hemisphere, the eighth below average winter in a row. The climate trend is one of warming. (NOAA, 2011)

http://protectourwinters.org/climate-snow

“POW’s mission is to unite and actively engage the global snow sports community to lead the fight against climate change.”
http://protectourwinters.org/


http://thetyee.ca/News/2014/12/22/Peak-Snow-Ski-Resorts/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 23, 2014 - 08:41am PT
you like green christmases bruce?

i guess it's okay for golfers, but not so much for ice climbers

Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Dec 23, 2014 - 08:52am PT
Mental and atmospheric climate(s) all in one thread!!!11
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2014 - 09:23am PT
Ho hum, seriously old, ratty, stale lures.

Weather is normal here in south central AK. In the teens with light snow.

The oceans are obeying the law of thermodynamics, giving up heat to a cooling atmosphere. The ice is expanding, duration and extent of snow cover increasing, record low temps outpacing record warm. All this, at the peak of solar cycle 24. Soon the steep slide to minimum must begin. Cloud cover will increase even more, temps plummet even more, the ice and snow extend even more.

And you idiots are crying fire. What is the world coming to?
Roger Brown

climber
Oceano, California
Dec 23, 2014 - 09:41am PT
Well I guess it is pretty much a fact that the planet is getting warmer. The big question is whether it is man caused or God caused. For sure mankind is trashing the planet and trashing it at a faster rate than ever in history. I don't care if the changing climate is caused by this trashing but the trashing has to end. We are killing our planet. Last week I posted about the Operations Department at the local Nuclear Power Plant talking about reducing power because of warmer ocean water tempertures. I guess the problem is that warmer water coming in means warmer water going out and that is the issue. Because of enviornmentional mandates, the utility must keep the discharge water returning to the ocean below a certain temperature. Well, that warm water moved on and the sea water temperature returned to normal so all the freaking out was for nothing.
But..... there is now a issue that will have to be adressed. These giant electrity makers don't do too well at reduced power. They were made to run full power, 24/7. I vote for cooling towers. YEA!! This area could use a big money project like that.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 23, 2014 - 09:55am PT
I guess the problem is that warmer water coming in means warmer water going out and that is the issue.

It may be a design issue as well. The Russian Arktika class of nuclear-powered icebreakers work only in northern seas, and never see the Antarctic. They require cold water to cool their reactors and cannot sail through the tropics.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Dec 23, 2014 - 09:56am PT
Hey maybe you canuckistan ice climbers could join those pacific islanders living at 2-meters and sue the world to stop global warming.

You could be the tipping point for climate change amelioration legislation ! Go team!

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 23, 2014 - 10:12am PT
Roger you'll feel better staying out of the politics of the issue and taking some direct action. May I suggest you do your part by buying an electric vehicle, a Tesla would fit the bill and is manufactured in state. Then, in a few years, install a oversized solar array with battery storage, but still tied to the grid. If enough people do this, it would reduce the need of expansion of ulility grade electrical generation plants.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 23, 2014 - 10:37am PT
It is of course possibly that something is designed for the conditions that it is going to be used in even though it would be possibly to design it for a larger set of conditions.

Something isn't necessarily bad designed even though it cant work in all conditions.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 23, 2014 - 10:39am PT
Chiloe, at the risk of getting further overboard, perhaps Ivan's reticence to send his big
icebreakers south has more to do with economics? Tropical water would cool those nukes
just fine IMHO. At the most they would just have to run the pumps harder, They could also
slow down - dialing down the reactor to produce less steam would require less cooling.
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