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TLP

climber
Jan 24, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
If there is any thing on which there might be something vaguely near agreement on this thread (other than, the other guy is an a**hole :-) ), it is that nothing really substantive is likely to happen to reduce human CO2 emissions without China doing a lot, which none of us seems to think is going to happen. There isn't agreement on how important reducing emissions is or isn't, but in the practical world, it's more useful to have an idea of what's going to happen rather than what should have.

My take is, it's pretty important to figure out the climate science not because it might convince all parties that reducing emissions is important (which, by that time, the lag from taking action to realizing benefits will be a long time), but because maximizing the accuracy of our knowledge of the likely future climate circumstances is useful in adjusting our habitat modifications to those conditions. By way of example, I mean mundane stuff like sea walls and water systems.

Even the posters here who think it's all natural variations ought to agree that being prepared for those variations is a good thing, eh?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
You OWN any modern BLACK DIAMOND products, TLP????
TLP

climber
Jan 24, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
Chief, no I don't. I definitely have some very major issues with many things that China does (or doesn't do). Unfortunately, there are some things which are simply not manufactured anywhere else, period, but I do everything possible to buy stuff manufactured anywhere else. Any new large cams, I'd be getting DMM Dragons instead of C4s. Biners, pretty much just DMM or Petzl. Metolius. I believe in voting with my dollars, and I'll pay a premium to be able to do so if I have to. Thread drift, but you asked, and that's my answer.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 24, 2014 - 02:51pm PT
Because Teee El Pee if you own ANY Chinese made products at all your opinion of global warming is invalidated.

Duh.

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
It never happened right DMT.


All them climbing co's (like Metcalf's BD) that moved thier ops to China, they don't add to the shet below.

They are GREEN AMERIKAN's for god's sake. How could they.

Oh, that ain't no fog like the shet drifting around your brains, either...

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
What is so ironic about that foto FUKEDWAREDICKMENTAL, you actually took YOUR PERSONAL FAMILY PORTRAIT and photoshopped what you assumed is a foto of me onto yourself and your family.


Now that says magnitudes about how much of derelict family man you certainly are.

The spouse is chained to the basement 24/7 and you obviously treat the kids like Concentration Camp prisoners.

Still I am going to continue saying prayers for your entire family. They definitely need all the help they can get having to deal with your NAZI SELF-CENTERED EGOTISTICAL SORRYASS 24/7.



Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
the Chief OWNS that hollow sphere you call a cranium Fartmental.. OWNS it..
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
FUKEDWARFEDICKMENTAL on his lunch break in the ALBUFUKED NM park around the corner from his jani position at the SANDIA LAB..

TLP

climber
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:12pm PT
Well, DMT, whether that was the point of the question or not, it was a straight question which I judged to deserve a straight answer. I would agree in the hypothetical that it is hypocritical to be highly critical of China and still to buy all your stuff from there; but there are some things for which you have no alternative. If I thought some piece of BD gear was a must have, I'd get it anyway. Life is an unending series of greater or lesser compromises.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
What is so ironic about that foto FUKEDWAREDICKMENTAL, you actually took YOUR PERSONAL FAMILY PORTRAIT and photoshopped what you assumed is a foto of me onto yourself and your family.


Now that says magnitudes about how much of derelict family man you certainly are.

The spouse is chained to the basement 24/7 and you obviously treat the kids like Concentration Camp prisoners.

Still I am going to continue saying prayers for your entire family. They definitely need all the help they can get having to deal with your NAZI SELF-CENTERED EGOTISTICAL SORRYASS 24/7.


Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:33pm PT
Because Teee El Pee if you own ANY Chinese made products at all your opinion of global warming is invalidated.

Duh.

DMT

Remember a few years back... how so many liberals made a huge stink about exploitative labor practices in third world countries? Remember all the righteous indignation about boycotting products made with slave labor?

And then everyone realized the cost and hassle involved...

And the issue went away.

Poof!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
^^^^^^^

TLP - this is the sort of mentality we're dealing with here
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
this is the sort of mentality we're dealing with here
trailer trash moron?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
speculative, but I'd put money on it
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 24, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
Don't think he owns a trailer.

no fx whatsoever
no fx whatsoever
Credit: Dunning-Kruger
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 24, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
And then everyone realized the cost and hassle involved...

And the issue went away.

Poof!

That IS the sum-total of your argument, I think.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 24, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
Well, DMT, whether that was the point of the question or not, it was a straight question which I judged to deserve a straight answer. I would agree in the hypothetical that it is hypocritical to be highly critical of China and still to buy all your stuff from there; but there are some things for which you have no alternative. If I thought some piece of BD gear was a must have, I'd get it anyway. Life is an unending series of greater or lesser compromises.

Ok, fine. But the question of from where you buy your cams or what sort of jet Al Gore uses is 100% irrelevant to the question of global warming. And if they are not, irrelevant that is, then the global warming comes in through the hypocrisy anyway.

Win win. ;)

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 24, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
If al gore would get off his fhat hiney and actually plant trees to erase HIS carbon fooootprint, We would have 100% planted forests growing madly- sucking up CO2 by the bucket.
TLP

climber
Jan 24, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
And then everyone realized the cost and hassle involved...

No, Sketch, you have it just a bit wrong: the "everyone" was the companies involved who didn't want to deal with the cost and hassle, and they moved to suppress the information and monopolize supply chains so people couldn't make the choice to pay a few cents more per pair of jeans even if they wanted to. The issue definitely hasn't just gone poof, but lamentably, there's no action until you have stuff like the fires and building collapses in southern Asia. Then it's in all the media and the information that they're really screwing people and the environment in those places can no longer be suppressed. But the general public didn't just give up on the principle because they thought it was costly or a hassle.

Edited to add: DMT - you're totally right. I just chose to answer the specific question rather than to comment about it being irrelevant. Just a choice.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 24, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
That IS the sum-total of your argument, I think.

DMT

You mean people are still up in arms about third world slave labor?

Where's the 20,000 post thread on that issue?

BTW What's your global footprint?
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