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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:56am PT
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/39950/20150317/climate-change-in-australia-may-drive-up-prices-of-beer-wine-and-other-consumables.htm

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/40270/20150317/al-gore-proposes-to-punish-climate-change-deniers.htm

http://abc7news.com/weather/nasa-official-says-calif-has-one-year-of-water-left/558932/
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 06:59am PT

Yet, here you are...

reacting to his posts.

Ok, so you think that he has a good track record when I maybe react on 1 in 100 of his posts for my own entertainment?

I realize that you also are very proud of your trolling because I wrote an answer...

The trolling just became strange when the troll himself sit at the computer 15 hours per day and post more than all other people combined during that time period.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:25am PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/16/the-melting-of-antarctica-was-already-really-bad-it-just-got-worse/



The chief embraces his ignorance and wears with it with such pride.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:25am PT
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?dcid=PDg9PTU7PSc%2C&cur=0&ftr=Climate+Change+skeptics
BOOKMARK THE LINK ABOVE AND WATCH THE NUMBER GROW AS FAST THAN THE NATIONAL DEBT UNDER TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL OBAMA!!!!1111

When Chief has something else going on in his life, sometimes a grownup conversation breaks out here. Pretty much can't when he's venting full steam.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:39am PT

You just can't stand it when myself and a handful of others barge in on this thread and break up your scientism hand holding kiss a thon.

I doubt that anyone on this thread even read more than 10% of what you post and I am sure that no one think you are some kind of a threat to their "scientism".

A screaming 5 year old is a good characteristic of your posting style and how interesting your post are.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 07:59am PT

1 in 100?

You're 2 in 4 (that's 50% for the math illiterate) on this page.
You really got me there... One possibility is that 2 of 4 out of many thousands posts don't really show the correct statistics?

Do you trow a dice once, get a 5 and conclude that you always get a dice if you throw a dice?

Or maybe you think that because sketch posted once in the last 5 minutes doesn't imply that sketch post 105120 times a year?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2015 - 08:23am PT
Why do you let [The] Chief dictate the conversation?


Nobody lets him. Eddie, ever heard of a "signal-to-noise ratio"? It's a grown-up term.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 17, 2015 - 08:56am PT
You know Raymond, I went over to the article in WUWtT and read your comments. In the context of the flow of what was being discussed you were stuck on stupid, just as you are here. You're lucky anyone took you seriously enough to answer even a single of your questions. Put your coke bottle glasses back on and stick with engineering seat covers for auto suppliers or whatever other "highly important" function you perform in your smug little world. You've opened up whole new categories of the definition of ignorant.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:02am PT
so rick, what is a "chaotic" system? you have no idea what the science of non-linear dynamical systems is... you have very likely never even read Lorenz's paper (which I posted a link to above) and you couldn't understand the article even if you did read it... and you certainly aren't read in the literature that was initiated by Lorenz's article.

The WUWT article is a very poor piece, basically it asserts a number of ideas that are either wrong, inappropriate, or unsubstantiated. Reading popular science books is not a very good basis for making a scientific argument.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2015 - 09:09am PT
That's a copout, [k-man].

"Cop-out." That's a big word for a some folks, Eddie. And it seems like signal-to-noise ratio is too big of a concept for you to understand, if you think that's a cop-out.


BTW, ever hear back from Scientific American? You know, the firm that published the quote with which you were having so much trouble? Seems like you really had a beef with them (I mean, you went on and on about that quote).

In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.

I'd be really interested in hearing what they have to say about this, that is if you didn't cop-out from contacting them.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:09am PT
You know Raymond, I went over to the article in WUWtT and read your comments. In the context of the flow of what was being discussed you were stuck on stupid, just as you are here.

Funny thing is, Raymond has a PhD and expertise in linear and nonlinear dynamical systems. Rick doesn't even know what those words mean, but based on his ideology he is sure they are "stupid."

This, folks, is all-out Dunning-Kruger.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:09am PT


rest in peace Billy Gray
rest in peace Billy Gray
Credit: speedway



Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:37am PT
Rick and chief are part of the group of current science deniers that is sweeping across America.


http://www.macleans.ca/politics/america-dumbs-down/

raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 09:52am PT
Thanks, rick. Your comments made my time answering post there worth while.

It is of course not that strange that you came to that conclusion. Kip Hansen seems to be a retired it person that believes that he is on expert on chaos. You are a construction worker or something like that that believes that you are an climate expert. You seems to be very similar.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:15am PT
From the article Bob D'A posted a link for...

Instead of educating themselves via the Internet, most people simply use it to validate what they already suspect, wish or believe to be true. It creates an online environment where Jenny McCarthy, a former Playboy model with a high school education, can become a worldwide leader of the anti-vaccination movement, naysaying the advice of medical professionals.

Same conclusion I have come to. Oh oh.....I got that off the internet!?!!!!!

Oh well, that is my current opinion.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:23am PT
You miss my point Ed. Im not commenting on the veracity of the article, but rather the context of the comments and Ray's entry into the discussion- the gist of which is " Hi im Raymond and im smarter than all of you, I have a PHD in engineering and all of you are wrong since I work with non linear dynamical non chaotic systems all the time". Please read the comment section yourself to see what I mean. There are a number of other PHD'S commenting and I believe Ray's points were already discussed much earlier in the discussion.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:39am PT
Rick, why don't you read the comments in the correct order?

I wrote some comments. Kip "answered" me in one post with a snide remark that I shouldn't feel bad because I didn't understand the subject , without even making any comments on what I had written. I wrote a post were I said that I actually understand the subject.

Kip has actually answered me one more time. Still not commenting on the points I and other people have made though.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:44am PT

There are a number of other PHD'S commenting and I believe Ray's points were already discussed much earlier in the discussion.

No, rick, those point have not been answered. Kip Hansen just do like you and many other "skeptics" do, run away when asked difficult questions about your knowledge.

You already know that you are right so when it is obvious that you are wrong you have only two chooses, admit that you are wrong or run away and we know what people like you, the chief and Kip usually do.



raymond phule

climber
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:50am PT
I have to admit though that I did a mistake. I recognized* Kip's name and thought that he was actually some kind of a scientist that could made some valid points. If I had not recognized the name or knew that he was a retired it person I would probably not even had read the essay.

*Now I believe that I recognize the name from him participating in the real climate comments section that I sometimes read several years ago.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Mar 17, 2015 - 10:52am PT


The yellow band shows the 5% to 95% envelope for the results of 33 CMIP-5 model simulations (19 different models, many with multiple realizations) that are intended to simulate Earth's Climate over the 20th Century.

After 1998, the observations are likely to be below the simulated values, indicating that the simulation as a whole are predicting too much warming.
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