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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 18, 2014 - 12:44am PT
The consensus is a lie, the models inaccurate projections,the only projection of the models with any basis in observed reality was the arctic warming of the 80's to 00's. If you have anything, any predictions from the models for the next five years, then post them up. Sanctimonious scientific gibberish in defense of a failing theory is a cheap trick.

Its hilarious when he's off his meds
new world order2

climber
Jan 18, 2014 - 12:56am PT
This is a re-post, only because no one has addressed it.

Would anyone care to comment on climate geo-engineering, please?


Sunshade" to fight climate change costed at $5 bln a year
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/climate-sunshade-idINDEE87T0K420120830

Planes or airships could carry sun-dimming materials high into the atmosphere for an affordable price tag of below $5 billion a year as a way to slow climate change, a study indicated on Friday.

Transporting a million tonnes of particles to at least 18 km (11 miles) above the Earth every year to form a sunshade is "both feasible and affordable", U.S. scientists concluded in the journal Environmental Research Letters.

Al Gore makes mention of spraying chemicals into the atmosphere to combat global warming here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrWXurroWw

Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Jan 18, 2014 - 02:18am PT
The Chief,
You don't really know how science works, do you. The gentleman you refer to above is a classic case of using cherry-picked information of questionable value that had no real relavence to the issue at hand to make an argument for the outcome that you want. That has no relavence to science.

Colin Powell made the error of being a "good soldier" and doing what he thought was his duty for his comander-in-chief when he knew he was being told to lie and it stuck in his throat when it was coming out. Look at the old tapes and tell me it isn't so.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 18, 2014 - 02:38am PT
Mark you are quite right. Chuff does not understand science. But then neither does any of his tribal members. Problem is, even if they were ever to aknowledge this, it wouldn't matter. They actually hate science. considering how seemingly obsessed with science they are (especially Dick Sumner) this is incongruous. But really their obsession is only mere hatred. Like the Taliban and women.

Our mistake is in thinking "if only they could be helped to understand....".

They are a write off. Its the only reasonable take on it.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 18, 2014 - 04:23am PT
Our mistake is in thinking "if only they could be helped to understand....".

They are a write off. Its the only reasonable take on it.

So why do you continue to respond to them with such glee?

I can only think this is motivated by some of the less admirable aspects of your personality.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 18, 2014 - 07:36am PT
"So why do you continue to respond to them with such glee?"


I believe it has less to do with character "flaws" than it does continued perseverance .[not to mention comedy,20k posts]

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/09/debunking-climate-change-deniers

Mother Jones,not Wood For Trees.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 18, 2014 - 07:45am PT
I believe it has less to do with character "flaws" than it does continued perseverance

Perseverance in what?

Trying to convince people who refuse to listen?

Which leads me to believe that it is more about enjoying insulting people and feeling superior.

But - hey - I could be wrong.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 18, 2014 - 08:42am PT
I could care less what people call me ,or otherwise .
It is perseverance in keeping the noise of the deniers countered by fact.
If that says something about me,Bruce,Chiloe etal ,Then so be it.
I for one ,respect that role.

Go ahead ,call me names!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 18, 2014 - 09:15am PT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 18, 2014 - 09:48am PT
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ

Jan 17, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
The Chief,
You don't really know how science works, do you. The gentleman you refer to above is a classic case of using cherry-picked information of questionable value that had no real relavence to the issue at hand to make an argument for the outcome that you want. That has no relavence to science.

So are you another of the individuals out there that dictates their entire existence SOLELY based on...

"Science"?


Another individual that agrees that "science" is the fundamental/unquestionable governing process of all things in the Universe?




Do you believe in the foundation of this symbol? And please, be different than all the rest of the "scientism" people here and answer the question WITHOUT asking another and dodging the question... thanks.







While you are at it MARK, please explain this event that occurred in our "Recorded" period but before any possible major real human influence began to take place. Including the latest spike in C02 that did not follow the spike in temps then that are pretty much equivalent as the latest event:





C02 does not follow nor lead in the first obvious temp spike:




dirtbag

climber
Jan 18, 2014 - 10:11am PT
So are you another of the individuals out there that dictates their entire existence SOLELY based on...

"Science"?


Another individual that agrees that "science" is the fundamental/unquestionable governing process of all things in the Universe?

He didn't say that you loud mouthed f*#ktard.

The fact you're a f*#ktard would be tolerable if you learned to STFU, listen once in awhile, and speak on topics about which you know something.



Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Jan 18, 2014 - 10:54am PT
Science is the observation of what is as closely as we are able to discern it; mysticism is the direct experience of what is as closely as we are able to live and breath and be it.

The Tao Te Ching (Lao Tzu) is one of my most favorite books of all time (along with Meditations (Marcus Aurelius)). Have read many different translations of the Tao Te Ching, but my far and away favorite is by Ralph Alan Dale; it stands far above all the rest!

Anomalies and artifacts within the data are "bread and butter" in science. The trend lines you posted above are consistent with most climate change models.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 18, 2014 - 11:04am PT
No you ethicless bastard. Ethics is what matters. Ethics is what determines how we use science for good or mass murder.

Rahndisi, to answer your question...

BTW the fact that you ask a question, respectfully, instead of simply asserting that I am of dubious character is everything. If you ask, it means you are willing to consider evidence. It is an ethic, one the ethicless bastard does not possess.

Anyway, the reason I'm here is to persuade or to be persuaded either way. The evidence - if you agree that science is the heavy weight that provides it - should make this easy, but of course it dosn't. It dosn't because at least half the population prefers loyalty to political ideology over the evidence of science.

I fight these ethicless bastards not to persuade them ( the entrenched chuffian darwinists) but to persuade those who do have ethics but have mistaken illusion for reality. Guys like JE, conservatives who really are very little different than me, certainly in terms of ethics, but have chosen to side with the illusion that the right wing authoritarian personalities are more like them. As far as I'm concerned this is a debate of ethics and reality and on both counts Chuff and co fail miserably and are so entrenched they are a lost cause.

The only hope is to reveal them for what they are so that others will see.

Either way, if I'm wrong, they can start proving it any time. If we don't challenge them on their ethicless idiocy, they are given legitimacy. Snakes in the grass have no legitimacy.

Sketch hates it when I write more than fifty words, but I'm not sure how better to sxplain myself so I hope that helps... and who cares what he thinks anyway.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 18, 2014 - 11:12am PT
Science is the observation of what is as closely as we are able to discern it; mysticism is the direct experience of what is as closely as we are able to live and breath and be it

That does not answer my question Mark.


Which of the two do you base your existence here on planet earth.


One or the other as the two specifically state that neither can exist with the other.

That is fact if you have read and thoroughly comprehended any of Lao Tzu's work/philosophy and those that have proceeded & followed in his footsteps.

As well as modern science specifically dictating that any ref to Spiritual empowerment and fundamentalism in the physical realm of this universe can not be proven. Thus can NOT be included it it's fundamental existence.

Ying/Yang and modern science mix like water and oil.

Can not have the two together.


Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 18, 2014 - 11:16am PT
The consensus is a lie, the models inaccurate projections,the only projection of the models with any basis in observed reality was the arctic warming of the 80's to 00's. If you have anything, any predictions from the models for the next five years, then post them up. Sanctimonious scientific gibberish in defense of a failing theory is a cheap trick.


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WBraun

climber
Jan 18, 2014 - 11:17am PT
Bruce Kay -- "I fight these ethicless bastards not to persuade them but to persuade those who do have ethics but have mistaken illusion for reality."


This coming from a guy who doesn't even know who he really is and why he was born on this planet.

And what to speak of reality itself, you're clueless.

Oh save us Bruce from our selves when you can't even save your own self first, period.

Learn to save your self first other wise you'll just end up fuking up everything outside of your defective self.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 18, 2014 - 11:21am PT
Prove me wrong Braun. Step out of the shadows for once in your life and demonstrate what you assert.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2014 - 11:22am PT
The Chief demands.

"... answer the question WITHOUT asking another and dodging the question... thanks."


But if you ask the same of he, you will soon see why he makes this demand. It is his method of discourse. Dodge the question and deflect by demanding you answer his strawman questions.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 18, 2014 - 11:24am PT
So, can either MONO, LARRY or ED please explain this event that first took place (that is pretty much equal in temp rise as the current event) where C02 is no where near the spike in temps. As well it occurring prior to any possible real human emissions of C02 as those that may have influenced the latest event. 1/10th at the most of the current level.


Please do not claim it as an anomaly as this event was just as impressive in temp spike (quantitatively) as is the current.






C02 does not follow nor lead in the first obvious temp spike:

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2014 - 11:36am PT
Wilbeer, thanks for posting the Mother Jones article:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/09/debunking-climate-change-deniers


Extremely telling, especially the Murdoc tweet. Why those mo-fos are playing with fire in this way is truly a mystery to me.

Anyway, here's an excerpt,

September of last year saw historically low levels of Arctic sea ice. This year, the amount of sea ice was far, far below normal, but the extent was more than the devastatingly low amount of last year's record. Murdoch calling that a record increase, like it's a good thing, is garbage. It's like getting pneumonia a month after a nearly fatal heart attack, and having someone tell you your health is great now.

Rupert Murdoch has a half million followers on Twitter, incidentally, and obviously his opinions can reach far more people through his media holdings. He may spew nonsense, but it's nonsense that gets spread far and wide.



And you get folks who have an inability to see through the ruse, and they parrot the nonsense, even when shown in black and white how wrong they are.
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