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moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 28, 2014 - 09:07am PT
This is cool.

http://www.livescience.com/48942-cooling-buildings-without-electricity.html

"How to Cool Buildings Without Electricity? Beam Heat into Space

A new superthin material can cool buildings without requiring electricity, by beaming heat directly into outer space, researchers say.

In addition to cooling areas that don't have access to electrical power, the material could help reduce demand for electricity, since air conditioning accounts for nearly 15 percent of the electricity consumed by buildings in the United States.

The heart of the new cooler is a multilayered material measuring just 1.8 microns thick, which is thinner than the thinnest sheet of aluminum foil. In comparison, the average human hair is about 100 microns wide.

[] One way this material helps keep things cool is by serving as a highly effective mirror. By reflecting 97 percent of sunlight away, it helps keep anything it covers from heating up.

In addition, when this material does absorb heat, its composition and structure ensure that it only emits very specific wavelengths of infrared radiation, ones that air does not absorb, the researchers said. Instead, this infrared radiation is free to leave the atmosphere and head out into space."
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Nov 28, 2014 - 09:32am PT
^^^
Good luck to anything flying...birds, planes.

Of course we already have something that is close to the same efffect, without the blinding reflections and costs associated with space age materials science...it's called white paint on the roof. A novel concept, I know, but one that works quite well for me and thousands of others with homes in the desert.
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 28, 2014 - 11:01am PT
Valid point, Elcapinyoazz.

Many novel ideas don't pan out. Time will tell.

Moose
moosedrool

climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 28, 2014 - 03:37pm PT
Monolith, the infrared is not the problem, the mirror effect is.

Moose
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2014 - 09:26am PT
The link above:




Makes you go Hmmm...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 29, 2014 - 11:43am PT
Yeah the balmy teens to twenties temps are allowing my sons to get in two more presale foundations with blankets only, instead of tents and a half million BTU spew of CO2 plantfood. I see the majority of the lower fort eight has had one of the earliest onset and early severe winters in living memory. The vast expanse of northern asia even more so. Is this how the previous glacials started with extreme central continental conditions leading to a cooling of interior land and water masses to the point that one year the snows didn't completely melt, then with a buildup trend from there.

This period of low solar activity is certainly reeking havoc on the AGW scientismists assumptions of weather patterns, oceanic oscillations, and model projected monotonous heat rise with the buildup of the atmospheric trace gas and plant food CO2. You aint seen nothing yet, just wait till we get on the steep downslope of the cycle.

Seems the El Nino of 2014 has snuck in undetected by the climate dummies and manifests itselfs in an unfamiliar pattern. Who would of thunk it; certainly not the propagandists parrotted by old Frosty.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 30, 2014 - 01:03am PT
Does the earth turn into a sort of refrigerator asks Frosty the Snowman? Well Frosty perhaps you can look into permafrost at high lattitudes, or centuries of use of the underground as root cellars, or consider for a moment a dearth of solar SW , which only penetrates inches into bare earth anyway, being reflected away as a result of albedo increase from longer duration and extent of snow and ice cover. Solar dimming and brightening- what the hell do you think this is Frosty? In your ignorance do you assume it to mean actual dimming of TSI beyond the accepted range of .1 %? No dummy, its the amount of radiation that makes it through the atmosphere after effects of increased/decreased cloud cover and varying amounts and composition of aerosols. And what causes these variations of clouds and aerosols?

Oh yeah, I know CO2, the symbol of evil for the simple minded and brainwashed useful idiots. Couldn't be the understudied effects of the variable solar spectrum, magnetic field flux, or flux in aerosols released by the biota which increases with warm phases as a result of large amounts of CO2 plantfood release from the natural sinks.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2014 - 07:59am PT
Interesting graph Sketch has made--but can he explain why it's relevant to our discussion?

From here it looks like he's honed his cherry-picking skills.
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 30, 2014 - 11:30am PT
http://fox59.com/2014/11/30/noaa-2014-is-shaping-up-as-hottest-year-on-record/

Who to trust...scientists or Rush Limbaugh, radio yakker?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 30, 2014 - 11:55am PT
As usual old Frosty makes a complere crusty brained fool of himself. He then compounds this embarassing condition through endless blathering.

WTF do you think a refrigerator is exactly, if not a radiator?

The Earth by contrast is a poor radiator/good insulator from the internal heat source. In spite of sitting atop thousands of vertical miles of the superheated to molten rock , the surface radiates at only .08 wm2. Think of it as the inverse of the oceans only exponentially larger. Solar radiation penetrates mere inches at best, leaving the poor conduction from surface temperature as the only effective near surface heat source and then only penetrating mere multiples of feet , the exact depth dependent upon the thermal resistivity of its particular ground cover and moisture content of the soil. Below several feet to hundreds of feet the temps decrease to a steady temp nearly unaffected by anything other than the longest of trends in surface temps and incident intrusion through faults. The rock below insulates quite well from the heat of mantle to core. Generally, conduction from the interior doesn't start raising the temps before thousands of feet. The answer to your question of permafrost depth is that it can extend in excess of a thousand feet deep, once again dependent upon moisture content.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Nov 30, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
Trend lines as outliers?

What is this is?
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Nov 30, 2014 - 02:11pm PT
Coo, then maybe you could explain it to me? Any bike time these days?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 30, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/11/30/if-all-you-see-1329/


WTF do you think a refrigerator is exactly, if not a radiator?

It's a heat pump! Not a radiator.

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Nov 30, 2014 - 02:43pm PT
Court Filing: Tim Ball Not an "Authority on Global Warming"
"...that the Plaintiff (Ball) never held a reputation in the scientific community as a noted climatologist and authority on global warming....

"The Plaintiff has never published any research in any peer-reviewed scientific journal which addressed the topic of human contributions to greenhouse gas emissions and global warming;

"The Plaintiff has published no papers on climatology in academically recognized peer-reviewed scientific journals since his retirement as a Professor in 1996;

"The Plaintiff's credentials and credibility as an expert on the issue of global warming have been repeatedly disparaged in the media; and

"The Plaintiff is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist."
http://davidappell.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/court-filing-tim-ball-not-authority-on.html

and neither are any of the deniers here, who understand less science than Chad's dog.


k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2014 - 04:18pm PT
Hey K-man,

Which lines are outliers?

Sketch, don't you already know the answer here? I mean, you made the graph.


It seems silly that Sketch keeps asking questions to which he knows the answer. Or, maybe he doesn't know the answer, in which case it proves my point that Sketch posts graphs that he cannot explain why they have any merit.


This raises an interesting question: What does a better job of giving the impression that Sketch is sharp:

    He asks questions to which he already knows the answer.
    He posts graphs that he doesn't have a clue as to what they mean.

I know, tough choice.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Nov 30, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
The U.S. can reduce emissions 80% by 2050 — in 6 graphs

http://grist.org/climate-energy/yes-the-u-s-can-reduce-emissions-80-by-2050-in-six-graphs/

http://unsdsn.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/US-Deep-Decarbonization-Report.pdf

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Nov 30, 2014 - 10:32pm PT
Unless the scientific community and political leaders act soon,
cold, dark days are ahead, because the evidence is clear that

the earth is rapidly growing colder because of
diminished solar activity,

says author John L. Casey, former NASA consultant.


“All you have to do is trust natural cycles and follow the facts, and that
leads you to the inevitable conclusion that the sun controls the climate,
and that a new cold era has begun,”
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 30, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
dave729 claims to be a scientist... maybe he can provide some science to back up the "former NASA consultant" claim...

I doubt it.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2014 - 07:32am PT
I was just curious if you could answer my question.

Instead of answering the question (a simple question), you resort to ad homs.


I asked you a question ("Interesting graph Sketch has made--but can he explain why it's relevant to our discussion?").

In reply you posted a nonsensical graph and asked me to explain it.
Answering a question with a question?


If your question was to quiz me, quizzes are usually given by teachers to see if students have learned what they are teaching.
So the onus is back on you Sketch, what are you trying to teach.

You yourself say the question is easy. Got an answer to your own question?

Or how about my original one, where I ask you to tell us why your graph has any relevance to this conversation. Can you do it?


As for your "ad homs" remark, you must be referring to somebody else.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 1, 2014 - 08:10am PT
Or how about my original one, where I ask you to tell us why your graph has any relevance to this conversation. Can you do it?


Looks like we have our response.


Sketch, you don't look very sharp when you post graphs that you have no idea what they mean.

That's not ad homs, it's simply observation.
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