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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 3, 2015 - 10:43am PT
k-man, I think you're recalling Annie Whitehouse... on something she sorta discussed at the recent Oakdale Climbers' festival... in associations with an ad campaign of Mal's... "Trad climbers..."... which was never published... if I catch your drift... ... ...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2015 - 11:56am PT
Hmm, I didn't catch Annie's preso, but this has more to do with a mountaineering team than anything trad.
Mostly an inside joke I heard from a friend.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 3, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
"Feed the trolls", interesting. Exactly who are the trolls here. Is It supporters of the IPCC, which was founded by a criminal, and the political agenda claimed to be settled science propelled forward by idealogues and those paid by big government, enviro NGO's, and foreign governments in competition of our industry to FIND AGW at a cost of many hundreds of billions of u.s. dollars. Or is it those that practice the skepticism that science used to proudly proclaim.

Here is some circumstantial evidence to consider: Have any of the dire consequences repeatedly claimed to have already transpired actually occurred? Is the modest .8c rise out of the LIA unprecedented? Why hasn't the GMT not risen in parallel with CO2 emmissions? Why hasn't the model projected mid tropospheric hotspot or increase of atmospheric RH not occurred? If the poles are melting from AGW why is the global total sea ice mass at or above average levels seen since the beginning of direct observations? There is much much more.

So the next time you ask yourself, "should I feed the trolls", make sure you properly identify them.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 3, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
The world is divided into people who are science and people who are not science.

Everybody is on a team, and my team is better!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 3, 2015 - 12:10pm PT
Exactly who are the trolls here.

Every post is a troll.

DMT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Feb 3, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
Is It supporters of the IPCC, which was founded by a criminal, and the political agenda claimed to be settled science propelled forward by idealogues and those paid by big government, enviro NGO's, and foreign governments in competition of our industry to FIND AGW at a cost of many hundreds of billions of u.s. dollars

an uninteresting, unsubstantiated statement... that happens to be demonstrably false.

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 3, 2015 - 01:21pm PT
Hey, take it easy on Arlene Blum! She was at Berkeley, and part of the U.C. Hiking Club, when I was an undergrad there.

I like the distinction between production science and impact science. I think, though, that it's rather oversimplified to say that conservatives dislike impact science. Rather, at least this conservative dislikes those who would impose their solutions as optimal without a proper analysis to determine optimality. I'll admit, though, that my dislike probably leads me to more disagreements with, say the Heritage Foundation than with the IPCC, so maybe the generalization has validity after all.

While Bjorn Lomborg isn't exactly a popular figure in the climate science community, I think he gave a helpful commentary in yesterday's Wall Street Journal:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bjorn-lomborg-the-alarming-thing-about-climate-alarmism-1422832462

I cite this commentary not because I agree with all he says (although I agree with some of it), but because it demonstrates a way that one can argue a point respectfully, and without denying what competent scientists have observed.

John

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 3, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
Lomborg gets plenty wrong in his WSJ piece, thus denying a lot of what competent climate scientists have observed.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/02/03/bjorn-lomborg-did-not-get-facts-straight/
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 3, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
^^^ thanks for the continued brilliance. Now we know that we can blame scientists for all burning of coal, peat, and whale oil 1000 years ago.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 3, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
The use of coal predates science.

Period.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:15pm PT
Petroleum was not discovered by scientists nor was its burning the result of science. You are dead freakin wrong about it.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
The process of refining unleaded gasoline etc was all done by chemists.

Agreed.

DMT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
We may blame science for Biodiesel,Solar,Wind,Hydro,Biomass,Fuel Cell,Geo-Thermal.

You know ,the sh#t you all are against as well.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
And they have been doing it for over 130 plus years.

The act of drilling for more oil is all done by scientific studies of the region by geologists.

Sure it is, but the use of oil and coal predate science itself. You were simply and utterly wrong with your grandiose point.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:24pm PT
Science didn't invent beer. Science did discover the importance and function of yeast, however. And the Germans altered their lager laws to incorporate this new technology. So some drunk might proclaim science gave us beer. That drunk would be wrong, too.

DMT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
I have not changed any subject ,at all.

We will just call the proliferating scientists working with renewables,

Responsible.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
More about that methane plume in New Mexico and across the USA;
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/09oct_methanehotspot/

Frankenberg noted that the study demonstrates the unique role space-based measurements can play in monitoring greenhouse gases.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 3, 2015 - 06:48pm PT
I like beer.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
The sixth mass extinction is caused by overpopulation, which is caused by increased agriculture yields, which are caused by better science around pesticides and fertilizers.


Kill all scientists because they are killing us!


Now let's go have a beer, E.T.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 3, 2015 - 07:08pm PT
What if I agree,The Chief.

What if I say yeah we ffed up,we [humans] in science screwed up ,we caused CC,by not covering our asses in concerns with petro-chems,etc.

Have we [humans]not caused CC?
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