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Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Feb 5, 2015 - 03:31pm PT
"How much money is spent funding denier efforts? Not total budgets for groups that skeptics! Funding specifically for denier efforts?"

YOu tell me how it is that for 15 years most republicans in congress would run away and hide so they wouldn't be on the record if you asked them something about climate change.
They didn't want to lose their funds from Koch, ALEC, Heritage, CATO, fossils, etc, which are mostly dark money now.

Also how many more times in the future will FEMA spend $50 billion per Sandy?

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed
http://www.theeverlastinggopstoppers.com/2013/08/climate-change-denial-brothers-koch/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fossil-fuel-lobbyists-bolstered-by-gop-wins-work-to-curb-environmental-rules/2014/12/07/3ef05bc0-79b9-11e4-9a27-6fdbc612bff8_story.html
http://grist.org/news/funding-evil-lobbying-group-was-a-mistake-says-google/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/29/boehner-climate-change_n_5411154.html
http://thinkprogress.org/climate-denier-caucus-114th-congress/
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/11/meet-new-climate-denier-caucus
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/john-boehner-and-house-republicans-edit-climate-change-facts-out-obamas-speech
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_03/010968.php
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ofa/9-actual-quotes-about-climate-change-from-the-peop-dbl0#.ffbE0LWy9

etc.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 5, 2015 - 05:25pm PT
How much money is spent funding denier efforts?

Not total budgets for groups that support skeptics!

Funding specifically for denier efforts?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
So is it good that Sketch is back?.........lol.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 5, 2015 - 06:01pm PT
Who are these groups that support skeptics?

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2015 - 06:03pm PT
Funding specifically for denier efforts?

why would you spend money on supporting denying science?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 06:10pm PT
Ask the Kochs.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 5, 2015 - 06:32pm PT
Ask the Kochs.

oh right... if your vested interest happened to mean the rest of the planet would be f*#ked if your way continued I suppose you would spends millions to ensure it goes on. At least so long as you don't have a moral consciousness.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 06:46pm PT
Billions?

BS,post up proof.

There is plenty of info on denier funding and alot that is hidden.


Oh yeah it,s that renewable energy industry that only owns 2% of the market share funding this whole HOAX!

Or just blame it on us"fiscal liberals",you know, government.













If you could get anywhere near realistic with anything you contend ,you just might be better liked.


LLBK.




wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
Good luck w/that.




Denier.

So it must be "Big Solar" ...........LOL.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
Nor You.


With your ......whateverthef*#kitis.

I will not post any link here ever,why.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
Conspiracy? Did I say there's "a conspiracy that's propagated by thousands of scientists across multiple countries for multiple decades"?
    EdwardT

No EdwardT, you did not directly say that there is a conspiracy. Instead, your posts indicate to me that you deny the findings of the climate scientists who are raising the alarm about AWG.

Please tell me how you can deny the scientific findings of thousands of international climate scientists without there being a huge conspiracy to cook the science books.

If you don't believe there is cause for alarm, please tell me how your belief can be valid in light of the findings of hundreds and hundreds of peer-reviewed studies. If there is not a conspiracy to distort the truth, then how can teams of international scientists come to the same conclusions about AGW?

My prediction is that you will ignore this question.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 5, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
There is plenty of info on denier funding and alot that is hidden.

How about some hard numbers?

We frequently hear about all the huge sums funding deniers. Not skeptics, but actual deniers. People who intentionally subvert "the truth".

But when someone asks for specifics, we get responses like Splaters - Truckloads of partisan spin, which don't answer the question.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 5, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
Gazprom financing is cool!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/01/world/russian-money-suspected-behind-fracking-protests.html?_r=0

There's some financing that's not a figment of an overwrought imagination.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 5, 2015 - 07:54pm PT
No EdwardT, you did not directly say that there is a conspiracy. Instead, your posts indicate to me that you deny the findings of the climate scientists who are raising the alarm about AWG.

What have I denied? Today, I pointed out failed predictions. Not sure what you think I've denied.

Please tell me how you can deny the scientific findings of thousands of international climate scientists without there being a huge conspiracy to cook the science books.

You're making an accusation, based on a bogus assumption.

What have I denied?

If you don't believe there is cause for alarm, please tell me how your belief can be valid in light of the findings of hundreds and hundreds of peer-reviewed studies. If there is not a conspiracy to distort the truth, then how can teams of international scientists come to the same conclusions about AWG?

Well done. Back me into a corner about made up views.

What conclusions?

My prediction is that you will ignore this question.

Another failed prediction.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
Here is some partsian spin Sketch,



Citizens United.




Gee,I WONDER HOW YOU CANNOT FIND IT.


It is all ,Big Solar.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
What have I denied? Today, I pointed out failed predictions.

You are right, I am making an assumption about your beliefs based on what you post.

Each of your posts has a slant that shows a denial of the findings of the climate science community. Because of that, I am assuming that you are a denier of the scientific findings of the IPCC and other climate scientists who believe that AWG poses a real problem.

Am I right about my assumption that you deny the alarms raised by the IPCC and other climate scientists who say we are in big trouble due to AWG?


PS. This does sound like a conversation I've previously had with a poster/poser named Sketch.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
You are always RIGHT ,It is those GREEN org's.




yada,yada,yada,yada.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 08:26pm PT
Yeah,damn near as worried as the "big oil" people.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
Enjoy your skiing!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 5, 2015 - 08:33pm PT
A close friend with homes in Moscow , London , Switerzland , Bend, Oregon , etc. does PR work for large corporations and oil conglomerates to make these companies appear people friendly...A good example of his work is making BP look like the victim in the gulf of mexico oil spill...Clutching at straws and denying that corporate America isn't flushing billions of dollars down the toilet to combat climate change research is pure fantasy...
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