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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
Oh my! The "shet of Sandia", our esteemed government welfare program scientist Mentalcase has sunk to new lows in his gutter language. We know that you have no respect for yourself, but to address women like you did publicly upthread is going beyond the bounds. What would your mother think Mentalcase?

Chief i suggest we pump our septic leach fields, we don't want this turd fowling our underground gallery.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
All it takes is one or two major and lengthy volcanic eruptions and your statistic model based dreams are over.

I don't have statistic model based dreams. Maybe you do? It was you, not me, who tried extending that trend into the future. Although you could not even do the arithmetic.

The data and analysis in my graph cover the period 1/1979 to 11/2013, just as it says in big print at the top.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
So after almost 21,000 posts surely y'all have reached a consensus, right?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
So after almost 21,000 posts surely y'all have reached a consensus, right?

Has that happened on one other long internet thread that you know of?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 19, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
the consensus IS that the numbers HAVENT changed, their is a large hiatus now admitted too and unexplained to any reasonable outcome, and its currently buttazz cold and snowing here, on top of snow thats been here for a week. Insurance companies gonna be busy tonight!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
Here's why ED.. NOAA's latest version shows an obvious trending decline in Global Ocean and Surface Temps the past decade. Not a rise as Larry Hamilton posts in his "Version" of the data.

Please do tell us that the blue line below.......................................................................................VVVVVVVVV

indicates an increase.




Each data set has a whole different "version" of numbers.


But like any good propaganda machine, the best source of potentially viable information that suites the agenda, ie that which our dear Larry Hamilton posted earlier, is utilized.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
But like any good propaganda machine, the best source of potentially viable information that suites the agenda, ie that which our dear Larry Hamilton posted earlier, is utilized.

No Poedtke, I posted the RSS data because they have a time series with up-to-date (November 2013) coverage of high north latitudes (land and sea), and you had just posted a bunch of maps with declarations about northern regions.

Tells me that Russia and parts of Asia had a heat wave for the month of November 2013.
Here are the last eight Novembers for comparison:
Lotta hot and cold in the same region of Russia/Asia
Take a good look at the notes for the Antarctic and the Arctic as well as Spain...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 19, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
Reilly,that is comedy right there.



"All this insistent bullshet from each and everyone of you Liberal Eco Freak Ideological Utopians"

Thanks for using "our" graphs and data.

At least we are organized,aye?

All you deniers could not organize a rockfight.






Ed and Chiloe,glad to see you two had a beer,you seem to be energized from them.
I would like to thank you for your constant defense here,and would be honored to have one with you someday.

Happy Holidays to all the rational folks here.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:37pm PT


Let's see what the entire planet it doing. Not just one specific region Larry.

No +.32 C decade GLOBAL linear trend since 2000 here....






Ed and Chiloe,glad to see you two had a beer,you seem to be energized from them.

I would like to thank you for your constant defense here,and would be honored to have one with you someday.

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez Almighty Wilbeeree, get off their dicks would ya.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
Ed and Chiloe,glad to see you two had a beer,you seem to be energized from them.
I would like to thank you for your constant defense here,and would be honored to have one with you someday.


Since you and I are kinda Right Coasters, that's a possibility for me. Ed being a Left Coaster he takes some arranging. Cheers!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Chef,there really is something wrong with you ,dude.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 19, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Let's see what the entire planet it doing. Not just one specific region Larry.

Poedtke, read my note, the same one you're getting so huffy about. It states the global trend for the same years, from the same RSS dataset, using the same method. Right there in simple words and numbers.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 19, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
Larry, is that raw data your graph has been based on? Any adjustments by throwing out anomalously cool outliers, detrending, smoothing, or outright reanalysis by model run if the data doesn't fit the desired slope? Smoke some more weed and calm down Wilbeer. It' s been a long day .
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 19, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
I would expect the old ass kissing remark.

But is that a Navy thing?

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Truth be told ,they have made this thread a hell of resource,like it or not.

Along with the rest of the tribe.....hahaha
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 19, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
Sumner, Spencer's data shows about the same global trend.

You trust Spencer, right?

Credit: monolith
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 19, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
Larry, is that raw data your graph has been based on? Any adjustments by throwing out anomalously cool outliers, detrending, smoothing, or outright reanalysis by model run if the data doesn't fit the desired slope?

Rather than making sleazy insinuations, Rick, why not show instead of pretending intelligence, and check it out for yourself? RSS stands for these guys,
http://www.remss.com/measurements/upper-air-temperature
and the data I graphed are straight from their site.

And while you're at it, how about explaining in your own words what "raw data" means in this context? Do satellites measure troposphere temperatures by lowering a thermometer on a string, or what?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Remote sensing systems and IR,. Instead of attacks, every time someone questions the source materials and methods of data handling for your graphs, why not answer the question Larry. We know you got the data from RSS, but did you adjust it for your graph? By the way on your graphing solution for "the much ballyhooed hiatus", as you called it, where are the graphs that you said you entered the influences of the PDO, NAO, and/or AMO, and what values did you attach to them?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 19, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
LARRY HAMILTON: That's more than twice the +.13C/decade trend for the globe

Thus my comment:

BTW: At the steady rate of warming you indicate below, it will take well over 250 plus years for it to attain the 2-3 or so Deg C increase globally that you all are fear mongering about.

The Big Picture Larry. Not just a cherry picked region in order to balloon the FEAR aspect.

The Propaganda Machine is alive in Larry Hamilton...
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
why not answer the question Larry
Because it wasn't a real question, Rick, just more posing in which you insinuated I was crooked while tossing out a bunch of words you do not understand.
Larry, is that raw data your graph has been based on? Any adjustments by throwing out anomalously cool outliers, detrending, smoothing, or outright reanalysis by model run if the data doesn't fit the desired slope?
In your own words now, what is reanalysis? How would detrending have steepened that slope? What do my mentioning of quantile and robust regression tell you about outliers?
Smoke some more weed and calm down Wilbeer. It' s been a long day.
While you're sneering at Wilbeer, how about quoting for us exactly what Poedtke wrote, that Wilbeer was reacting to (rather mildly)? Go ahead, Poedtke's proud words are right above.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 19, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
Even if i was a statistician, why bother Ed, Bob Tisdale did an extraordinary job of deconstructing Rahmstorf and Larry over on WUWT sometime ago. A true professional, his grasp of the full range of mechanisms, values as forcing or moderating agents, and their complex interactions was beyond argument. And Ed, were those possible negative feedbacks i mentioned last night realistic ?
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