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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 1, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
Modern Caterpillars Feed at Higher Temperatures in Response to Climate Change
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131219093558.htm
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
But it's a real ship with real people in real ice.

So fking what Larry? BFD!

Not the first time Larry.. not the first time.


Ever read this amazing story and how these dudes survived a far worse scenario for over 16 months. No one around to rescue their asses. And they did not do so by changing the environment. Nope. They did it by adapting to the changing environment, infinitely applying their enduring tenacity, imagination and perseverance to survive. Not one bit of science involved.











26 of the 28 men (ALL SURVIVED) had nothing higher than a modern day 6-8th grade education. Including the leader (below) who was said to be "bored" by his studies, quit school at the age of 16 and went off to join the Royal Navy.


Sir Ernest Shackleton

Who btw loved Greek Mythology and Poetry, was often ridiculed by his peer JO's for not having a solid based higher education and would then eventually tell those higher educated officers around him towards the end of his days on earth...

"I never learned much geography at school. I did so all on my own.
South: The Endurance Expedition



The rest is as they say..... history.





You PhD freaks etal here could definitely learn a thing or two from the three books of this and Shackelton's personal story.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:01am PT
Nope no dead reckoning involved in that rescue. Science? The hell you say! Those guys were infinite. Too bad half of their infinite asses were dead within 16 months of their rescue, in the trenches of Europe at the hands of YOUR MILITARY THE CHIEF.

Therefore your climate denial is crap!

Nice.

DMT
TLP

climber
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:02am PT
Well, there's something we can all agree on: that Shackleton and his guys were the ultimate in badassness. One of my ultimate lifetime museum-going moments was to lay a hand on the actual James Caird, not a replica, which was the 21 or so foot boat that six of them sailed about 1000 miles from Elephant Island to South Georgia, surviving a huge storm and probably a 100-foot rogue wave, then having to cross an unmapped mountain range with no mountaineering gear (or experience, for that matter) finally having to butt slide the final descent before freezing to death. The original trademark of bad ass.

Just quit while you're ahead and don't hold up these guys as a counter example to the education-birthrate negative correlation just because they didn't give birth to any children.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:06am PT
Too bad half of their infinite asses were dead within 16 months of their rescue, in the trenches of Europe at the hands of YOUR MILITARY THE CHIEF.

Nice Dingus. Nice....

Try again, son.


Hmmm. Best do some more history "Fact" checking there Dingus. Only TWO of the 28 actually gave their lives in WWI or ANY other war conflict.
http://www.enduranceobituaries.co.uk/obituariessummary.htm


Oh, that particular war was all started by the Gov't Political leaders. NOT the military. And, let's also state who's "MILITARY" it actually was they died fighting against:




I suggest you go back out to that Sportsmobile of yours parked in the drive-way and pound some more cold ones.

And by all means, do not apply any science to it. You may just end up blowing the damn thing up.



TLP:
Just quit while you're ahead and don't hold up these guys as a counter example to the education-birthrate negative correlation just because they didn't give birth to any children.

Please do indicate anywhere in the studies you cited:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/97facts/edu2birt.htm
http://www2.pitt.edu/~aleon/papers/fertility.pdf
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/pop994.doc.htm
http://www.studymode.com/essays/Relationship-Between-Fertility-Rates-And-Education-986990.html

Where anything about "Sex Education", or the lack of, is mentioned as a potential reason for the high child bearing amongst any of the women. Just one.

If you do notice, most of the indicated high child bearing women in those studies come from 3rd World Nations (Hispanics etc) and most assuredly married. Cultural values and traditions dictate there. NOT the lack of "SEX" education.

With that said, no where is the issue of MEN and their lack of education to keep their dicks in their pants or to themselves mentioned either.

WTF is up with that?


Need to add this...

ALL the latest craze throughout the world to have multiple children at one birth, well, guess how that was made possible??

Just one guess... naturally is a wrong answer btw.




six of them sailed about 1000 miles

Again, led by no other than that educational institute drop out, "SIR" Ernest Shackelton.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Gee EDH, that is nice. Fashionable and Siki Wiki... figures.


I not only read all about and thoroughly admired Shackelton back as a young boy in the 60's, I quit school as he did at 16 and joined the Navy primarily to go experience his life in the Antarctic.

Which of course I did for over 4.5 seasons in the late 70's early 80's. Loooooong before anyone ever had him as a twinkle in their eyes.

Fact is EDH, from 1981-1983, I and two other VXE-SIX helo crewman, were given the honor (by the NZ'd Antarctic Heritage Foundation) to see that his hut at Cape Royds was well taken care of etc. We flew out to the large and well established Adelie penguin rookery at the point of the cape on a regular basis, daily actually, and also checked up on the hut and the surrounding area.





And if you want to learn about the true Ernest, get and read this powerful bio. It consists of a large collection of his diaries and expedition journals:




You will thoroughly learn how he really did not care much for institutional education. He believed that one's life was better served learning things by actually going out into the world and experiencing them, first hand. He was also a very spiritual man. Notice I stated spiritual and not religious. He firmly believed that a power greater than anything man could ever conceive, was truly at the helm of everything in the Universe. Everything. He prayed/spoke to it regularly.

You Scientism types here would not like what he has to say about how one should live and look at their life in general. Not one bit actually.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 2, 2014 - 11:21am PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 2, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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Missing photo ID#335363
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 2, 2014 - 11:42am PT
Once again The Chuff exposes his intolerant underbelly. Once again anyone even slightly interested in researching personality characteristics will quickly discover - and easily verify - that a driving trait of authoritarians is intolerance.

Now before Rick and all the other RWA personalities point a finger of hypocrisy at all us normal people, lets look at the facts, Chuff being a shining example:

1) He is strongly anti science, anti intellectual. He holds the pusuit of these values as fundamentally immoral. There is no ambiguity in this statement and anyone willing to mine the data will confirm this. All of the other RWA's here are not nearly as bald faced about it as Chuff but generally speaking, they also adhere to Chuffian Darwinism.

2) He ( and they ) also assume and will accuse us normal people of being equally intolerant of "spirituality" or "religion", take your pick. In order to confirm this, he will attempt to explain that criticism indicates intolerance. No - scratch that. He will not explain anything, he will only assert, which is a prime indicator of intolerance.

Anyway, it hardly matters what total nonsense oozes out of his mouth, the important thing is that if anyone were to mine the data, it will be evident that whatever our criticisms, our ideology always leaves accommodation for the spiritual and the religious to pursue their beliefs all they want. We do not hold the spiritual or religious as inferior in morality. Their behavior, like ours, may qualify as either moral or immoral based on the effect it has, but it is not based on their spiritual beliefs of the existence of an unquantifiable power. We don't care what you believe in, we only care how you behave.


I would like to thank the Chuff for leading the discussion into what on the surface seemingly has nothing to do with climate science - abortion, sex education and male virility. Of course it has nothing to do with it, but it has everything to do with the politics of anti intellectualism and anti science.



The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC

Jan 2, 2014 - 08:42am PT
Once again The Chuff exposes his intolerant underbelly. Once again anyone even slightly interested in researching personality characteristics will quickly discover - and easily verify - that a driving trait of authoritarians is intolerance.

Now before Rick and all the other RWA personalities point a finger of hypocrisy at all us normal people, lets look at the facts, Chuff being a shining example:

1) He is strongly anti science, anti intellectual. He holds the pusuit of these values as fundamentally immoral. There is no ambiguity in this statement and anyone willing to mine the data will confirm this. All of the other RWA's here are not nearly as bald faced about it as Chuff but generally speaking, they also adhere to Chuffian Darwinism.

2) He ( and they ) also assume and will accuse us normal people of being equally intolerant of "spirituality" or "religion", take your pick. In order to confirm this, he will attempt to explain that criticism indicates intolerance. No - scratch that. He will not explain anything, he will only assert, which is a prime indicator of intolerance.

Anyway, it hardly matters what total nonsense oozes out of his mouth, the important thing is that if anyone were to mine the data, it will be evident that whatever our criticisms, our ideology always leaves accommodation for the spiritual and the religious to pursue their beliefs all they want. We do not hold the spiritual or religious as inferior in morality. Their behavior, like ours, may qualify as either moral or immoral based on the effect it has, but it is not based on their spiritual beliefs of the existence of an unquantifiable power. We don't care what you believe in, we only care how you behave.


I would like to thank the Chuff for leading the discussion into what on the surface seemingly has nothing to do with climate science - abortion, sex education and male virility. Of course it has nothing to do with it, but it has everything to do with the politics of anti intellectualism and anti science


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Which eventually turns into this....














BITCHEN!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
Well we know that Chuff won't but perhaps Rick Sumner or someone else who pretends to be more reasonable can refute it.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
More of the same from BRUCEE KY BOY... nice.







Keep it up BRUCEE BOY!!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
I'd be really interested in how Rick, Sketch, Ron, TGT etc can explain how and why they are perfectly comfortable aligning themselves in tribal allegiance with The Chuff. We know you share his values, but do you also respect his behavior?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
New Years eve with BRUCEE BOY and his Scientism Psycho Babbling buds...


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
Stoney, passive aggressive silence from Ricky, Sketch and gang......

Belligerent, obnoxious unabashed aggression from the Chuff......


All systems normal!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 01:08pm PT
...and then he wonders why I'd classify him as one of the nutjobs. His plot is the equivalent of what The Chief has to offer to the discussion as posted above.

What we have to offer is no different than anything any of you WARMIST SCIENTISM ECO GOTTA HAVE THE GOV'T SAVE THE WORLD FREAKS do.

Absolutely no different EDH.





COLD TEMP RECORDS through out NA are falling as each day passes. Not a peep about it from you people.

But had this been in the reverse, that is all we would be reading.



Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 2, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
Bruce,
you missed the plot the Sketch offered, reblogged, that takes some undefined time series and extrapolates it for decades into the future...

characteristically, he provides no links and no citation for the graph, and more, he couldn't reproduce the graph himself, couldn't download the data and even make the plots, couldn't use any of the the Excel spreadsheet functions to project the time series, couldn't perform the simplest analysis to indicate how good the functions reproduce the data, couldn't put an uncertainty on the extrapolations

BUT HE DOESN'T CARE

all he is trying to do is to troll what he considers to be an advocacy orthodoxy... he fashions himself to be an iconoclast, no doubt...

...and then he wonders why I'd classify him as one of the nutjobs. His plot is the equivalent of what The Chief has to offer to the discussion as posted above.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 2, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
yawn. Too bad its raining out.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 01:28pm PT
Blame that on AGW BRUCEEE BOY.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Come on... be consistent.


EDH:

instead you get to have fun photo-bombing the thread with what you take to be a humorous retort that avoids your having to put anything substantive to the thread.

Of course EDH, none of the people on this thread that side with you, they could never do such a thing. Never.



Oh how the hypocrisy continues to flooooooooooooooow!
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