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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:37am PT
Ed,

Yep, I've been hollering for a carbon tax since Reagan. His energy policy was Cheap Oil At Any Cost. Prices cratered, the domestic industry imploded.

We waste too much of the stuff whether you believe in global warming or not. 5% of the world's population uses 25% of the world's production, and transportation is the main use of liquid hydrocarbons. We fight wars based on keeping the cost down.

Coal is the preferred method of generating electricity. They build coal fired power plants in Oklahoma, Louisiana, Texas, and it drives the natural gas producers nuts.

The thinking in the domestic industry is to convert to nat gas as a transportation fuel, and use that as a bridge to get us to something truly clean. Methane is the cleanest of them all.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:38am PT
did you also catch the few million radio shows saying something about AGW being involved?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:44am PT
No BK,, the NASA report says the drought is FROM tectonic activities in the pacific. Nary an AGW werd was heard.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:49am PT
No BK,, the NASA report says the drought is FROM tectonic activities in the pacific. Nary an AGW werd was heard.
Why don't you track down that NASA report, Ron, and find out what it really said?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 14, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
Ed,

I mentioned the only problem with natural gas as a transportation fuel:

You only go half as far before having to fill up again.

It is ideal for fleet vehicles such as busses and UPS, etc. They have been using natural gas for decades. It saves them a ton of money, particularly right now.

If we switched to natural gas as a transportation fuel, our imports would shrink a great deal. Then we wouldn't have to keep a Nimitz class carrier group in the Middle East 24/7.

The argument over fracking is 99% made up baloney. The wells are low pressure producers compared to, say, an overpressured Springer Sand well that has 15,000 psia flowing pressure.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 14, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
In 100 hundred words or less Base, what is your take on the hazard of toxic contamination of water?

Low risk? high? localized rare? very or moderately controlable?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 14, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 14, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
which one of you knuckleheads are in charge?
which one of you knuckleheads are in charge?
Credit: Wade Icey

Peer reviewed dumbass!
Peer reviewed dumbass!
Credit: The Chef
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 14, 2014 - 12:39pm PT
How many explicitly endorse the position that more than half of the global warming since 1950 was man-made?

More than one percent?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 14, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
How many explicitly endorse the position that more than half of the global warming since 1950 was man-made?

More than one percent?

Parse attack!

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 14, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 14, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
Go China:

Last month, China’s State Council announced a new action plan to combat air pollution, which included a prohibition of new coal-fired power plants in the three most important metropolitan areas around Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou (known as the “key-three city clusters”).This followed a previous announcement of a $275 billion investment by the central government in improving air quality. The action plan aims to tackle the increasingly severe air pollution problem in China, which is largely caused by its massive consumption of coal.

http://www.wri.org/blog/can-china%E2%80%99s-air-pollution-action-plan-slow-down-new-coal-power-development
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 14, 2014 - 01:42pm PT
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=9751
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 14, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Hazardous containment water? I don't know much.

If you are referring to flow back frack load water, it is now cheaper to recycle it and use it over and over again. Early on, some states without a big oil and gas presence did all sorts of crazy stuff with it, such as salting roads. You would go to prison in any of the main production states if you did that.

The biggest problem with that water is that it is high in chlorides. Saltwater contamination is one of the worst pollutants around. It isn't toxic to humans, but it certainly is with plants. A saltwater spill is harder to clean up than an oil spill when on shore.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 14, 2014 - 03:00pm PT
A major and unyielding drought in California is causing concern in the nation's "food basket," as farmers there say the U.S. food supply could be hit hard if the conditions in their state don't rapidly improve.

"This is the driest year in 100 years,” says grower Joe Del Bosque, expressing concern that the hundreds of workers he employs for each year's harvest could be without a job this season.

According to the U.S. Drought Monitor, 2013 was the driest on record for most areas of California, "smashing previous record dry years" across the state, including regions where approximately half the fruits, vegetables and nuts in the U.S. are grown.

Those conditions have not relented as 2014 begins with most of the state experiencing official 'severe' or 'extreme drought' conditions.



Get ready for food prices to respond--and like The Chief says, ready to adapt.


Hey The Chief, can you go stick your finger in the lake again and comfort us, by telling us in your knowing way, that there is no drought.




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 14, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
^^^^which is being caused by pacific tectonic plate activities..
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 14, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
^^^^which is being caused by pacific tectonic plate activities..
C'mon, Ron, you've declared this twice now -- back it up.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 14, 2014 - 03:10pm PT
Get ready for food prices to respond--and like The Chief says, ready to adapt.


Hey The Chief, can you go stick your finger in the lake again and comfort us, by telling us in your knowing way, that there is no ...

 My well just got checked yesterday.... 106% and the feed rate is normal.

 We buy local organic and grow lots of our own stuff/eggs poultry etc.

 Gasoline is dropping and will continue to do so.

 The fishing on the OR (Upper and Lower) hasn't been better. Finger couldn't be wetter.


So, no worries at all here in the "wash" under the Whites. All is good to go. Situation AOK!




HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


Oh, and don't forget, this is THE NORM!!!!


Severe Ancient Droughts: A Warning to California
By WILLIAM K. STEVENS
Published: July 19, 1994
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BEGINNING about 1,100 years ago, what is now California baked in two droughts, the first lasting 220 years and the second 140 years. Each was much more intense than the mere six-year dry spells that afflict modern California from time to time, new studies of past climates show. The findings suggest, in fact, that relatively wet periods like the 20th century have been the exception rather than the rule in California for at least the last 3,500 years, and that mega-droughts are likely to recur.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/19/science/severe-ancient-droughts-a-warning-to-california.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Jan 14, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
No it is not.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 14, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
It is the Long Term NORM!!!



Better get used to it.






OH yea FRUMMY!


76/77 we had NOTHING, ZERO on the eastside till the end of December beginning of January. NOTHING!!!!! Big Fat ZERO precip from Aug 76 through the end of December 76.

https://www.ladwp.com/cs/idcplg?IdcService=GET_FILE&dDocName=LADWP003464&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased

How quickly you all forget.



How fking convenient.



Each and every one of you will die. Get used to that as well.
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