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Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Jan 30, 2015 - 09:44am PT
Geo-engineering is what happens when you pump billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every year. Ignorance is denying that these greenhouse gases are a form of geoengineering.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 30, 2015 - 11:43am PT
We've been spraying chemicals into the air, in large quantities, for 150 years. Currently, what, 20-30 billion tons of CO2 a year.

Upwards of 30 gigatons per year, and unlike these fantasies that geoengineering is really happening, right now. Along with so much other unintentional geoengineering from deforestation, soil erosion, or using ocean ecosystems as the ultimate sink. We're definitely changing the planet, heading in directions we won't like. Biologists have noted that "human-dominated ecosystems" are so ubiquitous now, it's hard to find the other kind.

As for the proposed geoengineering "solutions" to greenhouse warming, they look like bad ideas to me for many reasons, including (1) likely to bite back, perhaps drastically; (2) don't solve but excuse delayed action on the real problems; and (3) even if they worked perfectly as planned (which I doubt) it would be like taking heroin to cure your headache. If some geoengineering fix magically kept the atmosphere from frying our crops, we couldn't stop or pause ever.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 30, 2015 - 11:46am PT
Ah, you mean like the 100's of scientist throughout the globe that Monsanto hires annually

No, I don't mean scientists working for corporations like Monsanto.

I mean scientists paid by universities and government laboratories, because they have independence and can go wherever their research takes them. They can publish whatever they find.

You do understand the difference?
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 30, 2015 - 11:56am PT
Only those scientist that do the research and work that you and the others here agree with are true scientist. Right?

No. That's not what I said.
Roger Brown

climber
Oceano, California
Jan 30, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
Crunch,
:-)
dirtbag

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
Zzzzzz....
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 30, 2015 - 04:26pm PT
you are happy to use the modern conveniences offered by our technologies,

yes or no?

science provides the knowledge to produce the technologies... if you don't like it "just don't clip the bolt"

as far as genetic modification, did it ever occur to you that is exactly what happened in the domestication of various species: cows, sheep, corn, wheat, etc... only thousands of years ago? they are all genetically modified, selected to be of use to humans, by humans...

oh the horror!
new world order2

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:42pm PT
oh the horror!

Yes Ed, the "various species" you speak of were genetically modified, but by natural/non-scientific methods.

What Franken-Monsanto is creating, is a whole other corn on the cob.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/10/16/gm-study-reveals-health-damage-and-cover-up.aspx

A German court ordered Monsanto to make public a controversial 90-day rat study on June 20, 2005. The data upheld claims by prominent scientists that animals fed genetically modified (GM) corn developed extensive health effects in the blood, kidneys, and liver ... and that humans eating the corn might also be at risk.

Rats fed Mon 863 developed several reactions:

Increased basophils typically found with allergies

Increased lymphocytes and white blood cells, which is a common response to infections, toxins, and various diseases including cancer

Decreased reticulocyte (immature red blood cell) count as found in anemia

Decreased kidney weight, which often relates to blood pressure problems

Increased blood sugar levels

Kidney inflammation

Liver and kidney lesions

Do you like Froot Loops, Ed?

ndependent DNA lab testing has verified that 100% of the corn in Kellogg’s Froot Loops is genetically modified corn, containing DNA sequences known to be present in insecticide producing Bt and Roundup Ready corn.

Read more: http://naturalsociety.com/gmos-monsantos-roundup-found-kelloggs-froot-loops/#ixzz3QMK0R52Z
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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:50pm PT
The Chief...You have a thing for sheep...Is it the Basque heritage..?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:53pm PT
Do you actually ingest them foods ED H?

I just enjoyed a nice beer which used yeasts, malts and barleys that were all scientifically manipulated (perhaps not by molecular biology, but scientific none the less)...

...so yes, in fact, we all ingest genetically modified foods.

You don't have too if you don't want to... I don't eat Fruit Loops, that's a personal choice.


WBraun

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 05:55pm PT
Most scientists, like all of us, try to do what's right.


Are you sure you know what's right.

Rotting Johny sure doesn't ......
new world order2

climber
Jan 30, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
perhaps not by molecular biology

Therein lies the stickler. Unlike Monsanto.

There is no fruit in Froot Loops, Ed. I can see why you don't eat it. I don't either.
But there sure is a heck of a lot of GMO corn! Lol.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 30, 2015 - 06:55pm PT
Ed's right. We've been modifying crops, livestock, and geoengineering our environment for ten thousand years. I don't understand the current paranoia about modified crops anymore than I understand the paranoia about climate.

Ooh. Fruitloops, I loved those as a kid.
moosedrool

climber
Andrzej Citkowicz far away from Poland
Jan 30, 2015 - 11:30pm PT
"Poll sheds light on Republicans’ changing global warming views.

Nearly half of Republicans said they were more likely to support a political candidate who believes in human-caused global warming and who advocates action to stop its effects on the environment, a new poll released by Stanford University, The New York Times and environmental nonprofit Resources for the Future shows.

Asked if they would be more or less likely to vote for a candidate who believed “global warming has been happening for the past 100 years,” primarily because of humans’ “burning fuels and putting out greenhouse gases,” some 48 percent of Republican respondents said they would be more likely to vote for such a candidate, compared with 24 percent who said they would be less likely to do so; 26 percent said it would have no effect."

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/30/poll-sheds-light-on-gop-global-warming-views.html

Moosenews
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 31, 2015 - 05:52am PT
The "underlying utopian agenda" will never be achieved.

This is the underlying strawman agenda.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jan 31, 2015 - 07:28am PT
Hey Moose, if this is true, then why did 100% of Repubs in America vote in people to the Congress and Senate just over two months ago that 72% of or greater ARE NOT in tune with the CAGW agenda and will do all they can to reverse many of the latest EPA/POTUS's mandates and regulations regarding Coal Fired Plants etc. Which btw now own both the House and the Senate.

They're tribal.

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:09am PT
Right DMT. And endangered Polar Bears, blaming all adverse weather events on agw, the precautionary principle, "even if the science is wrong its still the right thing to do for the planet", and on and on and on aren't?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:14am PT
Over the past 50 years throughout most of B.C. and Alberta, the average nightly low temperature in the middle of winter has increased at least 2 C near the coast and up to 5 C in parts of the Rockies, according to University of Saskatchewan hydrologist John Pomeroy. Dr. Pomeroy, a Canada Research Chair in Water Resources and Climate Change, said climate change has shortened the spring ski season anywhere from four to six weeks at many hills.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/how-bcs-ski-resorts-are-coping-with-global-warming/article22731538/

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EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:36am PT
Interesting story. Love the graphics.





Here's another, for Whistler.



I'd like to see which "parts of The Rockies" have experienced a 5 C (9 F) increase in average nightly low temperature in the middle of winter, over the last 50 years.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 31, 2015 - 08:42am PT
The New York Times, Resources for the Future and Stanford University polled more than 1,000 American adults from Jan. 7 to 22 about issues pertaining to climate change and survey results showed that majority recognize global warming as real and that they would want their government to acknowledge the same so efforts to curb climate change can be enforced.

However, most Americans believe that global warming is more of a future threat. It is not the most pressing concern right now for many, with 44 percent of respondents saying global warming has not affected them personally. Respondents were more concerned about the repercussions global warming would have on future generations, with 43 percent saying it would affect them a great deal if nothing is done to address the issue.

The results of the poll also have implications for the presidential race in 2016 as about two-thirds of Americans are likelier to vote for a candidate campaigning to fight climate change. Global warming might not be a concern right now but a candidate that outright denies the existence of the problem will not be in a good light when the campaign period starts. Even 48 percent of Republicans are throwing their weight behind someone fighting climate change.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/30034/20150131/survey-reveals-americans-see-global-warming-as-critical-threat-call-for-action-on-climate-change.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/29/us/global-warming-poll.html?_r=0

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