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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 15, 2014 - 01:29pm PT



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC

Jan 15, 2014 - 10:12am PT
Yes rick I am communist.

But at least I have integrity, unlike you.

A "communist" with integrity.



That's like saying you are a "MERC" with deep honest emotions.




This the latest AGW philosophy from the oh great, Dr. James Hansen (Ret):

Unloading essentially means the removal of an existing burden: for instance, removing grazing domesticated animals, razing cities to the ground, blowing up dams and switching off the greenhouse gas emissions machine. The process of ecological unloading is an accumulation of many of the things I have already explained in this chapter, along with an (almost certainly necessary) element of sabotage. If carried out willingly and on a sufficiently large scale, this process would require dismantling many of the key components of civilization; no person would be foolish enough to cut off their own limbs unless they were suffering from some kind of psychotic delusion, and no civilization would be willing to remove many of the pillars of its own existence.

Looking from the outside, though, a civilization hacking off its own extremities would seem like exactly the right thing to do.









Five years after this assertion, it continues.... no warming.


“Pauses as long as 15 years are rare in the simulations, and ‘we expect that [real-world] warming will resume in the next few years,’ the Hadley Centre group writes…. Researchers … agree that no sort of natural variability can hold off greenhouse warming much longer.”
 Richard Kerr, Science (2009)




As of last month from NOAA:

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 15, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
This the latest AGW philosophy from the oh great, Dr. James Hansen (Ret):
No, the quote is not from Hansen, it's not recent, and it's not his AGW philosophy.

The quote comes from an anarchist writer named Keith Farnish. In 2008 Farnish wrote to Hansen asking him to write a blurb for a Farnish's book, and Hansen hastily complied while admitting he did not have time to read the book. Hansen has since publicly regretted this blurb, which took on a whole different meaning than Hansen intended when read together with Farnish's anarchist book. What Hansen wrote for the blurb actually is a statement of his philosophy:
"Keith Farnish has it right: time has practically run out, and the 'system' is the problem. Governments are under the thumb of fossil fuel special interests -- they will not look after our and the planet's well-being until we force them to do so, and that is going to require enormous effort."
He has since written this clarification of what he means by "enormous effort." I can add that he made essentially the same points about such effort in his talks at the AGU meetings last month.
In my talks I emphasize the need for young people to get involved and influence the older generations. I specifically list three strategies to be pursued in unison: (1) Dialogue with governments, including use of the ballot box (2) Courts, including common law that today's adults are enjoying use of property that belongs to young people and future generations, use that comes with responsibilities (3) Peaceful demonstration, specifically "civil resistance". Gandhi makes clear in his writings that his approach (which I agree with) is best described by "civil resistance", even though he sometimes used the more popular phrase "civil disobedience". Specifically, note that I have not endorsed anarchy.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 15, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
No, the quote is not from Hansen, it's not recent, and it's not his AGW philosophy.

Never did I post it as a "Hansen" "QUOTE".... Larry. There ya go assuming again. Yet another example of how you do that rather well.

But thanks for re-affirming that it is in fact his "AGW" (underlying) philosophy/agenda...

"Keith Farnish has it right: time has practically run out, and the 'system' is the problem.

One is in fact a good as the other.


"Time is running out".

According to whom and what is the underlying definition of "time".

According to you all, the world is going to come to crashing end by the yeat 2100 unless we follow Keith Farnish's call to duty.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
Chief Number One.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
Sorry MONO.. NO WARMING in the past 15 years. NONE! ZERO..


That is per NOAA. No blog.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:13pm PT




Last year was at or BELOW normal for most of the US. Ranked as the 37th warmest.

In 2013, the contiguous United States (CONUS) average temperature of 52.4°F was 0.3°F above the 20th century average, and tied with 1980 as the 37th warmest year in the 119-year period of record.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national

Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:17pm PT
What's your point, Mono?

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
Kid like manipulation of graphs all showing the very same thing.. warming hasnt been warming for 17 years. Anectdotal as that is..;-)
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
Shocker! Poedtke makes more stuff up!
Never did I post it as a "Hansen" "QUOTE"
False. You wrote exactly this
This the latest AGW philosophy from the oh great, Dr. James Hansen (Ret):
and then followed that by a big block quotation, no other source mentioned. Being more truthful than you I pointed out that it was not from Hansen, not his philosophy, and not the latest. But then you wrote
But thanks for re-affirming that it is in fact his "AGW" (underlying) philosophy/agenda...
False. I gave a different quote than you did, one that actually is his philosophy.
One is in fact a good as the other.
Only to you.
According to you all, the world is going to come to crashing end by the yeat 2100 unless we follow Keith Farnish's call to duty.
False, you made that up too. No one else here has said anything about Keith Farnish's call, and I doubt many agree with him. I don't.

Is reality too tough for you, or too confusing to keep track of?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:25pm PT
Lol, chief number one and sketch choose small data sets over large ones.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:27pm PT
That appears to be a fake trend line, as well.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:33pm PT
Ah.... NO, LARRY.


http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/11


Do the figures yourself and prove it wrong.



Jan 15, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
Shocker! Poedtke makes more stuff up!
Never did I post it as a "Hansen" "QUOTE"
False. You wrote exactly this
This the latest AGW philosophy from the oh great, Dr. James Hansen (Ret):

Never indicated as a "quote" Larry. Show us where I indicated it as such in my original post.

His name nor date was indicated under that specific "quote" in which I referred Hansen's philosophy. He did of course indicate that "quote" of Farin in his writing to equate his point to Farnish's. If he didn't, why would he have asked him permission to "quote" him?

Dah. Another manipulation on your part LARRY!!! Nice.

But then again, you do need to necessitate your PhD.



Rick S has you pegged. Down to the unclipped toe nails that are putting them big fat holes in your agenda socks.


Damn reality sucks, huh Larry Hamilton.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
War of the Walls, third pitch traverse
War of the Walls, third pitch traverse
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Jeebs will follow you
Jeebs will follow you
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Jebus H Bomz

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Peavine Basecamp
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Richard styles - boulder strong brat! Our high point of the day before...
Richard styles - boulder strong brat! Our high point of the day before "escaping"
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Jebus H Bomz

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Peavine Basecamp
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Along the commute in - Tuolumne at sunset
Along the commute in - Tuolumne at sunset
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Jebus H Bomz

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Peavine Basecamp
Jan 15, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Sun Wall Left
Sun Wall Left
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Jebus H Bomz

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Peavine Basecamp
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last clip
last clip
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Jebus H Bomz

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Django
Django
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Jebus H Bomz

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Cain't
Cain't
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Jebus H Bomz

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Jan 15, 2014 - 03:39pm PT
It's a rap. Taurus, Sugarloaf.
It's a rap. Taurus, Sugarloaf.
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