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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:36pm PT
^^^^^DR F (Craig Fry) already tried that several times.


Now move along DIRTTWIT. I not once demeaned MONO's child. Just his dumbass hypocrisy in stating that someone else other than the "6yr old girls" parents should be required to teach them about their basic sexual responsibilities.

In this case, MONO.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:37pm PT
Sex Edoocatin' best be done behind closed doors, by ma and pa...

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
AGW Researchers (propagandists) and Ecotourists (patsies)

Abandon ship!

CANBERRA, Australia (AP) -- Passengers on board a research ship that has been trapped in Antarctic ice for more than a week are expected to be rescued by helicopter on Thursday after three icebreakers failed to reach the paralyzed vessel, officials said.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority's Rescue Coordination Centre, which is handling the operation, said early Thursday that weather conditions had improved in the area since Wednesday and rescue flights were likely to commence shortly. Wind in the area had died down to 10 knots (19 kmh) and visibility had improved, with conditions expected to remain favorable for the next 36 hours, the center said in a statement.

"A stunning day," expedition leader Chris Turney said in a video posted on his Twitter account, blue sky visible behind him. "Hopefully we'll hear about the evacuation soon."

The 74 scientists, tourists and crew on the Russian ship MV Akademik Shokalskiy, which has been stuck since Christmas Eve, had been hoping the Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis would be able to crack through the thick ice and allow them to continue on their way. The Aurora came within 20 kilometers (12 miles) of the ship Monday, but fierce winds and snow forced it to retreat to open water.

The helicopter on board the Chinese-flagged vessel Snow Dragon will be used to rescue 52 scientists and tourists, a dozen at a time, over five hours. All 22 crew members are expected to stay with their icebound vessel, which is not in danger.

The maritime authority said the passengers will be flown 11 kilometers (7 miles) to the Chinese ship, from where they will be transported 4 kilometers (2 miles) by barge to the Australian icebreaker. They are expected to reach the Australian island state of Tasmania by mid-January.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_ANTARCTICA_ICEBOUND_SHIP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-01-01-18-16-52
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:41pm PT
Amazing how now you Socialists are going to demand that the GOV'T teach your children about sex education in order to fight AGW.


Oh the Socialist Doctrine/Ideology is coming to bear at full force.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:47pm PT
YOU, Chief, are the cause of these ABORTIONS, because you are part of a network that tries to restrict access to Planned Parenthood, and restrict access to birth control to women in general, health care in general.

I am????


Really.... NOT.


I worked for the MONO County Dept of Family Services for 3 years as the County's Asst Youth D/A prevention program Coord. Which btw, entailed doing everything you deem me from preventing these "girls" access to.



Not only does the hypocrisy here flow. So does the ignorance of your pathetic socialist ideology.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:47pm PT
I think Santa must have been really good to chuff this year!

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC

Jan 1, 2014 - 06:47pm PT
I think .....



Once again, Brucee KY Boy is thinking.... stand the fuk by.... he's gonna bloooooooooooow!!!!



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:56pm PT
Time to chill out!

http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/01/01/if-all-you-see-997/
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
But when the supply runs out, hold onto your hat!

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
OK, just about all the ideology brigade has chimed in about that ship trapped in the ice, sure that someone's misfortune makes a great talking point for their politics.

But it's a real ship with real people in real ice. Here's what actually happened to trap the Australasian Antarctic Expedition, attempting to retrace the route taken by its namesake (led by Australian Douglas Matson) in 1911-1914, during the Heroic Age of Antarctic exploration:

It has been a sobering week. At the time we were initially caught by the sea ice, the Shokalskiy was just 2 to 4 nautical miles from open water. Now the sea ice distance has become even greater with the continued winds from the east, putting our nearest point of exit at some 16 nautical miles....
The wind is not unusual but what is unexpected is the major reconfiguration of thick multi-year sea ice to the east of the Mertz Glacier. In 2010, a large iceberg known as B09B, calved from the continent and collided spectacularly with the extended tongue of the Mertz Glacier. The knock-on effect has been that Commonwealth Bay has filled with sea ice (termed ‘fast ice’), preventing direct access from the sea to Mawson’s main hut at Cape Denison. Unfortunately for the AAE, it appears the region has just undergone a massive reconfiguration of sea ice, years after the loss of the Mertz Glacier tongue. This has been revealed by new satellite imagery which arrived today from the AAD/ACE CRC Sea Ice Group in Hobart, Tasmania. The satellite maps show the comparison before and after the event, with deep purple signifying 100% sea ice cover and dark blue, open water. (Note: the outline of the Mertz Glacier tongue is shown on the maps but disappeared following the collision with B09B). Crucially, these images show the extensive, thick multi-year sea ice along the eastern and southern edge of what was the Mertz Glacier Tongue (outlined by a red box) has been blown out in the last week and driven against our position by the persistent southeasterly winds. It is too early to identify the cause of this remobilisation of ice but we may be looking at the future long-term expansion of fast ice to the east of Commonwealth Bay.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 09:59pm PT
Thanks Brucee KY for proving my point....


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


Any minute now BRUCEEEEEEEEEEEE





TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 1, 2014 - 10:18pm PT
The "Ship of Fools"

http://www.janetrice.com.au/



If the weather breaks, another attempt will be made to rescue them from the really bad global warming on Thursday, which, because of the time differences, would be sometime tonight (east coast time). If they’re able to be rescued, they’ll be ferried to a Chinese fossil fueled ship, then jump back on a fossil fueled helicopter to a fossil fueled Australian ice breaker. If they can’t be rescued, a fossil fueled American ice breaker is 10 days away. Either way, they’ll eventually (we hope), make it back to New Zealand (where the fossil fueled trip started…well, except for all the fossil fueled plane rides to NZ) or Australia. Then can take fossil fueled airplane trips home. All to let us know that climate change caused by fossil fuels is Bad.

Oh, and the ice is so bad that the Chinese ice breaker has been staying away and moving constantly.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 1, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
Modern Caterpillars Feed at Higher Temperatures in Response to Climate Change
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131219093558.htm
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
But it's a real ship with real people in real ice.

So fking what Larry? BFD!

Not the first time Larry.. not the first time.


Ever read this amazing story and how these dudes survived a far worse scenario for over 16 months. No one around to rescue their asses. And they did not do so by changing the environment. Nope. They did it by adapting to the changing environment, infinitely applying their enduring tenacity, imagination and perseverance to survive. Not one bit of science involved.











26 of the 28 men (ALL SURVIVED) had nothing higher than a modern day 6-8th grade education. Including the leader (below) who was said to be "bored" by his studies, quit school at the age of 16 and went off to join the Royal Navy.


Sir Ernest Shackleton

Who btw loved Greek Mythology and Poetry, was often ridiculed by his peer JO's for not having a solid based higher education and would then eventually tell those higher educated officers around him towards the end of his days on earth...

"I never learned much geography at school. I did so all on my own.
South: The Endurance Expedition



The rest is as they say..... history.





You PhD freaks etal here could definitely learn a thing or two from the three books of this and Shackelton's personal story.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:01am PT
Nope no dead reckoning involved in that rescue. Science? The hell you say! Those guys were infinite. Too bad half of their infinite asses were dead within 16 months of their rescue, in the trenches of Europe at the hands of YOUR MILITARY THE CHIEF.

Therefore your climate denial is crap!

Nice.

DMT
TLP

climber
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:02am PT
Well, there's something we can all agree on: that Shackleton and his guys were the ultimate in badassness. One of my ultimate lifetime museum-going moments was to lay a hand on the actual James Caird, not a replica, which was the 21 or so foot boat that six of them sailed about 1000 miles from Elephant Island to South Georgia, surviving a huge storm and probably a 100-foot rogue wave, then having to cross an unmapped mountain range with no mountaineering gear (or experience, for that matter) finally having to butt slide the final descent before freezing to death. The original trademark of bad ass.

Just quit while you're ahead and don't hold up these guys as a counter example to the education-birthrate negative correlation just because they didn't give birth to any children.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:06am PT
Too bad half of their infinite asses were dead within 16 months of their rescue, in the trenches of Europe at the hands of YOUR MILITARY THE CHIEF.

Nice Dingus. Nice....

Try again, son.


Hmmm. Best do some more history "Fact" checking there Dingus. Only TWO of the 28 actually gave their lives in WWI or ANY other war conflict.
http://www.enduranceobituaries.co.uk/obituariessummary.htm


Oh, that particular war was all started by the Gov't Political leaders. NOT the military. And, let's also state who's "MILITARY" it actually was they died fighting against:




I suggest you go back out to that Sportsmobile of yours parked in the drive-way and pound some more cold ones.

And by all means, do not apply any science to it. You may just end up blowing the damn thing up.



TLP:
Just quit while you're ahead and don't hold up these guys as a counter example to the education-birthrate negative correlation just because they didn't give birth to any children.

Please do indicate anywhere in the studies you cited:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/97facts/edu2birt.htm
http://www2.pitt.edu/~aleon/papers/fertility.pdf
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/pop994.doc.htm
http://www.studymode.com/essays/Relationship-Between-Fertility-Rates-And-Education-986990.html

Where anything about "Sex Education", or the lack of, is mentioned as a potential reason for the high child bearing amongst any of the women. Just one.

If you do notice, most of the indicated high child bearing women in those studies come from 3rd World Nations (Hispanics etc) and most assuredly married. Cultural values and traditions dictate there. NOT the lack of "SEX" education.

With that said, no where is the issue of MEN and their lack of education to keep their dicks in their pants or to themselves mentioned either.

WTF is up with that?


Need to add this...

ALL the latest craze throughout the world to have multiple children at one birth, well, guess how that was made possible??

Just one guess... naturally is a wrong answer btw.




six of them sailed about 1000 miles

Again, led by no other than that educational institute drop out, "SIR" Ernest Shackelton.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 2, 2014 - 09:39am PT
Gee EDH, that is nice. Fashionable and Siki Wiki... figures.


I not only read all about and thoroughly admired Shackelton back as a young boy in the 60's, I quit school as he did at 16 and joined the Navy primarily to go experience his life in the Antarctic.

Which of course I did for over 4.5 seasons in the late 70's early 80's. Loooooong before anyone ever had him as a twinkle in their eyes.

Fact is EDH, from 1981-1983, I and two other VXE-SIX helo crewman, were given the honor (by the NZ'd Antarctic Heritage Foundation) to see that his hut at Cape Royds was well taken care of etc. We flew out to the large and well established Adelie penguin rookery at the point of the cape on a regular basis, daily actually, and also checked up on the hut and the surrounding area.





And if you want to learn about the true Ernest, get and read this powerful bio. It consists of a large collection of his diaries and expedition journals:




You will thoroughly learn how he really did not care much for institutional education. He believed that one's life was better served learning things by actually going out into the world and experiencing them, first hand. He was also a very spiritual man. Notice I stated spiritual and not religious. He firmly believed that a power greater than anything man could ever conceive, was truly at the helm of everything in the Universe. Everything. He prayed/spoke to it regularly.

You Scientism types here would not like what he has to say about how one should live and look at their life in general. Not one bit actually.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jan 2, 2014 - 11:21am PT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 2, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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