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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 1, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
Happy new years to all and best wishes for continuation of the global cooling trend.We wouldn't want to slow cook, now would we?

Has any one else noticed the increased testiness of Dr. Hartouni in these latter days? May i be so bold to suggest that the cause of this unease is not solely attributable to the need to spar through us morons to get his message out. Perhaps, deep inside that considerable mind their is an ongoing tussle between an ideology and a realization of the flaws of CO2 scientology as measured against reality. Just a thought-not worthy of comment.

Anyway for his tireless efforts to moderate, inform, educate throughout the many threads of this forum he deserves special recognition. Since we have a king-er president ,and not a queen of England, that is not likely to take notice i suggest we knight him ourselves. Sir Edward Hartouni, kind of rolls off the tongue,eh?

EDIT; yes he did DMT, this is not entirely jester
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 1, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
Ed earned his title. Doctor Hartouni rather than a crown of thorns from the Court Jester.

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 12:39pm PT
Ed earned his title. Doctor Hartouni rather than a crown of thorns from the Court Jester.

DMT

WTF does that have to do with Rick's point Dingus...


Perhaps, deep inside that considerable mind their is an ongoing tussle between an ideology and a realization of the flaws of CO2 scientology as measured against reality.




Nothing!


Reason Dingus... the likes of DR. James Hansen AND Vise President of the United States/Senator Al Gore, and many other buffoons ALSO "earned" their "titles" .

Titles don't mean jackshet.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 1, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
Well, the Chief, when a person earns a title I afford that title it's due respect.

DMT

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 1, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
Has any one else noticed the increased testiness of Dr. Hartouni in these latter days? May i be so bold to suggest
We're hearing now from The Make-Believe Perfessor but I suspect the Bizarro-World Ranter will come back soon. He's never far below the surface.
that the cause of this unease is not solely attributable to the need to spar through us morons to get his message out. Perhaps, deep inside that considerable mind their is an ongoing tussle between an ideology and a realization of the flaws of CO2 scientology as measured against reality. Just a thought-not worthy of comment.
The Make-Believe Perfessor is not even slightly smarter on topics of motivation than he is on climate, physics, surveys, numbers, science or generally distinguishing between what's real and what is made up in his head. More reality-based people reading this thread understand perfectly well why Dr H sometimes gets testy.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 1, 2014 - 12:55pm PT


Went out to study the effects of global warming.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 1, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
You have a lot of nerve lecturing anyone on ideological bias .

Upthread there is a graph showing that among Republicans there is actually an increase in the proportion who firmly believe that the world is 4000 or so years old. There is one probable explanation for this. It is a well known characteristic of right wing authoritarian personalities that as a percieved threat to thier ideology increases, they increase their level of devotion and loyalty. This is a defensive mechanism associated entirely with their imperatives of certainty and loyalty. It cannot be a result rational decision making because reason, logic and fact all indicate an never decreasing certainty that the world is quite a bit older.

The same process occurs here. the right wing authoritarian personalities here ( rick , Chuff, Wrong, Dave, Sketch, Complete error....) will never abandon their ideology in favor of fact. They are the Jim Jonses and David Koresh's of the climate change thread. My new years prediction is that eventually they will gradually fade into the back ground to silently lick their wounds. Ron Anderson already has.

As ideology goes their ace in the pocket is always the fall back position of mean contemptible Chuffian Darwinism. Which of course positions them in a morally shakey corner.... that they refuse to discuss

So if you are going to point fingers of ideological bias Rick, you better show a little courage and start rationalizing your own right here and right now.




























and a happy new year to you too!
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 1, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
well a ship stuck in the ice certainly nullifies climate science as handily as the use of Caps and Bold type. good work .
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Jan 1, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
WhoaNelly. . . recently a friend of mine was tellin' me he was totally into this thread so I stopped by to see what all the ruckus was about. . . and. . .

Frikk-a-Zee, if I don't find a number of my heroes (as in favorite dads) here kinda gettin' all pissy with each other. . . hmmmmmm . . . that's OK, I guess.

Carry on!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Jan 1, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
Bruce,, you should NEVER attempt to speak for me.

The globull warming has turned globull cooling. All while you were drooling. Four years worth of this thread and not one graph, number or anything else has changed. Four yr fail...Hard to ignore that glaring fact eh.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 1, 2014 - 01:13pm PT
Maybe you should have kept licking your wounds Ron.

;)

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 1, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
Oh I knew you were silently trolling in the back ground there .. silently.... like werner.

I just wanted to poke you in the eye a bit.... like werner


my point is, you will never ever be able to say " I guess you guys were right" no matter how much the weight of factual evidence. It is a cultural imperative of authoritarians to never betray their ideological values no matter what. Better to go hide somewhere to re jigger strategy.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 1, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
Basically, as a species, we are screwed. I could give a lecture on our hydrocarbon use, which we pay for in lives to keep it cheap at the pump. Why do you think that we still maintain a cold war level military, and spend it, along with lives, in third world sh#t holes that pose no physical threat to us?

No kidding. The U.S. is the third richest oil producing country on the planet and uses 25% of the world's production despite having 4% of the world's population. We waste so much oil. We pay for only part of it at the pump. The real cost includes a massive military presence in the Middle East, and stupid wars that we fight in third world shitholes for no good reason.

Our population growth, as a species, is unsustainable. Does anyone really think that the planet can handle the continued exponential growth?

If I can give any insight into this, you have to understand the nature of exponential growth. I promise that this is one of the best scientific lectures out there. I never really understood this until somebody sent me this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=umFnrvcS6AQ

I suppose that people like Gobee are happy that there are more souls for Jesus, but I think that we are hosed. Here is global population growth:

Credit: BASE104
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 1, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
Four years worth of this thread and not one graph, number or anything else has changed.
you must be referring to this one

Peer reviewed dumbass!
Peer reviewed dumbass!
Credit: The Chef
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 1, 2014 - 02:21pm PT
I can't "speak for" Ed, Chiloe, Base any more than for Ron, but I can guess. What the right wingers may not realize, or perhaps do not value, is that it is possible that these guys keep coming back here and contributing out of a sense of responsibility. It is an ethic. With great knowlege come great responsibility. It may be pretty distasteful hanging out here but it is important if you give the slightest rats ass for your kids future.

Here is the clincher. We as climbers also have great knowledge and experience that can contribute to our greater society. Even us dumbfuks know a thing or two about risk and forecasting, if we are at least willing to give it some thought.

Here is something that ties together Base and Eds latest contributions in a language the rest of us can relate to

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
Hey, BASE LIED AGAIN.....He's BACK!















Well, the Chief, when a person earns a title I afford that title it's due respect.

You should know better than that DINGUS.


Remember, you DO NOT SALUTE the individual. You salute the UNIFORM/INSIGNIA that the individual is wearing. If the individual underneath the uniform/insignia is a piece of walking shet, the salute is administered in a fashion that displays the due disrespect he/she deserves.

That is proper military protocol and anyone (YOU DINGUS) that has been there and done that, duly knows ALL about that.

dirtbag

climber
Jan 1, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 1, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
I think that we are hosed. Here is global population growth:

The implications of exponential growth were among the first things noted by the Limits to Growth authors in their 1972 book based on experiments with a simple model of the world. Their basic conclusion was that if you have
(1) exponential growth, constrained by
(2) limitations in resource sources or sinks, but
(3) time delays between encountering limits and moderating the growth,
then
(4) overshoot and collapse will result.

In their more pessimistic runs, overshoot and collapse occurred in the middle or late 21st century. This was explicitly not meant as a literal prediction, however.

Their World 3 model was way simpler than the real world of course. At the time it was attacked as too pessimistic from both the left and the right, partly from utopian or cornucopian ideologies but also from sensible it's-more-complicated-than-that perspectives. Still, I'm not sure it has aged worse than its critiques, which themselves filled many volumes. Taken just as an if...then statement, The Limits to Growth remains pretty straightforward.

This small paperback by four Jay Forrester proteges was inflated into the bible of a vast conspiracy involving the National Academy of Sciences, United Nations, European Union countries and environmental organizations in one of Rick Sumner's loonier rants.
K-man, see the Club of Rome and it's bible, The Limits of Growth, for an answer to why the leadership of the NAS,the U.N, many European Union, and many environmental organizations are lying through their rotting teeth.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 1, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
The above post solidifies the FACT how this is all about the ideology of the entire aspect within the Climate Science scientism agenda.

Nothing more.

Thank you Larry Hamilton.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 1, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
The above post solidifies the FACT how this is all about the ideology of the entire aspect within the Climate Science scientism agenda.

Nothing more.

Thank you Larry Hamilton.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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