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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
the irrational comes from fear due to ignorance absolutely through no fault of their own. Where's your empathy?

Where were you 20 thousand posts ago? That was the last time I had anything but scorn for Chuff and co. I don't have a problem with ignorance - it is relentless, entrenched, beligerant and recalcitrant ignorance that deserves no quarter. Nobody has an entitlement to that... except for these welfare queens apparently. The entitlement culture that exists in the right wing is that they are entitled to their opinion. I call bullshit on that. No one is entitled to an opinion unless it is informed and defensible. If you can't defend your opinion using basic intellectual principles then you must discard your opinion under the weight of superior argument.

This of course dosn't wash with the Rick, Rick and Wrong army of sulk, but then they don't subscribe to any principles at all other than weird, mangled distortions like "confidence in your own council" or principles that they would rather not overtly admit to, such as deceit, cowardice and coercion.

Ignorance is everywhere and in everyone to varying degrees and is not a vice. Hell I myself am grossly ignorant of climate science other than in very general layman terms. The vice is in willful incompetency.
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Whoa, okay Bruce. I'm with you. No quarter for boneheadedness.

Chumphly, you're beyond hope. Have fun inhaling motorhead fumes while you continue on your dimwitted path. Something has made you very close-minded.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
But a smart Utopian indeed.
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
wilbeer, I am rather partial to Rundgren.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
City in my head,and so am I.

EDIT:I have drifted
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Have fun inhaling motorhead fumes while you continue on your dimwitted path. Something has made you very close-minded.

Yup and thank you...


Ah the Irish and English. How they know how to live.







You outta try it just once MIMI... you'll never go back. Never.


And your entire outlook on this fortune fear telling will go by the wayside.
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Chumph, I've ridden rice rockets and a Harley on AZ highways and loved it. I almost bought a bike once but saner thoughts prevailed. For someone into motorbikes, I'm surprised you don't have a higher appreciation for tech. You seem to stop at the cc level. What up with that?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
So MIMI, what was the fastest YOU have gone. Not on the back of a bike either. Rather actually piloting one.



I almost bought a bike once but saner thoughts prevailed.

There ya go again belittling.


Do you actually climb or just pretend to ...

... but saner thoughts prevailed.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:51pm PT
I hear ya Wilbeer-the same lecture over and over.

Talk about a single track narrow mind- old Freud has been here forever and never bothered to learn a damn thing about the science. He prefers to follow the chicken little cowards with blinders and a muffler wrapped ear to ear around his thick skull so reality never has a possibility of intruding into his illusory world of smug self righteousness.

Follow old Freud to your own peril Mimi, or take some time to learn some of the science before you condemn others for ignorance.

Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Chumph, you're the kind of guy I'd have punched in the stomach. And you'd have liked it.

Not that I have to explain myself to you but I'm trying to break ground here. I drove around 90 on the Harley on I10 from Tucson to Tempe after a Beanfest. Have pictures of that ride. Not very fast in the city on Desert Frank's Yamaha, maybe around 50. No helmet in town but we wore them on the highway.

Not sure what you mean by pretending to climb?

Rick, give me a few minutes to read your posts. Not sure what you're getting at yet.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Not sure what you mean by pretending to climb?

Ah... this oxytotallymoronic comment.

... but saner thoughts prevailed.


Oh, and this totally makes a ton of sense....

No helmet in town but we wore them on the highway.



Oh, almost forgot...

Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
Not meaning to belittle at all in that instance. Don't be so defensive.

There was no helmet law so we elected to wear them when we thought it prudent, same as climbing. We were young and stupid. I believed at the time if you screwed up, a helmet wouldn't matter.

Not knowing your definition of pretending to climb, I had to ask.

If you're going to post graphs and challenge data, I can see how you'd get lost in the weeds.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
old Freud


You can't even get that right Rick and again I would suspect you are avoiding your obvious unsavory realities in favor of dennegrating another high brow field of study that is seemingly miles above your intellectual capacity anyway.

What is within your grasp - and is within the grasp of even the most unsavy of science - is ethics. The fact that you can't discern between intuition and prejudice is a technical flaw in your decision making matrix. The fact that you are not even interested is one of ethics. Similarly if you won't engage in an examination of humility, or an attempt to define your principles, all fully relevant to the role of validating your judgement, you are being unethical. If you distrust the science you must produce evidence that it is inworthy of trust and to fail to do so is unethical.

That is what this is all about. Frank luntz's study group was ignorant of the facts about ICBM's over america but that isn't a crime. It suddenly becomes a crime when they blame their ignorance on somebody else for the sole purpose of avoiding changing their beliefs and behavior.

For the most part the only freud I use regularly is my biusket joiner. Ethics is what this is all about Rick and you ain't got any.

take some time to learn some of the science


We all do to the extent that we desire. There you and I are no different. The difference comes where I aknowledge my limitations while you ignore yours and assume that others far superior to your own are inferior to you. You are a dangerous incompetent and my intent is to make you simply incompetent.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
I can see how you'd get lost in the weeds.

No weeds. Sage brush maybe.


Never lost. Never. I keep my eye on Polaris regularly when it gets a little dark. Don't matter what direction I head during the day.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
A year ago you couldn't even spell carpenter and now you is one, ha Freud? It's Biscuit you idiot.

21,000 posts and Happy New Year
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
Yeah well like i said, I may be ignorant but at least I am ethical.

Its not the ignorant you have to watch out for in this world, its the gypo contractors that use taxidermists for plumbers.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 22, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC

Dec 22, 2013 - 05:30pm PT


Yeah well like i said, I may be ignorant but... Its not the ignorant you have to watch out for in this world.


Yabadabadoooooooooooooooooooo
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
The difference comes where I acknowledge my limitations while you ignore yours and assume that others far superior to your own are inferior to you.
classic Dunning Kruger

Ignorance is not knowing the facts
Stupidity is denying the facts
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
But that's the problem. Education is lacking so people don't understand.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Dec 22, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Assuming you have expertise in a field that you know nothing about is hubris plain & simple.

A reasonable man knows his limitations, even if he doesn't know the exact boundaries.
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