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moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Dec 13, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
I am cold.

Just saying...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
there may be a very good reason for that drool.

Are you presently located in the southern or northern hemisphere?


Here is a cool article, something that gets to the heart of moral decision making, such as wether to lie to further your group against a percieved enemy, or the limitations of intuition....

6. Humanity may, objectively, be becoming more moral. Based on many experiments with Public Goods Games, trolleys, and other scenarios, Greene has come to the conclusion that we can only trust gut-level morality to do so much. Uncomfortable scenarios like the footbridge dilemma notwithstanding, he believes that something like utilitarianism, which he defines as "maximize happiness impartially," is the only moral approach that can work with a vast, complex world comprised of many different groups of people.

But to get there, Greene says, requires the moral version of a gut override on the part of humanity—a shift to "manual mode," as he puts it.

The surprise, then, is that he's actually pretty optimistic. It is far easier now than it ever was, Greene says, to be aware that your moral obligations don't end where your small group ends. We all saw this very recently, with the global response to the devastation caused by Super Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines. We're just more conscious, in general, of what is happening to people very distant from us. What's more, intergroup violence seems to be on the decline. Here Greene cites the recent work of his Harvard colleague Steven Pinker, who has documented a long-term decline of violence across the world in modern times.

To be more moral, then, Greene believes that we must first grasp the limits of the moral instincts that come naturally to us. That's hard to do, but he thinks it gets collectively easier.

"There's a bigger us that's growing," Greene says. "Wherever you go, there are tribal forces that oppose that larger us. But, the larger us is growing."

from the purveyor of communist propaganda:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/12/inquiring-minds-joshua-greene-moral-tribes


speaking of tribes, it is notable in this context that the more narrowly tribal a group is, the more right wing authoritarian must be its moral principles in order to defend itself against the surrounding evil world
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 13, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
Looks like the UK gov'ts just aren't accepting the idea. At all...

Scottish Power becomes third firm to scrap UK offshore wind farm

Reuters
6 hours ago


LONDON (Reuters) - Scottish Power scrapped plans for a huge offshore wind farm on Friday due to tricky ground and wave conditions and the presence of protected sharks, making it the third utility in two weeks to drop a wind project in British waters.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 13, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
The crash of a marine jet fighter into a San Diego neighborhood after the pilot punched out OVER that neighborhood tells me all I need to know about 102% military BULLSH#T.

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 13, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
AGU now hosting presentations that compare the Mongol hordes to bacteria.

Huh? I missed that.

Last day at the meetings, I'm taking in a couple of cryosphere/satellite seszions.

Two writing assignments to while away the flight home tomorrow.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 13, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
he missed the generalization of precautionary behavior in situations where the consequence of a failure are not acceptable

So now you are going to tell us all the preventative maint on military helo's is akin to contemplating doing the same with earth's climate.

Nice EDH.



Ah, the earth's climate is NOT a machine designed and built by humans.


Maybe we can use that concept for starters EDH. Or just maybe, your EGO is as inflated as is CHILOE's and can not begin to fathom that concept.


Allow me to reiterate my post from up thread. 99.10% of the underlying causes of the six failures I experienced, were due to human incompetency back at the factory and or AIMD.

NOT due to material failure.


Human incompetency.


In other words ED, some dude/s were not paying attention to their work or did not read the maintenance manual correctly.


Now please do tell us how that incompetency equates to humans attempting to claim they can "maintain" the earths climate mechanics.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 13, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Looks like the UK gov'ts just aren't accepting the idea. At all...

    The Chief

Scottish Power becomes third firm to scrap UK offshore wind farm

LONDON (Reuters) - Scottish Power scrapped plans for a huge offshore wind farm on Friday due to tricky ground and wave conditions and the presence of protected sharks.



It looks to me like the UK gov't is accepting the idea wholly that it's difficult to build offshore wind farms due to the conditions on the open sea.

Is that the point you're trying to make? Odd way to put it.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
Doesn't The Chief like to post NOAA charts?

NOAA: Expect 'Widespread, Sustained Changes' in the Arctic





Yes The Chief, look at that hiatus! And then, it goes down!!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
NOT due to material failure.


Human incompetency.


In other words ED, some dude/s were not paying attention to their work or did not read the maintenance manual correctly.

Now please do tell us how that incompetency equates to humans attempting to claim they can "maintain" the earths climate mechanics.


Allow me ... I think it more accurately equates to the incompetency of the unqualified fiddling with the mechanics of a helicopter in complete disregard to the explicit instructions on page one of the maintenance manual:

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL A POSER HELICOPTER GROUPIE BE ALLOWED WITHIN 100 FEET OF A HELICOPTER WHILE IN POSSESSION OF A WRENCH
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
The North Slope of Alaska just had a rainstorm--yes, a rainstorm--during its perpetual darkness season. Yes, it was that warm!!!! As the pressure and temperature gradients wane between the equator and polar regions, the jet stream will become wavier with greater levels of amplitude as theorized by many climate physicists. This will serve to pump more warmth into the high latitudes--yet another unanticipated positive feedback. Check out the Arctic Sea Ice Blog for ongoing info.
    Karl



An interesting comment on, well, the weather.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
And it snowed 6-10" in Jerusalum yesterday KMAN. First time in over 20 plus years.



Damascus got well over 5-8".... I can see that AGW based snow will assuredly entice the Syrian crises to get worse now.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Of interest to dunning krugger fans:

Bertrand Russell said, "the trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, while the intelligent are full of doubt". Recent research in psychology suggests that our confidence often exceeds our competence. Our brains, researchers claim, take shortcuts and jump to conclusions that flatter us. Can we accurately assess what we know, or are we all subject to the fool's dilemma? Author Laura Penny talks to psychologists and writers about new perspectives on the age-old philosophical problem of human ignorance and self-delusion.

http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/episodes/2013/12/12/the-fools-dilemma/


However, suffers of Dunning Krugger syndrome should avoid listening to this at all cost.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
in one ear and out the other
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Unusual weather....


Is there such a thing as usual?
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
Global warming is still a myth, wrapped in a lie, and hung around our necks to enslave us.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
oh.

thanks for the enlightenment dave. We can count on you for that.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Dec 13, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
there may be a very good reason for that drool.

Are you presently located in the southern or northern hemisphere?

I am cold because I am ill! Located mostly in the northen part of the bed. lol

Thanks for the article, Bruce.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
the only people who read articles like that are the bed ridden
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