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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
gee I wonder what operational data means?


Something tells me we should soon expect one of two things:

1) Chuff will suddenly remember he has important wood to chop out in the yard.... should take all night.

2) Chuff will suddenly think of another very important topic for discussion..... one very much unrelated to the current topic.

3) Better yet - Rick Sumner will come charging to the rescue with the final installment of his thesis!!!!
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
Norton, i'll conclude my little reality discussion in my own good time

I am sure Norton will give you some time to figure out your own reality.

Comedy.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
no it is neither obvious or indicative. No one in their right mind could form an opinion either way by reading a few tweets...... but you do. You provide nothing but assertion.

Now as I pointed out, and which you have pointedly ignored in your passive agressive style, assessing and judging the recent behavior of the Chuff is easy. All the particulars of the matter are on prominent display and you do not need any insider information to form an informed opinion.

But forget it. Your butt is hurt and you would rather sulk. It dosn't matter because either way you lose. You engage on an intellectual level and your process of reasoning is revealed to be lacking. You run away like a little girl and your moral integrity is revealed to be lacking.

Either way you demonstrate incompetence. So in terms of strategy your best bet is stoney silence

You do go on...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/12/06/if-all-you-see-972/
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
Sketch to the rescue - you're safe for now chuff.

I just posted a story about one of the new climate darlings.


bullsh#t. You stated that he displayed character deficiencies, but you can't demonstrate it, so as I have said already you have an opinion that is worth nothing.

would you like me to go on?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
gee I wonder what operational data means?


Something tells me we should soon expect one of two things:

1) Chuff will suddenly remember he has important wood to chop out in the yard.... should take all night.

2) Chuff will suddenly think of another very important topic for discussion..... one very much unrelated to the current topic.

3) Better yet - Rick Sumner will come charging to the rescue with the final installment of his thesis!!!!

And your still here attempting to fill us with your bullshet psych babbling.


Brewsky, you are nothing more than a completely lonely elderly has been climber and doing your best to being part of the boys club.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
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Credit: Wade Icey
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 7, 2013 - 08:36am PT
bullsh#t. You stated that he displayed character deficiencies, but you can't demonstrate it, so as I have said already you have an opinion that is worth nothing.

would you like me to go on?

Wow. You just keep playing stupid, along with wishing you were Freud's penis.

I'll keep laughing at your idiocy.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 7, 2013 - 11:56am PT
ok you do that. Whatever makes you feel better. You certainly seem to have gotten over your alleged moral outrage over the use of insults so fire away. However, no matter how satisfying the insults might be, the fact remains that you have yet to refute my observations.

Still, no point in flogging a dead horse. You go ahead and claim your little victory if you like. The main point has been made repeatedly which is:

1) Anthropogenic global warming denial is primarily a right wing political phenomena, not a physical science phenomena.


2) If it is an opinion on physical science that rejects physical science, then it can only be an opinion of magic and mythology. Right wing politics has a long history of precisely this so it is no great revelation, merely a well substantiated fact as Karl Rove so perfectly put it

Reality-based community
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reality-based community is an informal term in the United States. In the fall of 2004, the phrase "proud member of the reality-based community" was first used to suggest the commentator's opinions are based more on observation than on faith, assumption, or ideology. The term has been defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from judicious study of discernible reality." Some commentators have gone as far as to suggest that there is an overarching conflict in society between the reality-based community and the "faith-based community" as a whole. It can be seen as an example of political framing.

The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, The New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove[1]):

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]





McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
A very profound addition to the Climate thread Bruce as we approach 20,000 posts. Thanks for that!
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]

HUBRIS
raymond phule

climber
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:47pm PT

What a stupid bet.

As expected. You don't want to backup what you write.


I remember several times catching you flat out lying and you resorting to textbook sleazeball excuses. The kind of crapola nonsense my girls outgrew by age six.

There's to use in trying to have an honest exchange with a lying sleazeball, like Ray Ray the Fool.

It is obvious that we live in completely different worlds.

We can just start with the following one
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&tn=18740

You where clearly incorrect (in your words you lied*), you did continue to argue you case in many posts and the best you come up with where 1 author that it could be argued that could be included in your statement. 1 person is of course not several.

So we had the lie
the arguing instead of admitting the mistake
and you of course didn't and are never going to admit your mistake.

But really, forget it. I hoped that you could agree on the bet because I find it extremely meaningless to try to discuss anything with you. You never listen to anyone else and you can be obviously wrong about something but you have never said that you made a mistake. You just start to sling insults instead.

I just found it ironic that you seem to really dislike the exact same behavior when you think that someone else has done it when you do it all the time yourself.

*as norton pointed out. Most people don't consider those examples as lies.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Is Dick Freud (aka Bruce Kay) prone to profundity? I think Sketch, with his very recent appraisal, is right on.

Sorry Dick, profound not, sometimes humorous yes.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 7, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
ok you do that. Whatever makes you feel better. You certainly seem to have gotten over your alleged moral outrage over the use of insults so fire away. However, no matter how satisfying the insults might be, the fact remains that you have yet to refute my observations.

Still, no point in flogging a dead horse. You go ahead and claim your little victory if you like. The main point has been made repeatedly which is:

1) Anthropogenic global warming denial is primarily a right wing political phenomena, not a physical science phenomena.

2) If it is an opinion on physical science that rejects physical science, then it can only be an opinion of magic and mythology. Right wing politics has a long history of precisely this so it is no great revelation, merely a well substantiated fact as Karl Rove so perfectly put it

Well, look at you getting all indignant at my responding in kind. Throughout this exchange you've been an antagonistic little cvnt. (Hey Cloe - this is your cue.)

Your observations? Sure thing d#@&%ebag. I explained how Nuccitelli acted like a little punk and you came back with some stupid BS about "discerning someones character from a twitter exchange between professional peers about minutiae that only they are party to". Are you that stupid? Nuccitelli made an accusation, providing a linked Op-Ed to back it up. One of the authors of the piece tweeted "Roger's not referenced, just Muller. We never even thought about Roger's work in putting that together."

It's not complicated. Yet you can't seem to get it.

And about the rest of your blather... Sure. Whatever.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 7, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Isn't it great that sketch has chosen to come here and enlighten us?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 7, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Rick Poedtke packs four falsehoods into one sentence:
Why do post propaganda that is outta date and forecasted a month ago and expires today?
When I point out the maps are not propaganda, not out of date, not forecasts -- that goes over Rick’s head. He doubles down by shouting:
you definitely are blind.
Take a good look at what dates your posted data are "VALID" for. The one below expires tonight at midnight and was published the first week of NOVEMBER.
But no, the NOAA map I posted was published Dec 6, not the first week of NOVEMBER; it was not a forecast and did not "expire." Nor did the dates in its caption say “VALID,” Rick P made that up too. What the words clearly said, in caps, was 30-DAY MEAN FOR: Thu NOV 07 2013 - Fri DEC 06 2013. The map depicted average temperatures from the past 30 days, calculated on December 6. This was not a 30-day forecast published November 7 that I nefariously posted on December 6.

Rick Sumner chortles:
Sorry to see your sorry ass got busted on a month old forecast.
But no, he’s not sorry, just showing that he can’t read the map either. Worse -- unable to comprehend it by himself he just follows Rick P’s lead, because he hears what he wants to believe.

Still more ... there’s a twist. As I said in my first post, those map links are live, so they should update each day with NOAA. Today the graph appearing in my Dec 6 post says 30-DAY MEAN FOR: Fri NOV 08 2013 - Sat DEC 07 2013, and tomorrow it will advance one day more. So long as NOAA keeps updating, which for operational maps they should do every day, these maps (there currently is one in Poedtke’s own post too) will march on through 2014 and beyond, while the two Ricks’ false claims of “outdated” remain frozen in time.

Check it out, watch it change, and see if the legend on this map baffles anyone else.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 7, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
but you have never said that you made a mistake.

This is a lie.

How about we bet on that?

Loser leaves Supertopo permanently.



raymond phule

climber
Dec 7, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
O sh#t, I am surprised that you finally would admit that you where wrong.

edit: So the idiot edited his post... he first admitted that he made a mistake but he changed to whole post. People like Sketch are never wrong. They are just stupid idiots all the time.

Sorry, I am not going to take that bet. Your last edit just show that you are a dishonest liar.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 7, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Note, to self. Always quote posts written by dishonest people like sketch.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 7, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
I should also admit that I made a mistake in one of my posts above. I wasn't clear enough. Sketch I believe that you might have admitted some trivial mistake here on the forum but I believe that you have not admitted a non trivial mistake that you have actually tried to defend in at least one of your posts.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 7, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
I explained how Nuccitelli acted like a little punk


No you did not explain how, you assert that he did. There is a huge difference. In order for you to "explain how" you would have to intimately know the details of the op ed, the various papers cited, the congressional hearing transcripts, then be able to parse the meaning of it all in context to the handful of barely legible tweats between a bunch of quarreling academics. You are recycling the same idiotic assertion that the "climategate scandal " relied on. I'm not saying one is obviously right or the other is, I am saying that you DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS to know the difference any more than the rest of us so your opinion on the matter is useless.

It is a very small matter but it is interesting in that it is representative of exactly the same mind set that Rick Sumners possesses when he spends all his free time plowing through scientific literature. He also is convinced of his understanding, but he cannot explain how he understands, he can only assert that he does and regurgitate jargon for added effect. It is literally impossible for him to explain how because the knowledge and skills required are inaccessible to him. He freely admits this but for some reason he ASSUMES it is irrelevant.

Get it? He assumes. He conveniently takes a giant leap of faith. What better way to get beyond that particular irksome hurdle than to magically wave your wand and presto! - it simply dosn't exist! It is just like that cartoon..... " and then a miracle happens". Ricks miracle is that his self educating miraculously bestows upon him skills and knowledge that greater men can only acquire through more tried and true means.

Similarly, your miracle is that you can discern meaning from a handful of tweats that only the participants or others with a similar intimacy of understanding can even come close to grasping, a rather sellect group which dosn't include you. The reality is that you pick sides. That is how you determine your truth. Neither you or Rick have a choice in the matter because the ability to discern is not accessible to you. If you cannot observe, you cannot form an opinion, you can only have no opinion at all or place faith in the opinion of others.

To which I say welcome to the club. I can't tell from a handful of tweats either but nor do I pretend to. One thing is for sure, I save my cuntish antagonisms for those who do.

Now I may be wrong. Maybe for some reason you have neglected to reveal your intimate knowledge of "tweatgate" but if so you can demonstrate it, not assert it.
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