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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 09:28pm PT
Da Chief
You bet I know. I maintain my own California 1000cc motorcycle with 68K miles on it. You probably think I'm an idiot for keeping the engine completely stock. The plugs and carbs remain perfectly clean. The plug electrodes erode before there's any significant deposit on the plugs.

I also keep careful records on all my vehicles.
All of my recent cars have gone well over 100K miles. Two of them over 250K. One of them pushing 200K and one pushing 120K. The two newer ones have current CA emission controls.
All these engines run as well today, with exactly the same gas mileage, as when they were new. The plugs stay clean.

Perhaps you forget that in California, all auto/light truck vehicles have a 3 year/50K mile emission system warranty.
My two newer vehicles are PZEV and covered to 150K miles.
So they will certainly run 150K without emission problems.

But hey, what do I know?



The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
The plugs and carbs remain perfectly clean

What year? Make?

KZ1000?? Beemer K100?? Pre DSFI 1000RR?

If you got "operating" carbs, you do not have an ECM nor EFI. No carbs with EFI. EFI = Throttle Body w/FI's and all them other electronic operating goodies. No CA Emission Pkg other than a fuel tank over flow return line into the charcoal can. Breather return line back into the airbox with flat out carb system would create havoc keeping up with the consistent proper F/A mixture of 14.1 ratio that is req'd by CA Law without a constant control/monitoring system. Thus EFI and the ECU/ECM.




Whole different ball game.... Carb's. No ECM's, IAT's, TPS's, ICU's, FI's, Lamboda's/02 Sens etc.



You do your own remapping on the ECU/ECM's on your cars?
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 9, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
yes the Chef, I am in love with Fort Mental... *rolls eyes*

and fyi, I passed my AIDS test. I got 65.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
Short day today huh ED? With the five or so hours remaining, you should easily catch up and over take my posting #s today.


Well High Traverse, whattya riding???
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
Chief....Go out on 120 between Benton and Mono Lake on one of your rockets and check out the chem trails...You'll have the place to yourself.....You little sh#t...
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
Check out the chem trails....what?

RJ, you know better than that... I make chem trails with my rigs.

Remember the one I created last Fall when I blew by ya on 6 some eight miles north of B-town at 140ish and the vortex I created almost put you and your yabadabadooo red mobile into the ditch.


Cmon RJ!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
Chief...Chem trails...? I saw you and picked up the package...Anybody see you..? I was tweakin hard...Went home and rubbed the paint off the Honda....rj
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:28pm PT
Well Chief, you're not entirely correct. At least on my 2001 motorcycle. The poor underpowered carburetted engine only makes 145 hp/liter. And that's showroom stock without jetting and exhaust mods. (If I thought I had any place to drive a crossplane crank R1 at anywhere near its potential, I'd have bought one).

No CA Emission Pkg other than a fuel tank over flow return line into the charcoal can.
Got the tank return line and charcoal can.

Breather return line back into the airbox with flat out carb system would create havoc
Got that too, but without the havoc. If the engine is properly tuned and not burning oil, the breather return doesn't create havoc.
I've actually got 4 breather return lines back to the airbox. One per cylinder. They are a monumental Pain In The Arse to remove to do the valve clearances (can you guess which engine has 20 valves?). But they are also clean, just a very slight interior oil film at 62K miles. The air cleaner fouls with dust long before it accumulates any noticeable oil.

Precisely because
keeping up with the consistent proper F/A mixture of 14.1 ratio that is req'd by CA Law without a constant control/monitoring system.

My non EFI engine has an ECU/ECM.

But you are correct that I don't have EFI.....on my motorcycle. Just on my two current autos where everything works fine. As stated previously.

So please save your "modern engine fuel and pollution control systems f**ck up your engine" crap for someone else. Before these systems, you were lucky to get 100K out of an engine. Now you're pissed off if you don't get over 150K miles. With a lot better fuel economy and lower CO2 and other poisonous emissions.
The only conceivable drawback is the engines cost a lot more. But you save $ on fuel and the engine lasts longer. So where's the disadvantage?
I mean besides the Dammed Socialist Commie government is interfering in Godly Free Enterprise again? Didn't the swaggering hero Schwarzenneger bring in California's tighter emission controls? One of the surprising things he got right.

Perhaps you're having trouble with your engines because you've modified them?

End of rant and goodnight.

and my Engineer's work is also never finished
sayonara

140ish??
Meh. I've gotten get that in 5th with another gear to go......except of course for the blind curves, other vehicles, jackalopes and coyotes.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:29pm PT

what happened?


I thought the chief said he was through posting on this thread last week

what brought you back?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
Well Chief, you're not entirely correct. At least on my 2001 motorcycle. The poor underpowered carburetted engine only makes 145 hp/liter. And that's showroom stock without jetting and exhaust mods.

2001 carburatted CA bike?

HUH??

Impossible!

What ya got.


And if true, you have absolutely NO CA Emissions crap on it other than a fuel tank over flow return line into the can and NO Breather Return line to the airbox.


HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:34pm PT
Clues
My bike was produced from 2001 from 2005. The engine was from the manufacturer's previous model super bike with different cam and gear ratios.
It has 20 valves.
And 4 carburetors.

Sweet dreams.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:45pm PT
Come now Dr. Hartouni, do you really think that i and other readers of this thread are so naive as to believe that this backwater forum is the only place that you attempt to influence with your defense of climate science. You publish, review, attend conferences and conventions, advise, and probably post on many professional blogs. To a regime intoxicated with the control and revenues to be gained by imposition of the agenda of CO2 scientology ,your silence in support would be deafening. Just for a fun experiment i don't suppose you would come out in opposition of CAGW on this backwater forum, would you?

There is an article headlined at Judith Curry's Climate etc. tonight called The fundamental uncertainties of climate change. Reading it would only take away a few minutes from your hard work. It touches upon our waterfall discussion ( Leonardo's picture) among other problems. Care to challenge it's veracity?

EDIT: read Andy P.'s comment
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 10:51pm PT
FZ1 HT.


Manu'd after the original Carb'd R1 PP Platform which is now EFI'd.


If so, you have no knowledge about anything I posted regarding the EFI based CA Emissions i.e. Breather Return Line into the Airbox, EFI, FI's, IAT, ICU, ECM etc etc. But you do have a variable TPS that you can reset manually.

And just the Fuel Tank Overflow into the can set up.

This per the Yamaha Spec data along with Cycle Worlds Ride/Dyno review.






The poor underpowered carburetted engine only makes 145 hp/liter

I call bullshet on the 145HP claim!

CW did a full on dyno and came up with 125 MAX HP @9500.

On the CW dyno, it managed an impressive 125 hp at 9800 rpm and screamed down the quarter-mile at 10.62 seconds and 130 mph.
http://www.cycleworld.com/2010/09/10/yamaha-fz1-best-used-bikes/


The 2013 puts out 148 @ 9500 on CW's dyno run btw.



And your MPG sucks at an avg of 30-35. WTF????

All my V-Twins blast your rig on MPG. More so now that I gutted out all the CA Emissions crap.


My HD 883 gets better than that at 40-45 at a modest 70-75 mph click.

My 99 Duc SS gets 50-60mpg at 75-80 mph(4600-4800)

My Buell gets the same as the DUC at the same speed but at a lower RPM and puts out a modest 138bhp@6900 with a top speed so far at just over 150. Had it dyno'd down at ASB in Vista last Aug.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 9, 2014 - 11:24pm PT

All my V-Twins blast your rig on MPG. More so now that I gutted out all the CA Emissions crap.


shame on you
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 11:29pm PT
CA as well as Inyo/Mono County Motorcycle Emission regs dictate I can after the 7500 mile mark.

No shame.

Just more haul ass HP and up to 20% better mpg's across the board.


The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 11:52pm PT
Even suggesting that you may be apart of it EDH raises a big ass red flag.


Seeing as you are gainfully employed by the DOE.


The current Fed Budget Crunch crises is on. EVERY Fed Agency is doing all they can to keep the money rolling in.

Obvious what "The Rest of the Story" is with your employer.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 10, 2014 - 12:09am PT
Conspiracy no, politics yes, intoxication with thoughts of power and plunder. Standard stuff Ed, but the infection festering in science is worse than any ever before visited on the hallowed institution. So i take it you won't post against AGW even here on this obscure forum. I need to add another category to those in support of CO2 scientology-the coerced.

Did you read the article i mentioned?

http://judithcurry.com/2014/01/08/the-fundamental-uncertainties-of-climate-change/#more-14305

crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 10, 2014 - 12:23am PT
The current Fed Budget Crunch crises is on

ya got that right. Crunch's Overfed Crisis is on, for sure.

I'm trying though. Waddled to the gym today. Wheezed my way up a few simple boulder problems. Another month I'll be in halfway decent shape.....
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 10, 2014 - 12:27am PT
Fair enough Crunch.


But the wheezing part... no go. Above and beyond your personal C02 emission allowance.


Now, hold your breath for 30 Minutes to compensate for that infraction... starting NOW!


You're still in that game with all 8 cylinders.

Beats the Yabadabadoo foot pedal power you been exhibiting since day one BRUCEEEEE BOY!
TLP

climber
Jan 10, 2014 - 12:46am PT
Rick, I read the link you recommend, and it is resoundingly devoid of practically any real technical content. The only point the writer made is that the models use too coarse of a grid of points to accurately simulate climate, and that because of this, incorrect conclusions may be drawn. He presents no analysis at all, zip, of how small scale bits in between the grid points throws the whole entire overall model off; nor of how his imaginary small eddies in the ocean somehow coalesce into something so large scale that the entire modeling result for the whole globe is wrong. It is pretty much just BS. And besides there's some twice as much text about the financial and status motivations of climate scientists as there is about the imaginary uncertainties. No wonder there's such lack of respect for the skepticism.

It's true that our understanding of the spatially and temporally large scale fluctuations in the oceans is not very good at all. But we have empirical information about their patterns, even though we don't understand those patterns causally (or for that matter even correlatively). They are not just totally random and unconfined in magnitude. So, it is feasible and reasonable to factor those known patterns into models and analysis of past data, much like noise canceling headphones work. And when you do this with the oceans and solar fluctuations, there's still a residual. If there were any data and cohesive theory that maybe it's fluctuations in heat emanating from the earth's core or something, somebody ought to run with that. But there just isn't any data or plausible theory, so we're left with the atmosphere.
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