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FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 17, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
at an average rate of 1.723 post per hour today, and the usual nighty night time for The Chief of around midnight... I'd say we have at a minimum 5 more posts.

However, his instantaneous post rate right now is up around 6.8 post per hour, which might bring as many as 17 more posts by the time he retires...

Starting around 6am and going to midnight, a constant stream of posts, I'm impressed (but not favorably).

35 to 50 posts in a day, all day...

Yeah but he's at work right now...guiding, I think.

17 more posts? That's at least 3 more things to be utterly and completely wrong about. I'll leave them blank for now. I'm hitting the sack.

Wrong on German Solar Energy
Wrong on Atlantic overfishing
Wrong on Arctic Ice Volume
Wrong on Soylent Green
Wrong on CCT book Funding
Wrong on 3rd Pillar of Dana
Wrong on Time Magazine Cover
Wrong on Modeled Temp Trends
Wrong on Area vs. Volume
Wrong on Mann at U-Penn
Wrong on Own Energy Use
Wrong on Labs Getting Shut Down
Wrong on G20 Protestors
Wrong on FortMental
Wrong on Antarctic Snow Mass Balance
Wrong on ..........
Wrong on ..........
Wrong on ..........
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 17, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
The truth and reality about German Solar.


But like everything in regards to this MMGW issue, you FORTMENTAL and the rest will do all you can to deflect the reality.


Using solar, Germany is paying about $1,000 per ton of CO2 reduced. The current CO2 price in Europe is $8. Germany could have cut 131 times as much CO2 for the same price. Instead, the Germans are wasting more than 99 cents of every euro that they plow into solar panels.

It gets worse: Because Germany is part of the European Union Emissions Trading System, the actual effect of extra solar panels in Germany leads to no CO2 reductions, because total emissions are already capped. Instead, the Germans simply allow other parts of the EU to emit more CO2. Germany’s solar panels have only made it cheaper for Portugal or Greece to use coal.

Defenders of Germany’s solar subsidies also claim that they have helped to create “green jobs.” But each job created by green-energy policies costs an average of $175,000—considerably more than job creation elsewhere in the economy, such as infrastructure or health care. And many “green jobs” are being exported to China, meaning that Europeans subsidize Chinese jobs, with no CO2 reductions.

Germany’s experiment with subsidizing inefficient solar technology has failed. What governments should do instead is to focus first on increasing research and development to make green-energy technology cheaper and more competitive. Production should be ramped up later.

In the meantime, Germans have paid about $130 billion for a climate-change policy that has no impact on global warming. They have subsidized Chinese jobs and other European countries’ reliance on dirty energy sources. And they have needlessly burdened their economy. As even many German officials would probably attest, governments elsewhere cannot afford to repeat the same mistake.
Bjørn Lomborg, Adjunct professor at the Copenhagen Business School and directs the Copenhagen Consensus Center


Unfortunately, this “success story” comes at a high cost in German taxpayer subsidies and German consumer electric prices, with negligible benefits in terms of global warming mitigation. Lynas continues:

My conclusion so far is that unfortunately Germany’s ‘renewables revolution’ is at best making no difference to the country’s carbon emissions, and at worst pushing them marginally upwards. Thus, tens (or even hundreds, depending on who you believe) of billions of euros are being spent on expensive solar PV and wind installations for no climatic benefit whatsoever.

The German story must be viewed in the context of the global collapse of the subsidized solar energy bubble. The whole thing was built on politically unsustainable subsidies from beginning to end. On the demand-side, feed-in tariffs in Germany and other European countries as well as the United States, along with tax breaks or in some cases other subsidies to homeowners who purchased solar PV installations, artificially inflated the demand for solar panels, which resulted in higher utility bills for rate payers and money channeled from taxpayers indirectly to manufacturers — many of them in China. On the supply-side, China, using its tried-and-true mercantilist industrial policies for boosting targeted industries, rapidly ramped up its production of solar panels, driving many German and American manufacturers out of business.
http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/voices/michael-lind/the-solar-energy-bubble-bursts/
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 17, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Like it really matters the number of Canadian as#@&%es that did this Brewsky.

Uh, actually numbers do matter Chuff and studies have shown that when smoothed and averaged there are far less as#@&%es per capita in Canada than Dry Wash California.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 17, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Of course it matters how you get there Bruce. The ends justify the means in only rare circumstances such as this battle with an unscrupulous opponent ideology that if allowed to win would set us all on a disastrous course into an unneeded dark age. I'll tell you this; defeat of this ideology that turns all convention on its head, that convinces its minions that down is up and white is black would endear its victor to no one. Rather, they would be viewed as azzholes while the issue and its creators gently fade into oblivion. It is dirty work, but somebody has to do it.
That's the serious take on it, others could view it as just the great game.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 17, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Holy shet..

Now EDH is keeping track of my posting.



Damn.








Now that is funny. Tooo fking funny.



Rick S has it down pat.

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 17, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Watching for this day only, The Chief, I am amazed at your doggedness... and apparent lack of anything else to do.

As you type and post away on this thread, EDH.









And this is all happening while you science tards spend 100's of Millions of dollars on researching MMGW. Nice.

I truly do not think any of the 30 Million people in this sad situation spend one second of their lives thinking about MMGW. Not one.



Thirty million people are slaves, half in India: survey


Reuters By Timothy Large

LONDON, Oct 17 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Some 30 million people are enslaved worldwide, trafficked into brothels, forced into manual labour, victims of debt bondage or even born into servitude, a global index on modern slavery showed on Thursday.

Almost half are in India, where slavery ranges from bonded labour in quarries and kilns to commercial sex exploitation, although the scourge exists in all 162 countries surveyed by Walk Free, an Australian-based rights group.

Its estimate of 29.8 million slaves worldwide is higher than other attempts to quantify modern slavery. The International Labour Organisation estimates that almost 21 million people are victims of forced labour.

"Today some people are still being born into hereditary slavery, a staggering but harsh reality, particularly in parts of West Africa and South Asia," the report said.
http://news.yahoo.com/thirty-million-people-slaves-half-india-survey-062719818.html
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 17, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Of course it matters how you get there Bruce. The ends justify the means in only rare circumstances such as this battle with an unscrupulous opponent ideology....


An unscrupulous ideologue? Who.... ME? So let me get this straight - under conditions of certainty, in this case the firm and unassailable understanding that I am an unscrupulous ideologue, then the process or path of defeating this adversary requires no control or guidelines for any purpose other than the ends.

You really don't sound like a terribly principled individual. A bit of a moral relativist arn't you? Wouldn't Sarah be a little upset at this? Or are those her standards too - under conditions of absolute certainty, its anything goes?

So..... before we chose weapons and all that, is there any little degree of uncertainty in your mind or do we really have to fight to the death now?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 17, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
So Big Bad Oil appears to be the ones that may just save the day. All the while you CC science tards spend 100's of millions of dollars to remain in the problem.

They on the other hand are coming up with viable solutions.



Oh the irony.

The problem with being a more green society is that it costs more than our current fossil fuel-based approach. That could be about to change as new breakthroughs in science and technology are turning carbon dioxide emissions into something that can be utilized to fuel an economic benefit.

The most recent breakthrough in chemistry has found a way to convert carbon dioxide into methanol, which is a simple alcohol that can be used as a transportation fuel among other uses. This new method would use captured carbon to create a fuel that would cost less than gasoline. Further, it could replace the current costly approach, where this captured greenhouse gas is injected into the ground to sequester it by utilizing it to fuel our economy.

Methanol is a high-performing fuel with an octane rating of 100. The original methanol-to-gasoline process was developed by ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM ) in the 1970s during the oil crisis. At one point automakers were even developing flex-fuel vehicles capable of running on methanol. Not only that, but it was long favored by the racing industry, fueling the Indianapolis 500 for decades. Overall, it's much cheaper per mile than gasoline or ethanol. Further, unlike ethanol, it wouldn't cut into the corn supply needed for food production.

Methanol has a variety of uses such as in the production of formaldehyde, acetic acid, and other chemicals. Unfortunately, we don't produce a whole lot of it in the U.S. and are therefore required to import about 89% of our supply. Overall, the U.S. represents 10% of the global methanol market, which is growing about 7% per year, meaning there's a lot of opportunity for American companies to increase production.

Refining giant Valero (NYSE: VLO ) is planning to do just that. The only difference is that it plans to upgrade natural gas into methanol, which is a much more proven approach. Not only would Valero's planned construction of a world-scale methanol plant help meet growing U.S. demand, but its products could serve the growing export market, with Asia an especially strong market for methanol. Valero has expansive export capacity already as it's a leader in exporting gasoline and diesel.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/17/could-this-greenhouse-gas-one-day-fuel-your-car.aspx


This is tooooooooooo funny. The monster Big Oil may in fact be the savior in all this.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 17, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
not once every 35 minutes on average, The Chief, not starting at 6am and going to midnight...

0520 till around 2030-2300.


Get your times right.

Hey, wait, wtf is this... this was just, last night.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Oct 17, 2013 - 12:15am PT
when I read the thread title and OP I had the same thoughts as Mike Bolte... he's a professional astronomer... I'm just a physicist...


And three nights ago...

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Oct 14, 2013 - 12:14am PT
the Cook et al. paper was cited by Chiloe on this response up thread

And...

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Oct 12, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
that was a great game...



And what about all them DAY TIME posts that are most certainly being done on THE CLOCK! The TAX PAYERS clock EDH!!

Both you and FORTMUNSTER.
MisterE

climber
Oct 17, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
I just don't know, Man....has anybody said that yet?

I just kind of skimmed the close to 1800 posts...
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 17, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
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Oct 17, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Of course it matters how you get there Bruce. The ends justify the means in only rare circumstances such as this battle with an unscrupulous opponent ideology that if allowed to win would set us all on a disastrous course into an unneeded dark age. I'll tell you this; defeat of this ideology that turns all convention on its head, that convinces its minions that down is up and white is black would endear its victor to no one. Rather, they would be viewed as azzholes while the issue and its creators gently fade into oblivion. It is dirty work, but somebody has to do it.
That's the serious take on it, others could view it as just the great game.

Possible functional schizophrenia with paranoid delusions ..


I would actually like to include you in a study
Would you mind ?

There won't be any judgement .
I would just like you to answer about 50 questions .

Mostly on your opinions and how and when they developed.

You could possibly be the subject of a Capstone research paper .

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 17, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
Hey EDH, you start around 0900 and run past midnight. Regularly.


WTF!!!









And so on....





Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Oct 17, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
and you know what days I work and when I work?

that's creepy The Chief... how'd you learn all that about me? are you stalking me dude?!

that's an ugly thought



All after this

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA

Oct 17, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
at an average rate of 1.723 post per hour today, and the usual nighty night time for The Chief of around midnight... I'd say we have at a minimum 5 more posts.

However, his instantaneous post rate right now is up around 6.8 post per hour, which might bring as many as 17 more posts by the time he retires...

Starting around 6am and going to midnight, a constant stream of posts, I'm impressed (but not favorably).

35 to 50 posts in a day, all day...


That kettle is smoking hot and black.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 17, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
Riley - the last time somebody told him "just a few harmless questions..." they wrote a book about him, and it didn't turn out too favorable so he might be a little gun shy...

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf


Then Bob Altemeyer did an interesting little test to see how the world might turn out if a room full of Chuffs, Rick, Ron TGT, Barhatta, Cornhole Chomper, Allen west etc. actually got to run the show. Its not encouraging so frankly we really shouldn't humor them too much:

What Happens When Authoritarians Inherit
the Earth? A Simulation

Bob Altemeyer∗
University of Manitoba

Two runs of a futuristic simulation involving introductory psychology students
were held on successive nights. On one night, “Earth” was populated entirely
by right-wing authoritarian followers; on the second night, a small number of
dominating authoritarians were included among a second group of authoritarian
followers. With a few notable exceptions (e.g., nuclear war did not break out),
the future evolved as anticipated on the two evenings. In general, authoritarians
produced dismal futures, beset by unemployment, famine, and disease.



http://www.overcominghateportal.org/uploads/5/4/1/5/5415260/when_rwa_inherit_the_earth.pdf

raymond phule

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 12:19am PT

Is the god of global warming dead or at least dying? Below are a couple of links to articles and viewpoints that are making there way through mainstream publications into the collective psyche. Enjoy!

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9057151/carry-on-warming/

http://thegwpf.org/peter-glover-dismantling

I see that rick have read his favorite blogs and parroted the information he found.

I really cant understand how people that claim that most everyone else are brainwashed by a conspiracy don't see the irony that they get all they "know" from blogs with a clear agenda.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Oct 18, 2013 - 01:08am PT
. Riley - the last time somebody told him "just a few harmless questions..." they wrote a book about him, and it didn't turn out too favorable so he might be a little gun shy...

I'm very curious how these beliefs develop. Is it temporary, learned or truly a mental disease?
It's obviously delusion but in many areas we are finding delusion to be much more common than ever considered before. There are all kinds of social implications here from undiagnosed and poorly understood mental disorders, to brain washing that is used to affect the beliefs of entire nations. I'm fascinated by what occurred in the 1920s and 30s of Nazi Germany. How some folks obviously were able to see what was occurring yet huge percentages of the population justified and accepted the most horrific actions. A guy can see these same issues all through history when societies attempt to make difficult decisions or disseminate new realities.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 01:14am PT
Kahneman's "Thinking fast and slow" explains some of the mechanisms involved and is an interesting read. I am not sure though have well it explains the extreme cases that we see here.

http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374533555
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 18, 2013 - 04:24am PT
If you're following consensus you're following consensus no matter how you guild it.

There are very few leaders, in this thread nor in the world.

DMT
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Oct 18, 2013 - 05:34am PT
sheesh, when your born into this world, you get a ticket to the freak show,
when your born in America, you get a front row seat,

back to the topic>

"i look around, and i don't see a way out for this species,
to me, using technology to fix the mess made by technology is what we are planning to do. and it does not seem to fit for me,
i just see this thing as some of these problems that exist as not really having, certainly not easy solutions, and it's always a bandaid,
and it seems that a lot of the things we do with the best of intentions, and especially when we get to this field of engineering, and tampering with the physical world, they seem to create more problems than they fix,
i look at it and i think, wow! i hope i live long enough to watch it all collapse, just for the fun of it, but i'm really kind of glad that i'm closer to death than birth, because presumably, there could be some really ugly cataclysmic event,
i once said that if the world blows up, i hope it happens east of me, that way i can watch it on CNN before the prevailing winds bring it back around to me,"

George Carlin
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Oct 18, 2013 - 06:22am PT
We need more values-based technology.

Chuff got his wings last night as Ed trolled him to 6 more posts, HAAAAA!

Headed out for that climbing trip now. Yee Haw!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 18, 2013 - 07:31am PT
You, Bruce, an unscrupulous ideologue? Don't you remember, that presented convincing evidence, you're ready to jump ship at a moments notice? You were here at the beginning, i'd wager you will still be here at the end, bobbing, weaving, and jabbing away with questions of motive and psychology designed to denigrate and marginalize. To bad you don't have a positive vision.

The problem with this little uptopian ideology that created CAGW as the primary vehicle of choice to propel it's cause is that it doesn't provide advancement at all but rather retreat and admission of defeat by the challenges of the frontiers that lie ahead. It's path can only lead to withering of the human spirit, stagnation, and self enslavement by surrender of all individual ambition to an all controlling, totalitarian, governance regime. In short anything but the Utopia. What humanity needs is a common vision that embraces the challenges of frontiers ahead and the will to stay the course. If people could unite behind this kind of philosophy, then the little problems of today, that many of you obsess about, would fade into insignificance. Is this a utopian vision unattainable in the real world of Chuffian Darwinism, probably, but it still is a whole lot more uplifting than rapping off in defeat.
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