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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:15am PT
But Rick, this is the modern day gospel from the God's of Scientism that we must all succumb to and bow down to. Immediately. Or it will be the end of us all.

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:18am PT
How does that relate to the Power Grid and Petroluem


It dosn't you ignoramous, but then I'd never expect you to listen to the audio which if you did listen to it and you possessed an intellect capable of following anything other than Mel gibson movies, you'd get my drift the first time which never once mentioned power grids or petroleum.

But then werner would also get that I wasn't talking about loin cloths either.

So forget it
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:22am PT
Yes, of course Chief, sometimes i forget we should never question what Bagdad Ed, Larry, Moe , and Curly have to say on this most somber subject.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:27am PT
Bruce, that Ayn Rand disciple was an ignoramus at best, the criminal of the century at worst, between is nothing i ever saw as admirable.


Same goes for you Rick. Thick as a post. Wether you thought he was a saint or Satan isn't the point.

But then, you generally do have a bit of trouble seeing beyond your certainty don't you?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:29am PT
Right here EDH:



The bill also contains vast amounts of funding for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), intended for repairs and upgrades of its facilities and equipment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Sandy_relief_bill

On January 29, 2013, the Disaster Relief Appropriations Act, 2013, a $50.7 billion package of disaster assistance largely focused on responding to Hurricane Sandy, was enacted as P.L. 113-2.



CRS5

DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE
National Oceanographic and Atmospheric
Administration Operations, Research and Facilities $373 Million
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42869.pdf CRS5




Brewasky
It dosn't you ignoramous, but then I'd never expect you to listen to the audio which if you did listen to it

Don't need to. I got and read his book last month which of course your story telling radio show is based on...








BTW Brewsaky, you should study up on the real William Wallace. You most assuredly would consider him a total disaster of a leader of a people that wanted nothing more than to be free from the tyranny and violent rule of the English Throne.

How absurd of an idea huh Brewasky? Probably why your money still has the Queen and Her Coat of Arms on it.




Niiiiiice.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:45am PT
Bruce, you should be glad we are here to entertain, ignore, and dismiss your "points". I imagine you'd be a lonely fellow if you didn't have the likes of us to laugh with and at you.

Signing off for awhile. Not taking a computer on my southwest tour starting tomorrow.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:52am PT
Great. You should find the audio particularly pertinent and interesting then.

The significance of it in regard to this thread is his thoughts on ideology and fact. Regardless of what you think of his influence to date, I think it is interesting that he could so willingly change ideology based on his best understanding of reality. As far as I can tell he is the antithesis of an ideologue. Unlike so many others in his game, with the financial crisis he instantly recognized a fatal flaw in his economic theory and he has spent the past few years changing his theory to best reflect reality. The others double down on their belief structure regardless of fact.

What do you think about it? you've obviously read into it so you must have an opinion. I assumed you'd hate the guy and his attitude because I generally think you're an idiot ideologue unable to comprehend anything but Mel Gibson ficks but hey what do I know



Rick - Imagine all you like. I myself would imagine that is precisely how you dream up pretty much everything you consider as fact such as your certainty of the world wide conspiracy of scientism. Alex Jones is pretty good at Imagining too, in fact good enough to make a living at it...

Anyway, when either you or alex jones comes up with anything that can be substantiated by anything other than your imaginations get back to us. You know - when the facts change we will change.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 30, 2013 - 02:31am PT
here. Just in case you're still a little too thick to understand what i'm saying, look at this;



When was the last time you ever saw anyone aknowledge with total candor and humility that their entire lifes work and beliefs were demonstrated as flawed? Think about it - most anyone else in his position would say anything but that with the sole purpose of protecting their ass .his loyalty one might surmise, is to the truth not ideology and he is willing to abandon key elements of his ideology if the facts indicate such.

I would bet a few bucks that he would think that a 97% expert consensus is a damn sight more valuable and representative of fact than any imaginations of a retired bilge pump operator, a siding installer, a taxidermist or any other Alex Jones clone.

Just an intuitive hunch
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 30, 2013 - 07:40am PT
Yep smoking crack,so I can think on your level,CHEF.

I called you on our part of mitigation,and our demand that the gov.will take care of this,you are wrong.

As for not being COMPLETELY carbon neutral,you are RIGHT.A couple of trucks is all that stands between that.

That Ducati Diesel looks to be awesome,and as far as finding Biodiesel there is a map for that on google ,it is more prevelant than you may believe.Look it up .

If you would like biodiesel to be more readily available,lets see if it would ever be subsidized.[yeah that might happen]

Part of my buisness is mitigation,installing solar.

You are FOS.






Ed ,glad you set everybody straight about funding,another thing I have contended all along.thanks.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:30am PT
After all of this talk and citing this and that, what is the general consensus per global warming?

Knowing none of the science whatsoever, I have still thought it queer that anyone should think we can dump a gazillion tons of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere daily and not suffer some fallout.

JL

I'm not sure who believes all our pollution has zero impact.

One issue I have with the discussion is what's "the consensus" on how much warming has been caused by man. Some? Half? Most? Nearly all?

I asked for the consensus on the level of anthropogenic forcings.

Ed Hartouni responded by essentially saying it's a factor. I'd say that's a position most skeptics would support. It's a far cry from “Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: Climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.”
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:49am PT
Good morning, Rick Poedtke.
The fact that all Electrical Power/Energy in the U.S. comes from Privately owned Power Sources and Grids. As well as all the fuel stations that the American people pump petrol into their vehicles.

Do a google for 'rural electrification program'. It's interesting.
Here's one hit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Utilities_Service
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:59am PT
Don't have to GARY. We have our own right here in my community. It is PRIVATELY OWNED and OPERATED. As is our water. We PRIVATELY OWN IT as a CO-OP.


Just another complete Socialistic hypocrite Gary.


How's that So Cal EDISON working for ya Gary? You know, the PRIVATELY owned and Operated POWER CO that delivers the power to your home.


Did you actually read what you cited??

RUS just INSTALLED the GRID bitd. It did not power nor operate it. It no longer exists in that capacity.

Modern day RUS only authorizes Fed Grants for rural broadband implementations. Just like the one that is currently going on here locally... "Digital 395" (http://www.digital395.com/awarded_contracts.html);. Work is being done by a Private Contractors and Service Providers, who will subsequently oversee and manage the infrastructure and delivery services of it all.



What a moron you truly are GARY.


EDH
no funding for climate research in the Hurricane Sandy bill

"NOAA: Operations & Research"
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42869.pdf CRS5

Semantic verbiage word playing Ed. You know it. Just like you do not work for the DOE "contracted" National entity that care takes the countries WMD arsenal.

Got it.



Brewasky....


HARRY WAXMAN!! Are you fking kidding me.



Ironically, that exact same "apology" by Greenspan will be mimic'd by your Senior AGW Croanies in 15 years when the temperatures stabilize then begins to drop and the CAGW/IPCC Ideology completely collapses. The Financial Market STATISTICAL MODELLING in this case was.... Wrong!

Got it.


Old Alan, like Gore and the rest of the current day high rolling Carbon Traders, took the ball and ran with it.... all the way to the bank.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:45am PT
What a moron you truly are GARY.

Good morning, to you, Rick Poedtke. Just thought you might find it an interesting subject. Sorry to have bothered you.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:48am PT
Ed Hartouni responded by essentially saying it's a factor. I'd say that's a position most skeptics would support.

None of the skeptics on this board support it. Step 1 of the 3-step shuffle. Deny deny deny.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Most all of the big dam projects out west were produced with public money that was never paid back. The electrification and irrigation of the west was funded in large part with eastern tax money.

You know, that tough western git-r-dun attitude (with someone else's money, lol lol lol)

Same as it ever was.

(same as it ever was)

Its like saying climate control science is bogus and then demanding and using and accepting as valid the answers from climate control scientists. It makes me lol.

Ed what % of the warming component comes from humans bwahahahahahahaha!

DMT
Cragar

Trad climber
MSLA - MT
Oct 30, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Thanks DMT.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Brewasky....


HARRY WAXMAN!! Are you fking kidding me.

No the video is not about Harry Waxman. Very good guess Chuff, But only if your guessing is completely reliant on knee jerk prejudicial judgement cued by a single image. Otherwise it is a terrible guess. Are you sure you read Greenspans book? My intuitive sense is telling me your a liar on that one. You may have flipped every page over but if read also means comprehend then You endlessly demonstrate that you can't read so I really doubt you read anything.

This is where you become a joke. It is not a crime to not comprehend. The crime is to not even bother trying. you could care less about comprehension and to your credit your at least not shy to demonstrate it without any attempt at deception, which is a damn sight more than Sumners can say. He can't comprehend either but in his world every day is Halloween and he loves to pretend.

At least Sketch is trying. He wants to comprehend the real meaning of the purported 97% consensus. It is a completely worthy goal on two counts:

1) It recognizes the value of the expert consensus - versus the worthlessness of the non expert.

2) Which means whatever the expert consensus is determined to be, that is the fact that is actionable.

So Sketch, if you trust the institutional science as you imply, why do you doubt how the institutional experts explain it?

Or do you in fact not trust them, in which case why invest so much in determining what their consensus is?

Sumners dosn't trust them either. In fact he thinks they are part of the Illuminati / scientism / communism trifecta of evil hell bent on destroying America. He has yet to produce actual evidence to support his theory but his finely tuned intuition - and enthusiasm - more than compensates for that little detail. Anyway, Rick dosn't need no stinking consensus. Why do you need one?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:01am PT
In other words DMT, PRIVATE money and PRIVATE entities BITD.


Ah, the Free Market way.


Hey Brewaswky,

I watched it.

Thus my post....

Ironically, that exact same "apology" by Greenspan will be mimic'd by your Senior AGW Croanies in 15 years when the temperatures stabilize then begins to drop and the CAGW/IPCC Ideology completely collapses. The Financial Market STATISTICAL MODELLING in this case was.... Wrong!



Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:14am PT
^^^^^^^^^

uh, no once again. Greenspans error was not in modeling but in trusting his understanding of human herding behavior to intuition and making no attempt to validate his intuition. He states that the error was not modeling but ignoring critical factors as vital to the model inputs.

Does he say there is a better method for predicting than modeling?

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting.... your not interested in comprehension. Forget it.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 30, 2013 - 11:19am PT
None of the skeptics on this board support it. Step 1 of the 3-step shuffle. Deny deny deny.

DMT

I guess that means I'm not a skeptic.

Now, I'll be able to sleep at night.
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