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Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
The irony, how many times have you done exactly that in this thread?

Oh look. Another one of Ray Ray's hollow accusations.

After all....

Friday does end with a y.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:58pm PT

Another one of Ray Ray's hollow accusations.

Haha, hollow accusations? Why don't we make a bet? I go back and find one of the many times that you have done this and you apologize to me and stop posting to the forum. If I can't do that I apologize to you and stop posting to the forum. Do you take the bet?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
It's obvious to anyone who read the exchange

no it is neither obvious or indicative. No one in their right mind could form an opinion either way by reading a few tweets...... but you do. You provide nothing but assertion.

Now as I pointed out, and which you have pointedly ignored in your passive agressive style, assessing and judging the recent behavior of the Chuff is easy. All the particulars of the matter are on prominent display and you do not need any insider information to form an informed opinion.

But forget it. Your butt is hurt and you would rather sulk. It dosn't matter because either way you lose. You engage on an intellectual level and your process of reasoning is revealed to be lacking. You run away like a little girl and your moral integrity is revealed to be lacking.

Either way you demonstrate incompetence. So in terms of strategy your best bet is stoney silence
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
here, perhaps you can understand me better visually.....






Strategically speaking, the time honored tactic of squeek unsubstantiated nonsense then run away - championed to such great effect by yourself, Chuff, Sumners, Hookworm, TGT, Cragman, Cornhole Chomper, Barhata, Rong Anderson and a cast of thousands is by far your best chance of winning the game so keep at it. For us it provides some simple entertainment and at least a little satisfaction whenever our mallets connect before you scurry down your rat hole.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Not that it matter for sketch (he is of course not going to read the sources anyway) but to me it seems like Pielke's hearing did claim some things that the experts said where wrong.

For example:

Pielke:
"Tornadoes have not increased in frequency, intensity or normalized damage since 1950, and there is some evidence to suggest that they have actually declined."

The experts:
"The honest "truth" is that no one knows what effect global warming is having on tornado intensity. Tornado records are not accurate enough to tell whether tornado intensity has changed over time."

The experts also writes
"That said, some high-profile scientists are misleading the American public about what is, and is not, known about global warming and tornadoes. "

and then give a single example in the text. I don't believe it is a far stretch to believe that one of the high-profile scientists where actually Pielke.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
Kill as many of them Bald and Golden Eagles as you want. ALL in the name of "GREEN ENERGY!"
http://news.yahoo.com/wind-power-us-extends-permit-eagle-deaths-145931345--finance.html

FORTMENTAL, CHILOE, WILBEER, EDH, BASE, MONO and the rest agree it's perfectly fine.

Oh how the hypocrisy flows...


You people truly suck. Truly.


Cus ya'll condone this activity. Every stinking one of you AGW lov'n gotta have GREEN ENERGY at all costs humping one another tards.


Pielke:
"Tornadoes have not increased in frequency, intensity or normalized damage since 1950, and there is some evidence to suggest that they have actually declined."

The experts:
"The honest "truth" is that no one knows what effect global warming is having on tornado intensity. Tornado records are not accurate enough to tell whether tornado intensity has changed over time."

You do realize that his Father, Roger Sr. is the EXPERT and that is where Roger Jr. gets his data.

POST up who you claim is/are the experts.... Phoole.


Roger Pielke Sr.
http://cires.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/people/pielke.html
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
May as well post something about the Arctic Vortex;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/22/1195793/-The-Winter-the-Polar-Vortex-Collapsed#

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/future/warm_arctic_cold_continent.html
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Visual representations of current global temperatures are provided by NOAA's Earth Systems Research Laboratory. I think this pic will update automatically but at the time of posting it shows "Arctic" air over much of the US, which of course came from somewhere -- note unseasonably warm temperatures over northern Alaska and eastern Siberia. These maps are one-day temperatures (top) and temperature anomalies (bottom).

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Here are NOAA's maps of 30-day temperature (top) and temperature anomalies (bottom).

McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
Thanks for the follow-up Chiloe. I was not aware of current temps up north but I figured it might fit in if all of this is real. :>)
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Hey Larry Hamilton....

Why do post propaganda that is outta date and forecasted a month ago and expires today?

Let's see some CURRENT up to DATE data.

More like this...

6-10 Days







Hey MONO, you put this shet propaganda together???


What a fking joke....




Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
Why do post propaganda that is outta date and forecasted a month ago.

Those who can read better than Rick Poedtke may notice that the NOAA temperature maps I posted are not propaganda, not outta date, and not forecasted. His self-righteous post does show a forecast for some reason.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Dec 6, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
That last NOAA chart still shows warmer trading places with colder. Looks to be warmer north of Alaska into Siberia.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
That video is hilariously stupid, isn't it Chief. Unfortunately for you, a denier put it together to debunk realists.

Meanwhile, you need to explain why you think Chiloe's graphs are forecasts.

Do you think you can manage that?

BTW, Chiloe's one-day anomaly shows most of north america in extreme cold, just like your forecast. What was your point again?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 6, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Credit: wilbeer

How is it at the bottom of the minority anyhow?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Larry Hamilton, you definitely are blind.

Take a good look at what dates your posted data are "VALID" for. The one below expires tonight at midnight and was published the first week of NOVEMBER.

30 Day Mean for: Thu NOV 07 2013 - Fri Dec 06 2013

Dang you are stupid, Chief.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Larry, are those Cascade glaciers right next to the Himalayan glaciers set to vanish by 2035? Is it the same researcher that authored Himalayan prediction? Sorry to see your sorry ass got busted on a month old forecast. You really should stick to snow making machine sales.

Norton, i'll conclude my little reality discussion in my own good time. Don't expect a point by point refutation of religious climate dogma- it's bullshet and it's proponents are either greedy opportunists, ideological sympathizers, or so far over the edge that no argument, no matter how clear cut, could ever penetrate the cellophane bubble wrap around their heads.

Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
Haha, hollow accusations? Why don't we make a bet? I go back and find one of the many times that you have done this and you apologize to me and stop posting to the forum. If I can't do that I apologize to you and stop posting to the forum. Do you take the bet?

What a stupid bet.

Tell you what.

Let's see who can find more examples of the other lying, getting called out on it and then trying backpedal their way out of it... instead simply owning up.

Just you and me.

No outside assistance.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
No.

Scratch that.

I remember several times catching you flat out lying and you resorting to textbook sleazeball excuses. The kind of crapola nonsense my girls outgrew by age six.

There's to use in trying to have an honest exchange with a lying sleazeball, like Ray Ray the Fool.
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