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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
So dropping in for my occasional dose of astonishment.

I've only looked back 3 pages (there was ENOUGH name calling in that span to deter me from going back to my last time here).

It appears that Sketch had posted a pretty sketchy graph, according to his interpretation. This is the prediction of global temperature rise from 1988 to 2016 and shows three trends. Also plotted is something called Subsequent Reality. I won't debate the validity of that data. The predictions are from Hansen in 1988.

So why are some of the common interpretations of this chart off base?
1 - Our current climate change vs carbon in the atmosphere models are much better. They have been improving continuously since 1988. A discrepancy between 1988 and current models is to be expected. This chart doesn't compare the models that were available in 2012 (his last data point).

2 - The chart is attributed to Dr David Evans. Well known climate change denier. He's not exactly a domain expert:
(Dr David Evans)...has written 1 science peer-reviewed paper back in the 80s not related to climate change science.

3 - Now lets look at the data itself. Notice that Dr Evans starts his data at the same baseline as Dr Hansen's trends. Very convenient for Dr. Evans since 1988 was significantly warmer than 1989 through 91. This choice of timeline obscures the overall trend. The wide year to year variation in temperature is obvious. Dr Evans could be accused of cherry picking his data. Why does he exclude the preceding 100 years of data.

4 - The only appropriate way to compare trends of data which is so noisy is to apply an appropriate statistical model to the data and then offset to a common starting point. Dr Evans doesn't do this.

Try doing #4 with your naked eye and hopefully not intoxicated brain. Then you'll see a pretty close resemblance between Dr Hansen's forecasts and Dr Evans' data.

Regarding #1, Dr Hansen's predictions of temperature rise are based upon nearly 100 years of data (as of 1988). The correlation of increase in atmospheric CO2 to increased global temperature is startling.
A graph from 1960 - 2005 comparing actual temperature to the models shows very good correlation:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen
The data also shows the "cold period" from 1989 - 1992 corresponding to Dr Evans' graph posted by Sketch.

So keep on ranting and raving about conspiracy theories "promoting" global warming and climate change. Swallow the global warming deniers' claims. Many of whom are funded by corporations and people with their own agenda (profit motive).
You'll have to explain your ignorance to your children and grand children in another few years.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
You'll have to explain your ignorance to your children and grand children in another few years

Ah, sorry to bust your sanctimonious bubble HT, but they ALL three endorse and mimic my position. Two of the three have PhD's btw. They in fact have a stronger views against this agenda, than I.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
And now about the icebreakers stuck in the Antarctic ice pack. The ocean didn't freeze around them. The wind and currents drove a large area of pack ice into the wide gulf the survey ship was in. This was ice that had broken off the ice shelf. The existence and travel of that ice was certainly not a result of cooling temperatures.

I've seen wind driven ice that captured and destroyed a good sized fishing boat in Spitzbergen. The ice floes were driven several feet up onto the beach. A few days later it had all disappeared.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
The existence and travel of that ice was certainly not a result of cooling temperatures.

Please post where anyone here counter to your opinion, ever stated as such.

Please.


You too must be an avid MSNBC watcher.


Distortion prevails amongst you all.


Nice job btw HT on following suit in discrediting any one scientist that presents data counter to your agenda.


At least you all are consistent.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
OK Chief, good luck to your children. Accept the bad science and propaganda. It's your and their right.

Please post where anyone here counter to your opinion, ever stated as such.
I never claimed anyone said anything counter to my "opinion" regarding the Antarctic ice.

Oh, and speaking of rampant generalizations. I haven't watched/listened to MSNBC in several months.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
ALL three endorse and mimic my position

Four people who can all fit their heads up their asses. Impressive!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
Then why did you even introduce that claim HT?


Hey, there JEEBSUS with another of his outstanding intelligent contributions to this AGW herds pile of feces. Fresh outta his oven... mind.

Love it.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
Aww c'mon Chief. Because it's an interesting example of the facts being sometimes different than they first appear.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
Well, that is again a consistent tool used in the propaganda game... distort the facts.

Typical.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
FOUR math & science morons working together don't have the problem solving ability of ONE smart person.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 07:51pm PT
The Two of em are "Scientist" Bruce KY'd.

well known phenomena that authoritarian parents produce authoritarian children

I wouldn't know.


Chew on this.... I was deployed most of my career.


When I was home, I spent most of time doing all the things they enjoyed doing. It was my way of decompressing.

But then, I do not expect you to understand and await the continued proverbial assaults that you and the others never exhibit.



Riiiiiiiiiight.



Oh yeah. Neither watches either FOX NEWS or MSNBC. They are too busy working and taking care of their kids on the weekends to do so.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
While the focus is more on advocacy than on promoting specific legislation, Boxer said she believes members could help build momentum for bills on fuel economy, alternative fuels and energy efficiency. Boxer acknowledged that they "don't have the votes" for many of the measures they would like to see passed in the Senate right now, "but we're going to get them."


Yep, fuel economy, alternative fuels, and energy efficiency.


Go ahead The Chief, tell us why this isn't a good idea. Or better yet, quote one of your PhD kids.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:20pm PT
Fuel economy... thumbs up.


Bring em all on. Got no gripes with that... never have.


CNG & Hydrogen fueled vehicles thumbs up all the way.

Please, do not rip off the public with em. All in the name of "Green".


You want to compete with FF and clean up the atmosphere, price em below the standard FF powered vehicle.

And do not maintain and continue to implement stupidass shet like rerouting cylinder head breather tubes back into the throttle body in the name of efficiency and cleaner air.

Fact is, all it does is place unburnable crap back into the combustion operation only to build up tons of performance inhibiting carbon in the throttle body and intake valves. Depleting the engine of performance and resulting in more air polluting shet coming outta the exhaust and MPG failing miserably after a low amount of miles.

I instantly strip all that CA Emissions shet off my bikes, remove and clean the throttle bodies and IAC/TPS's then return them, R&R the Plugs and Plug Wires with ACCEL stuff etc only to see immediate better mpg and performance.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
Another black paint cooooooooooooooooooozer.

racist.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
Stop huffing the black paint Anita.


Yur BF know about FM??

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm must be all that huffing.










Hopefully yours doesn't, MONO!

But then again that "authoritarian" thing Bruce Boy suggested, definitely runs in your demeanor.

Poor kid....
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
yes
we are into les ménages à trois. want in?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
What .... and get the clap or worse, AIDS from all your Cross Country trio playing Anita?


Fuk that!
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
What .... and get the clap or worse, AIDS from all your Cross Country trio playing Anita?


really classy, Chief. making fun of people with AIDS... can you go any lower?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
Not making fun "of people".

Just you.



Sad thing is, if it's true about your cross country adventures, there may not be any fun to be made of.

Especially if they include FM. His spouse would certainly kick your arse. Evidenced by his nightly bootings & beatings out of his own home.


Get what I mean.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jan 9, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
Fact is, all it does is place unburnable crap back into the combustion operation only to build up tons of performance inhibiting carbon in the throttle body and intake valves. Depleting the engine of performance and resulting in more air polluting shet coming outta the exhaust and MPG failing miserably after a low amount of miles.

What a crock of crap. You drinking the Kool Aid again?
But hey, you're not interested in factual data so rant away.
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