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Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Oct 29, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
I have said all along let the free market decide mitigation
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Don't know of many examples where the free market does anything that might diminish the bottom line. So unless someone can come up with a way to profit from attempting to diminish global warming, I don't see the free market mitigating much other than an a@# fuc&^%$ as they used to say in Deadwood.

JL
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
THEY ARE CALLED ALTERNATIVES!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
You are nothing but FULL OF SH#T,LITTLE MAN!



Here we/they whatever go again....



wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
THATS RIGHT,YOU ARE FULL OF SH#T.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Nah... you're just jealous Welbeer.

Cus you know I am doing more on a personal level to do my part living in the solution than most of your croanies here on this thread are.

Maybe even more than you!!!

Remember, I am totally self sufficient out here in my high desert tea party/libertarian compound oasis. Where btw it is currently snowing. Hell, I even take my trash down the road to our local dump once a week.

Not bad for someone who is full of shet, huh Welbeer.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
Let me make myself perfectly clear,you and yours are the only ones that insist WE want government to BAIL us out of this predicament.

You AND yours,only.

Yes you can call some of us hypocrites,you are as well,motorcycle boy.

I HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY,to push alternatives in my locale,it is finally taking hold,here.

I do not hold that over people as you do.

I have always wanted the free market to decide this ,period,you and yours,the champions of such,have never offered a peep.

So when you say what you did,CHEF,YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
motorcycle boy.

That btw get between 50-65 mpg's and C02 emissions well below any vehicle you drive, may I add.


As far as the gov't part, let me do some upthread regerging from EDH, FARTMENTAL, KMAN, BREWSKY, MONO etc etc and I will repost their repeated "gov't must mandate change" propaganda.


I HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY,to push alternatives in my locale,it is finally taking hold,here.

When you reside in a town with a total population of 10, that is something that one should indeed be proud of.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
I run biodiesel,carbon neutral,look it up.

I do not recall anybody saying the government will fix this for us.

Anyone.

If you believe policy change is BAILING us out of this ,FINE.

As for a town of 10,look up Honeoye Falls,New York.

Landfill free,recycle and compost.

Taking your trash to the dump is very 1965.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Depends on the origins of your "biodeisel".


Unless you personally/specifically refine/process and delivery without any FF'd power sources involved throughout the process, your claim of "Carbon Neutral" is false.

What and where are the source/s of your biofuel?

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Buffalo Biodiesel.com,look it up.It is b-100,b-85,we now have 2 pumps in town.
It is derived from restaurant waste and fryer oil,chicken sh#t, and biomass.

Several friends homebrew.

Carbon Neutral.They run their plant on solar /wind. Even their delivery trucks use it.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
Unfortuately Welber, their pick up and delivery "Tanker Trucks" do not run on their own product.

http://www.buffalobiodiesel.com/pictures.php



OH, their power source is NOT as you stated. It comes from the grid.

Thus, it isn't a 100% Carbon Neutral alternative.




So I will give you two stars over all.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/10/29/if-all-you-see-935/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Wrong again CHEF,I said their delivery trucks and they are connected to the grid ,power just goes back to it.

End user,carbon neutral.

You are still FOS that no one here takes personal action.

And FOS about the gov.

Hope you have to shovel.I dont know about where you live but it used to snow here in late september.We had our first killing frost this morning and later this week bicycling weather.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
They insist it is not a personal action that can be part of the solution. Rather one that only the government/s action can extinguish.

Actually this is where you have it wrong. It's not that the governments need to solve the problem for us. Instead, it is that we cannot do it without the full support of the governments. Individuals can do their own little things, but it's not they who build energy and transportation grids. Governments do that.

Hey, ever see Rodger Rabbit?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Oct 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Wrong again CHIEF,I said their delivery trucks and they are connected to the grid ,power just goes back to it.

End user,carbon neutral.


WTF is this....Welber!!!!




wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Oct 29, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Buffalo Biodiesel.com,look it up.It is b-100,b-85,we now have 2 pumps in town.
It is derived from restaurant waste and fryer oil,chicken sh#t, and biomass.

Several friends homebrew.

Carbon Neutral.They run their plant on solar /wind. Even their delivery trucks use it.


And here is the latest GOV'T semantic play on words from KMAN!

Actually this is where you have it wrong. It's not that the governments need to solve the problem for us. Instead, it is that we cannot do it without the full support of the governments. Individuals can do their own little things, but it's not they who build energy and transportation grids. Governments do that.



Supply and demand dudes. Free Markets.... etc.


Since when did Power Sources and Grids become gov't run here in the United States???

Or your corner gas station.


Or your water sources. etc etc

All three of the above are .... PRIVATE ENTITIES. Not Gov't sponsored nor supervised.




Are you both back to Smoking crack again KMAN/WILBER.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.

Perhaps, but they more than make up for that deficiency with sheer enthusiasm!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Of course 97-98% of the career doomists most actively publishing in the anthropogenic climate change field support the consensus that is funded by the mega bucks of the government/ NGO's/ corporate CAGW heavy industry, Edward. They find endless mitigation schemery by the hypocritical mouthful most profitable, while at the same time being responsible for much higher per capita emissions than those they seek to corral and control through behavioral modification taxation. JL said mitigation wasn't likely minus the profit motive. I invite him to do a thorough investigation of this most foul industry.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
I invite him to do a thorough investigation of this most foul industry.

Like you I suppose? Tell me rick, are your detective skills out of a cereal box too?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
Better than where yours come from Brewasky....


Your ASS!
WBraun

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
When I was in Jakarta, Indonesia I watched 1000 guys in loincloths with straw baskets carrying dirt make their first freeway in 100 plus temperature.

They had 1 road grader.

Americans .... lazy overly spoiled stupid ass people .....
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