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jammer

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 08:17am PT
So, The Chief, in what way have you provided an argument for not doing

something about climate change?


Why should we not be replacing our current worn out infrastructure with

green alternatives, which are as good or better, especially when you

consider how much they would help simplify things like foreign policy,

and the general cost of energy (aside from initial investment, solar/wind is

free, and everyone already needs things like a heater with an extensive gas

line to it, right? think about it...), so it really is a no brainer.


Lastly Chief, please quit blowing out pages with your giant images. Thanks :)
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 08:19am PT
Mine are all in line.

I see you fixed them.

Oh, and you are a liar.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 24, 2014 - 08:24am PT
These socialist utopian dreaming idiots posting here in favor of this farce of a AGW theory and its stated preferred mitigation path will only awake to a nightmare if their cause ever achieves success. Socialist utopia not, but most definitely an iron handed totalitarian fascist state. Their would be 99% indentured servants without opportunity for advancement and the 1% ruling class. Guess which class you idiots would be in.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:12am PT
Anybody see this speech?



Saw a story about a study on the amount of scientific studies the conclude Human Caused Climate Change is backed up with fact is some 35000 to 20 claiming otherwise
raymond phule

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:14am PT

That's just a chart. Interpolated data. The source link makes no mention of it being an index. It's just a chart the warmists gush over.

You've produced nothing to show it's a recognized index... on par with any of recognized global temperature metrics.

Interested mix of words.
"just a chart"
"interpolated data"
"being an index"
"just a chart"

So why is it just a chart? Is a plot a hadcrut4 also just a chart?
Why is that plot of interpolated data? Can you explain what interpolated data are?

I might be missing something but why is it better for data to be an index and not just ploted on a chart?

I don't really understand what is so complicated. Cowtan and Way wrote and published an aricle about a method to determine a temperature record. Their temperature record can be found in the article, graphs and the data can be found on a homepage that can be found after 5 seconds of google searching.

I really don't know if whatsupwiththat consider that just a chart with interpolated data or a temperature index.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:30am PT
The Chief is anti-freedom and liberty...

i don't mix the message with the messenger...

p.s. - i'd say that's a particularly obsessive collection of caprio pics....

does someone have a man-crush?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:33am PT
They do all the time,because that is all they have.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:44am PT
name one non-hypocrite?

come on, your just angry you got no better message to everyone...

also, do you not want to fix the problem of CC?

just yell at anyone promoting cleaning up our act is to be lambasted...


so... the messenger has to be who, then?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:56am PT
I wouldn't know DINGUS. Maybe you can school us all about how that is done...



Do me and you a favor and do not approach this vehicle, mkay? I don't announce my movements and I wouldn't be able to see you down there. Wouldn't want anything untoward to happen.

Appears old Dingus did the ole...


DELETE DELETE DELETE DELETE---HYPOCRISY POST---DELETE DELETE DELETE DELETE




TOO fking funneee I tell ya.

BRa HAWHAWHAWHAW! I agree.

Lemme me help you out THE RICK
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2492579#msg2492579

Now don't be going back for your typical post-edit, Dumbass.

DMT
raymond phule

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 09:58am PT

It was implied Cowtan & Way was on par with the five standard global datasets.

Yes I believe that is the case. Why shouldn't it be?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 10:29am PT
I understand Sketch. I asked you the question so long ago, I can imagine how your failing memory has a hard time keeping track.

You asked me for a link, here's the post itself:

k-man

Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2014 - 10:55am PT

Since you're so smart, tell us why his point is invalid.
 Sketch


Perhaps you can further the discussion by explaining why you think Ed's point is not valid. I think that onus is on you.

Maybe you can start by explaining why your trend lines have any relevance to our discussion. Ed takes them apart. Can you provide for why they are worthwhile?


It took me but a minute to find the question (actually, I asked it several times). Now, it should only take you a minute to find the post where you answered this, because you've said repeatedly that you did answer my question(s) asking for you to explain the relevance of your graphs.

If you can't find the link, that's because (as I assert) it's not there.
jammer

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 11:07am PT
Sketch, would using a trend line from a decline in the stock market be a good overall assessment of the growth of/on wall street into the future? If not, why would we do the same thing with recent surface temperature trends? Your argument is fundamentally lacking in substance...

raymond phule

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 11:08am PT
Sketch wrote:

LOL

What a stupid and boring troll you are...
jammer

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 11:49am PT
Sketch wrote (though I fixed the wording of his link):

The chart is "worthwhile because it shows the overall trend, going back 12-18 years. The trendlines show no warming.

As to why Ed's disqualifaction doesn't hold water, there's this:

Sketchs sh#t argument.

In a nutshell, trends that are counter to the long term trend exist. Some are just noise. Some represent an actual divergence from the long term trend. They're valid. I'd say 18 years has some validity.

LOL. Yes, I will link to your idiotic posts which you deny making when you yourself provide the link to said idiotic post. Dumbass...

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 11:51am PT
The chart is "worthwhile because it shows the overall trend, going back 12-18 years. The trendlines show no warming.

Your claim about the chart is unsubstantiated. I can read your chart, I don't need you to explain what it is supposed to show. However, I am looking for an expatiation for why the chart has merit.

Claiming that 12-18 year trend lines that "show no warming" does nothing to back up why the chart "holds water."

I can show you a trend line of the temperature falling drastically over a certain period of time--yet I know that that trend line does not have merit when talking about climate.

Your trend lines mean nothing without an explanation for why it does mean something.


So, let me ask one more time, can you explain why your chart has merit with regards to climate change? I am still waiting for your answer.
jammer

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 12:00pm PT
But I thought the "commies" were the proponents of doing something about climate change. WTF? Those as#@&%es change opinions all too often. Always one step ahead, those f*#king commies. Despite this, they are inferior. Ohh, woe is me, DAMN THE COMMIES!!!!!
jammer

climber
Sep 24, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
Oh yea, I forgot, it's about saying vacuous things regarding short time intervals, DEEEERRRRRRPPPPPPPPP!!!!!111111

Ed explained to you the scientific reason this is vacuous, justified with the actual data you provided. Since you don't understand his explanation, rather than educating yourself, you have decided to "disagree" with him and hide behind little troll games. Look up "bootstrapping", dumbass.

BTW, you both agree that the interval in question, or any interval of that length of time, is of no real predictive value, yet you persist in painting the "warmists", particularly Ed, as disagreeing with you on this point.

Perhaps you are the one needing to work on reading comprehension?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 12:35pm PT
I answered your questions.

You stated your opinion, which did not answer my question. In fact, your "answer" proves my point--that you don't know jack about the graphs you posted.

Now run along little doggie, isn't it time for somebody to feed you?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Sep 24, 2014 - 12:48pm PT

Sep 24, 2014 - 09:16am PT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there

Sep 24, 2014 - 09:12am PT
Anybody see this speech?







Saw a story about a study on the amount of scientific studies the conclude Human Caused Climate Change is backed up with fact is some 35000 to 20 claiming otherwise






Hey Jingy.. after which Leonardo went onto to this...

Oh boy, Leonardo sure is "helping to solve the problem" here...

Flying on his PVT JET..



To go study the SST's in the Caribbean on this lavish RESEARCH VESSEL with all his fellow Climate Scientists....








Then he flies his PVT JET back to this RESEARCH STATION in Malibu that has not ONE solar panel on the premises...





He most assuredly has to be Frothingatthemouthmental HERO! Cus Leonardo loves to fly his PVT JET to sponsor, watch and enjoy, of all things, Formula 1 races, all over the world. RESEARCHING how he can WIN a F-1 CROWN to add to his collection of AGW attributions to the Climate Change.

Actaully, Leonardo is involved with testing a new vehicle that will create a suction by going around a race track at high speeds and in turn collect C02 from the atmosphere.








Leonardo is most certainly solving the Climate Change problem with the warm waters here....

Modern CLIMATE CHANGE RESEARCH VESSEL



Top Secret new NOAA SST data collection device TESTING...




YUP... You go LEONARDO. Cus sheep like Malnuts, Jingy and Frothingatthemouthmental are with you on your dedicated and intense Climate Change Research.

 the healthy side of climate change denial...

Hetero-obsession with consistency of message/messenger lifestyle...

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
The chart is "worthwhile because it shows the overall trend, going back 12-18 years. The trendlines show no warming.


Then:


I'm fairly confident that anything else I provided would be met with more petty criticisms.



Well Sketch, you really told us off, now didn't you!
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