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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Aug 7, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
Not that we need to hear this, but just so's everybody's been told..

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu

It's worse than I thought

Credit: Jingy
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 7, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
Facts show the real story right from the people that keep track of all the data.

I agree, Sketch. Now lets look at the big picture, instead of your usual cherry picking.




data source: http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/fireInfo_stats_totalFires.html
TLP

climber
Aug 7, 2014 - 09:26pm PT
Data on burned area from the current era of extensive aerial fire control procedures (spending an average of almost $1.5 billion on it annually 2000-2013 - also from NIFC) provides zero basis for assessing relationship (or lack thereof) between climate and fires.

There is, however, substantial scientific literature showing correlations between extent of fires and warmer, drier climate over past millenia. Though admittedly, these papers do not discuss circumstances during the Paleozoic, as the Chief thinks is relevant to the current era.

Here in California, if it rains a lot, the line we hear is "the grass grew! there will be major fires!" and if it does not, we hear "it's dry, there will be major fires!" One does tire of this kind of short term BS. But it's a no brainer based on basic principles of fire science (low fuel water content, stuff igniates burns easier) and the Holocene data that hot and dry correlates with more or larger fires, all other things being equal. The reality in California, and probably most of the arid West, is that nearly all the big fires are human caused (directly, including power lines). And this has been the case since the glaciers melted and the Indians arrived. They may well have set all those big fires discussed in the papers about the Holocene; they just burned more area during drier conditions.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2014 - 06:25am PT
Credit: monolith

Credit: monolith
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Aug 8, 2014 - 06:46am PT
Haha rolling coal retards. They could use a good dose of Ebola.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2014 - 07:24am PT
Yep Sketch, we've learned a lot in 25 years. Part of the scientific method.

Is that ok with you, Sketch?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Aug 8, 2014 - 07:40am PT
Can you provide radiative forcing data to support your claim regarding Scenario A?

I provided the data to support Scenario D.

Fair is fair, right Sketch?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 10:06am PT
Same old K-man... claiming one thing... even if it's BS.


Um, I didn't claim anything.



But speaking of "same old," ...



But, since you need me to answer your silly question, I will play along with your silly game.

The difference between weather and climate is a measure of time.



Now your turn, answer my question:

Sketch, are you asking me to test my knowledge, or are you asking because after all this time you still don't know?


You said you would answer my question after I answered yours, so your turn Sketch.


My prediction: Sketch will run away like a little brat-boy instead of answering.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 10:09am PT
Rather interesting how KMAN neglects to add his ST croanies in with his claim.


The Chief, I'm curious, what claim did I make?



And, nice to see that The Chief is back with his hate-filled messages.
Although I can't say that I missed them.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 10:21am PT
I've already covered this.


Obvious dodge. Unless, of course, you can provide a link to where you covered this. Which, of course, is not possible.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Aug 8, 2014 - 10:57am PT
nothin' a few well placed potatoes couldn't remedy
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Please do tell us that your post below was not directed towards "Deniers" only.


The Chief, you're an idiot; Rolling Coal is purely deniers.


Go have another cup of hate; you'll need it for the rest of the day.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
No Sketch, it is your test that failed. (And what does your link have to do with anything I've posted? Can you say "non sequitur"?).


But, as I expected--your question was a rhetorical question that shows your true colors. The only folks that support what you have here are The Chief, rick, TGT, and a couple other losers that drop in every now and then to show their complete ignorance of the science behind climate change.

You can continue to say I'm shoveling crap; it's easy to say, the hot air around here is overpowering. But those with a smidgen of wits know where lay the truth.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Think about that statement of reality I just posted about you.


The Chief, I don't live in the world that you consider to be reality.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
LOL A verbatim C&P from NOAA.

What a smart boy you are.

Yes, I can use Google. But you are wrong about my source. (http://www.diffen.com/difference/Climate_vs_Weather);


You said you would answer my question after I answered yours, so your turn Sketch.

I did.

Yes you did, after I directly answered your question. How reasonable you are!


My prediction: Sketch will run away like a little brat-boy instead of answering.

You are wrong. Again.


Yes, you proved my prediction wrong. And you say "Again." as if you have never been wrong. At least I am honest enough to admit when I'm wrong.
Unlike you.

Obvious dodge. Unless, of course, you can provide a link to where you covered this. Which, of course, is not possible.

I did.

You did not. Most folks would consider this a lie.

Same BS from the King of BS.


Now, I need a laugh. Tell us again how you read a graph...

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 8, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
nice fishy
nice fishy
Credit: Malemute

Cali's climate is too hot for Kokanee.
BC is just right.


Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Aug 9, 2014 - 06:50am PT
You play with Sardines. We catch fish.


this is just a little fish from the Fraser River
http://www.bcadventure.com/greatriverfishing/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2014 - 11:35am PT
The Chief, I don't live in the world that you consider to be reality.

Obviously you don't KMAN.


No The Chief. In the real world, there is a severe drought in California. In your world, the lakes are full and there is no drought.


In other words, your world is not the world that most folks on this planet inhabit.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 9, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
The last time the city went without a heat wave classified as three consecutive days of temperatures higher than 90 degrees was in 2004.


http://nypost.com/2014/08/08/summer-2014-is-coldest-in-a-decade/
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
I suggest you contemplate moving your ass to a location where the water is plentiful.


The Chief, I think all of LA should move into your neighborhood, with the logic you posses.
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