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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2014 - 09:12am PT
STFU already ...


Do as I say not as I do, right The Chief?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 09:17am PT
another in the legion of anonymous trolls: dave729

perhaps you might be more effective if, instead of personal invective, you would make some argument based on actual fact, rather than your incomplete understanding of the blogs you read and the regurgitation, by you, onto the thread.


but I doubt that will happen.



interesting to note in TGT's reproduced graphic above that "r²=0.000" I wonder if TGT even knows what it means... (to my mind, it means that the numbers are faked, that is, the line drawn is not fit to the data).

When one does such a thing on a plot, one should say exactly what they are doing... and not be deceptive. But I agree if you don't understand the plot you aren't being deceptive, you're just being a dupe.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:00am PT
Even though CO2 levels have steadily increased over the last 18 years, while we've experienced no warming, the lack of warming is irrelevant... as is the lower than predicted warming since the first IPCC report. What matters is predictions about the future, right?

of course you meant to say "no surface warming" as inferred by the RSS data analyzed by Mears.
Steve Rathbun

climber
Outer Lurkistan
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:22am PT
The burden of evidence for the deniers is just too great.

fortunately for the deniers. evidence has never been a burden.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:26am PT
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but I see it as good news:

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/218527-google-pulls-support-of-alec-over-climate-change
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:55am PT
No surface warming, which was the only metric discussed in the First, Second and Third Assessment Reports. It wasn't until the Fourth Assessment Report, when the "Hiatus" looked to be more than mere noise, that ocean heat content got much attention.

it gets back to the issues of accuracy and precision (or more to the point, variability)

In the run up to the latest IPCC report, the modeling community attempted to perform a "short range" forecast... this was not something attempted previously.

The disagreement between some of the model runs, and the observations, reveals the shortcomings of the models in making a prediction on that short time period. Don't forget that the "normal" time period for averaging is 30 years... oscillations, which represent a lot of the variability, taking place over shorter time periods will average out, and the model inputs have a way of capturing that averaging as input.

The questions regarding the predictions have focused on what the models are missing (not whether or not the models are "correct"). After investigating many possible factors (e.g. volcanic aerosols) the focus is on the ocean-atmosphere energy exchange, with the "deep" ocean recently observed (also not something available to the early IPCC reports).

Explaining these differences between observations and models helps to improve our understanding, and the limits of our models' ability to predict such a short time forecast.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 5, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 5, 2014 - 04:01pm PT
How's about you answered your own question.

You should be happy not knowing......

You are a deniers ,denier.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 5, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
Anything positive,apparently.

Denier.
Credit: wilbeer
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 5, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
Denier.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 5, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 5, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
You have no idea what an increase in temperature on the average, of 1.4C Can do to the Earth ,Do you?

Denier of AGW.

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dirtbag

climber
Oct 6, 2014 - 06:48am PT
From the very first post:

Just wondering, are there any more climate change skeptics out there?

I think the answer is mostly "no." What we have here are mostly climate change cranks.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 6, 2014 - 07:07am PT
Sometimes I feel kind of sorry for you Chief. You have to resort to misquoting people to make some point.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 6, 2014 - 07:18am PT
LOL, Sketch. BaU in AR1 was exponentially increasing emissions.

That's basically linear.

Take another swing?
dirtbag

climber
Oct 6, 2014 - 07:21am PT

Must be your AGW ignorance and total dedication to the political ideology that goes with it.

Yep, that's totally me. You nailed it.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 6, 2014 - 07:43am PT
Scenario A, Sketch? Surely you have radiative forcing data to support that.

Got any radiative forcing data to support your arguments Sketch?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 6, 2014 - 08:09am PT
Sketch, are you getting all your "information" and arguments from anti-science blogs again?


It's interesting how sciency-sounding mumbo jumbo makes sense to folks who don't understand the science. Here, Sketch is trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about. Heck, those anti-science blogs sure make it sound easy.

The only trouble is he hasn't put the time into scientific study to actually see how flimsy the arguments are on those anti blogs.


But I could be wrong--maybe he does have the research on radiative forcing to back up his claims.

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. After all, the thousands of scientists pouring over the IPCC reports might not know the things that Sketch knows.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 6, 2014 - 08:27am PT
it's good you've found a place where you can be yourself...
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 6, 2014 - 08:50am PT
The actual radiative forcing is the result of all effects, Sketch, including ghg's, landuse, aerosols, etc.

It is the best single measure of the warming pressure on our planet.

Sure, climate science in 1990 was not as advanced as today, and you can find discrepancies, so good for you, Sketch.
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