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Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 3, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Oct 3, 2014 - 11:21pm PT
"So does that mean that this January when J Brown incorporates his new gas tax, my State Taxes will be reduced? Is he going to boost education funding? Or help implement drought reduction mitigation measures in the state? NO! It means he is going to buy some useless $81.4 billion bullet train to go from LA to SF. That people like you and DMT will never ride cus you want the comfort of your own space."

No, I (and apparently you) won't ride it because it will go from Fresno to Merced, or Madera to Bakersfield, in other words a train to nowhere as far as most people are concerned, and will cost more than an airline ticket. In other countries I have taken the train, because they design them to be useful.

I already posted a month ago how the Cal carbon trading fees will be spent and wasted. Did you finally get around to reading it?
I don't think states and localities should try to make significant policy on this. It is much better handled on the federal level. Just like Cal is now going to just follow EPA national mpg rules in the future, now that the federal rules have actually progressed.

The more people complain about a simple tax, the more likely they are to end up with a Jerry Brown type bureaucracy instead.


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Oct 4, 2014 - 08:12am PT
Ok.. we tax their goods and they then they decide to no longer sell them to us. They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today. Certain them manufacturing nations will do their best to accommodate their financial status in order to sell their products to em.

Who suffers then, DMT.

Economists, after reading that.

DMT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2014 - 09:25am PT
They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today.

Brilliant!

Have another Guinness.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 4, 2014 - 09:33am PT
B.K. your comments might have a tiny shred of credibility if you did not
pour Budweiser, (imported from USA) over your cornflakes for breakfast!

At least had you figured as a Labatt-Blue-Light kind of climate fear monger.
You do know Molson poured over cornflakes the #1 breakfast in the provinces?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Oct 4, 2014 - 11:39am PT
Modelling in action:
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-138.0,47.0,1400

This was not designed by a high school dropout.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 4, 2014 - 11:57am PT
Not much competition on the pathetic nature denialist side these days unless you count that hopeless alchy Bruce as having anything of value to say.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 4, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
"nature denialist" ?

step away from the blogs, rick! you are confusing fantasy for reality (but what's new).
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 4, 2014 - 12:13pm PT
Spare your self further embarassment by association with this shetfest thread, go back to your hidey hole Ed. Nothing to see here, none of your presented scientific explanations for the lack of projected warming can possibly be twisted enough to speak louder than the natural cooling that is underway. Nature wins, the bumbling utopian socialists lose.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 4, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
Basically global warming truthers are a spreading
plague of "Confirmation Bias".

Question: why isn't Ed H's picture prominently displayed in that wiki?
Blatant disrespect imho. And when can we expect a cure? These people are
suffering!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 4, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
cooling trend?

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 4, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
Its called Winter Ed. And its now climate change. Difficult to keep
up with the fluid redefinition of this hobby of yours but
hey, make the effort ok?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
As a result, your graph and the argument it sets forth is uninformed. It is a cherry picking of data (only using the time frame you do, the IPCC's forecast is long-term) in conjunction with a misleading argument, likely brought about from a fundamental lack of/misunderstanding of what is actually going on there.

Watch out. Keep up this line of logic and Sketch is bound to break out his harsh insults. It's his only defense, you know.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2014 - 09:12am PT
STFU already ...


Do as I say not as I do, right The Chief?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 09:17am PT
another in the legion of anonymous trolls: dave729

perhaps you might be more effective if, instead of personal invective, you would make some argument based on actual fact, rather than your incomplete understanding of the blogs you read and the regurgitation, by you, onto the thread.


but I doubt that will happen.



interesting to note in TGT's reproduced graphic above that "rē=0.000" I wonder if TGT even knows what it means... (to my mind, it means that the numbers are faked, that is, the line drawn is not fit to the data).

When one does such a thing on a plot, one should say exactly what they are doing... and not be deceptive. But I agree if you don't understand the plot you aren't being deceptive, you're just being a dupe.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:00am PT
Even though CO2 levels have steadily increased over the last 18 years, while we've experienced no warming, the lack of warming is irrelevant... as is the lower than predicted warming since the first IPCC report. What matters is predictions about the future, right?

of course you meant to say "no surface warming" as inferred by the RSS data analyzed by Mears.
Steve Rathbun

climber
Outer Lurkistan
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:22am PT
The burden of evidence for the deniers is just too great.

fortunately for the deniers. evidence has never been a burden.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:26am PT
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but I see it as good news:

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/218527-google-pulls-support-of-alec-over-climate-change
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Oct 5, 2014 - 10:55am PT
No surface warming, which was the only metric discussed in the First, Second and Third Assessment Reports. It wasn't until the Fourth Assessment Report, when the "Hiatus" looked to be more than mere noise, that ocean heat content got much attention.

it gets back to the issues of accuracy and precision (or more to the point, variability)

In the run up to the latest IPCC report, the modeling community attempted to perform a "short range" forecast... this was not something attempted previously.

The disagreement between some of the model runs, and the observations, reveals the shortcomings of the models in making a prediction on that short time period. Don't forget that the "normal" time period for averaging is 30 years... oscillations, which represent a lot of the variability, taking place over shorter time periods will average out, and the model inputs have a way of capturing that averaging as input.

The questions regarding the predictions have focused on what the models are missing (not whether or not the models are "correct"). After investigating many possible factors (e.g. volcanic aerosols) the focus is on the ocean-atmosphere energy exchange, with the "deep" ocean recently observed (also not something available to the early IPCC reports).

Explaining these differences between observations and models helps to improve our understanding, and the limits of our models' ability to predict such a short time forecast.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Oct 5, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
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