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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:18am PT
The basis for stratigraphy is defining intervals between max flooding surfaces. In the rock record, sea level changes in a very rhythmic way..evidence that the Earth's climate is cyclic. These cycles dominate the rock record.

The mechanism behind this is now generally accepted to be Milankovitch Cycles. These are cycles in the Earth's orbit and precession of the Earth's axis.

Although we are no doubt warming right now, we are oddly enough in a part of the cycles where we should be cooling down.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:27am PT
then rebut Ed's post, Rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

no clever little irrelevant personal digs, no emotional diatribes....

prove most everyone wrong when they say you don't have the intellect to do so


time to finally man up, rick

take it apart, clearly and carefully, in detail

or STFU, the choice is yours
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:41am PT
For the reality-based community, a nice look at real science in action. This 5-minute video posted by glaciologist Mauri Pelto offers a glimpse of the 30 years of field work that have gone into monitoring the mass balance of Cascade glaciers.
We have developed a 30 years time series of glacier mass balance on glaciers across the North Cascades of Washington. To ensure that the program could be sustained, we did not pursue any federal funding for the project. The data we, collect is submitted to the World Glacier Monitoring Service (WGMS) each year, the regional time series built in the North Cascade is just part of the contribution to the global glacier mass balance time series at WGMS. The cumulative North Cascades glacier mass balance record is in fact quite similar to the cumulative global mass balance time series. For the globe there have been 22 consecutive years of negative mass balance, that is the reality of the impact of global warming on mountain glaciers around the globe. The impact on the glaciers of Mount Baker was recently published Pelto and Brown (2012)


Pelto is presenting a longer version of his video next week at the AGU (American Geophysical Union) meetings in San Francisco.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:55am PT
When was the last period of glacier growth, globally?

When was the last century of net gain?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 09:59am PT
What is soooooooooooooooo interesting about all these glaciers melting out, they are exposing all the neat forests and plant life that were long ago thriving in a far warmer climate than these areas have experienced for an extended period of time.

Oh shet!


You mean these glaciers weren't always prevailing on planet earth????


There are holes in them donuts Larry Hamilton. Please cease the fear propaganda that you continue to proliferate in order to perpetuate your livelihood.

“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.”

― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values




BTW: We just broke the record (5 Deg F) for the low temp this date set back in 1997.

And the Central Valley set a slew of low temp records yesterday.


But of course you all will conveniently call it "inconsistent climate".

Got it.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 10:37am PT
Oh that really hurt Fortmental. Truly did.....

“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.”

― Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry Into Values
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Remember Dana Nuccitelli of 97% consensus fame?

Here he is... demonstrating his character.

https://twitter.com/dana1981/status/408285983914733568


And how exactly can you discern someones character from a twitter exchange between professional peers about minutiae that only they are party to?


So you are interested in character. Me too. Look back a page and use your keen analytical intellect to decipher the characteristics of my argument with Chuff. I propose that the only logical conclusion is that he is a chickensh#t.... although i suppose in retrospect I could add a few other things like an inability to mature into adulthood, but the main thing in terms of debating is that he demonstrates intellectual cowardice by willfully refusing to answer a perfectly reasonable and relevant question.

Explain to me if you can Sketch how if you are so keen about judging moral character you cannot agree with my assesssment. This is a small and isolated example I know but unlike your twitter exchange example, it is easy for anyone possessing nothing more than simple common sense and logic to come to a conclusion.

So Sketch, I realize that somewhat like Chuff you as well have a similar history, typically demonstrated by a passive agressive tactic of stony silence, but perhaps in the interest of civi debate you could break with tradition and give us your conclusion to my question and a well reasoned summary of how you came to it
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Sketch I would really like to see you directly answer Bruce Kay's question above. No side-stepping. Can you do it?

Of are you playing chief's game too?

Will you answer?

DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Oh my, a low temp record got set somewhere. Therefore global warming is invalidated and can now be called a religion by The Chief.

Somewhere??

In the past week over 1930 LOW TEMP RECORDS Nationwide have be set.

And allow me to reiterate this news flash from the NCDc this past Monday.

Read very carefully...


With a large chunk of the U.S. having endured one of the coldest Thanksgiving holidays in years and even more brutally cold weather in the forecast over the next few days, 2013 is poised to have daily record lows outnumber daily record highs for the first time in 20 years.

That’s a stark reversal from last year — the warmest year on record in the U.S. — when record daily highs dwarfed record lows by a staggering 4-to-1 ratio. It’s also a stark reminder of the vagaries of short-term natural variability set against the backdrop of long-term global warming.

According to statistics from the National Climatic Data Center, the U.S. had 9,023 daily record high temperatures through Dec. 1, compared to 9,932 daily record lows. About 1,000 cold temperature records were set or tied during the last week alone.
http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/cold-records-beat-warm-records-first-time-1993-20131203


Record cold temps out number record warm temps this year by over a 1000. That number will grow after this current Arctic Blast passes the nation next Weds.

All this being the first time in over 20 years.


Yeah, just somewhere.....
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Of course Australia's "Official" temp records are ONLY 103 years worth.

Last summer more than 120 extreme weather-related records were broken, including the hottest January and the hottest day ever recorded in Australia since reliable record keeping began in 1910.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/climate-council-reports-warmest-september-on-record-20131003-2uv76.html#ixzz2miKnKh00


But let's not tell the masses that.






So, based on 103 years of record taking, the world can now be told it is coming to an end.


Got it....

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Wassila alaska seems a little toasty too....

http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp2.html


but comparing current weather events is not conclusive of anything, but we all know that but for some reason we let Chuff lead the discussion there for the whole purpose of drawing attention away from his cowardice.

Hey that reminds me ....... where did Sketch go?
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
And how exactly can you discern someones character from a twitter exchange between professional peers about minutiae that only they are party to?

Hmmm. One of the newest darlings of the alarmist community publicly attacks a skeptic. Turns out his claim was a lie. After getting called on it, instead of simply saying "I misspoke", he tries to defend his lie. Sleazy. Cowardly. Just my opinion.

So you are interested in character. Me too. Look back a page and use your keen analytical intellect to decipher the characteristics of my argument with Chuff. I propose that the only logical conclusion is that he is a chickensh#t.... although i suppose in retrospect I could add a few other things like an inability to mature into adulthood, but the main thing in terms of debating is that he demonstrates intellectual cowardice by willfully refusing to answer a perfectly reasonable and relevant question.

Explain to me if you can Sketch how if you are so keen about moral character you cannot agree with my assesssment. This is a small and isolated example I know but unlike your twitter exchange example, it is easy for anyone possessing nothing more than simple common sense and logic to come to a conclusion.

So Sketch, I realize that somewhat like Chuff you as well have a similar history, typically demonstrated by a passive agressive tactic of stony silence, but perhaps in the interest of civi debate you could break with tradition and give us your conclusion to my question and a well reasoned summary of how you came to it

My, my, my.... you do go on. And it just wouldn't be you being you without a few unsolicited slams thrown in. Bravo.

Given your verbosity in making the request, I'm guessing any response on my part would result in more tiresome tedious posts from you. Even if I was interested addressing this query (which I'm not), your penchant for blather would be a deterrent.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
One of the newest darlings of the alarmist community publicly attacks a skeptic. Turns out his claim was a lie. After getting called on it, instead of simply saying "I misspoke", he tries to defend his lie. Sleazy. Cowardly. Just my opinion.

Yes we know it is just your opinion. But who cares? How do you arrive at your opinion is the question. Demonstrate that he is lying and you gain credibility. Opine like an idiot based on a few tweets that you know nothing about and you lose credibility.

Given your verbosity in making the request, I'm guessing any response on my part would result in more tiresome tedious posts from you. Even if I was interested addressing this query (which I'm not), your penchant for blather would be a deterrent.

ah I see......



so you as well are a thin skinned coward?

And it just wouldn't be you being you without a few unsolicited slams thrown in. Bravo.


Unsolicited? Are you an idiot? You are practically down on your knees buns up begging for it.
When Chuff runs away like a little girl he is begging for it. Do you really think you are entitled to respect just because it is " just your opinion"?

When anyone repeatedly displays intellectual cowardice it is our duty to piss on their heads from a very great height. That is just my opinion, but unlike you it is an informed opinion. It may be wrong but we will only know if someone can demonstrate it wrong.

Perhaps you
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Classic shmuck logic: facts only apply when they agree with my argument.

Facts?


Yeah, those that are distorted and cherry picked for utter convenience to proliferate the ideology and dogma.


Let's totally forget about the rest of the time beyond 103 years. Those Billions of years mean nothing.

Nice....
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
When anyone repeatedly displays intellectual cowardice it is our duty to piss on their heads from a very great height.

oh damn, now that IS funny regardless

just like next door neighbor five year old kid who disagreed with me about something and told
me to "build a bridge and get over it, diaper face"
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Given your verbosity in making the request, I'm guessing any response on my part would result in more tiresome tedious posts from you. Even if I was interested addressing this query (which I'm not), your penchant for blather would be a deterrent.

hmmm, Irony?


Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Dec 6, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Fuk them Eagle's. Kill em all... Save yourselves!


For wind power, US extends permit for eagle deaths.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration said Friday it will allow some companies to kill or injure bald and golden eagles for up to 30 years without penalty, an effort to spur development and investment in green energy while balancing its environmental consequences.
http://news.yahoo.com/wind-power-us-extends-permit-eagle-deaths-145931345--finance.html



Nice!!!
raymond phule

climber
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:10pm PT

Turns out his claim was a lie. After getting called on it, instead of simply saying "I misspoke", he tries to defend his lie. Sleazy. Cowardly. Just my opinion.

The irony, how many times have you done exactly that in this thread?
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Yes we know it is just your opinion. But who cares? How do you arrive at your opinion is the question. Demonstrate that he is lying and you gain credibility. Opine like an idiot based on a few tweets that you know nothing about and you lose credibility.

It's obvious to anyone who read the exchange, which I provided a link. Dana tweeted that tornado experts say Roger Pielke, Jr. is misleading the public. He provided a link to an op-ed by six leading tornado experts. One of those experts responded with "Roger's not referenced, just Muller. We never even thought about Roger's work in putting that together." Dana then tries to make it about something else.

Sleazy.

so you as well are a thin skinned coward?

Because I don't want to play your little game? Sure thing.

Unsolicited? Are you an idiot? You are practically down on your knees buns up begging for it.
When Chuff runs away like a little girl he is begging for it. Do you really think you are entitled to respect just because it is " just your opinion"?

When anyone repeatedly displays intellectual cowardice it is our duty to piss on their heads from a very great height. That is just my opinion, but unlike you it is an informed opinion. It may be wrong but we will only know if someone can demonstrate it wrong.

Perhaps you

I just posted a story about one of the new climate darlings.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Dec 6, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
The irony, how many times have you done exactly that in this thread?

Oh look. Another one of Ray Ray's hollow accusations.

After all....

Friday does end with a y.
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