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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Depends on the origins of your "biodeisel".


Unless you personally/specifically refine/process and delivery without any FF'd power sources involved throughout the process, your claim of "Carbon Neutral" is false.

What and where are the source/s of your biofuel?

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Buffalo Biodiesel.com,look it up.It is b-100,b-85,we now have 2 pumps in town.
It is derived from restaurant waste and fryer oil,chicken sh#t, and biomass.

Several friends homebrew.

Carbon Neutral.They run their plant on solar /wind. Even their delivery trucks use it.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
Unfortuately Welber, their pick up and delivery "Tanker Trucks" do not run on their own product.

http://www.buffalobiodiesel.com/pictures.php



OH, their power source is NOT as you stated. It comes from the grid.

Thus, it isn't a 100% Carbon Neutral alternative.




So I will give you two stars over all.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/10/29/if-all-you-see-935/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 29, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Wrong again CHEF,I said their delivery trucks and they are connected to the grid ,power just goes back to it.

End user,carbon neutral.

You are still FOS that no one here takes personal action.

And FOS about the gov.

Hope you have to shovel.I dont know about where you live but it used to snow here in late september.We had our first killing frost this morning and later this week bicycling weather.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
They insist it is not a personal action that can be part of the solution. Rather one that only the government/s action can extinguish.

Actually this is where you have it wrong. It's not that the governments need to solve the problem for us. Instead, it is that we cannot do it without the full support of the governments. Individuals can do their own little things, but it's not they who build energy and transportation grids. Governments do that.

Hey, ever see Rodger Rabbit?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Oct 29, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Wrong again CHIEF,I said their delivery trucks and they are connected to the grid ,power just goes back to it.

End user,carbon neutral.


WTF is this....Welber!!!!




wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Oct 29, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Buffalo Biodiesel.com,look it up.It is b-100,b-85,we now have 2 pumps in town.
It is derived from restaurant waste and fryer oil,chicken sh#t, and biomass.

Several friends homebrew.

Carbon Neutral.They run their plant on solar /wind. Even their delivery trucks use it.


And here is the latest GOV'T semantic play on words from KMAN!

Actually this is where you have it wrong. It's not that the governments need to solve the problem for us. Instead, it is that we cannot do it without the full support of the governments. Individuals can do their own little things, but it's not they who build energy and transportation grids. Governments do that.



Supply and demand dudes. Free Markets.... etc.


Since when did Power Sources and Grids become gov't run here in the United States???

Or your corner gas station.


Or your water sources. etc etc

All three of the above are .... PRIVATE ENTITIES. Not Gov't sponsored nor supervised.




Are you both back to Smoking crack again KMAN/WILBER.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.

Perhaps, but they more than make up for that deficiency with sheer enthusiasm!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Of course 97-98% of the career doomists most actively publishing in the anthropogenic climate change field support the consensus that is funded by the mega bucks of the government/ NGO's/ corporate CAGW heavy industry, Edward. They find endless mitigation schemery by the hypocritical mouthful most profitable, while at the same time being responsible for much higher per capita emissions than those they seek to corral and control through behavioral modification taxation. JL said mitigation wasn't likely minus the profit motive. I invite him to do a thorough investigation of this most foul industry.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
I invite him to do a thorough investigation of this most foul industry.

Like you I suppose? Tell me rick, are your detective skills out of a cereal box too?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
Better than where yours come from Brewasky....


Your ASS!
WBraun

climber
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
When I was in Jakarta, Indonesia I watched 1000 guys in loincloths with straw baskets carrying dirt make their first freeway in 100 plus temperature.

They had 1 road grader.

Americans .... lazy overly spoiled stupid ass people .....
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
Fukedinthebrainmental
Maybe we should have all individually swum to Normandy in 1944. Or perhaps, if we'd wanted an interstate highway, we should have each done our own part and paved our driveways. Prisons? Hell if we want to incarcerate felons we should each put one in the basement. You want an iron skillet? Mine your own ore! Right?

And what does any of the above getting your ass beat by your spouse again rage post have to do with ...

The fact that all Electrical Power/Energy in the U.S. comes from Privately owned Power Sources and Grids. As well as all the fuel stations that the American people pump petrol into their vehicles.

Not one of the above is owned, managed by or directly regulated in any way by.... The U.S. Gov't.

The EPA's latest sly trick of hand is presently being reviewed by the Supreme Court. $10 says they deem it unconstitutional and remove the latest EPA's back doored Coal Fired PP mandate.



Supply and Demand/Free Market.


Make biodiesel more readily available and cheaper, it will stimulate the auto manufactures here to do as the Euro's are beginning to do. Produce more BD compatible vehicles. Same goes with CNG as Rick S keeps singing.

I am actually considering getting one of these after a couple of seasons to see how it works out. Be the first kid on the block to have one. Waiting to see if Ducati comes out with a Superbike version next year.

Ducati Diesel Monster 1078



The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 29, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
starting salaries for environmental scientists with a bachelor's degree are $38,090/year and average $68,810/year...

How about with a PhD.


Chiloe?





PS: Hansen was receiving a $180K per year tax payer funded salary for the lat six years of his position as the Head of GISS, NASA. Of which he now receives 88% (plus full medical/dental) of that for the rest of his life as retirement. Do the math.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Sure Ed, but DOE is only one department of government that funding is funneled through. Missing from the budgets of multitudes of government bureacracies, providing funding to this monster, is ear marks like exposed in this article. Scroll down the article to the list- 600 million for climate change research. Now, this small contribution to climate change studies many billions in multi sourced fundings will really encourage study independent of "the consensus", wont it?

http://www.mrc.org/articles/hurricane-sandy-relief-networks-attack-gop-mention-pork-only-15-time
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Ricks information sources.... the reliably idiotic Free Republic:

Recovery Act spent over 600 million dollars on climate change research; billions on GHG mitigation

A gem from the link:

To be fair, some of this spending would have benefits other than simply reducing GHG emissions. However, the stated goal of this spending is reduced emissions, NOT the creation of jobs or the stimulation of the economy. Reducing emissions does not create jobs.


Some insight into this "news" source:
Free Republic is a wingnut message board focusing primarily on United States politics. It is particularly known for its regular posters (generally known as freepers, and not to be confused with readers of the Detroit Free Press newspaper), who have a reputation for being bigoted, pseudoconservative, uninformed loudmouths somewhat to the right of Fox News. Free Republic is considered, from a rationalist perspective, to be just about as reliable a news source as WorldNetDaily, and a great deal battier.

In response to a photo depicting President Barack Obama's daughter Malia wearing a peace sign T-shirt, Freepers began talking trash such as calling Malia a "street whore" and even speculated when she'd get her first abortion.

Repeating FreePers BS is big sport among the wingnut-rightwing-doochenut trifecta:

But they won't link to the complete AAAS report on research allocations for 2011. But I will.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:44am PT
Just more of your Liberal Bias Opinionated Scientism Blog shet FARTMENTAL, American Association for the Advancement of Science.

Nice.








The electricity sector of the United States includes a large array of stakeholders that provide services through electricity generation, transmission, distribution and marketing for industrial, commercial, public and residential customers.

There were also 65 power marketers. Of all utilities, 2,020 were publicly owned (including 10 Federal utilities), 932 were rural electric cooperatives, and 243 were investor-owned utilities. The electricity transmission network is not owned by individual utilities, but by Independent System Operators or Regional Transmission Organizations, which are not-for-profit organizations that are obliged to provide indiscriminate access to various suppliers in order to promote competition. They are associated in the North American Electric Reliability Corporation and are typically jointly owned by the utilities in their service area.

The electricity transmission network is not owned by individual utilities, but by Independent System Operators or Regional Transmission Organizations, which are not-for-profit organizations that are obliged to provide indiscriminate access to various suppliers in order to promote competition. They are associated in the North American Electric Reliability Corporation and are typically jointly owned by the utilities in their service area.


10 out of 3195 Utility Co's in the US are Federal Utilities. The rest of the 3185 are Public/Privately owned and operated.




The Petroleum Industry in the United States is privately owned.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 30, 2013 - 12:57am PT
Both Rick and Chuff would hate this guy on a number of levels

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/The+Current/ID/2414795377/


First of all, his allegiance to the sacred torch of laissez faire Capitalism is no longer absolute, in the face of facts demonstrated by the recent recession. 2nd, his ideology follows facts, not the other way around. 3rd, his favorite motto is "when the facts change, I change".

4rth - and by far the greatest crime yet - he now advocates for government regulation of financial markets for the purpose of supporting the precautionary principle.

Yes Alan Greenspan, former admirer of the ravings of Ayn Rand and chief architect of the past thirty odd years of US financial deregulation is apparently not prone to ignoring fact which destroys the basis upon which his entire lifes work rests.

but you try explaining such a concept to chuff or Rick and you risk ruining the story line in "Brave heart".
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:03am PT
you risk ruining the story line in "Brave heart".

And what was the Brewasky?







Oh yeah.... "FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM" from the tyrannical grips of the British King and his Rule.



he now advocates for government regulation of financial markets for the purpose of supporting the precautionary principle.

How does that relate to the Power Grid and Petroluem because he never once speaks about them nor are they in his new book regarding his opinion on the future of the financial markets.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 30, 2013 - 01:11am PT
Pretty weak Ed, hiding behind the skirts of legislative language and not even all of it at that.

Bruce, that Ayn Rand disciple was an ignoramus at best, the criminal of the century at worst, between is nothing i ever saw as admirable.

Chief, you need to put a backup prevention valve on your sewage line to keep the turds from climbing back out to the surface. When you flush them they should be gone, for good.
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