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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:08am PT
Consider the very "SUSPECT" gov't (GISS) SOURCE the EPA gets it's numbers from.


http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/images/indicator_figures/temperature-figure1-2013.gif


GISS's US Surface Mean Temp Graph in 1998 then suddenly, the GISS pumps it all up in 1999.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/fig1x.gif




This is an update of Figure 8 in Hansen et al. (1999).
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:21am PT
graph's not BIG ENOUGH to be true.


Thanks for concurring with me. VANILLAICET.


GISS in 1998.



Again, here is the source.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/fig1x.gif


Gotta love that magical "smoothing" affect that suddenly occurred in 1999.


Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:29am PT

Credit: Wade Icey
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:36am PT

This graph shows the percentage of the land area of the contiguous 48 states with unusually hot daily high and low temperatures during the months of June, July, and August. The thin lines represent individual years, while the thick lines show a nine-year weighted average. Red lines represent daily highs, while orange lines represent daily lows. The term "unusual" is based on the long-term average conditions at each location. Data source: NOAA, 2013


This graph shows the percentage of the land area of the contiguous 48 states with unusually cold daily high and low temperatures during the months of December, January, and February. The thin lines represent individual years, while the thick lines show a nine-year weighted average. Blue lines represent daily highs, while purple lines represent daily lows. The term "unusual" is based on the long-term average conditions at each location.
Data source: NOAA, 2013
















Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:39am PT


Credit: Robo Geisha
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:41am PT
....and for the knock-out:

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:46am PT
I was at a party last night with a lot of brilliant minds. movie directors, publishers... mostly these folks work on documentaries and part of the discussion was on GCC and ocean acidification. I contrast that discussion with the arguments that people like The Chuff are making and I just laugh.

The deniers will be insignificant soon enough.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 19, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Thanks FORTMENTAL for showing us and fully concurring that the NOAA and

GISS's data prior to 1999, was totally INACCURATE at best.

That of course included all the same Satellite data that it/they both currently have.



Again, here is the source:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/fig1x.gif








Still waiting on that email from ya FRUITCAKEMENTAL regarding the viscosity

deterioration protocols for semi-synthetic, fully synthetic AND petroleum based motor oils.


mostly these folks work on documentaries


Kinda like these folks did, huh Nature?





Got it.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 19, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Hey look, Forts back with his higher edumacated artwork.


The SPOUSE must have beaten your ass, AGAIN, then totally kicked you out of the house last night.

OR!!!

Was that one created on your recent Vacation Trip to Europe
where you spent more time thinking of me than your spouse??


OR!

They let you back on the computer at the SANDAI NATIONAL LABS where you clean the toilets for them WMD manufacturing dudes.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 19, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Mentalcase are those graphs all the better the global hysteria industry could do with 80 billion dollars of public money just since 2008? With that kind of cash why have they allowed five severe European winters in a row, the arctic ice cap to rebound, the latest ever measured start to spring in mid to high latitudes, 100,000;s of livestock deaths from hypothermia, cold temp records outpacing hot temp records nearly 2 to 1, the near cessation of twister turnings, the absolute absence of hurricanes, the torrential endings of droughts in one supposed permanent drought area after the other, an unusually low forest fire incident year, and this is largely in America. The rest of the globe is likewise acting counter to the CAGW hypothesis. Eighty billion dollars to manipulate data, what a waste, with that kind of cash they should have engineered conforming weather. Then you guys wouldn't have had to rollout phony graphs and sketchy papers interpreting mechanisms and trends, one after the other, to try to convince an ever shrinking audience of your hypothesis' relevance. Show results not paper.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 19, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Yup on that Rick!!

Amazing how before this whole WARMING hysteria was just a tiny blip on the industrial Green Machine, 1999>, the truth was the code.



http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/fig1x.gif



Then after the Hansen Boys at NASA realized the money could be had, well,

you get the bullshet propaganda that MONO and MENTAL keep posting.


MMGW INDUSTRIAL GISS SMOOOOOTHIES!

In 2011, 1937 gets dropped down below the level in the 1999 data of 1.5. And. 1999 gets a nice bump.... up!


http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.D.gif
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 19, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Rick...I liked the pictures of the houses you built but you ripped those off from the Pimp this House web site..Nice try...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 19, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
What the hell are you talking about oh rotten one. I've never posted any pictures of the hundreds of homes I've built or pictures of anything to do with my business. This thread is about AGW not home building.
new world order2

climber
Oct 19, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Ed, Chiloe, and others....please consider viewing this vid?
Is this how you want mankind to live? For starters, no private vehicles, meat-free diets, no private land ownership.

Agenda 21, in a nutshell...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFsoRQYpFM
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 19, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
Well EDH, what part of the CA 2013 Residential Compliance Standards have you

http://www.energy.ca.gov/2013publications/CEC-400-2013-001/CEC-400-2013-001-CMF.pdf

personally applied to your residence to make it more energy efficient in
order to be an active participant in the solution and NOT remain as a statistical component of and contributor to the problem?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 19, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
all fart fans in bathrooms must be retrofitted with a series of filters with no outside venting. Methane reduction at its best. Filters require hazmat endorsements to be moved to a storage facility.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 19, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Wow, chuffer can't even read the graphs he posts. Seriously, I have a hard time believing ANYONE could be that stupid, even chuff nuts.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 19, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Of COURSE WESTEDPHDBOY.

Now, try again.


Reading that is.






Hansen and his GISS boys called it.. SMOOTHING.


Oh how convenient of him and his GISS lot to lower 1937 and then raise 1999 in the 2011 data.

This should help your PhD eyes....



This here is Jim Hansens write up in 1999

By James Hansen, Reto Ruedy, Jay Glascoe and Makiko Sato — August 1999

What's happening to our climate? Was the heat wave and drought in the Eastern United States in 1999 a sign of global warming?

Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought. The drought of 1999 covered a smaller area than the 1988 drought, when the Mississippi almost dried up. And 1988 was a temporary inconvenience as compared with repeated droughts during the 1930s "Dust Bowl" that caused an exodus from the prairies, as chronicled in Steinbeck's Grapes of Wrath.

How can the absence of clear climate change in the United States be reconciled with continued reports of record global temperature? Part of the "answer" is that U.S. climate has been following a different course than global climate, at least so far. Figure 1 compares the temperature history in the U.S. and the world for the past 120 years. The U.S. has warmed during the past century, but the warming hardly exceeds year-to-year variability. Indeed, in the U.S. the warmest decade was the 1930s and the warmest year was 1934. Global temperature, in contrast, had passed 1930s values by 1980 and the world has warmed at a remarkable rate over the last 25 years.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/

This of course was delivered BEFORE he and his boys "smoothed" the data the following year, 2000-2002, in lowering 1937 and pumping up 1999.

That then changed the whole trend here in the United States
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 19, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
Well Edward, first off CO2 should be taken off the pollutant list since it's efficacy as an atmospheric trap for IR doesn't work nearly as neatly as in the lab considering the multitudes of negative feedbacks, considered, unconsidered, unknown, that affect the real world. Earth is not Venus, nor could ever become in time scales less than geologic, since we are not subject to 60-70 % more solar radiation, have no where near the level of volcanism, have a very active water cycle that scrubs the atmosphere unlike Venus which never had oceans, have a major satellite, have a rapid rotation rate with a variable axial tilt which provides seasons, don't have a day length approaching year length, and because of all the above will never have an atmosphere of the density of Venus ( 92 X earth pressure). Atmospheric density, proximity to Sol, and extent of a water cycle have a much higher role in greenhouse conditions than the content of it's chemistry. So let's take this extreme scenario off the table along with anything else other than the reality of observation that points to a total rise of no more than 2 degrees. Along with this, let's get rid of your short sighted carbon tax as a remedy for an imagined problem that simply does not exist.

The above being said, let's get into the real problem of rampant consumerism psyche. The carrot of a consumption tax coupled with elimination of the punitive income tax is the most effective way to promote conservation. By conservation I am not talking about the extreme green vision but more in line with that espoused by Teddy Roosevelt. A very broad based consumption tax (sales tax)would encourage savings and responsibility for ones old age rather than borrowing from tomorrow to expend today, both monies and raw resources. Your carbon tax would only invite consumption bubbles in other realms you have not even imagined yet. And what is the reason for it anyway? Do you imagine that scientists that helped implement it through the CAGW farce would get a continuing and expanding cut of the pie in perpetuity? If so you are sadly mistaken. Science will never be allowed a coequal seat at the big government table, it is just a means to it's self serving ends and when the means becomes an inconvenience rather than a resource to be used for gaining more power would be shuffled to the sidelines if not defunded altogether.

Housing space heating and cooling efficiency, lighting, and appliance energy use has come a long ways in the last quarter century. Most states have adopted energy efficiency standards (BEE's) as the technologies have matured. The average home of today uses 60% less energy per Sq. Ft. than 25 years ago by some estimates. This adds up to a lot of consumption deferred since residential use is about 25% of the total usage. Up here in the great white north we pay great attention to sealing the buildings interior air/vapor barrier to as close as possible air tightness then mechanically ventilate via heat/air exchangers in balance to achieve the proscribed air changes per hour. We also superinsulate compared to the standard of the lower 48.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 19, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
This here is Jim Hansens write in 1999

Wow, fuking genius!
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