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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 24, 2014 - 10:02am PT
One of the benefits of the recently completed global warming phase is that the receding mountain glaciers have revealed ample evidence of much warmer periods of the Holocene. In Alaska and Europe many remnants of high altitude ancient forests, ranging from 1000 to 8000 years b.p. have been documented. These tree lines could only have formed in prolonged ice free and much warmer periods than the current warm period. We may never know the extent of this former warm periods since the ice is once again primed for advancement.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 24, 2014 - 10:08am PT
A new independent, non-partisan report is laying it on the line for policy makers and businesses in the United States: taking a cautious, business-as-usual approach - so often favoured by businesses and government in times of risk and uncertainty - is, in fact, radical risk-taking when it comes to climate change, and the U.S. economy faces the potential for significant and widespread disruptions from climate change unless there is immediate action.

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/new-independent-report-calls-climate-change-risky-business-for-us-economy-and-canadian-businesses-and-government-should-take-notice-too/30191/


http://riskybusiness.org/

Climate Change Report Warns of Economic Tidal Wave in U.S.
http://time.com/2917212/risky-business-climate-change-paulson/


If you are like the typical American, then you think climate change is a real problem, but you’re not clamoring for action. Yes, you’ve heard that the planet is getting warmer—that the sea levels are rising and, somewhere, storms probably getting worse. But it’s not something that you imagine happening to you, in your state and in your town.

For the officials and advocates trying to fight climate change, this is a huge problem. By the time people realize they have a personal stake in the environment—that it’s their own neighborhoods, livelihoods, and businesses at stake—it will be too late to act.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118326/report-details-economic-impacts-climate-change



http://www.forbes.com/sites/mindylubber/2014/06/24/risky-business-ups-the-ante-on-climate-change/

http://www.npr.org/2014/06/24/325073881/latest-climate-change-report-paints-dire-picture-for-business
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 24, 2014 - 10:15am PT

*Record heat: Month of May is hottest on Earth**


WASHINGTON — Driven by exceptionally warm ocean waters, Earth smashed a record for heat in May and is likely to keep on breaking high temperature marks, experts say.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Monday said May’s average temperature on Earth of 59.93 degrees Fahrenheit (15.54 degrees Celsius) beat the old record set four years ago. In April, the globe tied the 2010 record for that month. Records go back to 1880.

May was especially hot in parts of Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Spain, South Korea and Australia, while the United States was not close to a record, just 1 degree warmer than the 20th century average. However, California is having a record hot first five months of the year, a full 5 degrees above normal.

Georgia Tech climate scientist Kim Cobb and other experts say there’s a good chance global heat records will keep falling, especially next year because an El Nino weather event is brewing on top of man-made global warming. An El Nino is a warming of the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean that alters climate worldwide and usually spikes global temperatures.

Ocean temperatures in May also set a record for the month. But an El Nino isn’t considered in effect till the warm water changes the air and that hasn’t happened yet, NOAA said.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nation-and-world/record-heat-month-may-hottest-earth

raymond phule

climber
Jun 24, 2014 - 12:08pm PT

I like how they don't clarify that the record is for the month of May.

haha

They only wrote it several times but I guess that without caps and bold that it is not clear enough.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 24, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
California Drought Turning Central Valley Farmland Into Dust Bowl

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/06/24/california-drought-turning-central-valley-farmland-into-dust-bowl-kcbs-cover-story/
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 24, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/06/24/if-all-you-see-1170/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 24, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
The choice is apparent to all but the most extreme head-in-the-sand idealogues: We can learn from science and from the mistakes of the past, take on the “climate bubble” now, and unleash the power of innovation to spur the next industrial revolution. Or we can continue ignoring science and face a devastating “carbon crash” that will ravage the world far more than the recent economic crash — and irreversibly so.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/06/22/3451687/hank-paulson-climate-crash-carbon-tax/
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 25, 2014 - 05:57am PT
The industrial revolution and attendant population explosion is killing the earth. We're all on this train, 1st, 2nd and 3rd world; humanity, calamity. Can we get off this train?

No.

Will it crash?

YES.

The current numbers cannot be sustained.

What's a working man and father to do? Lay down and die? Disconnect and move to a compound? Make small and inconsequential behavior changes (knowing they will do no good in the grand scheme)?

Its very easy to get pessimistic. Frankly if this CO2 thing doesn't get us, some other self-loaded problem will. The petrie dish is getting full.

DMT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 25, 2014 - 08:44am PT
I like how they don't clarify that the record is for the month of May.

I don't know where you're looking Sketch (up your a*# maybe?), but I see them stating "May" in the headlines of the articles I've read.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 25, 2014 - 08:47am PT
Judging from 2 (so far) of the 4 global surface-temperature indexes, May 2014 was the warmest May on record. That's only one month, however, and of course record-setting events are by definition extreme. What's more notable is the large pattern: record-setting global warm temperatures have become more commonplace, while record-setting global cool temperatures were last seen ... when? Out of curiosity I drew this graph of monthly NOAA temperatures from 1/1880 through 5/2014. No month has set a cool record since the late 19th or early 20th century; all have set warm records within the past few decades if not the past few years.



The upward trends you see in each graph are not El Nino oscillations, they are not solar cycles, nor Force X From Outer Space. None of those things are climbing. Rather the trends seen for every month in this graph reflect the well-known radiative effects of greenhouse gas buildup.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 25, 2014 - 08:51am PT
What's a working man and father to do?


Dingus, that's heartfelt post for sure.


Do we all turn into prepers, stock load weapons and food? I have a good buddy who is doing just that. He's growing a garden to support himself. But, is that a life, living in the after-world?

Today I see stories on the militarization of the police, and the five-year bell for our oceans.


What is our end game? I say screw it, I'm going out to have a latte.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jun 25, 2014 - 09:38am PT
I look forward to your whining about me

first clear statement of your beliefs. good work.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 25, 2014 - 11:32am PT
he's adapting his old still so he can drink his piss
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jun 25, 2014 - 11:46am PT
Try to keep up.

I can't think of anything more boring, mundane or predictable than keeping up with the sketch show.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jun 25, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
Climate Change Influences on Marine Infectious Diseases:
Implications for Management and Society
http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/harvell/Welcome_files/Burge%20et%20al%202014%20ARMS%20in%20advance.pdf
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jun 25, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
I'm inspired by your expertise in the field of ignorance, sketch.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 25, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
No Chiloe. The big picture of what you see there is the rise out of the LIA. As far as continuing monthly high records; it requires continuous adjustments of the past record (among Ither reasons to conform with model hindcasts) as well heavily weighted infilling (cowtan & way ) for missing data and your forte of statistical manipulation to justify. You are representing the missing heat is not missing camp of the many explanations for the hiatus. CO2 predominate forcing was represented to cause a monotonous linear rise in global average temps, which hasn't been forgotten. As poll after poll confirms; because of a combination of constant cry wolf alarmism that always proves false, exposure of charlatans in climate gate, and the well established fact of the nearly 18 year hiatus in global warming , the public is not buying the CAGW narrative.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 25, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
Good ol' k-man... always leading with the ad hom.


Where is the ad hom attack Sketch? Turning paranoid??




Got any more false accusations? Or are you out of your allotment for the day (so many! I think maybe you broke your own record).
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jun 25, 2014 - 02:16pm PT
Rick, you've got a few sciency-sounding words in there but you're babbling. Not one sentence is true or even shows you understand what those words mean.

Which reminds me, how are you coming on finding that "majority" of climate scientists who support your declaration that global temperatures fell by 6 (or was it more?) degrees at the onset of the Younger Dryas?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 25, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
Sciency words Chiloe? I don't think so, sounds more like an indictment. Just like Canada, Russia, Australia, India and other nations have realized; the CAGW narrative and prescribed treatment is a crime against the populace if not against nature that they purport to want to protect. Judging by the amount of talk of subsidy reductions ,or total abandonment coming out of Europe , pols there are reversing course before their governments are voted out of office just like Australia. One can hope that realizing the same, this becomes a defining issue driving a large american turnout to dump the advocates of this crime here, before the socialist wet dreams does as much damage as in Europe.
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