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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 25, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
There was a website some time ago.[the early 90's]

Its name , 40 square miles .

It was taken down,to me ,still mysteriously.

The website EXPLAINED that 40 sq.miles of solar running could supply the entire grid.
20sq. in the east,20sq. in the west.

All existing power plants could be turned off.Dams removed .Coal no longer viable.

The website was produced by some top knotch scientists/engineers.

I wish I could reference any of it.

Utopian dreaming ,maybe.But that would have far less impact than what exists today.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 25, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
Ron ,probably about as transparent as BP was in the Gulf,aye?

France,the most progressive energy system in the world.Shure they pay for it now,but their price is always going down as it is paid off.

Ask a Frenchman the next time one is out your way. ha ha.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
40 sq miles of solar? According to recent findings, it take 3500 acres to power 200,00 + homes. Not industrial elec supplies by any stretch either- that im assuming is 110 and 220.

That would be cool, i agree. But a wee far fetched.


edit And YEs France is sophisticated Wilbeer --Nuclear power eh..Thats a bad word here.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 25, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
200,00 + homes

How many?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
forgive me i neglected to put the last zero in,, 200,000 homes.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 25, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Nearly 60 homes per acre ain't bad. What's your gripe?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 25, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
One other thing,all of you deniers,I should be twice as pissed at you and all your RW misinformation regarding solar.

You are indirectly harshing my gig.

Even with substantial subsides,solar does not sell well.

My first installs were in 83,Carter was in office.I thought solar was going to take off then.

We all know what has happened since.

If you think I am just pissing down your back and then telling you it is raining,below is a copy of my electric bill[s] in the last 12 years.


























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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 25, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Norton you almost are a replacement Chef.

I laughed hardly,hahaha.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
Yes i too laughed,, hardly ... Snort!
cliffhanger

Trad climber
California
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
"According to a January 2013 Media Matters report, not a single climate scientist appeared as a guest on the influential Sunday morning television talk shows during the previous four years, nor were any climate scientists quoted. Most of those invited to speak on global warming were either media figures or politicians, but, among the politicians, not a single one was a Democrat. Climate change deniers on the shows went unchallenged. The nightly news shows had somewhat more coverage, and most of that was driven by extreme weather events, according to the report. But this coverage, too, was biased: 60 percent of the politicians on the air were Republicans."

Why the Corporate Media's Climate Change Censorship Is Only Half the Story

http://truth-out.org/news/item/19493-why-the-corporate-medias-climate-change-censorship-is-only-half-the-story
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/10/25/if-all-you-see-931/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Cliffhanger ,that was a fantastic article.

Pretty much what has been said here all along,by some.

Careful ,they will be calling you names.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
wilbeer is right - the clown car is heading your direction.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
Well that article that cliffhanger posted is slightly biased eh?


And this:
"Each of these shifts improves our chances of stabilizing the climate, and most of them have multiple benefits: they improve health, clean up air and water, improve community life, create new economic opportunities, and promote equity. And some do all of these at once."



"Chances of STABILIZING the climate"??????????


The climates have NEVER been "stable" and its utter folly to think we should even TRY to "stabilize it". Nature has never been stagnant.

So what do they mean by "stabilize" - a flat line of CO2 and temps?> Aint gonna happen. Even the flat line of temps now isnt corresponding to the CO2.



wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 25, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
Nature,the vision of the clown car in my head is cracking me up.

Hilarious!

I will be in CO a couple times this winter,let me know if you want help telemarking.cheers
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 25, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Been a long day guys. I believe Chiloe wanted me to cite some papers to back up the claim that their are plenty of studies showing warmth all around the arctic exceeding today's temps. I guess chiloe and his compatriots are truly ignorant of the incredible resources available to us realists on the blogs they so hate. So guys chew on this wonderful resource for a while.

http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/dont-panic-the-arctic-has-survived-warmer-temperatures-in-the-past/
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 25, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
No, Rick, you ducked the question. Read it again.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
WTF Larry-did you follow up and read any of the actual papers? As far as criteria, i don't give a fk if the papers counter to the phony consensus meet the more stringent standards since they don't support the position of turning the world upside down into a self inflicted dark age. Where is Baffin Island in relation to Greenland ,Larry ,and what kind of peer review do you think this desperate long shot paper received?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
Rick....Stick to building homes and leave PHD. science to the professionals...RJ
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
Ducking again Rick, I don't think you fool anybody here except you.
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