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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Hey W-Rhino,, how many FAs you been on the last two months?? Im guessing zilch nadda, and zippohwwww close?


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
Returning from a hard days work i see you guys are once again drifting hopelessly off topic into non productive insult hurling.

My ears are burning. Ron, once again thanks but no thanks, i'm quite capable of kicking these guys asses on my own.

Bruce you are correct about it being 9/10ths of the fun,sometimes anyway. I didn't know you were a homosexual, not that there is anything wrong with that-credit Jerry Seinfeld 2000. I never impersonated a scientist, just represented my interpretation of the science i have seen on this subject. That is still a basic human right even in this day and age,eh?

Sketch you're taking the high road-that's good. Below is a link to an interesting presentation to the Russian academy of science from solar scientist Habillo Abdusmatov. All of you realists out there should take a good read of it. It was updated in 2009 and makes predictions, some of which are pretty spot on.

Ed, you have a love of teaching science. I, for one appreciate it because in an eon or two it will lend capability to countering your arguments. To bad you have the opposite ideology, sort of like the wiki link below. And for the second time here is also a link to protests by those falsely counted as pro-AGW in the Cook et al paper.

http://ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/apr/article/view/14754/10140

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/06/18/climate-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/

Thanks Werner. Just fixed the links above. Try again if interested-the first one has to be downloaded as PDF
WBraun

climber
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
rick sumner -- "i'm quite capable of kicking these guys asses on my own."

Kicking asses is easy.

We have a whole coral full of em here.

We just fed them 7 bales of hay.

But to present good intelligence is something quite different .....

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Hey Wiley Rhino, climber of the classics,, how many guides have you written?


And how many areas did you establish??

Surely a classic climber like you venture forth into the unknown yes? No?


I know a lot of guys in Texas.. They sure as heck dont act like you..Are you a "SNAG" in Texas?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
What is it with Ron and his desire to compare penises every chance he gets?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
Talk of HOT air.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Wasnt ME insisting upon it MEHssy .. Better REview....

It was the Texas turd,, son of flubber, Wiley (the C word) Rhino...


After making SEVERAL on topic attempts and just getting dypshyts trolling,, yes,, screw the topic.. This is about disdain 100%...


Climate change is a scam-- your all retards,, there. Simple eh.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 14, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
Yes, my all retards.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 14, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Yes, all my retards

Irony is futile.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 14, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
To tell you the truth Ed, i didn't do much more than glance at the Cook paper. I don't trust much of anything purported to substantiate CAGW, especially the b.s. idea of a consensus on solely anthro causes. You, my friend should be looking a little at the astrophysicists papers. Things are turning around, the sixth straight severe Euopean winter start, hundreds dead from cold in S.A., hundreds of thousands of livestock frozen in S.A. and now South Dakota, the historically long mid to upper latitude winter of 2013, Antartic ice mass increasing, the Arctic ice in recovery. Hell , what will it take for you to see the light- the Thames and San Francisco Bay frozen solid? Give the Sun and it's myriad of known and unknown amplifiers a little credit, after all our efforts are a little feeble compared to it's natural variability, no?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 15, 2013 - 12:33am PT
riley i'm old and my eyes are fukt. where is the lower left praytell?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 15, 2013 - 01:52am PT
Just tuned in again after chores.

My god Wyna, we bow at your feet. You are without a doubt the hottest climber , physician, and now climate warrior to ever grace the planet.Where can we give proper thanks to your resplendent presence here.

At one time there was such a thing as a hippocratic oath. How can such a superior being as yourself stoop to the level of treating common mortals? Sketch used an inappropriate word towards Ed, but to you it fits to the tee-TURD.

Ed, .9c might well be out of the range of typical yearly or decadal global temp variability , but in a 150 year period coming out of the pronounced dip of the LIA it is unremarkable. On a 4.5 billion year old Earth 30 years is perhaps way little of an interval to call "Climate" rather than short term trends. For a real idea of climate trends why don't we consider the whole Holocene from deglaciation,to Younger Dryas, to Holocene optimum, to roman warming, to the Dark ages, to the medieval Warm period, to the little ice age, and finally to the recent modest warming. I believe the other 50%, other than setting volcanism at zero, was either reduced climate sensitivity to co2 doubling or solar variability from maximum activity to greatly reduced. Don't quote me, just from thinking out loud from memory.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 15, 2013 - 10:17am PT
Look in the mirror Wyna. Pull yourself together. Try first to do no harm.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 15, 2013 - 10:28am PT
hahahaaa... the hubris is strong in this one... first using his 3rd grade math and science skills and blogshit to argue science with those who have spent a good deal of their lives studying it... then a feeble attempt to remind the charitable Dr. Wyna of the Hippocratic Oath.

What a fuking idiot that Sumner guy is.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 15, 2013 - 10:46am PT
Its always quite amusing when a typical Chuffian Ayn Rand survival of the fittest type complains about blood lust when a limp wristed librul type executes a coupe de gras.

Don't get your panties all twisted Rick. Better a hypocratic Oath than a hypocritical Oaf.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 15, 2013 - 10:46am PT
Although our ST denialists lack the reading and numerical skills to understand the Cook et al. paper, not everyone is so impaired -- more than 100,000 downloads so far.

Below is their wrapup, which speaks directly to some claims often made on this forum (emphasis added).

5. Conclusion

The public perception of a scientific consensus on AGW is a necessary element in public support for climate policy (Ding et al 2011). However, there is a significant gap between public perception and reality, with 57% of the US public either disagreeing or unaware that scientists overwhelmingly agree that the earth is warming due to human activity (Pew 2012).

Contributing to this 'consensus gap' are campaigns designed to confuse the public about the level of agreement among climate scientists. In 1991, Western Fuels Association conducted a $510 000 campaign whose primary goal was to 'reposition global warming as theory (not fact)'. A key strategy involved constructing the impression of active scientific debate using dissenting scientists as spokesmen (Oreskes 2010). The situation is exacerbated by media treatment of the climate issue, where the normative practice of providing opposing sides with equal attention has allowed a vocal minority to have their views amplified (Boykoff and Boykoff 2004). While there are indications that the situation has improved in the UK and USA prestige press (Boykoff 2007), the UK tabloid press showed no indication of improvement from 2000 to 2006 (Boykoff and Mansfield 2008).

The narrative presented by some dissenters is that the scientific consensus is '...on the point of collapse' (Oddie 2012) while '...the number of scientific "heretics" is growing with each passing year' (Allègre et al 2012). A systematic, comprehensive review of the literature provides quantitative evidence countering this assertion. The number of papers rejecting AGW is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 15, 2013 - 11:12am PT
The narrative presented by some dissenters is that the scientific consensus is '...on the point of collapse' (Oddie 2012) while '...the number of scientific "heretics" is growing with each passing year'



Rick - this is your big chance to make the break from damp proofing foundations in some Wasilla muck pit! You could be writing for the British Tabloids as an "American Conservative Intellectual" or maybe get a weekly skype spot for Sun News. You could even position yourself so the scenic grandeur of the Alaskan wilderness of meth labs and atco trailers is prominently displayed like Sarah made so popular on Fuked Newz. Just think.... hobnobbing with luminaries like Lord Bunkton and Ezra Levant about everything from the the white supremacy revival to climate change caused by Arks on the moon. Your arthritic joints need a well deserved break from that misery you guys call weather up there. Why do you think Sarah bolted? When opportunity knocks you gotta jump man.

Or gang up with Ron down in mound Pie...

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 15, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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Credit: Wade Icey

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 15, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Cant for the life of me see why you guys deny reality.

They said CO2 was the driver of temperatures, yet co2 has marched on without its buddy temperature.




Recently San Diego’s Lynceans group hosted a global warming debunking seminar in which several speakers highlighted effective debate tactics for global warming skeptics.


In particular, distinguished scientist Dr. Roger Cohen offered up a three-point approach for those wishing to engage and debate:

The Global Warming Alarmist’s “Appeal to Authority” – This seems to be the first line of defense for global warming advocates. They often appeal to their authority by citing ‘irrefutable evidence’, ‘consensus’ and such to assert authority and stifle debate. Recently, 31,000 climate scientists have signed the Petition Project. Also, top international climate scientists recently sent the United Nations a petition that challenges the UN’s global warming agenda. Settled science? Not hardly.

Global Warming’s “Precautionary Principles” – Global warming alarmists typically ignore the economic ramifications of drastic legislative measures. Yale’s Professor of Economics, William Nordhaus performed a study disproving draconian state-directed global warming initiatives, showing that simply ‘doing nothing’ would have the same effect over the next 50 years as extreme government action would.

This point begs a question – should Americans allow our economy to be potentially crippled and hyper-regulated due to the oft-chance inevitable collision of some lumbering asteroid in a galaxy far, far, away? In many ways global warming proponents are advocating just that.
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The Alarmist “Pure Anger” Approach “ - This occurrence is an emotional, visceral display that shows skeptics are winning the day. It’s a common feature of debate — a citizen dares to question the validity of the global warming religiosity and is castigated as a “flat-earther” or other variety of pejorative. Dr. Cohen’s advice for the Pure Anger approach is to simply ignore and revel in the fact that it is the surest sign that global warming advocates are losing the debate.
**

The instructions above come in handy if the vampirious, multi-headed monster knows as Cap and Trade appears in Congress again. California residents also can use this information against opponents of Proposition 23.

Skeptics most likely won’t get any airtime on MSNBC or The New York Times but you can take it to the streets, your college campus and even around the dinner table with familial global warming kool-aid drinkers.

As the summer and global warming rhetoric heats up – it pays to know the correct course of discourse.

Tim Daniel is a small business owner and entrepreneur who currently lives in San Diego, C



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/13/global-warming-lies-damn-lies-and-easy-rebuttals/#ixzz2hnvEGCJd
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 15, 2013 - 11:31am PT
Wrong, Anderson. The planet continues to warm as CO2 rises.

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