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raymond phule

climber
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:35am PT

Apparently, some of the alarmists are okay with blatant lies.

It's good for the cause, eh?

Blatant lies? You know that the IPCC report are more than a couple of paragraphs with conclusions?
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:40am PT
So, it's okay for headlines to be flatout lies if the story doesn't confirm them?

Is that how far we've fallen? That scientists can practice yellow journalism?

For years, we've been hearing "don't listen to Al Gore or other politicians. Listen to the actual researchers". Apparently, they shouldn't be trusted, either.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:40am PT
CHILOE
We've established that Sketch can't read this stuff, and is sure he does not need to.

A perfect example by one of the Climate Science choir leaders that can't cease the bashing.

Larry's got to keep doing all he can to prove his side is right.


In the meantime, he gets into his fossil fuel burning cars, trucks, boats, plane etc and keeps adding to the emissions that he so desperately is trying to prove his point on. Then comes home to his cousey home and office that are both energized by fossil fuel produced energy. Shets and pisses into his toilet that goes down to a public sewer system that requires fossil fuel produced energy to clean up and sucks water from a water utilities water system that does the same.

Nothing gets changed.

But LARRY CHILOE's got to prove he and his ideology are right god damn it!
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:42am PT
Blatant lies? You know that the IPCC report are more than a couple of paragraphs with conclusions?

What's the IPCC report have to do with anything I've said?
raymond phule

climber
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:44am PT

So, it's okay for headlines to be flatout lies if the story doesn't confirm them?

Did you read that article? Did you understand it?

I have just skimmed it but to me it seems like it is his interpretation of the full ipcc report and that the headline is thus not a lie.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:45am PT
nice one chuff. Every blue moon or so Huff n'chuff somehow gets triggered into dropping (momentarily) his bizarre obsessive compulsive fecal fascination with the science he loathes and fears and reveals the remarkable twists of moral logic that drive him into apoplexies of fury.
like "the principle of self reliance". Remember that? no he never did get around to explaining how that moral imperative determines science and i doubt he can twist logic into enough of a pretzel to explain his last revelation:


The SCIENCE world needs not continue to ponder on proving itself right by every 5 or 7 years coming out with studies that increase it's statistical ego in assuring itself what is causing the warming and thus remaining in the problem.

Instead, it could have and now needs to come up with viable and affordable IMMEDIATE solutions that can be applied by ALL humans throughout this planet. Something of which it has failed to do over the last 40 something years with the ongoing back and forth finger pointing argument such as the one that prevails here on this thread, continues. Being which side of the coin is right.

Imposing taxes and fines on the worlds largest energy consumers (being the manufacturing sector) and producers, is not an alternative that motivates change on their part. It just motivates those entities to pass on the financial burdens that are being imposed on them onto the consumers. The common man. In the mean time, the emissions continue to rise and no one does anything to mitigate shet. Business remains as usual on a daily basis globally and no one changes any behavior cus they are only insistently pointing the finger at one another.

he thinks science is a political force! He anthropomorphizes it into a boogyman along the lines of Joseph Stalin or Satan or some other voodoo. No wonder he identifies with the Braunalator so strong - the existence of science as the authoritative process of explaining the natural world dosn't leave a lot of credibility available for the purveyors of voodoo. He imagines "labcoats" as rivals to his witchdoctors!

uh, it ain't lab coats shaking chicken bones and casting tax spells Chuff. That is a job for the wizards of policy, like the high priest of Voodoo economics himself Ronny Raygun. Its up to them wether to use science or chicken bones and its up to you to demand that they do. Believe it or not, science is more like a screw driver than your witch doctor chicken bones.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:48am PT

What's the IPCC report have to do with anything I've said?

Lets see. I think that you have written about lies, ipcc and Dana Nuccitelli on the last pages. Where it someone else?

edit: To be very clear. You said that Nuccitelli lied because he wrote something that you couldn't find verbatim in the ipcc report.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:55am PT
Ideology. This is all about implementing a political and social way of life based on certain ideology. Nothing more.


RICK S's post from last night could not have said it any better!

Well Dr. Ed, may i remind you that if this little debate was being judged by an unbiased and impartial panel ( no thats not DMT) you would already have lost. First, several thousands posts ago when you admitted " the anthropogenic signal is rather feeble compared to natural variability". Second, several hundred posts ago when you fully decloseted your political ideology and in effect said; The era of the individual is over with the limitations of sustainability imposed by our overpopulation. You seem to be of the ideology that human freedom, mobility,choice, even thought should be surrendered to the collective. Now anyone, with any degree of rational thought process, would look at that kind of statement and conclude that you can't seperate the bias of your ideology from the science you practice. Perhaps you have forgotten this, perhaps you don't realize that all incoming observations for you are clouded by your ideological filter, but surely you realize that all analysis and dissemination of this science is heavily tinged by your ideals. You've lost twice professor, i urge you to take off the shet covered glasses and try to get the clear picture of the real world before you are a three time loser.


BREWSKY, your post just continue to reinforce that fact that is bolded in the above statement.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 13, 2013 - 11:58am PT
fuking idiot
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Apparently, some of the alarmists are okay with blatant lies.

Apparently all of the scientists, but many fewer denialists, are able to read.

It's good for the cause, eh?

It's not a cause, it's reality, though it doesn't look like we are smart enough to slow down before the sharp curves ahead.. The "cause" part is coming from you. You started your "liar liar liar" calls against Cook et al. -- a paper you haven't read and apparently can't -- by citing a right-wing journalist, remember? Because he agreed with your cause.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Yes we all saw Ricks diatribe. Fascinating, coming from an avowed ideologue. Yes we all have political ideologies - even those who claim they don't - but tell me again, how is that suppose to determine science? We know that in fact it does for some people such as yourself chuff. We know that because you are certain of the science yet you are incapable of judging the science and by default must resort to trusting the opinion of others, which must cause you some angst considering your absolute allegience to "self reliance".....but anyway, you trust a handful of cranks and loonies and distrust the institutional opinion.

Yes, you are a shining example of a rank ideologue.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Here at Sandia National Labs...

Oh, like the ones that will most likely be shut down here soon due to lack of funding.

Just like EDH's "labs".

FROTALOBOTOME, you are nothing but a mindless whining sheep that needs to be part of the clique to boost his complete lack of self worth.

Obviously stemming from your childhood experiences from NOT getting the attention you so desperately craved.





...you trust a handful of cranks and loonies and distrust the institutional opinion.

Oh that is soooo obvious considering I pay no allegiance to any utility company and rely solely on my own resources here in my home.

Got it.


Like I stated BREWSKY, I do more to mitigate this issue than you ever will on a daily basis.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Let's set the record straight FARTELOBOTOME, I called my Wife from the hills to let her know that I MAY need assistance.

Part of the safety protocol that she and I have in place each and every time I go out that has in fact kept me alive all these years.

Fact is, they (SAR) never came to assist me. I got myself down safely. One of my closest local friends was the Lead SAR on the stand by. I was in contact with him the entire time of my situ. After which he told me out that he was glad I got out of their on my own. He was not mentally prepared to come up where I was as he knew from previous evolution's that my position was one in a "narly area."

Unlike the many threads here on ST and other sites where people are too full of themselves and DO NOT prepare any alternatives when shet hits the fan and ultimately end up... DEAD. Then people need to spend large amounts of time and resources looking for their corpse.

Just goes to show how fuking stoooooooooopid you are. And most assuredly shows you never go out and climb. Just come on these sites and post photos of 30 year ago attempts that always... FAILED.


NICE.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
Are these guys even smart enough to suffer from Dunning-Kroger?

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Credit: RiiiiGHT, Got IT. Nice
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
Well chuff is just an infant. Occasionally he reveals something interesting about his psyche but generally he is just obnoxious. Sumner is the interesting one. He operates on pure deception, gile and illusion... or at least what passes for it in Wasilla. Turns out all you have to do is irritate him just right and all the illusion of the sage student of science routine kind of gets cast aside and the real motive comes out - an abject revulsion for the one thing that challenges his facade of mythology, science. Ed represents everything that is unattainable to him in terms of knowledge as well as the threat it poses to his house of cards that makes his world go round. Its strange that he takes it upon himself to attack Eds character and professional ethics when as has been endlessly demonstrated Ed generally is the least worthy of such criticism.

But it has more to do with Ricks lack there of, as we all know.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Mentalcase, Your place of employ, Sandia/Los Alamos, is the biggest welfare institution for useless scientists on the face of the planet. Probably a good 50% of you there would have no chance of a meaningful career without massive government waste.

I agree with you on one point mentalcase, a feeble signal as in the case of the .01 TSI average fluctuation over a typical schwab cycle can over a prolonged trend add up into meaningful climate change. Case in point is solar cycles 19-23 which were of pronounced high activity-by definition a grand maximum. Cycle 24 and onto 25 or more are forecast to have unusually low activity and might constitute a grand minimum of Dalton or even Maunder proportions. If this happens as forecast several testable effects will occur- one the average global temps will decrease with pronounced cooling over the mid to high latitudes- two the atmospheric content of CO2 should decrease slightly since most of it is caused by liberation from increased surface temps.

The continuation of my DNA is already assured Mentalcase. I have three children, all self supporting, all with degrees from good universities, all working in the private sector. I trust you followed your ideology and failed to procreate thereby extinguishing your miserable line.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 13, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
see what i mean?
dirtbag

climber
Oct 13, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
^^^^^^ D'oh! ^^^^^


The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 13, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
The continuation of my DNA is already assured Mentalcase. I have three children, all self supporting, all with degrees from good universities, all working in the private sector. I trust you followed your ideology and failed to procreate thereby extinguishing your miserable line.

TOUCHE and TOOO FKING PRECISELY FUNNY!!!


Perfect Rick!





DO YOU READ THE SHET YOU POST FORTMENTALASSWIPECASE.





What part of I got myself down on my own and that they did not have to come up and get me did you not understand? What part of I was in contact with the team the entire time did you not understand either.

WOW, just another example how how you just post up shet, distorted it to your liking.

NIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE Frontalmentalcaseasswipe. Niiiiiiiiiice.


And let's add to the SAR OP Synopsis. I did not "slip". I got hit with rock fall on my decent of the 2nd West chute of Navhabe Ridge which in turn triggered an ensuing larger rockfall that my Wife and our neighbor (who in fact is also on the MONO SAR TEAM) saw through the binoc's. Thus assuming I was down for the count and then called SAR after I have spoken to her asking to stand by to contact SAR.

If you have any questions regarding the truth to that, you can contact CASE (he works full time right next door to my office at Wilson's) who was on the Lead POS of the Team and who I was talking to the entire time after he called me.


Again, if you are now going to bash me for having contact protocols in situ in the event of a potential fatal scenario occurring, then you truly are one total fking not doing anything wanna be moron.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 13, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Hey Ed,, i went and killed a few CO2 producers this am. Just doin my part. They will taste wonderful with a little oil garlic and pepper.
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