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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 15, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
Hawkeye
sure Philo's been nasty in return. Calling someone a pedophile is beyond the pale of civilized discourse.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
May 15, 2014 - 02:56pm PT
Blah blah.... it doesn't matter if he got a prize out of a cereal box, what matters is if his observations and theory is proven to a high degree of certainty....

Which is true. For you to denigrate Kahneman by an oblique process of how Nobel prizes may or may not be appropriately given, is completely beside the point.

If you can refute Kahnemans work please do so.

Bruce--I like Kahneman (at least based on the one book of his I read, Thinking Fast and Slow). But for some reason that fake "Nobel" in Economics really pisses me off. Perhaps I picked that up from Taleb, who could also be classified as a behavioral economist type.

Could all you "shet" and "feckers" take a break--Bruce and I have very important things to discuss here!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
May 15, 2014 - 03:01pm PT
is beyond the pale of civilized discourse.

HT, you are a decent sort. but they went way beyond civilized discourse a long time ago. this is clearly a case of likes being attracted to eachother. they need a private room.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 15, 2014 - 03:11pm PT
Hawkeye you are phucked in the head. If you can not see the difference I pity you.
He accused me of being a drug addict. No biggie it's one of his bald face lies.
But accusing me of being a pedophile? Again no truth but a despicable comment all the same.
I just told my 20 year old daughter what Cheefie said. Man is she ever pissed off. She wants to rip him two or three new ones.
It would be hilarious to see my 5'1" daughter drop Chuffles like the turd he is.


A few here are condemning me without a word to The Chief about how massively inappropriate he is. To not do so is tantamount to tacit approval and shameful. The only one decent enough to stand up and tell The Chief he is way out of line has been HighTraverse. Thank you for that my door is always open to you.


Actually Hawkeye this is a case of me giving Rong a break. Sorry to disappoint your ignorant assumptions.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 15, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
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HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 15, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
monolith
only 220 mm in 17 years? That's less than 10". Anyway that's just at the Equator. Why should I care about them furriners?

Credit: HighTraverse
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 15, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
monolith. I don't know. Please tell me. Seriously
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 15, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
By the way, my earlier post was meant to be sarcastic. I'm already a Global Warming True Believer.
Thanks for the years, I thought it was in that era. See my post yesterday for how little rain I've gotten the past three years.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2328516&tn=680#msg2410449
I'd welcome an El Nino this year. Sort of.
Due to lack of rain the vegetation in the meadows is doing very poorly. There is very little beneath the forest canopy. I expect after the ground saturates there will be extraordinary runoff down the canyons. If we get El Nino it could be very destructive.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2014 - 04:48pm PT
I'm sorry to drag the thread into this, but I have to reply to Sketch's attack:

Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville

May 15, 2014 - 08:04am PT
K-man - I went back and looked at a few of our exchanges.

Your part can be summed up with "F#ck you! You suck! You're a do-do head!"

Please show the post where I said any those things. You used quotes, so I assume you know what that means, f*#ktard (and you can quote me on that).

Even though you claim to back up your accusations, you don't. It's that simple.

This started with you claiming:

I can cite numerous posts of yours where you purposely misrepresent what I've said.

You ran away from that like a little sissy. It's kind of the crux of our differences. You make accusations about me being disingenuous. And then you're disingenuous.

OK, later, I will spend the time to research where you twisted my words to create a straw man to attack. Sorry I didn't take the time yesterday.

You claim to have stated my views as directly as possible. That's BS. All you did was reference a cartoon. You said nothing about my views.


Let me remind you of what you asked:

What do you think my views are based on my posting that cartoon?

So, I said your views were represented by that cartoon and your other postings. Yeah, I did reference the cartoon, as your question asked me to. I said earlier that the 'toon misrepresented the facts.

Sketch, why should people have to guess at what your views are? Sholdn't you just come out and tell us, instead of issuing passive-aggressive quips that don't really state anything, but are meant to antagonize?


That you don't understand the cartoon was a joke speaks volumes about you. I don't think there's much I could say to enlighten you.


Um, I understood the cartoon. It's goal was to discredit the scientific studies. Nowhere in the studies does the word "might" come into play with regard to ice melting. If the cartoon was meant to show that the media reports were overblown (as you state), then why the comment about the sea ice, other than to discredit climate change science. Looks to me like you did not understand the cartoon, yet don't have the backbone to admit it.

With that, it looks like this statement of your is more a badge to pin on your own jacket:

That you don't understand the cartoon was a joke speaks volumes about you.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2014 - 05:15pm PT
You make BS accusations you can't/won't back up.

Well,I accused you of (1) making passive aggressive quips, which I would love to back up (would you like me to?), and (2) that you didn't understand the cartoon, which I did back up. Sorry if the truth hurts.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2014 - 05:21pm PT
Here's one passive-aggressive quip from Sketch, so easy to find:


Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville

Apr 17, 2014 - 03:55pm PT

Wade Icey

Trad climber
http://www.alohashirtrescue.com

Apr 17, 2014 - 01:33pm PT
25k + and sketchy still thinks it's about todays local weather

Thanks for demonstrating Dunning–Kruger.


The NYU Medical Center defines a passive-aggressive individual as someone who "may appear to comply or act appropriately, but actually behaves negatively and passively resists." Passive-aggressive actions can range from the relatively mild, such as making excuses for not getting together, to the very serious, such as sabotaging someone’s well-being and success.

Most chronically passive-aggressive individuals have four common characteristics: They’re unreasonable to deal with, they’re uncomfortable to experience, they rarely express their hostility directly, and they repeat their subterfuge behavior over time. Passive aggressiveness may be directed towards a person or a group.


    Unreasonable? Check.
    Uncomfortable? Perhaps.
    Rarely express their hostility directly? Check.
    Repeat their subterfuge behavior over time? Check.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 15, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
1983 set the all time precip record for CA.
Yup, I was caught out on a long ski tour in the high Sierra in the 100 year winter storm. Turned into a survival trip.
Local/regional occasional weather events have nothing to do with Global Warming. It's the Really Big Picture that is important.
However, one of the forecasts for Climate Change is that the intensity and frequency of extreme events will increase.
Ask the UK who had the worst 6 weeks of weather in recorded history this year. Frequent gale/hurricane force winds and daily rain. Railroad tracks washed out. Cities flooded more deeply than in modern history. Farms flooded for weeks.
Is it surprising that some predictions of Climate Change are already manifest?
Like the 200 mm rise in the Pacific around the equator where the ocean temperature rise is greatest.
We are no longer living in the Middle Ages. We should be taking scientific facts and predictions seriously.

By the way, the 7 day weather forecast for my location is much better now than it was 10 years ago. There is indeed progress in global climate models.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2014 - 08:02pm PT
You're MO seems to be all about personal attacks you can't/won't back up.

Now playing: The Victim Card
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2014 - 08:56pm PT
Hmm, I thought I backed up my assertion of your passivise-aggressive attacks fairly well (even though I provided only one post for proof). Heck, I even defined passive-aggressive behavior and found your MO fit rather nicely into that behavior.


Above you cited three media reports that, from my POV, accurately summarized the studies that said the ice sheets were starting a slow, unstoppable thaw. You said you had a problem with the way the media reported on the two studies.

In response, I said:

To me, Sketch, it looks like the media reporting you do believe are the reports whose messages align with your opinion, and those opinions are not based on sound science.

So while you say you "mostly" believe in science, your views of climate change are based on non-scientific opinion.


The kitchen got a little warm for you, so you entered attack mode, lashing back:

It always amusing to watch alarmists misrepresent my views. You just make sh1t up, that has nothing to do with anything I've posted... and try to claim it's my position.


OK now, how does this fit your position:


Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville

May 8, 2014 - 05:26pm PT

Catastrophic global warming / anthropogenic climate disruption is our modern day boogie man.

The powers that be cooked it up after nuclear destruction was no longer an issue.

The masses need a boogie man.


So there it is, in your own words. Sure, it's fair to call AWG a modern-day boogie man. Heck, that's your right. However, that viewpoint flies in the face of hard science, even though you hate to admit that.


Above, you claimed I "dodged" your question when I said your posts gave me my view of your beliefs. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to go back and prove to myself that I was correct in my a*#essment of you (assessment, heck it's a real word ST!).

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 15, 2014 - 09:20pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/05/15/if-all-you-see-1130/
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 16, 2014 - 10:25am PT
Caution, autoplay vid

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/05/16/Watch-Chicago-Hit-with-May-Snowfall?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
May 16, 2014 - 10:26am PT
no I took my posts down because this thread had become the mess that can be evidenced by just looking at the last 20 or 30 posts.

I finally heeded the admonition regarding arguing with fools.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 16, 2014 - 10:27am PT
Sorry, Ed.

DMT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2014 - 10:34am PT
Wise move Ed.

And I understand how you get pulled in, and then embroiled with foolish banter.

One makes a post for information's sake, and the deniers swarm over the information, picking apart the smallest, insignificant detail, which one then feels compelled to defend. And the cycle begins.

I've thought about sh#t-canning this whole thread many times because of the smell the garbage emits. In the end, I've kept it here because there is such a wealth of great information, added by people who really give a darn about it all.

Peace.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2014 - 10:44am PT
My post was obvious hyperbole.


Interesting Sketch.


I had written a neat and tidy paragraph, explaining how you never directly state your views on AWG. Instead, I wrote, you use passive-aggressive behavior to put others down.

Before I hit send, I wanted to be sure that was the case, that you never directly stated how you felt about AWG. Then BINGO, I hit upon your post where you directly state how you feel, that AWG is the modern-day boogie man.

And now you come back and state your post was just hyperbole. Perfect, we're again left with having to guess at what your real view is.

I can make only one conclusion from this; that you're just another two-bit troll, stirring up sh#t for the sake of being a jerk. Perfect.
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