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Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 14, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
Hah, Quidi Vidi! I should go back there and try it.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
It always amusing to watch alarmists misrepresent my views. You just make sh1t up, that has nothing to do with anything I've posted... and try to claim it's my position.


(1) I can cite numerous posts of yours where you purposely misrepresent what I've said. Don't make me go back and quote you, it won't show a positive reflection of your personality.

(2) I got my views of your beliefs from your posts. Would you like me to quote some of your opinions? I don't have to go far back to see the cartoon you posted about the ice melting in Antarctica. If that 'toon doesn't represent your view, then why did you post it (it contained a lot of misinformation and wasn't really funny)?

(3) The "reasonable study" you posted is a five-year old OpEd. By your own calculation, the US has spent $100B on climate change research in the time since that OpEd was published.

Sketch, why don't you believe current studies??


How about the military, do you believe what they are now saying?


A report released Tuesday from an advisory group of retired U.S. military leadership echoes the findings of other recent reports on climate change: It is real, it is already happening and it poses major threats to the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The federally funded Center for Naval Analyses and its Military Advisory Board, a group of 16 retired three- and four-star generals and admirals, affirm in the report that climate events like flooding, prolonged drought and rising sea levels, and the subsequent population dislocation and food insecurity, will serve as "catalysts for instability and conflict" in vulnerable regions of the world.

"We no longer have the option to wait and see," former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta write in a foreword to the report, which they describe as a "bipartisan call to action."


link: Climate Change Is A Growing National Security Concern, Say Retired Military Leaders



Last Call for the Clown Car!!!
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 14, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
There's something BLUEBLOCR doesn't understand about the water cycle on earth. It is closed.
I'm not going to take the time to explain how using icebergs for water supply is not going to reduce ocean rise. It will in fact accelerate it.

EDIT: correction. It was not Chief who was talking about towing ice flows for a fresh water source it was BLUEBLOCR
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
May 14, 2014 - 06:00pm PT
Does Chuff understand anything that involves facts or arithmetic? Doubt it.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 14, 2014 - 06:31pm PT
Chief
Indeed, my apologies. It was BLUEBLOCR. I'll edit my post. My error was unintentional.
I see that you've been doing some research and are thinking critically about it. I don't agree with your conclusions.

The DOD report on climate change was signed by Chertoff and Panetta. Doesn't get more bipartisan than that.
"We no longer have the option to wait and see," former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta write in a foreword to the report, which they describe as a "bipartisan call to action."
You'll notice neither of them is now in government. You'd be hard pressed to find any ulterior motives.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2014 - 07:06pm PT
Let's see three.

Sketch, what will you do when I post references of you misrepresenting other people's words? Come back with more meaningless on-line quips? maybe I'll take the time, maybe not. But I'll be sure to point it out the next time you use the disingenuous tactic.


What do you think my views are based on my posting that cartoon?

Why post the cartoon if they don't represent your views? Also, the cartoon seems to follow the view you take in all your other posts to this topic, so what clue do you give that it's not your view of the topic?

Or, are we to believe that you just post BS for the thrill of knowing it's BS. Seems like that would be a great way to waste your time, if that's the case.

You claim it [the cartoon] contained a lot of misinformation. Please elaborate.

The cartoon says, "On the one hand there might be some melting in 1000 years time ..." That is misinformation plain and simple. Especially because it's a direct remark about reports of the ice melting over the next 1-200 years. Are you that dim to not see this?

Yes, I'm beginning to get you. Post BS, then claim you are too ignorant to know the difference.

What current studies are you talking about?


Try to keep up boy, there's links to them a couple of pages back. I thought you saw them, especially because you've already remarked on them (this is where I could with a clear conscience call you a dipshit).


HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
May 14, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
The point Chief is that just as Panetta is liberal, Chertoff is conservative. Fair and Balanced unlike Faux News which is neither.
Chertoff was Bush II's 2nd Secretary of Homeland Security. The guy who waived the Endangered Species Act and Clean Water Act to build the southern border fence.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
You're the one who brought it up. Now, it sounds like you're backpedalling.

You're right, I am backpedaling. It's too hard to search this forum and I'd rather not wast my time. But, look up where I say "No Sketch, no." I remember that is the phrase I used when you twisted my words to indicate something other than what I said. You fancy yourself smart, you can find it yourself.

What do you think my views are based on my posting that cartoon?

OK, more straightforward this time (a rephrase of what I already said): I think that your posts represent your views. So to me, your posting of the cartoon indicates that the cartoon is a representation of your view.

If your views do not align with the cartoon, or your views are different from the opinions you post, tell us so we know they are not your views. Otherwise, we must all assume they are your views.

Is that clear? OK, let me try it again, and I'll be blunt: What you post, including cartoons, represents your viewpoint.

Please let me know if this doesn't meet your level of understanding.

More of the same.

I agree, more of the same BS quips from you.


Apparently, you're unfamiliar with part of one paper's conclusion, stating: "sometime between 200 and 900 years from now ..."

Compare that to, "On the one hand there might be some melting in 1000 years time ..." To me that's a misrepresentation of the paper's conclusion. The paper says that starting as soon as 200 years from now, we could see a 4-inch rise in sea levels, and then a faster rate of rise after that.


You claimed I posted a "reasonable study" which is a five-year old OpEd. I asked what you were talking about. You serve up more of the same.

OK, is this a twist of my words? You posted a five-year old OpEd and said it was a "reasonable take on the studies."

So, I must assume you know what studies you are talking about, OK?


You then ask, "What current studies are you talking about?" And I lambasted you because you had already written about the current studies. It was today, actually:


Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville

May 14, 2014 - 05:14am PT

I'm curious to know if you believe in the results of scientific study.

I do, mostly.

However, I'm skeptical of the media's coverage of climate related research.

From NBC:

West Antarctic Ice Sheet's Collapse Triggers Sea Level Warning

Two teams of scientists say the long-feared collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet has begun, kicking off what they say will be a centuries-long, "unstoppable" process that could raise sea levels by as much as 15 feet.

The Guardian:

Western Antarctic ice sheet collapse has already begun, scientists warn
Two separate studies confirm loss of ice sheet is inevitable, and will cause up to 4m of additional sea-level rise

Time:

New data has scientists at the University of California and NASA convinced we've "passed the point of no return" with a slab of ice that makes up 10% of Antarctica's total land ice volume, enough to raise the global sea level by 15 feet if it melts


When you wrote this post, did you know these media reports were based on current scientific study? More importantly, does the post you wrote represent your views? I believe the post does represent your view, but the way you slime about, one never can be sure.

One thing is for sure. I feel sorry for your spouse, if you have one. You don't shoot straight.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
May 14, 2014 - 10:35pm PT
So Chief, what does old climbing buddy say about ice conditions in the Sierra?
Is Ice Nine in or what?

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2014 - 10:54pm PT
Please do ref that statement KMAN with a direct quote from the "paper".

The Chief, look above, not more than a page. Sketch references the paper with the full quote.

Here, let me find it:

sometime between 200 and 900 years from now the rate of ice loss from this glacier could reach a volume sufficient to raise sea levels about 4 inches (100 millimeters) a century. At that point, according to the paper, ice loss could pick up steam, with big losses over a period of decades.


I don't think I misrepresented the quote that Sketch pull out.

Let me point out, however, this important phrase from the quote:

... rate of ice loss from this glacier ...


Yep, just this one glacier. 4" of sea-level rise. Now that's a big glacier!

Anyway, have a nice day/evening.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 14, 2014 - 11:00pm PT


//
//Reuters
This just in. Seems as though its not climate change that's causing Antarctica to melt at all. Eye witnesses say they saw alien spaceships landing and loading icebergs into their ships. Scientist took samples from the landing zones and said," the alien spaceships turbo charged nuclear inline6 plasma burning engines must be putting out an exhaust temperature of around 940 degrees. Thus causing the Ice sheets to diminish. One of the eye witnesses reported over hearing one of the short heavy aliens saying, "this stuff makes great beer!"
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 14, 2014 - 11:24pm PT

"We hope this report will both influence public opinion as well as influence national security policymakers and leaders,"

Fuk Yea! that changes my opinion!!! Lets sat art a war on climate change! We can kick its azz
We'll make it 80' and sunshiny everyday!! Nuke the CO2!!
Fuk Ya! America. Gonna save the muthafukn world now!!!!

How's that Satan?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 15, 2014 - 12:12am PT
^^^Yea Sweet! They are the best dogs!
My last one, Jake. RIP. would sit at attention next to me watching the water. I swear he could see the fly land. And soon as the water would break, he'd jump in and go after it. If the fish was near the surface he'd grab it ever so gently. Never punctured one. Then swim back and hand it to me and sit at attention. Cause he knew he was gettin a cut. He loved that sushi!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 15, 2014 - 12:33am PT
Oh Man she's a Beuty!
You can jus see it in her eyes that she's think'in,,,,, about you!
Dang their good dogs!!! I love'em!

If only those guys on the political,religious thread could have a relationship with one.
They'ed know what sentience is!
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 15, 2014 - 12:37am PT
Mine pretty much does the same. Cept she licks em to death before I return em to the water.

Well Chief that is a beautiful dog and a rare truth from you.
remove the fish's slime coat and chances are good they will die.
Catch and release means releasing live fish. Why don't you whack them on a rock too before throwing them back.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 15, 2014 - 12:54am PT
Chuff my mom is dead you classless clown.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 15, 2014 - 12:55am PT
Oh come now BK.
if a man can marry a man. Why shouldn't a man be able to marry his dog? It ain't about sex. It's about rights, and insurance and benefits. Who will take care of my dog if I die? I want her to be secure. Think about ur answer first, before Norton calls you a bigot.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 15, 2014 - 01:07am PT

Lets put it this way: do you like your woman loyal and obedient?

Yup jus like me!

Ur to easy BK. I'm surprised you've kept Chiefs interest this long.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 15, 2014 - 01:14am PT
This just in;
Climate change causing fires in California. Scientist say alien spaceships are radiating so much heat from their exhaust pipes its causing fires to spontaneously combust in Cali's climate changed drylands. Obama has been notified. His response," pour iceberg beer on it!"
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
May 15, 2014 - 01:23am PT

Ok you like your women obedient and loyal. You also like your dog obedient and loyal.

You left out the part of me being loyal and obedient also. What goes around comes around.
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