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jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Sep 19, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
How do you decide which science is bullshit and which is, well, scientific?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 19, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
How do you decide which science is bullshit and which is, well, scientific?

If it's from a blog surreptitiously funded by a large corporation, it's likely BS
If it's from a scientist outside his/her field, it's likely BS
If it can't be reproduced by other scientists, it's likely BS

If it's published in a good, peer-reviewed journal, it's likely good science
If the authors are from a good university, it's likely good science
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
If it's published in a good, peer-reviewed journal, it's likely good science
If the authors are from a good university, it's likely good science


Please state who determines that.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Sep 19, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
[quote].
Sep 19, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
How do you decide which science is bullshit and which is, well, scientific?

If it's from a blog surreptitiously funded by a large corporation, it's likely BS
If it's from a scientist outside his/her field, it's likely BS
If it can't be reproduced by other scientists, it's likely BS

If it's published in a good, peer-reviewed journal, it's likely good science
If the authors are from a good university, it's likely good science
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Why is this so hard ?
An arrogance thing?
An 80 IQ thing ?
Combination of both ??

Folks so used to parroting ideas and so unable to think critically their entire lives that they don't want see the difference even if they could ?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
Folks so used to parroting ideas and so unable to think critically their entire lives that they don't want see the difference even if they could

Truly an unbias and respectable answer.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
I don't believe in climate change especially since Exxon said there is none...Nigger Please...
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
start with your conclusion and then find some bullshit to back it up with



and if that is not working out so well, change the facts until they fit your theory



or, find an internet forum where everyone agrees with you
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/970221/Climate-Change-skeptics-ot
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
The Chief...How did that mansectomy turn out...? You going to have reconstructive surgery..? RJ
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
Why don't you come by the office and see for yourself. You know where it is.....

Call me if you need a ride.


Yabadabadooooooo.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
I 'm driving by in the morning but can't stop...Could you twerk and shake...? I'll keep an eye out...RJ
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
How bout you honk three times and I will then detonate an IED.


That should give you a pretty good push to get you to your ultimate destination....

I am always willing to help out a buddy. Always.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 19, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
I am still slightly stunned and bemused that Chuff so gleefully stated in no uncertain terms what his motivation is!

Lets have a look at it:

What core value of yours is the fulcrum from which you position yourself on climate change?

Excellent question!!!


Principal.

There's that word again. Which principle - self reliance????

First of all I am neither Republican nor Democrat. Liberal nor Conservative.

You and Ron are hilarious. Very independant or self reliant or something. Well considering how obviously right wing you are you'd have to be nuts to vote anything but Republican.


Secondly, I never once stated that I do not believe in CC. I am of the standing that it is real and has been so for billions of years. We should have accepted this decades ago and began to implement changes in order to live with it. Not all these decades trying to find out why it is occurring and now fighting to see who is right and who is wrong. That is the premise of self-reliance that Emerson so effectively wrote about.

What the premiss here is that IT DOSN'T MATTER IF IT IS MAN MADE because there is only one response - adapt. Why is there only one response? see below.



I believe that the AGW brigade have over time overwhelmed any process globally to motivate the "system" to find alternative fuels and energy sources with their politicizing and social power quest.


huh???

I see the AGW (UN/IPCC) clan hiding behind this natural climate change event and using it all as a front to instill their one world socialist government agenda and claiming they can instill a utopian world where everyone can live equally. This evidenced here by several of the PhD's and other Pro AGWist here, admitting that they are of that mindset and believe it is the only manner that man can "fix" this dooms day event and save the future of mankind.

OK we're getting closer.... Here for the first time he states "this natural climate change event". This is vital to his cause which we'll see below but for now notice the disconnect with his above claim that we shouldn't waste time and resources figuring out the cause. He absolutely wants it figured out - in only one possible way.

Fact is, their computer projecting science/models which they base so much of their premise on, has so obviously failed. Their modeling process has lost any credibility to be utilized in any policy making process. The new AR5 clearly indicates such to the point that many PRO AGW gov'ts are demanding that the 15 year "hiatus" be completely removed from any language in the upcoming report for fear that it will negatively affect the upcoming 2015 International C02 Emissions Treaty. Many of these gov'ts have a deeply vested economic interest in seeing that treaty signed.


Chuff, Ron Rick and all the other wing nuts here have demonstrated in no uncertain terms that THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SKILLS TO JUDGE, THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PURPOSE OF MODELING IS, AND WHATEVER OPINIONS THEY HOLD THEY PERSONALLY CAN'T SUBSTANTIATE. whatever politicizing is occurring peripheral to the science has no bearing on the veracity of the science. But as is becoming clear, they could care less about the science - it is the policy that matters to them.


Bottomline, I see it as nothing more than a move to shift the world to a new socialistic way of life. Dissolving any idea of, as ED H stated, independent way of living in a world that supposedly no longer contains nor affords any area nor resources to do so. And the only manner to "fix" this issue is to immediately implement their economic policies which include heavy taxation and penalizing the energy creating "Industries" as well as the FF producers. In doing so, this will drastically affect the consumers globally and very quickly turn the current worlds fragile economical structure, up side down. Fact.

No that is not a fact - it is a risk, just like all policies have risk. He knows this but choses to claim it as an absolute hazard. That is because it is by his reckoning an absolute hazard to his principle which is sacred and paramount. Those policies he abhores are not an absolute risk to real societal function because such things as taxation and industry regulation have been and are used world wide already. Again he nervously knows this so he desperately and shrilly claims absolute hazard and just to be sure he doubles down with the claim that it absolutely isn't man made anyway so STFU.

I see that ideology as completely skewed and absolutely contrary to any premise and ideals in which this country was founded upon.

And to be absolutely clear, If it is man caused and the physical possibility of mitigation exists, all the policies that are anathema to his stated principles are required as the most efficient means of harnessing a global response. He then must chose - act, or defend your principles.

And never mind any nonsense of adapting your principles to reflect reality. To chuff there is no distinction between principle and mythology. There will be no mitigation on his watch even if by some horrible stroke of luck the truth leaks out. That is what he considers communism.

This is the sh#t we have to deal with.

Rick and Ron - you agree with everything Chuff says?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 19, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
I'm a true believer in Chuffian Darwinism. Admit it Bruce, The Chiefs is like family to you-who else would argue with you endlessly?

Now the way you slammed Bridwell is just plain mean and inexcusable.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 19, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Thank you for your truthful reply. Ron - you too?

Refresh my memory - what did I say to Bridwell?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
If it is man caused and the physical possibility of mitigation exists...




Last but not least....


There will be no mitigation ...

Fact is Brewsky, I am assuredly doing far more to mitigate, than you have or ever will. Cus ALL you and many of the "5%" here that are posting as you consistently do, are not doing jackshet to do their personal part to mitigate anything. Just the continued screaming that we all need to accept the implementation of your mitigation solutions that "might" remedy the big "if". All the while you all live business as usual.

Nice.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 19, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
You ridiculed his diction and syntax. We had the godfather of modern north American climbing entering our little fray and you had to be a complete azzhole.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
Here Brewsky.... A little refreshment

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=970221&msg=2219478#msg2219478









And I seriously do not believe that his avatar implies this....





But your post concerning his, sure did.



NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE, Brewsky.







Well considering how obviously right wing you are you'd have to be nuts to vote anything but Republican.

What part of "I voted for Obama, twice due to his policies on the VA", have you yet to ingest into that minimal amount of gray matter in between them spock ears and comprehend.



Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze Brewsky. Put the pipe down would ya.



Outta here. Off to send a Bruce Kay down and out and feed my septic.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 19, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
Yes I remember that. somewhat in my defense at the time It didn't register with me the thebird was in fact none other than Big Bird. Thats one problem with using aliases or nicknames. If you're not in the loop your not in the loop. But when you get right down to it what difference does who he is make. Was his graamar crap or what?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 19, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
Yes I remember that.


What???

There ya go bullshetting again.


You posted you needed to be "refreshed".

Refresh my memory - what did I say to Bridwell?


Put the pipe down Brewsky.... oh shet. Outta here... the septic is calling you.



Night.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Sep 20, 2013 - 02:16am PT
JB makes both of you look like liberal pinko fags.
You two pussies got a long way to go and a short time to watch a sh#t-ton of Fox News .
Best get at it .
The hard core wouldn't waste another second in this commie filled socialist hell.
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