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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Well we have heard of plans to kill the coal industry over GW yet the EPA says that will do NOTHING to decrease CO2..Whos right?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 4, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
hahaa... Farmer's Almanac... hahahaaaaa... you fuking dipshit!

In the October 1981 issue of Weatherwise, pages 212-215, John E. Walsh and David Allen performed a check on the accuracy of 60 monthly forecasts of temperature and precipitation from the Old Farmer's Almanac at 32 stations in the U.S. They found that 50.7 percent of the monthly temperature forecasts and 51.9 percent of the precipitation forecasts verified with the correct sign. These may be compared with the 50 percent success rate expected by chance.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 4, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
There you go again Ron. You don't understand it but you can't shut up about it. You have to have a fookin opinion even tho you're illiterate.

You could do somethig about that but you choose not too.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
and YET MORE accurate than an ICE FREE ARCTIC this year EH wessie..
raymond phule

climber
Oct 4, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
Cool, the author of the chiefs latest figure also believes in chemtrails!

It is really nice to see the impressive source checking by the chief et. al.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
ohhhwww i FULLY understand the "IFs", due to the fact that is what GW is BASED UPON.


Even the friggin polar bears listings were over "possible" GW concerns of the future. The USFWS FULLY admitted that.


GW has more IFs that carters has pills.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Ron, you are a fuking clueless idiot who laps up anything your d#@&%e bag overlords drizzle into your pathetic life through their "news" lines. Pull you head out of your ass and learn something before you spout off more of your disgustingly uninformed bullsh#t.

From the actual IPCC report:

Some models even predict an ice-free Arctic, although most scenarios maintain significant summer ice centered on the North Pole.

http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/sres/regional/index.php?idp=46
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Yes wessie they "modify" their stances regularly.. wonder why lol!
raymond phule

climber
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
It would be very interesting if someone with great knowledge about the climate would fake a person, fake data, fake arguments, fake plots etc and made a homepage where he with completely wrong arguments argue against man's influence on the climate. So we could see how incredible fast the incorrect information would flew throw the blogosphere and be parroted as the truth by ron et. al.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
in this thread Mental,, back about fiddy pages..
raymond phule

climber
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:09pm PT

Yes wessie they "modify" their stances regularly.. wonder why lol!

Did you even read the newspaper article about that projection? It where one or two other climate scientist interviewed that said that they didn't believe in an ice free arctic 2013. It was clear from the article that the mainstream scientists did believe that it where very unlikely that the arctic where going to be ice free in 2013.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Thor Larsen of Norway's University of Life Sciences was actively involved in bear research back then. He recalls "Most data on numbers from the late 1960s and early 1970s were indeed anecdotal, simply because proper research was lacking. As far as I can remember, we did stick to a world-wide 'guestimate' of 20-25,000 bears in these years."

Another veteran bear researcher, Ian Stirling, emailed me, "Any number given as an estimate of the total population at that time would simply have been a guess and, in all likelihood, 5,000 was almost certainly much too low."

These and other scientists agree that polar bear populations have, in all likelihood, increased in the past several decades, but not five-fold, and for reasons that have nothing to do with global warming. The Soviets, despite their horrendous environmental legacy on many issues, banned most polar bear hunting in 1956. Canada and the U.S. followed suit in the early 1970s — with limited exceptions for some native hunting, and permitted, high-priced trophy hunts. And a curtailment of some commercial seal hunting has sparked a seal population explosion — angering fishermen, but providing populations in eastern Canada and Greenland with plenty of polar bear chow, leading in turn to localized polar bear population growth in spite of the ice decline.

The scientists also caution that we still don't have a firm count on these mobile, remote, supremely camouflaged beasts.

All this uncertainty over the numbers — past and present — even gave some conservative bloggers pause.

Human Events editor Terry Jeffrey acknowledged the absolute uncertainty of polar bear numbers in a May 21 blog. Even so, isn't that reason to do nothing? he asked. "Before anybody tries to change the world to save polar bears ... somebody should figure out how many polar bears there are."

I hope this thoroughly clears things up.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
" last year, the World Wildlife Fund’s climate blog headlined that “Polar Bear Population in Canada’s Western Hudson Bay Unlikely to Survive Climate Disruption.” But it seems that since then this subpopulation, previously believed to be among the most threatened subpopulations due to global warming, has made a miraculous recovery. According to aerial surveys released by the Government of Nunavat this month, their numbers are at least 66% higher than expected. This region, which straddles Nunavat and Manitoba, is critical because it’s considered to be a bellwether for how well polar bears are faring elsewhere in the Arctic.

And to top off that happy news, recent space satellite images reveal that 36 colonies of Antarctic emperor penguins are twice larger than researchers previously thought. In fact four additional colonies that scientists hadn’t known about were discovered as well.

But don’t get complacent. Now, just when growing public immunity to feverish global warming hype is relieving hallucinatory sweats, another climatic crisis looms nigh. While some of it is still attributable to “climate change” along, with other human-caused dilemmas, there is a big difference. Yup, this one is much worse. I’m referring here to mass extinctions of species we don’t yet even know about…not to mention even some that we do. This constitutes nothing less than a planetary biodiversity crisis!

Alarm over biodiversity peril got a big boost a decade ago when Harvard ant biologist Dr. Edward O. Wilson estimated that 50,000 species are going extinct. When Environmental activist Tim Keating of Rainforest Relief was asked if he could name any of them he replied: “No we can’t, because we don’t know what those species are. But most of the species we’re talking about in those estimates are things like insects and even microorganisms.” Apparently they primarily inhabited the computer hard drive that generated his theoretical model.

Regarding Wilson’s predictions, U.K. scientist and professor emeritus of Biogeography at the University of London Philip Stott commented, “The Earth has gone through many periods of major extinctions, some much larger than even being contemplated today.” He went on to say “…the idea that we can keep all species that now exist would be anti-evolutionary, anti-nature and anti the very nature of the Earth in which we live.”

Adding fuel to the fire of extinction frenzy is a March 4, 2011 paper published in the journal Nature proclaiming “World’s Sixth Mass Extinction May be Underway: Study”. It states that “Over the past 540 million years, five mega-wipeouts of species have occurred through naturally-induced events. But the new threat is man-made, inflicted by habitation loss, over-hunting, over-fishing, the spread of germs and viruses and introduced species, and by climate change caused by fossil-fuel greenhouse gases.”
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Fort mental, i guess you missed the part of trophy hunters taking bears ALL OVER THE WORLD. How do i know this for FAKKT,,I WORKED ON THOSE TROPHY BEAR MOUNTS...The shop i worked for mounted the most polar bears than any.

And yes they were shipped round the world to the hunters that got them.

RUSSIA damm well included.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
Interesting plot the chief because the temperature from 98 obviously do not agree with any other plot that even you have shown before.

This will do better....

anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
anita, since youve been here, your posting record is 100% BS. You cried wolf over the Chief wanting him banned , which is now obviously hillarious.

Me thinks you harbor some secret desire for him actually. Either that or your just an internet troll. Thus far to the GW conversation youve added exaclty NOTHING.


and you just figured this out? man, you ARE as smart as they say!
raymond phule

climber
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
"This will do better...."

That figure has a completely different time scale and it is neither consistent to the rest of the figures you have shown.

Is it Spencer's satellite data that has been shown incorrect?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
more FOrtmental




From The GWPF and Dr. Benny Peiser

Exciting news about polar bears in eastern Canada: a new the peer-reviewed paper concludes that despite sea ice having declined since the 1970s, polar bear numbers in Davis Strait have not only increased to a greater density than other seasonal-ice subpopulations, but it may now have reached its ‘carrying capacity.’ This is great news. But where is the shouting from the roof-tops? This peer-reviewed paper was published February 19, 2013. No press release was issued that I could find and consequently, there was no news coverage. Funny, that. –Susan Crockford, Polar Bear Science, 10 June 2013




One of the interesting aspects of the current temperature standstill is that it persists despite several El Ninos and La Ninas. Since 2006 the influence of these events has been more pronounced in satellite data; El Ninos in 2007 and 2009-10, La Ninas in 2008, 2010–2012. These events have increased the ‘noise’ of the global temperature data in recent years. Removing this noise is tricky, but without it there is a hint, just a hint, that sans El Nino/La Nina effects and volcanic dips, the global temperature might be reducing. As usual, five more years of data will be fascinating to analyse. –David Whitehouse, The Global Warming Policy Foundation, 11 June 2013

Prof. Murry Salby, climate scientist at Macquarie University of Sydney, made a presentation in Hamburg on April 18th as part of a European tour. Prof. Salby is author of the textbook Physics of the Atmosphere and Climate (Cambridge University Press) and Fundamentals of Atmospheric Physics (Academic Press) and is renowned worldwide as an astrophysicist. He recently caused excitement with new findings on the relationship of the 12C- and 13C isotopes and the development of CO2-concentration. From the findings he concluded that the anthropogenic emissions only had a slight impact on the global CO2-concentrations. They are mainly a consequence of temperature changes. This relationship is known up to now only from the warming phases after the last ice ages. Prof. Salby extends this relationship to our current climate development. –Die kalte Sonne, 8 June 2013

I did a quick post yesterday on the May numbers on RSS [satellite data], which fell sharply to 0.139C. The RSS figures are anomalies from the 1979-98 baseline, and I pointed out that, against a baseline of 1981-2010, current temperatures are now only 0.039C higher. I also mentioned that the 1981-2010 average had been artificially depressed by the two eruptions, El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991. Take the two volcanoes out of the equation, and it is clear that there is nothing unusual about current temperatures. –Paul Homewood, Not a Lot Of People Know That, 8 June 2013

When the Little Ice Age caused widespread crop failures, mass starvation, and disease in populated Europe some centuries ago, the enlightened ones blamed the climate-related misery and misfortune on the black magic of sorcerers and witches – who were promptly tried and burned at the stake. In other cultures, people performed rain-dances, human sacrifices, or other bizarre rituals, all in a futile attempt to appease the weather gods. Of course the victims of these rituals were often political opponents. Today nothing has changed apparently, as Der Spiegel poignantly demonstrates with its latest online round of hysterics titled Flood Drama in Germany: We’re to Blame! by Jakob Augstein. According to Augstein, today’s German flooding is a result of man’s sins against the climate. Climate deniers are mostly to blame for the “Katastrophe“.–Pierre Goselin, No Tricks Zone, 11 June 2013




Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HRKRNH
Oct 4, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Well fortM,, you wanted proof, and i just gave it to you,, both barrels.

I guess you doubt POLAR bear biologists to know anything,, ten four -roger muccous ringworm over..
jonnyrig

Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
Oct 4, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
I find the argument difficult to take that we poor, weak humans cannot, or are not effecting the environment. We,ve effected everything else... just look around. I,ll stick to the local, visible habitat that is home.

Wild horses and cattle- tearing up the land, competing for habitat with native species, in puch a hostile environment (to them) that we have to round the damn things up to prevent their starvation and dessication. Idiots fight to protect them.

Cheat grass, tumbleweeds, other non-native flora taking over, causing substantially worse wildfires, drowning out the old plants like sage, changing the habitat to the detriment of species like sage grouse.

Bark beetles, norway rats, euro doves, african bees- all bad in places they dont belong.

And what about holes in the earth? Mercury, acid runoff, toxic water pits. People say it came outa the ground, so what can it hurt? Well, in situ, probably nothing. If we leave things alone, there they stay in geologic equilibrium, more or less. When we disturb them, then things happen much faster. The killer ledge-dwelling-boulder might perch there like a stone griffin til your grandchildrens great grandchildren fertilize the earth except that some dipsh#t "climber" wedgied his pinkie toe behind it at the crux, sending the griffin on a death plummet to the bottom of the void.

Point is, we aint doing the environment any favors, and y,all sit around chosing what scientific flavor of the month to believe like its 31 flavors and damn the tummy ache.
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