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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
You miss the point Fortmental and others. What I get out of Otto et al and other recent reassessments....



all very well Rick but you have yet to provide a case for anyone to give a flying fuk what you think about anything other than installing siding.

Jus sayin"
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 27, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
Bruce,I really do not want to know how Rick puts up siding,either.If he actually really has.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 27, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
Damn. Are you serious? That sounds desperately grim.

I always thought his life was a bit like this:





Or is that just how he gets to the bingo hall?



OK we'll leave him alone. Its that other Rick we're really after anyway. You know, prfessor Sumners.
dirtbag

climber
Sep 28, 2013 - 08:12am PT
One of the most wasteful ways to spend one's time and energy is being reasonable to unreasonable people.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 28, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
An excellent article in the National Post with direct relevance to this thread. I dare Chuff.....

Oh forget about him..... I dare Rick Sumners and Ron Anderson to read this article and consider how it is relevant to their strong and certain belief about AGW in relation to their very poor grasp of the science.

It has to do with that humilty stuff again.....

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/27/age-old-reverence-of-knowledge-has-made-people-too-afraid-to-admit-what-they-dont-know/




A sampler:

“The feeling of knowing is a sensation, it’s not an actual rational conclusion that people come up with,” says Robert A. Burton, a neurologist and author of A Skeptic’s Guide to the Mind: What Neuroscience Can and Cannot Tell Us About Ourselves.

People believe they have consciously swum through the logic and deduced the evidence to come to their ‘knowing-ness,’ Dr. Burton says. But their feeling of knowing actually comes from their unconscious — processes of the mind that happen automatically.

That feeling of knowing — that desire or need to know — depends on many factors, he says: a person’s personality, biological makeup and socialization. (If you were raised by know-it-all parents who rewarded the right answer, then guess what brings validation later in life?)

And it may be that it could become an addiction, he says, the know-it-all’s high. The same area of the brain lights up when a person takes drugs or gambles — the same neurons in the reward pathway of the brain shoot dopamine into the prefrontal cortex, amygdala and nucleus accumbens, he says. The dopamine heightens the feeling of pleasure.

Based on experience, I don't expect you to regard any of this stuff with anything but dismissive contempt and maybe a self gratifying comment about "psycho babble" being beneath your dignity, but if you do in fact think that psycho babble is a factor here - which you do, considering your accusations of our suffering from it - then you must read it and you must discuss it.

Discuss it. Get it? You know, consider others ideas and form your own, provide elements of validation, evolve, grow....... become a member of civilized society.

Thats right chuff, not for you.


Oh... I forgot about our star phantom post -and-run lurker and firmly established wise man Werner. We eagerly look forward to your sage commentary and perhaps even engagement in discussion.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 28, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/28/if-all-you-see-904/
dirtbag

climber
Sep 29, 2013 - 12:47am PT

Humor only a flat earth, regressive, illiterate tea bagging dipshit would find humorous.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 30, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/30/if-all-you-see-906/
abrams

Sport climber
Sep 30, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Man made climate change is impossible and throwing spoiled brat tantrums will not ever change that fact.



WBraun

climber
Sep 30, 2013 - 09:05pm PT
Man made climate change is impossible

No no not true.

When man misbehaves climate changes.

Nature forces man to behave.

Stupid man is always subordinate to Nature.

Now start behaving ......
dirtbag

climber
Sep 30, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Man made climate change is impossible and throwing spoiled brat tantrums will not ever change that fact.



zzzzzz...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 1, 2013 - 01:14am PT
Dr. Sumner is in repose, studying incoming data in search of real world trends. Unlike you "model cultists", i'll put my faith in facts-actual scientifically documented observations. Alaska just finished its shortest summer on record, Siberia likewise and abnormally cold, upper latitude Europe's glaciers are again growing and they are about to slip into the sixth severe winter in a row, Antartic ice mass is increasing while the circular winds and currents contribute to it's decreasing temps, the Arctic has 60% more (multi year by definition since its thickness will only increase over winter) ice than last years fluke melt season, South America is coming off a historically cold and severe winter that saw hundreds of thousands of livestock losses and hundreds of people killed,the cold sun will soon go into a deep minumum unwitnessed in modern times, the PDO and AMO are in negative phase, China and the developing world are releasing hitherto unseen amounts of reflective aerosol pollution, volcanism is above average, the IPCC just self immolated but the doomsday cult cheerleaders are just to dense to discern the smoke from the imagined vapors of their mythical feedbacks. The globe is in a cooling trend ladies and gentlemen. The climate will never conform to your sick fantasies.

Ed, what the hell you are you doing man? Forget about this global warming madness, let's get out there and put up some new obscure climbs that nobody will ever care about let alone repeat.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 1, 2013 - 01:58am PT
I think Rick wants you to forget about all that california granite and go climb some real man shale or green shitz or whatever that shot blasted road cut choss is on the Seward highway which is a full 3 hour drive through a driving rain and threading the usual drug and alcohol road blocks that they surround Wasilla with every weekend.

Which must be that "severe" winter weather he talks about all the time that actually more often lasts all year. Which also likely accounts for his projections of fantasy and myth, seeing as myth and fantasy is the only climbing he's likely to be doing any time soon, not to mention it best describes his parallel world of "peer review" of his peers all the while peering at it all through a tumbler of cheap Alberta Rye down at the Wasilla University Bar and Grill and Erth science Lab.

So Rick - Did you check out those Freemen on the Land guys? What a riot eh? Imagine that - a bunch of siding installers and taxidermists not only represent themselves in court but they also tell the judge that he's illegitimate and is too ignorant to understand "common" law but not to worry, the siding installer will lecture him on it .... having a newly acquired Phd or something on the subject out of a cereal box.



Crazy eh? I mean, think of how completely batshitcrazy they must be huh?

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 1, 2013 - 03:07am PT
Rick? Are you there? Damn, I've been sitting there waiting for you to come back into the fold to further our debate of this issue of our times over tumblers of cheap rye and cheap cigars like Werner expounds on the spiritual or whatever but I suppose I missed you in between zooming all over the continent installing siding and pouring over and evaluatin' science and stuff. Thats cool, you're a busy scientist and you've got a lot to do besides impart your wisdom on this little humble thread despite keeping a pretty close eye on it.... like Werner or something.

Anyhoo - looking forward to your thoughts on the Freemen on the Land Wacko's and the parallels with the AGW crowd. There's got to be a few but I'm just a little too thick so if you don't mind pointing them out when you have a spare moment.

Take you time though. Its good to mull it over.

Don't forget though, tempting as it is....
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Oct 1, 2013 - 03:16am PT
Tornado in Washington State yesterday, knocked over some rail cars,

whats next, snow in Baja CA?

Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Oct 1, 2013 - 04:21am PT
ok, alright, you win,
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 1, 2013 - 09:41am PT
Werner GET's IT... Again!

No no not true.

When man misbehaves climate changes.

Nature forces man to behave.

Stupid man is always subordinate to Nature.

Now start behaving ......

Whitecoat science will NEVER figure the above out. Ever.

And that is the crux of this and so many other issues that prevail throughout humanity today.











Here is a little something for all you Libs that are planning on voting for Hillary in 2016. Yeah, she is a true crusader for MMGW alright.

....And I also saw one reason why Hillary Clinton might not be thrilled about my movie. I discovered others. In Arkansas, she joined the boards of Walmart and Tyson Foods. One of the largest donors to the Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation is the government of Saudi Arabia. The Clintons' personal net worth now probably exceeds $200 million, and while earned legally, both the money's sources and the Clintons' public statements indicate a strong aversion to rocking boats or making powerful enemies.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-ferguson/hillary-clinton-documentary_b_4014792.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

They are ALL nothing more than a bunch of greedy lying power hungry hypocritical thieves. Every last one of em.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:02am PT
This Judith Curry lady seems coolio! At least she's curious and not chickenshit unlike some fuktards.
Look at this - I tried to get you cry babies to dig into the whole christian evangelism thing and you all ran away to momma. Not Judy Blues eyes. From her blog, 2011:


JC: Tell us about your own involvement in the climate change debate

DG: The 2004 creation care conference that I just mentioned was followed by an effort to draft a simple but significant statement on climate change. It came to be known as the Evangelical Climate Initiative, and I was the principal drafter of the statement. See http://christiansandclimate.org/. The statement, which was released in 2006, basically says: 1) human-induced climate change is real, 2) the consequences of climate change will be significant, and will hit the poor the hardest, 3) Christian moral convictions demand our response to the climate change problem, and 4) We need to act now–governments, businesses, churches, and individuals all have a role to play. It should be noted that the IPCC was treated as foundational for the claims of this document, though the statements of the various national scientific academies were also cited.

About six dozen key evangelical leaders signed the original statement, and it made a major media splash. But then the pushback came, and it was fierce. A newly organized group, eventually known as the Cornwall Alliance (http://www.cornwallalliance.org/);, offered a counter-statement and now exists as a counter-voice to the Evangelical Environmental Network. This group questions mainstream climate science, questions the seriousness of the impact of climate change, expresses worry that the major policy responses under consideration will actually hurt the poor, and is especially negative about government regulation of business activity in the name of climate. I read them as being motivated by a strongly libertarian, laissez-faire economic ideology and a strongly Calvinist theology which leads them to doubt that God would permit human beings to have any serious impact on the climate.

It seems to me that the general turn toward climate skepticism in the US setting over the last couple of years has been influenced by the efforts of this group and others like it. The economic downturn has everyone concerned about doing anything that might negatively affect business and prosperity, and American evangelicalism has tended to revert toward its instinctive political conservatism. For now at least, the ECI looks to have been a high water mark of evangelical environmental activism as it relates to climate change.

JC: What are the ingredients of evangelical climate skepticism? How does creationism play into this?

DG: I have suggested in some public lectures that there are several ingredients of evangelical climate skepticism:

1) Disdain for the environmental movement
2) Distrust of mainstream science in general (evolution vs. creationism is indeed a factor here for some)
3) Distrust of the mainstream media (nicely captured by Sarah Palin’s derisive term “lamestream media”)
4) Loyalty to the Republican Party
5) Libertarian economics as God’s will–God is opposed to government regulation or taxation
6) Misunderstandings of divine sovereignty–God won’t let us ruin creation
7) Unreconstructed Dominion theology–Genesis 1–God calls human beings to subdue and rule creation

To summarize, then: God is sovereign over creation and therefore humans can do no permanent damage. God entrusted the earth to human dominion and we should not be afraid of economic development or other uses of human creativity. God established government for very limited purposes such as providing for the common defense–government should not intervene much in the workings of a free market economy. The Republican Party has taken a skeptical posture toward climate and we support that posture and that party. The media is overplaying climate change worries, at the behest of scientists who cannot be trusted anyway; it may all be a conspiracy to limit our personal and business freedoms and tax us even more. The environmental movement is secular/pagan and has always been a threat to American liberties and has always been anti-business and exaggerated environmental problems.

Nice worldview, huh? I disagree with just about every word of it.


the whole thing is here:

http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/20/understanding-conservative-religious-resistance-to-climate-science/
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:11am PT
And this from JC's Blog YESTERDAY, regarding the AR5:

My original intention for this thread was to go through and try to map the IPCC’s logical argument. I quickly got dizzy owing to seemingly unwarranted assumptions and incomplete information (such as: did the climate models use the correct external forcing for the first decade of the 21st century, or not?). I was then going to illustrate how any reasonable propagation of uncertainty of individual assertions/arguments through their main argument would produce much lower confidence in their overall conclusions. For example, they seem to have eliminated high CO2 sensitivity as a problem. Not to mention high confidence in increasing trend following 2012 (this high confidence comes right after blowing the prediction of the previous decade). And of course not to mention the relevant journal articles that didn’t get mentioned.

Apart from these obvious flaws, reading that text and trying to follow it is positively painful. Can someone remind me again how and why all this is supposed to be useful?


It's all here....

http://judithcurry.com/2013/09/30/ipccs-pause-logic/
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Oct 2, 2013 - 01:23am PT
I'd be fascinated to hear what she thinks of her peer Roy Spencer. Maybe I'll ask her on her blog. I might as well, the heavy weights here are too timid to even discuss it although they are more than happy to assume ideological bias with the IPCC heathens. They'll talk about that til the cows come home but you bring up the Cornhole alliance and he'll change the subject quick as a wink.
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