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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 15, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#321444

USS Skate, at North Pole, March 17, 1959.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:03am PT
So.... any of you hysterians got photos of the NORTH POLE completely FREE OF SEA ICE in the past 10 years???
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Who needs the Sierra Club or the BBC's opinion on an ice-free date?

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:05am PT
I followed one of the links in the comments of the naval history blog and found a news article from time that said there was indeed two surfacings at the pole- first in summer 1958 right behind Nautilus' passage and again in winter 1959. It was Ed's second link which he didn't read with careful enough attention. Even a professor has reading comprehension difficulties at times.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:08am PT
Ah, NO monoboy. Debunked one of your Climate Science PhD fortune tellers.

The BBC’s 2007 report quoted scientist Professor Wieslaw Maslowski, who based his views on super-computer models and the fact that ‘we use a high-resolution regional model for the Arctic Ocean and sea ice

We speak to Wieslaw Maslowski about his prediction that by the summer of 2013, we will have completely lost ice cover in the Arctic. Dr. Maslowski says that the complete loss of summer ice may actually happen sooner.
http://bze.org.au/media/radio/dr-wieslaw-maslowski-predicted-2013-ice-free-summer-arctic-five-years-ago-now-he-says-ma



Show ICE FREE NORTH POLE photos Mono.





AHAHAHAHA.

You can't cus it never happened!



EDH
The Chief, we went over that upthread

No you did not ED.

No one has spoken of Larsen's 1942 NWP voyage. Not a soul.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:16am PT
Yes Ed, two polar surfacings, case solved thankyou.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Really ED H?
but you didn't debunk him, The Chief, that would require you read what he actually wrote (which I posted up above)...

Dr Maslowski’s predicted it ED H. Even revised his time frame back three years. Plain and simple. Never happened either time. End of the decade nor this year.

Dr Maslowski’s previous model had predicted the Arctic to be seasonally ice-free in the summer by 2013 – an estimate that many experts criticized. Factoring in criticisms he received about the original model, Maslowski and his team came up with a new computer model which is supposed to reproduce real-world couplings (interactions) between the Arctic Ocean, the atmosphere, sea ice and rivers that transport freshwater from land to the ocean. The new model is “very similar to the global climate models” the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change (IPCC) uses in its assessments.

The new model also incorporates new data on the thickness of sea ice – which satellites (such as Cryosat-2) are now able to measure more accurately. This new data was one of the reasons Maslowski and his team moved their estimate for summer sea ice disappearance back a few years.

However other experts still remain skeptical about such an early date for the seasonal disappearance of Arctic sea ice. Dr Walt Weiner from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) at the University of Colorado, Boulder, believes that other predictions, which put seasonal Arctic sea ice disappearance closer to 2040 or 2050, to be more likely.

Maslowski says he is not trying to be alarmist; he’s merely letting policymakers know that there is a possibility that there may be no sea ice in the Arctic in the summer by the end of the decade.
http://www.sciencepoles.org/news/news_detail/maslowski_and_team_offer_new_estimate_summer_arctic_sea_ice_disappearance/
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 12:24am PT
EDH
projection (not a prediction)..

Ah. Twist of verbiage solves the issue that he was WRONG.

His SUPER COMPUTERS were WRONG ED H!


Thank God the policy makers ignored him.

The new model also incorporates new data on the thickness of sea ice – which satellites (such as Cryosat-2) are now able to measure more accurately. This new data was one of the reasons Maslowski and his team moved their estimate for summer sea ice disappearance back a few years.

Maslowski says he is not trying to be alarmist; he’s merely letting policymakers know that there is a possibility that there may be no sea ice in the Arctic in the summer by the end of the decade.
http://www.sciencepoles.org/news/news_detail/maslowski_and_team_offer_new_estimate_summer_arctic_sea_ice_disappearance/


Just another example of the complete FAIL on the part of the Computer Modeling business/industry.

Nothing more.


1959 trip that it surfaced...

It in fact surfaced ED H did it not. The thickness of the sea ice is not more than 14-16". Did so on the 17 March at that. No where near the warmest part of the Summer thaw when the sea ice is at it's thinnest. Any idea what "records' indicate as far as total "Volume" that Summer. Hmmmmmm.





dirtbag

climber
Sep 16, 2013 - 01:06am PT
^^^^^ Short man complex. ^^^^
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:08am PT
EDh

What part of his direct quote did you not understand?

"Basically, we're trying to make policymakers and people who need to know about climate change in the Arctic realise there is a chance that summer sea ice could be gone by the end of the decade"

His model failed to produce. Miserably.


Deny however much you want EDH. But the "projection" models are failing miserably. All of em.

The masses are seeing the failure and are turning their backs on the MMGW escapade. Evidenced by the events in Australia and the EU.

Carbon Taxing and Trading are going completely away.

They too are a complete failure. Gone!




Still NO ONE has produced a photo of the North Pole ICE FREE the past TEN YEARS????

EDH, MONO, LARRY HAMILTON???

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 16, 2013 - 02:33am PT
Look, if there is a programer out there who can produce a program that would redact the majority of Chuffs diatribes I would pay good money for it. Without it (or a heart attack on chuffs part) this thread is pretty much dominated by the village idiot. Its a zero. I'm outa here.

I had great hopes that Mad Poodle would live up to his billing. He was the great white hope.

White as in scientists lab coat. Gotta be PC you know.

Chuff you really are an astounding idiot. Probably in the top three I've come across and they're all cut from the same cloth.
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 16, 2013 - 03:01am PT
Look, if there is a programer out there who can produce a program that would redact the majority of Chuffs diatribes I would pay good money for it. Without it (or a heart attack on chuffs part) this thread is pretty much dominated by the village idiot. Its a zero. I'm outa here.

Someone wrote a greasemonkey script that blocks everything from a particular poster. It was created to block the drivelings of one el-ee-bee, who'd pretty much ruin every thread she'd post in. Sorta like Chief Smooth-Brane here. The script worked great.

The Chief. The new LEB.

What's funny, in a tragic way, is how Chief lives for the (negative) attention he gets in this thread and announcing how awesome he is and what we owe him. Enough psychological issues for an entire psychiatric department's worth of grad students.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 16, 2013 - 03:12am PT
^^^^ He doesn't seem that much different than you'all. Other than opinion.

You can't stop a war by keep fighting. Or by quitting (someone else will jus stand up for ya).
Two must stop, and shake hands..
raymond phule

climber
Sep 16, 2013 - 05:53am PT
Interesting, a 1 year "trend" is enough when claiming that AGW is over but a 40 year trend means nothing if it indicates the opposite.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 09:14am PT
RFOOL
Interesting, a 1 year "trend" is enough when claiming that AGW is over ....

Interesting. Where did anyone questioning this MMGW state or post any kind of a "1" trend here then claim "AGW is over"?

Oh, you must be mistaking FRONTOLOBOTME's post about all them supposed "record breaking" weather events that occurred this year (8 months) and attempting to correlate them to MMGW.

Got it.


EDH
how much of a chance?

It doesn't matter a bit ED H. Cus it did not happen as he "projected" "IT MAY" happen, regardless the % or "chance". That is the foundation of so much of this hysteria. "IF", "CHANCE", "COULD". Then you and the rest justify it all with scientific statistical verbiage that in reality, means nothing.

Fact is, it just aint materializing as so many of the MMGW Industrial Researchers are or have been "projecting" it may or can or could or........



Still NO PHOTO of an ICE FREE NORTH POLE/ARCTIC.... LARRY???

HMMMMM.

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 16, 2013 - 09:45am PT
Look, if there is a programer out there who can produce a program that would redact the majority of Chuffs diatribes I would pay good money for it. Without it (or a heart attack on chuffs part) this thread is pretty much dominated by the village idiot. Its a zero. I'm outa here.
Another vote for GreaseMonkey,
I've used it to block the 3 deniers for at least a year.
If you guys wouldn't answer them, I wouldn't know they were here.

Bruce, you need to persuade Cmac to give a programmer access to supertopo to remove posts (or posters) at the site. I'm sure it would be easy to ban the liars from this thread.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 09:56am PT
You aint got nothing. Not a damn thing.

Hell, you can't even produce any kind of photographic evidence of an ICE FREE NORTH POLE/ARCTIC.

Nada.


Reaching a straws FRONTAL just like the bullshet lies you attempted to correlate with your theories yesterday.

Keep reaching clown.

FRONTAL
Melt Puddles, Distant Open Water Visible at North Pole Camera 2

AH, no where near the NP idiot! That was already completely debunked idiot. Shall I repost the location of that bouy at the time that particular photo was taken???

UPDATE 7/26: I received a reply via email from Roger Anderson, who is one of the webcam scientists at the Universtiy of Washington. I had asked him if the media was using the webcams that were NOT at the North Pole, but rather drifting southward. He replied: "Yes, they are. The approximate position of the webcams today (obtained from PAWS Buoy 819920) is 07/25/1500Z 84.773°N 5.415°W." This is even further south than I had placed the buoy, because the data I had was one week old. This puts the webcam at approximately 350 miles south of the North Pole, closer to Greenland than Santa Claus! So no worries, folks, the North Pole is not melting.

The full story of that bullshet propaganda here:
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/did-the-media-just-prove-north-pole-is-not-melting/15739869

Keep reaching.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 10:01am PT
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH^^^^^


Frontalobotme is going to cry foul now.


Keep grasping clown.



You got nothing.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 10:08am PT
Sorry FRONTAL. No where near the pole. Some 350 MILES away.
Total FAIL on your part.... AGAIN.


http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/did-the-media-just-prove-north-pole-is-not-melting/15739869





BTW: Those were MELT PONDS. NOT OPEN WATER fool!

Though the North Pole lake's 15 minutes of fame focused worldwide attention on global warming's effects on Arctic sea ice, the melting is actually part of an annual summer thaw, according to researchers who run the North Pole Environmental Observatory. "The formation of these ponds and their disappearance is part of a natural cycle," said Axel Schweiger, head of the Applied Physics Laboratory's Polar Science Center at the University of Washington, which helps run the observatory.

The lake, about the size of an Olympic swimming pool, started forming in mid-July, LiveScience first reported on July 23. The size and timing of the lake are typical for this time of year and location, the researchers said.



FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL........ TOTAL FAIL!



The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 16, 2013 - 10:21am PT
Wrongo.

You lost again. Clown.

FAIL!
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