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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 21, 2014 - 10:09pm PT
Big difference between belief and understanding... but I wouldn't expect you to know that.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:10pm PT
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/how-a-fanatical-environmentalist-deliberately-caused-uk-flooding/
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 21, 2014 - 11:33pm PT
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Feb 22, 2014 - 12:05am PT
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/02/20/global-climate-report-january-noaa/5642715/
littlehammer

Mountain climber
Land of frozen crags
Feb 22, 2014 - 02:10am PT
you people are demented!
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 22, 2014 - 08:30am PT
We are Saint Louis.
We are the busy working parents with the two kids. We are the students on the quad. We are the baseball coach teaching little league and the kids shagging fly balls. We are two retired guys fishing in the lagoon at Forest park. We are Bosnians eating cevapi on the corner of Chippewa. We are Protestants and Catholics, atheists, Muslims and Jews. We are black and white, old and young, Republicans and Democrats. We are your neighbors. We are Saint Louis. We are the people.

What is it to be a citizen of the United States of America? Above all else, it is to be an active participant in our own democracy. Too often we don’t measure up to this simple aspiration. We are busy people with families to raise and jobs to do. So we sit and watch our leaders bicker and feud - all the while forgetting that they are not our leaders. We are our leaders. We the people.

Climate Change is an issue that requires our urgent collective attention but, most importantly, our action. If you lived in the Midwest this summer you know that something is wrong with the weather. The crops have failed. Water has been rationed. We hit day after day of temperatures never before seen in Missouri. We cancelled our Independence Day Celebrations.

150 years ago President Lincoln set up the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. It was and is the preeminent scientific establishment in the world, functioning independently of politics, providing advice based upon data and scientific fact. It is our Academy, a national treasure, and we should be proud of it, like the US Marine Corps or our Olympic team. The National Academy was established to advise the country on complicated scientific matters, like climate change. The scientists have done their job. On the issue of climate change the science is in. They (and the academies of every other advanced country on the face of the earth) have declared climate change to be a grave, imminent threat to our way of life and perhaps even to our civilization. This is a conclusion shared by the Vatican and other religious authorities. Each of these esteemed bodies has recommended the strongest possible action on this issue. But look around. Where is the plan?

We are not stupid. We do not need a National Academy to tell us that something is very wrong with the weather. We have the evidence or our own senses.

We in Missouri are famed for our “Show me” State slogan. It’s taken from a speech in 1899 by our Representative Willard Vandiver. In response to the words of a colleague Vandiver said “Your frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I am from Missouri. You have got to show me.” We often smile at this quote, but it catches the spirit of Missouri. We are decent, sensible, hard-working people and we know that talk is cheap – you will have to show us.

CASTL (Climate Action Saint Louis) is an apolitical grass-roots organization that aims to achieve effective action on climate change. We will not be satisfied with frothy eloquence. We are Missouri and you will have to show us. Our goal is simple: to force substantive action to address this crisis that threatens our health, our financial stability and our children’s very future. We invite you to stand with us to demand action, not rhetoric, from our elected representatives who are accountable to us, We the People.

http://ca-stl.org/
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Feb 22, 2014 - 08:48am PT
if you google search the following
"something is wrong with the weather" -"kid culture"
you get 9 million hits

some of them are quite interesting:
http://forecastthefacts.org/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/issue/
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/columns/something-in-the-weather-tells-us-climate-change-is-real/article_bb97dc41-1a77-54fb-b75a-0e13654804aa.html
http://fair.org/home/climate-change-is-not-the-future/
http://grist.org/politics/climate-change-no-longer-electoral-kryptonite/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%2520Dec%25202&utm_campaign=daily
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/climate-change-will-pose-rising-burden-on-u.s.-taxpayer-16781
http://grist.org/climate-energy/another-reason-to-worry-about-methane-its-leaking-out-of-the-arctic-ocean-hella-fast/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%2520Nov%25203&utm_campaign=daily
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/weather-without-climate/
dirtbag

climber
Feb 22, 2014 - 09:51am PT
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols



dirtbag

climber
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
LOL...

Chief Pinocchio and his band of merry kooks are pretty desperate.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:36pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/02/22/if-all-you-see-1048/
dirtbag

climber
Feb 22, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
Can you at least post cartoons that are funny?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 22, 2014 - 11:33pm PT

What and where are the errors in the data, rick?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:40am PT
"And there are some stories which do not have two sides. The climate change debate is one of them."


to claim, "the science is settled", is a mockery of science itself


former scientific truths:

the expansion of the universe is slowing

the dinosaurs were cold-blooded

the brontosaurus

nine planets in the solar system

there are three forms of matter

atoms are the smallest particles, etc.

the earth is warming because of human activity and that warming will cause catastrophic changes resulting in millions of deaths in 10...er, 20...oops...30...wait...50 years?


if, in fact, the science is settled, why are so many climate scientists still working as climate scientists? aren't your jobs now obsolete?

perhaps, they, like the great scientists of history who made their own advances through SKEPTICISM, are inspired to prove their predecessors wrong...i wish

dirtbag

climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:50am PT
Fooking Idiot...^^^^^^^^
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 23, 2014 - 10:51am PT
perhaps, they, like the great scientists of history who made their own advances through SKEPTICISM, are inspired to prove their predecessors wrong...i wish

You wish? Why?

Do you have the chief's disease of needing to always be right?

What IF the world is warming and it IS warming because of human activity and the cause of that warming is something we collectively can do something about? Would you STILL WISH the science to be proven wrong?

What if its wrong in the wrong direction?

Do you only respect scientific finding when the findings agree with your prejudice?

That 'I wish' seems to encapsulate the most oft used measuring stick in this thread - "I know what I am but what are you?"

You wish the science to be proven wrong. You think some brilliant scientist is going to look at all this evidence and with a stroke of her pen show the world just how wrong all those scientists are?

Sounds like a superhero to me.

Why are you so desperate?

DMT
dirtbag

climber
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:20am PT
LULZ to the max.

Now that is more in tune with the actual observed data on this website...



Carry on.





Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:26am PT
Chef's ecofreak antiscientism contributions:
Credit: Cheesegraphs
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA1111111!!!!
RIIIIIGHHT1111!!!!!
NNIIIIIIICE!!!!!!1111
GOT IT

Now that is more in tune with the actual observed data on this website...

Credit: Wade Icey
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:31am PT
Chef's FACTUAL and REALISTIC contributions:

LOL















































Total fking FAIL. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! LOSER! Start sucking that water from your shetter





...I guess you deleted all your scatalogical studies...out for peer review?

Credit: Cheesegraphs


Now that is more in tune with the actual observed data in the real scheme of the world...

Spot on!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 23, 2014 - 11:50am PT
Now that is more in tune with the actual observed data of YOUR postings on this website.

See what I mean? The chief always has to be right.

Got it.

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Feb 23, 2014 - 12:27pm PT
Norton, I keep seeing posts from you asking Rick to provide proof the data used in CAGW theory is incorrect. First, off are you referring to Rick #1 (The Chief) or myself # 2? Second, are you challenging my assertion that " the reconstructed data and infills are erroneous", if so be more precise in your wording undersecretary? Until then, let me offer the following observation: increased atmospheric CO2 concentrations are a consequence of cyclical natural global warming much more so than anthropogenic release and this observation alone is enough to invalidate the theory if it was indeed "science" instead of a radical fundamentalist religion used to fund global cronyism. Let me elaborate somewhat- Despite many attempts, consuming platoons of determined fundamentalists and millions of dollars in public money, atmospheric CO2 concentrations are still accepted to rise and fall as a consequence of surface warming/cooling-a fact. In fact the portion of atmospheric CO2 attributable to man is in the 3-6% range, meaning 94-97% percent of the increase as measured by Mauna Loa is natural and overwhelmingly from ocean outgassing. Ocean outgassing of CO2 occurs much more readily in warmer waters, i.e. equatorial waters in which Mauna Loa sits close to. Cooler waters surrounding the poles readily absorb atmospheric CO2. Digest these facts, then consider the primary source of atmospheric CO2 concentrations of the indirectly observed past is from ice cores which were formed in an environment of considerably less CO2 concentrations than Mauna Loa. Therefore using these ice core reconstructions and projecting global atmospheric conditions of the past is a bit improper, unrepresentative of a global average, and adjustments to reflect global conditions from the past from this data is subject to gross bias by the fundamentalist fanatics of the global CAGW church of environmentalism and perpetual support of the scientifically lame that could find no other employ otherwise. There is much, much more, undersecretary Norton, but I fear I waste my breath in explanation to you.

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