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crunch

Social climber
CO
Oct 10, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Nicholas Drapela?

he was not a tenured professor (ie, he had no job security). His continued employment was at the whim of the university.

He'd been teaching there ten years. Sounds like he never published any research in that ten years. To teach as a professor for ten years and not be offered a tenure position indicates long-standing issues.

If a professor is taken on as a non-tenure-track position, it's usually because there is some doubt about their potential. They're sort of on probation. If they want to stay, they really need to bust a gut to publish research papers. To both fail to publish research AND upset one's colleagues with controversial statements is not too smart.

A friend here in Boulder taught astronomy at CU for many years, was rated VERY highly by the students and staff. An excellent teacher, inspiring, fun, about the best lecturer in the department. He'd written and contributed to some great books aimed at the public and at undergraduate students. A real credit to the department. He was let go. There was a big fight over this but the administration got their way. They always do. In the long run he got a new job, elsewhere, where he's happier, now, anyway.

It's too bad that some of the best and most inspiring science teachers are let go. Teaching is a different skill-set to research. Communicating with other scientists is very different from communicating with non-scientists. Public outreach is a real weakness of the scientific community.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Drapela says, "Global Warming doctrine is no longer just a scientific theory; it is a populist social and political tool."

[Drapela's] slideshow suggests global warming is part of a "new world order" and an attempt to establish "global governance," and the only reason people don't link it to solar flares is because they can't make money off of it.

hmmm, in a chemistry class? Gee, I wonder why anyone would have an issue with this.

My guess is you have absolutely no experience in higher education, either as a student or as an instructor. When I teach hydrology or math I always make it a point to discuss how organized religion is part of a huge global conspiracy designed to concentrate power in the hands of white supremacists. Why else would anyone take a hydrology or math class?

Just "hid the road".

ah, yes, I'm sure the prepared statement he was read just said "hid the road."
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
Soylent green ...

When you are on your way to the morgue in forty something years asshulle dipwad, that is exactly what it is going to be....

GEOENGINEERED COLORED LIQUID PLASTIC!



.. believe the iris hypothesis... and Lindzen is from MIT... so his HYPOTHESIS must still be valid and everyone else must be wrong. You can't simply test a hypothesis and discard it when it is proven to be wrong...

AH.


So as I proposed earlier, Larry Hamilton, Mann, Hansen etal have NEVER been wrong.

Got it.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Oh, hey, look everyone... the chuff googled Soylent Green! And appears to have actually read AND COMPREHENDED a couple sentences. We are all so proud. Keep up the good work.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
interesting set of cases you bring up... providing some insights on your point-of-view...


Please elaborate EDH.


Cus I am very curious to see why you consider them... "interesting".
raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:18pm PT

In other words.... you have no idea why he was fired.

In other words... your answer to my post was not relevant to the point I made.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
When I teach hydrology or math I always make it a point to discuss how organized religion is part of a huge global conspiracy designed to concentrate power in the hands of white supremacists.

This of course is at your local PUPPY CLASS correct?


I would really like to know what institution your are teaching at that allows this type of bullshet racists mentality on their faculty.



EDH:


So in regards to this tenured protocol within our institutions of higher education, if a certain "tenured" professor is teaching a totally bogus curriculum, has a openly racist attitude like WESBOYPHD's above, the institutions Board of Reagents just turns a blind eye and allows that individual to remain on active faculty?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
What is ad hom about guessing you have no experience in higher education?

People pay for instruction in a particular subject, and OSU ain't cheap. Nobody who pays for a chemistry class should accept some nutjob's rant about global conspiracies as a substitute. Besides, I know faculty who have taught at institutions for longer than 10 years who were let go for no apparent reason. It happens all the time... something you and all the bloggers you rely on are clearly unaware of.


I would really like to know what institution your are teaching at that allows this type of bullshet racists mentality on their faculty.

hahahaa... what a dipshit!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
... were let go for no apparent reason. It happens all the time.

You WESCHRISTPHDBOY are obviously speaking from personal experience. Getting let go that is... numerous times.

Got it.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:31pm PT

Sure it was. You responded to my question with a bunch of conjecture. I commented on it.

Read the thread before writing more posts. I didn't respond to any of your posts (unless you are the chief) before you made a comment on a post where I even wrote tenure.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Nah, the chuff got it spot on... Soylent Green is "GEOENGINEERED COLORED LIQUID PLASTIC!" Everyone knows that... just like everyone knows all this science and math stuff is part of a vast conspiracy, unless the chuff agrees with the conclusions, in which case the scientists and institutions who espouse those ideas are beyond criticism.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
Because you seem unaware of the fact that when you sign up for a class the instructor is expected to teach students the subject... not go off on wild global conspiracy theories... especially in a CHEMISTRY class.

You also seem unaware of the fact that most instructors do not have tenure and can be let go at any time for any reason, and many of them are.

You also seem unaware that there was more to the prepared statement read to Drapela than "hid the road."

You also seem unaware of just about everything else. (that one is an insult because persistent ignorance deserves insult)
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
Because you seem unaware of the fact that when you sign up for a class the instructor is expected to teach students the subject... not go off on wild global conspiracy theories... especially in a CHEMISTRY class.

So of course Lindzen, Curry, Pielke SR, Christy, Spencer etal do not adhere to this philosophy, correct CHRISTPHDBOY??

They obviously teach conspiracy theories instead of the prescribed course in climate science that the students signed up for at their respective Institutions of Higher Learning. Such as MIT and CU etc.

Got it.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
In other words.... you have no idea why he was fired.

I don't "know" why he was fired. But I'd bet it was mostly because he failed to publish enough research (nothing since 2000!) and failed to bring in money: research grants from outside.

Google search turns up this:

Enantiospecific Synthesis of (+)-Byssochlamic Acid, a Nonadride from the Ascomycete Byssochlamys fulva�, J.D. White, J. Kim, N. Drapela J. Am. Chem. Soc. 2000, 122, 8665.

That's it. Nothing in the 12 years since. What the hell's he been up to?

That's a pretty lousy academic record. Unfortunately, excellence at teaching is not very important for advancing an academic career.

He'd probably have been let go anyway, but his controversial pronouncements about global warming (did he really write that stuff, Mechrist?) may have hastened his exit.

Nothing "unusual" about his firing. The university does not have to give any reason. On the advice of lawyers, the University will therefore say nothing. It reflects badly on the university itself if a mediocre researcher has been kept around way past his best by date and they will not want to admit to this.

Sounds like he's a highly rated teacher so he'll be okay, get good references, find a nice job, prolly more in teaching than academia.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
Not according to PHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



A university cant just fire professors.
raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 04:58pm PT

LOL. I responded to you because you quoted my previous post. I incorrectly thought you were crunch, who I had responded to.

You should take your own advice.

You made a mistake but I should take my own advice and read the thread before posting? I really can't follow that logic...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
What was in the statement?

the only claim regarding the content of the statement was yours:

just "hid the road."
raymond phule

climber
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Rick Poedke, I have to admit that I have been sloppy in some of my posts. The discussion was about Lindzen, a full professor with tenure, and in the rest om my posts I implicitly assumed that we talked about professors with tenure.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
I don't "know" why he was fired. But I'd bet it was mostly because he failed to publish enough research (nothing since 2000!) and failed to bring in money: research grants from outside.

WOW!


So regardless the quality and record of their instruction, a professor can and will get shetcanned for the above reason???

Niiiiiiiice.



I have to admit that I have been sloppy in some of my posts. The discussion was about Lindzen, a full professor with tenure, and in the rest om my posts I implicitly assumed that we talked about professors with tenure.

So you are now going to be on the record as stating that the ONLY reason professors such as Lindzen remain on staff is cus of their "tenure". Regardless the quality of curriculum and instruction?

Another .... niiiiiice.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 10, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Yep, sure does, particularly when university budgets get cut.
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