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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
What are we going to get again by switching from the least expensive electricity source to a more expensive alternative?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
Why were those alternatives more expensive again?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
A word about JE,He has brought some much needed balance and reality to this thread and forum.
I do not know you John,but you are a good man.

Word. I've never met the guy. I called him names years ago and I regret it. He has shown himself to be intelligent, reasonable, thoughtful, and patient. People like JE make the world a better place.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
GONNA mean IS.


RILEDUP:

Ah, USAGI in no where near TIP's power. TIP remains the strongest "EVER". Occurring before the heat all started.

TIP:
On Oct. 12, 1979, Super Typhoon Tip's central pressure dropped to 870 mb (25.69 inches Hg), the lowest sea-level pressure ever observed on Earth, according to NOAA. Peak wind gusts reached 190 mph (306 kph) while the storm churned over the western Pacific.


USAGI
Packing winds as strong as 260 kilometers per hour (162 mph) on Friday, Super Typhoon Usagi is forecast to plow through the Luzon Strait that lies between Taiwan and the Philippines on Saturday.

The storm is then expected to weaken to become a severe typhoon as it heads northwest toward the South China coast, where it is predicted to make landfall near the densely populated city of Hong Kong on Sunday.


I truly hope you do not administer medical services nor prescribe meds in the same fashion you attempt to.... well.


WESPHDBOY
I called him names years ago....

Hmmmm. Like I posted WESBOY, I could NEVER attain the despisement that you have here on ST. Never.

Nice job kid.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
Go fuk yourself you ignorant fuktard.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 20, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
I could NEVER attain the despisement that you have here on ST. Never.


Delusional much?














































KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHUFF WE LOVE YOU YA OLD CUDDLY TEDDY BEAR YOU
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
WESPHDKID

Go fuk yourself you ignorant fuktard.

Be careful little boy. At the rate things aren't going for you all, you will be regretting all the shet talking by this time next year.


Ha!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 20, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Be careful little boy. At the rate things aren't going for you all, you will be regretting all the shet talking by this time next year.

Wonderful... is the Chief and his commune down in Bishop declaring another Jihad on scientists, starting sometime in the next year? Headquarters located somewhere around here...



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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 20, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
What the hell^^^^^^^^^^^^^. The kid has lost it?

Judith Curry has an excellent essay that was just published in the Australian and posted on her website today. Click on The IPCC's "inconvenient truth" for her assessment of the state of climate change affairs.

http://judithcurry.com/
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 21, 2013 - 12:06am PT
WESPHDBOY

Ah, I am no where near LP. No where. This is a far better shot of HOME.




And this is the typical view from our front porch every frkn day year round..... SUCKS don't it!




Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 21, 2013 - 12:33am PT
I could NEVER attain the despisement that you have here on ST. Never
He means he could never LOWER his level down to yours.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Sep 21, 2013 - 01:17am PT
Nice view you have there the chief.

DMT
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 21, 2013 - 10:41am PT
I see Rick and Chuff are steering the discusion away from that which makes them nervous - in this case an examination and challenge to thier notions of principle. This is fantastically hillarious when you realize that it supposedly is their strong point and is their admitted entire reason for their position! Much opportunity was provided for them to explain but as usual they sensed a trap..... as usual of their own making, no surprise when you live in a world of myth.

Well I think it should be more informed by physical science myself so if Rick wants to steer it back there so much the better. Still, the real problem - them - is being swept under the rug again and it must be dealt with at some point.



rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 21, 2013 - 11:35am PT
You are beginning to sound Hitleresque Bruce. " The real problem, them". The meaning of "them" is what you classify as the denialists, just as with the jews an entire segment of society, in this case the majority,are to blame for all the ails. Do you really think Bruce, that just rolling over the denialists, in implementation of a "final solution", will solve the imagined climate problem?.

The only viable solution to our real problems, in our real world, is compromise and failing this war followed by subjugation or negotiated settlement. Why do the prominent mouthpeices of the CAGW movement reject all sensible compromise for the single minded and disastrous push for not ready for prime time renewables and taxation? The ball is in your guys court. Can you rationally explain to all why their is only one solution permissible?

Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 21, 2013 - 11:43am PT
You are beginning to sound Hitleresque Bruce.

Can you rationally explain to all why their is only one solution permissible?

Oops, thread is done. Der Fuhrer has been invoked.

Perhaps you will be able to rationally understand the scientific debate when you learn proper English.

What do you say is the "one solution" being touted? From where I stand, there are multiple sources contributing to the problem needing multiple solutions...

But you B&W ignorami are unable to grasp that.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 21, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Well I think it should be more informed by physical science myself so if Rick wants to steer it back there so much the better.

Rick does not really want to steer it toward science. His "interest" in science is a pose dressed up with sciencey-sounding denialist talking points, which he would like to cite and paste. He has no interest or ability to read actual science. Two recent cases in point:

After Rick praised chronically-wrong Roy Spencer to the sky, I invited him to pick a single one of Roy's papers, read it, and discuss why he thought it was good. I even gave a link to Roy's most recent, post-dating Roy's satellite-temperature mistakes. Rick changed the subject.

When Rick demanded evidence about Antarctic CO2 and temperature, I explained some issues in my own words, then linked to three papers (2012 and 2013 in Science or Nature) giving state-of-the-art views of this topic. But Rick could not read or understand those ideas either, instead declaring
I see you cited abstracts of three comparatively recent papers that attempt to cast doubt on the accepted lag of CO2 to temps. I also see the lag still stands.

And then citing Ian Plimer of all people as an authority. George Montbiot has a good journalistic takedown of Plimer's falsehoods

Jones took up my charge and asked Plimer whether he stood by his claim that volcanoes produce more CO2 than all the world's cars and industries.

Plimer replied "I'm very heartened that a journalist is correcting me on my geology", then launched into a disquisition on how I know nothing about science. Both of us pressed him to answer the question. So Plimer said that neither of us had read his book. We both replied that we had and pressed him again.

Plimer tried to argue that the US Geological Survey only measured emissions from terrestrial volcanoes – not from submarine volcanoes. Jones, who had plainly done his homework, pointed out that a UK journalist (I think he was referring to the Guardian's James Randerson) had gone back to the USGS and asked them whether or not submarine volcanoes were included in its calculations. They were.

Plimer went off at a tangent, starting to list the numbers and kinds of submarine volcanoes. This, I soon found, was a characteristic tactic: when faced with a tricky situation, he starts throwing out random facts. I pointed out that he had been told many times that the USGS figures include submarine volcanoes: he was making a claim on national television that he should know is wrong.


Plimer's false claims have been exposed in peer-reviewed papers as well, notably this by Terry Gerlach writing in Eos. Gerlach also wrote a less technical piece for Earth magazine.

“Volcanoes add far more carbon dioxide to the oceans and atmosphere than humans.” So says geologist Ian Plimer of the University of Adelaide in his 2009 best seller “Heaven and Earth: Global Warming — the Missing Science.” With this assertion, Plimer brings volcanic carbon dioxide degassing front and center in the climate change debate, reviving and reinforcing this wildly mistaken notion.

Although discussions of volcanic carbon dioxide emissions make up less than 5 percent of “Heaven and Earth’s” text, the alleged predominance of volcanic over human carbon dioxide emissions is one of its most publicized takeaway messages. And one that will reverberate in the media and blogosphere — no matter how vociferously professionals who investigate volcanic carbon dioxide emissions bristle and huff about how appallingly at odds Plimer’s claim is with our research findings.
AndyMan

Sport climber
CA
Sep 21, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
All you alarmists, fightened pussies and lack-of-warming-for-the-past-two-decades denialists probably haven't noticed it, but there's just been an all time record INCREASE in Arctic summer sea ice.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 21, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
Interesting, so no warming for two decades. Please tell us more AndyMan....

Does one year 'recovery' mean the trend is broken?

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 21, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
Hey Andy Man,do tell ,all time increase,like "ever".
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 21, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
I read the abstracts Larry. They were just rehashes of previous suppositions dressed up as studies. You guys have problems all over the board with the models projections, Antarctica just being one. Of course, you would elaborate on the zealots take down of Ian Plimer and Roy Spencer - it's always the same with any scientist in rebuttal. When you guys shed yourselves of the prominent mouthpeices of hysterics and start mixing in studies of natural negative feedback mechanisms perhaps the field will regain a bit of respectability. For now though, you have lost the populous- just look at Australia, Eastern Europe, and growing discontent in western Europe for the direction this is heading. Do you really think the reduction schemes stand a chance here in the U.S. or the developing nations?
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