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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Credit: wilbeer
With a couple of brats and beer.


Your right ,your right ,your always right.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
ok werner must be out ground pounding. How about you Chuff? You seem to be a literalist to an extreme dgree judging by your obsession with "gone glaciers".

How do you explain why you judge the soon, Briggs, Legetes, Bunkton paper as true considering you wouldn't know either way and it has yet to be critiqued by those who would?

Arrogance? Stunted intellectual development? Did I miss anything?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
BruceK:
Did I miss anything?

Ya.... the truth.

But keep singing the song bruce.

"Deny Deny Deny the Decline!"


It aint happening Bruce and you keep saying it is.


Wilber:

With brats????

Blasphamey!!



All yours Rick S. All yours ..... Good luck in getting EDH to come clean.
Spitzer

climber
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
The Earth radiates from the core to the global surface something like 0.8 watts per sq. meter.

rick sumner, why do you keep posting the wrong number when it is so easy to look up the correct one?

"The mean heat flows of continents and oceans are 65 and 101 mW m−2, respectively, which when areally weighted yield a global mean of 87 mW m−2 and a global heat loss of 44.2 10^12 W, an increase of some 48% over earlier estimates." http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/93RG01249/abstract
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
As far as i know Rick, thermoclines etc etc only act one way, and turnovers due the same, at least in lakes up to tahoe size. Thats if for certain.



And the GW hiatus is what its now reffered to? I thought it was the great pause?

And Chiloes article presents some compelling questions like: The "hiatus" not fitting the models,,, uuhhhhhh yeah.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
"Blasphemy" ha.
A buddy is from Wisconsin and he insisted,he packed in 8 brats,frozen,we ate them for 4 days.It was really damn good.
I always bring a clove of garlic and a lemon when i fish,and that skillet.
Credit: wilbeer
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 3, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Well thanks Ron for the answer. I'm beginning to wonder the true extent of the unknowns compared to the knowns of climate science. Ed evaded answering a couple of what should be simple questions if these climate science guys knew their ass from a hole in the ground. It is apparent they haven't a clue how the system as a whole works as there is more unknowns than known. Also the data collection, as MD has stated, is not up to anywhere near what oit should be to make any definitive analysis other than endless and biased manipulation by graphics. Do you have any answers Ed, and please don't resort to the stupidity of answering that it is beyond our comprehension because we are not practitioners of advanced science which has become more akin to voodoo than the science of old.

Looked great Wilbeer, will have to look you up for some campcookery if ever i venture into your region.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/03/if-all-you-see-879/
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
The Chief, I think you should blow off this thread.... and focus on some of these skills :)

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
Can't believe I missed Chief's source for his graphs...Tisdale. LOLZ! Chief, why don't you tell us how Tisdale arrives at his trend lines?

This should be particularly entertaining if Tisdale's past is any indication (where he was caught "eyeballing" trend lines rather than doing any actual data analysis).
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Well Ed, right up front in the abstract it states there is a lack of data, need deep ocean observatory, can't seperate the source of neutrinos. So the rest is at best a guesstimate.

Does the ocean not have many of the same components as the atmosphere- H2O, CO2, Nitrogen? Besides the commonly accepted surface boundaries doesn't the atmosphere extend into the humus and below into the earth, doesn't it extend into the surface waters, and can't the same be said of earth and water extending into atmosphere? Bear with me, i'm going somewhere.What is the best guesstimate that you are aware of for cause of oceanic oscillations, during a negative oscillation doesn't the sea surface lower- even infintesimally, during a positive phase oscillation doesn't the sea surface rise- even infinitesimally, is there precise mechanisms in place to measure atmospheric boundary layers and changes in volume? What the hell did you climb anyway? There is no trip report, were you too stoned on acid out on the playa to confess what you had wrought.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
chief has an extra chromosome 21?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
"What the hell did you climb anyway? "

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2216989&msg=2217014#msg2217014
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 3, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
if these climate science guys knew their ass from a hole in the ground. It is apparent they haven't a clue how the system as a whole works as there is more unknowns than known.


Interesting hypothesis Rick. Can you back this up - wait. I know you can't because as you have aknowledged numerous times you don't understand how the science works. So you assume that the climate scientist don't know jacksh#t. How do you assume this? what process of reasoning informs you? Why do you chose the opinion of one set of experts over the other? Why do you chose one interpretation of data sets over another? You've never quite adequately explained the role that your intuition plays in determining your ah, judgements. does Intuition and your commonsense deductive reasoning account for the bulk of your judgement? Does it play a limited role and if so what are the factors that define the limits? How do you know that it is leading you in the right direction?

Do you think these are valid questions to most people but would infuriate Huff and chuff and drive Werner into an apoplectic fury?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:03pm PT












Above is the "HIATUS". Confirmed to be true by the IPCC in the soon to be released AR5



The Truth.



Stop denying it.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
The "HIATUS" or Stall in temps ED is 15-20 years. Just like we have all here that you all deem idiots been saying.

Don't deflect ED.

Why do you keep denying it.

The IPCC even agrees and concurs that it is true.

Why can't you???


which translates to a 1.33C increase per century...


NOT if this HIATUS stays around for a while as some say, them some being YOUR GUYS. That is what is reaaally worrying your buddies out in the field. READ the paper that CHILOE posted.

The MODELS NEVER indicated it nor included it. Thus the fail. Total fail of the modeling process in place. That is from YOUR PEOPLE Ed. They are very "concerned" at the process.




They are worried...... concerned. That is from YOUR PEOPLE. Not me/mine. It is in the paper.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
Spare me the amateur psychoanalysis Bruce- it's getting a little old and stale. Anyway i asked the maestro some valid questions that should be readily answerable, if not common knowledge of a "mature and certain science", and he referred me to a certain table in a whole paper of guesstimation. I did at least get that the actual value is .01 wm-2, rather than the .8 wm-2 i faultily remembered. The CAGW community is expecting IPCC to double down on the certainty of the consensus and a climate sensitivity still well above what even Ed was acknowledging a few months back. Anyway my questions are just a few of the thousands that must be accurately understood, explained, quantified before there can be anything other than bias reported by " the consensus". Surely, you can understand this Bruce.
skypenguin

Sport climber
Bishop
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
I agree that a government top down solution to slow business and cut back individual carbon use will never work. We need innovation to solve this solution with a market approach. When we can produce carbon free energy cheaper than fossil fuels then the economics will solve our carbon problem.

Here's a really neat TED talk about smaller scale and safer nuclear Fission.
http://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_wilson_my_radical_plan_for_small_nuclear_fission_reactors.html

Another longer term program is Nuclear Fusion. I'm not talking about tin-foil hat alien stuff. There are tens of billions being spent on working prototypes right now. It's about the same price as fossil fuels but will be carbon neutral. The Pulse fusion reaction is a really neat example.
Check out this video from Google's engineering talks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhKB-VxJWpg
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Spare me the amateur psychoanalysis Bruce- it's getting a little old and stale. Anyway i asked the maestro some valid questions that should be readily answerable,

Sure but While we're waiting for Jerry to crunch numbers you can humor me. I mean why not? You engage in amateur climate science and expect Ed to humor you endlessly. Psycho babble as you like to coin it is of significance to the subject correct? It is also a field in which we can all claim a greater familiarity and even expertise in than climate science - correct? You do interact directly with people every day of your life don't you? Me too. Certainly neother of us are expert but compared to climate science our capacity to observe and test is infinitely greater.

Come on you studious student of science you. Broaden your field of enquiry into something that is undeniably relevant and will involve some courage on your part. Remember, it may frighten you but the deal is if you accept the challenge then so must I.

I don't see how you ca say no..... unless you're a chickensh#t.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 3, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
psst now it a 15 to 20 yr "hiatus".. Dontcha hate that pesky but LOUD FACT!
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