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Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Sep 8, 2013 - 11:37am PT
They Australians were ahead of us on this climate change front. The people have awakened and Australians are again ahead of us, this time in treating the mass hysteria that delivered job losses, skyrocketing energy bills, unreliable current generation alternative energy, and no net CO2 reduction. The new prime minister and government was elected, to a large degree, by vowing to end the carbon tax.Read em and weep,or jump for joy
rick sumner

This is the kind of attitude that we are up against, pure hate for the environment and environmentalists

They don't care about the science, it's all about us against them, and pure selfishness.

he is 100% wrong about his claims of "mass hysteria that delivered job losses, skyrocketing energy bills, unreliable current generation alternative energy, and no net CO2 reduction"

well maybe you may have to pay an extra couple cents for gas, but it's being used to save the F-ing planet! don't want to pay the extra tax, go carbon free.

It makes me sick that there are so many people out with the same attitude

My prediction: Australia will be very sorry for their decision, and they will rebel against the conservative agenda, and bury him next election.
Is Canada happy with their conservative PM? Hell no, he is ruining the country for profit and joining the race to the bottom.

What ever happened to raising the standard of living a goal for the future?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Naive side.

So ,I do not believe the FF industries want to hamper ones economic mobility,or create economic disruptions either.

But that is exactly what they do.

Well offers like yourself are well isolated from this fact.
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
The oil companies are often behind funding the rabid greens by extortion or willingly as a way, through increased regulation and cost of entry, to eliminate their lesser competitors.

This is true, to a large degree, with CERCLA and RCRA regulations. Big oil, in this case, was behind the push to clean up groundwater contamination knowing that mom and pop service stations would be unable to do so. Resulting bankruptcies of the "little guys" left only the majors on your streetcorners. But then, this isn't a big secret, just look at the last page of most of the regs in CFR 1910 and 1923 to see where the input comes from in writing our regs.... environmental and otherwise.

Asbestos control and mitigation regulation is another example of sensible public health policy going down the shihtter of greed and opportunity.

Unless the majors are suddenly in the green energy biz (along with the big-3 auto companies), they're pulling all of the opposing strings on the regulatory puppet. This is why we desperately need campaign finance reform NOW.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Well said Dr.F and Fort Mental.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
And why do they call those events by "100 yr" events? Well because on average they happen every 100 yrs,, at least thats the general thought eh?

You understand nothing about the occurrence of these events.

A "100 year event" is a statistical description that means there is a 1% chance of that event being exceeded each year. You would know that if you paid attention in high school Earth Science.

A "100 year event" could be exceeded every year for 10 years, and then not again for 990 years, and it would still be a "100 year event."

Most professionals know the underlying assumptions of stationarity, independence, and constant probability distribution used to calculate the "XXX year event" are violated. Not many people in the field use the "XXX year event" without at least some clarification.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
yeah, I copied the wrong bits.
Dr. F.

Boulder climber
SoCal
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
And campaign reform can only happen if we vote in a Majority of liberals and have a Liberal President that will appoint liberal Supreme Court Justices.

Only the liberals are doing anything about this problem, and our founding fathers, which were liberals were well aware that this could happen, and put in regulations to make sure that this would never happen, but they have all been removed one by one by conservatives.

This was the conservative agenda all along, buy up the Government for their own needs and profit.

Our SCOTUS majority think that Corporations are people, and they can bribe all the Government officials they want, money is speech, money can buy elections, money can buy legislation to trump human rights.
it's a despicable hijacking of our Democracy
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
Got back from shooting doves this am.. As i awaited the sunrise, it dipped down to 39/40 degrees here. VERY COOL for this time of year, but then its been a cooler year than normal here. Seems the world is filled with "anomalies" these days eh?
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
Seems the world is filled with "anomalies" these days eh?

You cracking open a book would certainly be one.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 8, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Just got through reading Eco Fascists By E. Nickson..
FortMentäl

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Sep 8, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
Just got through reading Eco Fascists By E. Nickson..

The ostensible motivation for the book comes from a dispute Nickson has with her neighbours over subdividing her rural lot.

Eco-Fascists alternates thus between a broadband denunciation of all things green and a detailed accounting of her own tedious and picayune conflict involving the arcane business of density transfers, easements and zoning.
The connection in her mind is that her experience is directly analogous to the plight of "a Thai forest dweller, a Sussex sheep farmer or anyone who scrimped over a lifetime to buy oceanfront property." All their dreams are crushed by misguided environmentalism.

Nickson's only other book was a novel, Monkey Puzzle Tree, in 1995. She wrote a column for the National Post which was dropped in 2004 amid accusations of plagiarism.

For fux sake..... really? Do you also wipe bits of Jonah Goldberg off your chin every morning?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10294082/Global-warming-No-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html

Saw another article this morning about CA's climate. Because of the dependence on the citrus industry remarkably accurate records have been kept for the state.

Since 1896 the increase in average temperature has been 1.5 f
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Thanks TGT, that's pretty close to .8 C global temp change we've been talking about all along.

What's your point?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
Fartmental, you obviously havent read that book.. She is spot on with some natural resource issues and water issues..


And Riles,, yes i blasted doves this am with ruthless abandon.. I will feast on their flesh later. They will be cleaned, rolled in a mix of crushed ritz crackers and a little flour, with pepper, garlic and a pinch of lowrys added. Then fried in light olive oil - just enough to coat the pan bottom well.. Throw in for good measure will be halfed cherry tomatoes, chopped red onions...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/08/if-all-you-see-884/

Pomona CA 1900



Present.



You think the heat island effect may be at work here maybe?

(along with most other once oppon a time citrus growing areas of the state)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Heat island effect has been adjusted for in the global average data sets.

Anthony Watts, you know, the Fox weatherman, was part of a paper that confirmed the temps were being calculated correctly and the proper adjustments made.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
Yes,, of course they have.. (Snicker,, guffaw).

Hey i have an idea, lets invite millions of refugees, lillegal aliens and the like to come here and put up even more concrete and asphalt whilst they breed like rabbits.!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
Keep on grasping at straws, Anderson.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
i was really expecting a monograph..;-)
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 8, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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