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Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 21, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
The AAS award recognizes Turney for his scientific contributions, some of which can be seen here.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 21, 2014 - 07:02pm PT
Sounds like blahblah's right-winger knows nothing but the ad hom yuk-yuks too.

Chiloe, my right-winger is just a humorist (and a retired patent lawyer with whom I used to work). I liked his polar bear joke, and it seemed apropos to this thread both for the ice component and the polar bears (which as I recall were hotly debated a few thousand posts ago).

If you can't see a little humor in an anti-global-warming crusader getting iced in as he attempts to document the decline in sea ice, sheesh, what can you say.

Quite a few posters on this this thread could stand to lighten up, regardless of what they think about climate change.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 21, 2014 - 07:21pm PT
If you can't see a little humor in an anti-global-warming crusader getting iced in as he attempts to document the decline in sea ice, sheesh, what can you say.
That would be funny if it were true, but every part of your statement is false. Did you not know that? The political ad hom attacks rest on dishonesty so no, they aren't nearly so hi-larious as you think.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 21, 2014 - 07:30pm PT
Here's a partial list of research articles by blahblah's "anti-global warming crusader," actually a scientist but they all look alike. Numbers after each entry are the number of citations (per Google Scholar) and year of publication.
IntCal09 and Marine09 radiocarbon age calibration curves, 0-50,000 yeats cal BP
PJ Reimer, MGL Baillie, E Bard, A Bayliss, JW Beck, PG Blackwell, CB Ramsey ... 2293 2009

Archaeology and age of a new hominin from Flores in eastern Indonesia
MJ Morwood, RP Soejono, RG Roberts, T Sutikna, CSM Turney, KE Westaway, WJ ...
Nature 431 (7012), 1087-1091 309 2004

Changes in fire regimes since the Last Glacial Maximum: an assessment based on a global synthesis and analysis of charcoal data
MJ Power, J Marlon, N Ortiz, PJ Bartlein, SP Harrison, FE Mayle, A Ballouche ...
Climate Dynamics 30 (7-8), 887-907 205 2008

Early human occupation at Devil's Lair, southwestern Australia 50,000 years ago
CSM Turney, MI Bird, LK Fifield, RG Roberts, M Smith, CE Dortch, R Grün, E ...
Quaternary Research 55 (1), 3-13 175 2001

Radiocarbon dating of" old" charcoal using a wet oxidation, stepped-combustion procedure.
MI Bird, LK Ayliffe, LK Fifield, CM Turney, RG Cresswell, TT Barrows, B David
Radiocarbon 41 (2), 127-140 168 2006

The ‘human revolution’in lowland tropical Southeast Asia: the antiquity and behavior of anatomically modern humans at Niah Cave (Sarawak, Borneo)
G Barker, H Barton, M Bird, P Daly, I Datan, A Dykes, L Farr, D Gilbertson ...
Journal of Human Evolution 52 (3), 243-261 138 2007

Millennial and orbital variations of El Nino/Southern Oscillation and high-latitude climate in the last glacial period
CSM Turney, AP Kershaw, SC Clemens, N Branch, PT Moss, LK Fifield
Nature 428 (6980), 306-310 138 2004

Extraction of rhyolitic component of Vedde microtephra from minerogenic lake sediments
CSM Turney
Journal of Paleolimnology 19 (2), 199-206 102 1998

The use of microtephra horizons to correlate Late-glacial lake sediment successions in Scotland
CSM Turney, DD Harkness, JJ Lowe
Journal of Quaternary Science 12 (6), 525-531 99 1997

A new and less destructive laboratory procedure for the physical separation of distal glass tephra shards from sediments
SPE Blockley, SDF Pyne-O’Donnell, JJ Lowe, IP Matthews, A Stone, AM Pollard ...
Quaternary Science Reviews 24 (16), 1952-1960 77 2005

Redating the onset of burning at Lynch's Crater (North Queensland): implications for human settlement in Australia
CSM Turney, AP Kershaw, P Moss, MI Bird, LK Fifield, RG Cresswell, GM Santos ...
Journal of Quaternary Science 16 (8), 767-771 77 2001

Asynchronous climate change between New Zealand and the North Atlantic during the last deglaciation
CSM Turney, MS McGlone, JM Wilmshurst
Geology 31 (3), 223-226 75 2003

Towards a European tephrochronological framework for Termination 1 and the Early Holocene
SM Davies, NP Branch, JJ Lowe, CSM Turney
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London. Series A ... 75 2002

Devensian Lateglacial environmental changes in Britain: a multi-proxy environmental record from Llanilid, South Wales, UK
MJC Walker, GR Coope, C Sheldrick, CSM Turney, JJ Lowe, SPE Blockley, DD ...
Quaternary Science Reviews 22 (5), 475-520 73 2003

The chronology of palaeoenvironmental changes during the Last Glacial-Holocene transition: towards an event stratigraphy for the British Isles
JJ Lowe, HH Birks, SJ Brooks, GR Coope, DD Harkness, FE Mayle, C Sheldrick ...
Journal of the Geological Society 156 (2), 397-410 67 1999

Implications for the dating of Wisconsinan (Weichselian) Late-Glacial events of systematic radiocarbon age differences between terrestrial plant macrofossils from a site in SW Ireland
CSM Turney, GR Coope, DD Harkness, JJ Lowe, MJC Walker
Quaternary Research 53 (1), 114-121 64 2000

Catastrophic early Holocene sea level rise, human migration and the Neolithic transition in Europe
CSM Turney, H Brown
Quaternary Science Reviews 26 (17), 2036-2041 61 2007

Tephrochronology of Last Termination sequences in Europe: a protocol for improved analytical precision and robust correlation procedures (a joint SCOTAV–INTIMATE proposal)
CSM Turney, JJ Lowe, SM Davies, V Hall, DJ Lowe, S Wastegård, WZ Hoek, B Alloway
Journal of Quaternary Science 19 (2), 111-120 61 2004

Radiocarbon analysis of the early archaeological site of Nauwalabila I, Arnhem Land, Australia: implications for sample suitability and stratigraphic integrity
MI Bird, CSM Turney, LK Fifield, R Jones, LK Ayliffe, A Palmer, R Cresswell ...
Quaternary Science Reviews 21 (8), 1061-1075 60 2002

Carbon isotope fractionation in wood during carbonization
CSM Turney, D Wheeler, AR Chivas
Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 70 (4), 960-964 55 2006
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 21, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
In case anyone's got better things to do than wade through Chiloe's cut-and-paste job and needs a quick laugh, here are some other views Chiloe's new polar hero and modern-day Shackleton:

http://notrickszone.com/2014/01/06/expedition-fiasco-leader-professor-chris-turney-fibs-again-now-claims-akademik-shokalskiy-is-an-icebreaker/

http://www.sott.net/article/271515-Chris-Turney-aka-Chris-the-penguin-Fool-in-chief

Edit--if Chiloe can watch the video in the second link above and not have some laughs, he's even more of a humorless curmedgeon that I thought.
Even if you think Turney should get a Nobel prize for something or other, can you not admit there was something a little bizarre about the entire enterprise?

And not take the fun out of it, but a more critical person may wonder who was paying for this stuff, including the good professor's wife and kids' vacation.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 21, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
can you not admit there was something a little bizarre about the entire enterprise?
What, that a ship got stuck in sea ice near Antarctica?

Can you not admit that every part of your declaration below is false? Or do you still believe it and that's why you're still sure it's yukyuk?
an anti-global-warming crusader getting iced in as he attempts to document the decline in sea ice
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 21, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
If only Larry had some hair left to let down over his overly stuffed shirt's stiff collar. He probably cried as a child when he watched the Roadrunner cartoon.

Larry, you need to study the works of the great Dr. Hartouni for a statistically significant sense of humor.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 21, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
If all you got out of the story is that a ship got caught in sea ice, I give up. Quite a few million people around the world seemed to get a bit more out of it than that, but if you're not one of them, so be it.

Can you not admit that every part of your declaration below is false? Or do you still believe it and that's why you're still sure it's yukyuk?
an anti-global-warming crusader getting iced in as he attempts to document the decline in sea ice

I'm not sure that a quick post about a joke relating to climate change made on a climbing forum really qualifies as "declaration," at last as most people use the word,
But yes, if every part of my, let's call it a "statement," can be shown false, then I'll own up to it.
From quick Googling, it does appear that the redoubtable Prof. Turney is indeed a committed anti-global warmer. You may not like me calling him a "crusader," but that hardly makes it a false statement.
And a purpose of the voyage, as I understand it, was in fact to document evidence of climate change.

If I'm mistaken on the above, I'm sure Chiloe can enlighten us!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 21, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
"Weak kneed"- how did you know. Got a hell of a flu going, hurt all over including the knees. As far as Ak, i wouldn't know other than the on the ground reports from my son(s) every third day or so when they call with this question or that. Plenty of snow (above average) on dec 30 when we returned to nv, since then the precip and temps have been all over the board according to aforementioned sons. Doggie donations safely inert till breakup. You got to admit that Larry's sense of humor is statistically indistinguishable from zero.

Well, very good Larry, that's a start. Now you really should look to Ed for some additional pointers.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 21, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
I don't laugh with Rush Limbaugh, either, though sometimes I laugh at him.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 08:26pm PT
Anyone trying to fit straight lines to the data is a fool. <br/>
Anyone sh...
Anyone trying to fit straight lines to the data is a fool.
Anyone showing only a piece of the data is also a fool.
Credit: Malemute

This is the HadCRUT 4 gl data from
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4-gl.dat

I've plotted the annual value against the year (blue line).
The green line is smoothed via acsplines.
The red line is smoothed via a bezier curve.
Calculations & plotting is all done in gnuplot.
(see below for smoothing info)


My comments:
Anyone trying to fit straight lines to the data is a fool.
Anyone showing only a piece of the data is also a fool.


Smoothing info:
The `acsplines` option approximates the data with a "natural smoothing spline". After the data are made monotonic in x (see `smooth unique`), a curve is piecewise constructed from segments of cubic polynomials whose coefficients are found by the weighting the data points; the weights are taken from the third column in the data file.

The `bezier` option approximates the data with a Bezier curve of degree n (the number of data points) that connects the endpoints.

gnuplot commands:
set terminal wxt 0 size 800,600

set grid
set nokey
set title "HadCRUT 4gl data (annual)"
set xtics 1850, 20, 2013
set xrange [1850:2013]

set linestyle 1 linetype 3 linewidth 2 pointtype 12 pointsize 0
set linestyle 2 linetype 1 linewidth 4 pointtype 12 pointsize 0
set linestyle 3 linetype 2 linewidth 4 pointtype 12 pointsize 0

set multiplot

set yrange [-0.7:0.7]
set ytics -0.7, 0.1, 0.7

set xlabel "Year"
set ylabel "Temperature Deviance"

# plot the original data
plot "HadCRUT4-gl-annual.dat" using 1:2 with linespoints ls 1
set noarrow

# smooth the data
plot "HadCRUT4-gl-annual.dat" using 1:2:(1.0) smooth acsplines with linespoints ls 3

plot "HadCRUT4-gl-annual.dat" using 1:2 smooth bezier with linespoints ls 2

set nomultiplot

Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
So the chump stole my intellectual property.
That's a violation of the SuperTopo terms of service.

Accordingly, you agree that you will not copy, reproduce, alter, modify, or create derivative works from the Service.
http://www.supertopo.com/termsofservice.pdf

I reckon he's too stupid to make his own graphs.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
Hey WELBEERE!!!!

Just like the one WELBEERE just posted...


Name-calling
Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices in their hearers in the intent that the bad names will cause hearers to construct a negative opinion about a group or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist wants hearers to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions about a matter apart from impartial examinations of facts. Name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against the an idea or belief on its own merits.

So you mispelled his name again? LOL!
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:29pm PT
This is my graph. I created it from the data using gnuplot.
It was easy. A smart 8 year old could do it.


Anyone trying to fit straight lines to the data is a fool.
Anyone showing only a piece of the data is also a fool.

I see two major downtrends, but the graph shoots up after each of them.
So IF we are currently in a downtrend, it does not mean warming has stopped.
Anyone who thinks so is an idiot.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:35pm PT
I know the chump couldn't plot it.
That's why he has to steal & copy.
Those with no intellect have to steal other's intellectual property.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:39pm PT
The schrapnel is in the head right?
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:43pm PT
Didn't he fall out of the ugly tree and hit his head on every branch on the way down.
He was at the top of the tree looking for cones ... ice cream cones.

Life is tough.
It's tougher if you're stupid.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:50pm PT

Stupid people think this is a log log plot.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
The chump is too stupid to realize I've had him on greasemonkey for 2 years.
What a dumbass!

I can't imagine how stupid you'd have to be to drop out of grade 10 & join the navy.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 21, 2014 - 10:02pm PT
You'd be better off having a conversation with yer dog.
But if you want to marvel at how dumb trailer trash are, this is the place.
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