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Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
Zero for 4? What are you talking about? I gave my take on the situation. Sorry if it upset your apple cart. It's telling how you don't respond to my questions. Instead, you just whine about my poor behavior or make sweeping condemnations of my posts, without specifics. I get it. You just want to play "gotcha".
OK, 0 for 1 so far on this one. You posted a great big note with few words, a still from Home Alone, lots of exclamation points and elipsis ... but no visible thoughts. I invited you to try to articulate those thoughts, if you had any. It seems not.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
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Peer reviewed dumbass!
Peer reviewed dumbass!
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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
From Ed:
As for why the "hiatus" I think that there is a lot of discussion, but first why is there perceived to be a hiatus?
The expected increase in temperatures were higher previous to 2000 then the observed increases...

. . .

We've been over this many times. That you guys are still harping on it probably means you don't have the
intellectual horse power to actually get the explanation.

Only one problem Ed, you forgot to cast blame on the deep ocean, which the warmists would have us believe mysteriously started acting as a new-and-improved heat sink only when the hiatus began. That's the standard warmist party line that we've heard on this website and in the popular press.
Ed, you'd do well to remember what duplicitous parents teach their children:
it's often a good idea to tell the truth purely for logistical reasons--otherwise it's just too hard to keep track of your tangled web of lies.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
My point was that the drought has nothing to do with AGW. Contrary to many a blog, article and site.

Fine. So what?

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Again, what were you talking about with the "0 for 4" comment? Specifically.
0 for 2 on this one now, you're doing it again. You've responded twice to my post inviting you to articulate an original train of thought behind your own post -- which was large, noisy and yet seemingly idea-free. There must be some reason you thought that was clever, but neither of your two responses so far has even tried to articulate that.

Here's your whole post, again, without the movie still and block quotes. In a third try, can you articulate your thinking?
In other words, we haven't experienced the anticipated warming because of...wait for it...Natural forcings!!!!
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
give'er a shot sketch
new world order2

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity itself,” -Club of Rome-

Whether there is global warming or not, is this how you want to live?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFsoRQYpFM

^^In a world with no private land, nor automobile ownership?
A world where meat consumption is against the law?
Where we live in mega cities, in tiny 500 sq. foot apartments?


See Agenda 21, for a look into the future.

Credit: new world order2

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
Record heat grips Australia killing thousands of animals



While the US is stricken by freezing cold, Australia is suffering a record heat with temperatures approaching 50C (122F) in some parts of the country and leaving thousands of animals dead.


A wave of stifling heat started began around Christmas and continues to move counterclockwise across Australia's north and into the south. The latest scorcher comes on the heel of Australia’s hottest year on record.

High temperatures are now shifting into Western Australia, with large areas being “under extreme heatwave to severe heatwave.”

"Certainly looking at the forecast over the next week, it's looking like that heat is going to continue," Karly Braganza of the Bureau of Meteorology has told the AP.

Already in January, 10 heatwave conditions are expected to expand eastwards and reach parts of South Australia.

Since December 27, temperature records have been set at 34 locations across Australia, according to the Bureau.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
NWO2 likes that screaming image of Karl Marx with a Nazi death-camp Star of David on his coat. He's posted it a number of times. Why the Supertopo community tolerates such a poster I don't know.
new world order2

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:03pm PT
That's funny, Larry.

I'm pretty sure I have posted that particular picture once.....mayyyybe twice.

Weak sauce, Larry. Weak.

Please view the vid, Larry. Is this how you want to live???

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
"Where they take out the natural variability of .......... the remaining temperature anomaly is" . Now come on professor, we dont live in that artificial construct where all natural variability, both knownand unknown and of values you scientists might well have wrong, Is fully known and quantified beyond a shadow of doubt , then magically removed,do we? We live on Earth not in one of the blessed computer models. Please spare us further carpet bombing exposure to Chiloes simplistic model whereby he uses questionable values for all the components to arrive with a good fit to observations. He could have used any natural variability including the pattern of thrown chicken bones to arrive at his fit.
Larry can you please join Bruce in his proud declaration of being a communist, after only 23, 000 posts of denial.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:15pm PT
While the US is stricken by freezing cold, Australia is suffering a record heat with temperatures approaching 50C (122F) in some parts of the country and leaving thousands of animals dead.

Norton, if you think it's somehow significant to anything that you can look at the entire globe and notice that it's unusually warm one place and cool another place, then . . .
Congrats, you're the perfect GW patsy.

But unfortunately for the professional warmists, the public at large (not exactly known for being the deepest of thinkers) has more-or-less figured out their game, and has moved on or at least is in the process of doing so.
Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
What do you guys think of this? http://www.livescience.com/42435-slowdown-in-global-warming-a-mirage.html


Seems to be built from this paper: Cowan and Way.2014?. Coverage Bias in the HadCRUT4 Temperature Series and its Impact on Recent Temperature Trends. Quart. Journ. Royal Meter. Soc.


Seems on topic.

-JR
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
Larry can you please join Bruce in his proud declaration of being a communist, after only 23, 000 posts of denial.
Just about everything you write comes from a fantasy world, Rick. It's kind of amazing to watch. This week you declare I'm a communist, last week it was Taliban, last month it was too motivated by money. Lots of hate from you with no basis beyond the cartoons in your head.
new world order2

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:26pm PT
Oh, and for the record, Larry....That is not "a Nazi death-camp Star of David on his coat."

Rather, it is a Star of David, with a Z on it, representing the Zionist control of Israel. Zionists which include the Rothchild/Rockefellar families.

Nice try though.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:30pm PT


DO YOU UNDERSTAND... SIR!!!?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:31pm PT
What do you guys think of this? http://www.livescience.com/42435-slowdown-in-global-warming-a-mirage.html
Seems to be built from this paper: Cowan and Way.2014?. Coverage Bias in the HadCRUT4 Temperature Series and its Impact on Recent Temperature Trends. Quart. Journ. Royal Meter. Soc.
Cowtan and Way (2013) is an interesting paper, Jeremy. It's been discussed intermittently upthread, such as here or here. Basically they show that one of the main surface temperature indexes (and really, all of them) have been under-representing temperatures in some fast-warming places, notably the Arctic. At the same time the classical indexes have over-represented change in parts of the world heavily influenced by El Nino/Southern Oscillation (ENSO). So far their methods and results seem to have stood up well to criticism. If they're right that fills in another piece of the puzzle.

The next generation of temperature indexes could be at least somewhat better, although I don't know whether the Cowtan & Way method is simple enough, and it's probably not well enough validated yet, to get incorporated. Right now GISTEMP has more accurate Arctic coverage, and HadCRUt has accurate sea surface temperatures, which GISTEMP should eventually include.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:33pm PT
They are not mutually exclusive Larry. Uncle Joe Stalin ,his trusted subordinates that aided his rise, and the scientists ignoring reality to further his ideology, lived in wealth while overseeing the destruction of the russian culture (talibanesque) while impoverishing the masses.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:39pm PT
They are not mutually exclusive
In your mind many things blur together, Rick. I'm sure there are rich Taliban just as there was a rich Stalin. I am neither rich nor Taliban nor Stalin. And I'm pretty sure they aren't the same either, for example the Taliban aren't atheists.

But that's not seeing the forest through the trees, Rick. My larger point is that you are fundamentally dishonest in flinging about false accusations, which all of these (that I'm communist, a Taliban, or doing research out of greed) are.
new world order2

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity itself,” -Club of Rome-

When world leaders speak of depopulation...What do you think it means?
When world leaders speak of depopulation...What do you think it means?
Credit: new world order2

Larry...view the vid, and get back to me please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFsoRQYpFM

^^Is this how you want to live??
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