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Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Come on Sumner, tell us that strawman lie again about the basis of the "whole notion of AGW".

How's that list of citations coming, btw?

But, but K-man, there was once a medieval warm period! There was a little ice age! So therefore man cannot influence the climate by releasing carbon-chain energy stored over millions of years in a 100 year period. Derpy derpa doo.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Chief, how much of your VA check goes to buying tape strong enough to keep your head on your shoulders?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
KMAN
, but that more than 95% of all scientists believe,

1. Ref where that is a true statement concerning "ALL" scientist.

2. Post what Liberal blog you attained this propaganda from please.


Chief, how much of your VA check goes to buying tape strong enough to keep your head on your shoulders?

Big fat ZERO.


Mostly Fly Fishing gear, Motorcycles and Weapons/Ammo.

Questions.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Trolling denialist websites for sciency talking points, Rick Sumner reprises one:

Anyway- back to the science-take two. In case you thought the reconstructed MWP of southern South America a singular fluke, here is another of many, this time Chile. It seems the MWP and LIA were global.

that was posted here by the similarly-informed "Knott" back in May:

Also this particular recently published peer reviewed study that throws a big time curve ball into Mann's Hockey Stick theory.

Since it's come 'round again, seems appropriate to repost a response from the first time:

Knott, you're trolling denier sites for what you think are science talking points, and you can keep doing that forever. How about exerting effort to read and think things out for yourself before you copy and paste? You failed twice now.

The reconstruction of summer temperatures in southern South American throws no kind of "big time curve ball" into Mann's studies or the many others that concluded recent global or northern hemisphere temperatures are anomalous. And the authors of the study you quoted describe their own work as a contribution that fills in missing details, not a refutation of earlier work. They explicitly note the connection to Mann's studies (emphasis added):

"Until recently, the rather low number and uneven spatial distribution of temporally-highly-resolved proxies from the Southern Hemisphere (SH) did not allow reliable continental scale reconstructions to be developed at interannual to interdecadal time scales (Jansen et al. 2007; Mann and Jones 2003). Consequently, the few existing multi-proxy temperature reconstructions from the SH focus on the hemispheric mean (Jones et al. 1998; Mann and Jones 2003; Mann et al. 2008) and depend upon on a small number of SH proxies (see e.g., Ljungqvist 2009 and references therein). Accordingly, these reconstructions do not provide reliable representations of the spatial patterns, trends and amplitudes of regional to continental scale SH climate. However, reconstructions of high spatial and temporal resolution are important, because they illuminate key climatic features, such as regionally very hot/cool seasonal conditions that may be masked in a hemispheric reconstruction."
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-010-0793-3

For a continental-scale (not just southern, not just summertime) South America temperature reconstruction, the most recent I know of is PAGES 2k. And they conclude that "The twentieth century ranked as the warmest or nearly the warmest century in all regions except Antarctica."

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n5/full/ngeo1797.html

Like "Knott," Rick has not tried to read or understand the science, but hears what he wants to hear from the political bloggers instead.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
The Chief, it doesn't matter if I posted a scientific reviewed article or words from God herself, you will believe what you want to believe, and nobody is going to change your mind.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
CHILOE:

From your ref:

The reconstructed SSA mean summer temperatures between 900 and 1350 are mostly above the 19011995 climatology. After 1350, we reconstruct a sharp transition to colder conditions, which last until approximately 1700. The summers in the eighteenth century are relatively warm with a subsequent cold relapse peaking around 1850. In the twentieth century, summer temperatures reach conditions similar to earlier warm periods. The winter temperatures in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries were mostly below the twentieth century average.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-010-0793-3


CRYINGDRF:


Dude. Yur wife and son love you.

Move along and spread yur blind ideological hate for Conservatives some where else. There's an abundance of it here already.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/08/18/if-all-you-see-864/
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
That's right Chief, I read it. Did you? Did you read what they concluded, and why?

Did you read the next study I quoted, and understand how that relates to the first?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 13, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
KMAN
it doesn't matter if I posted a scientific reviewed article or words from God herself, you will believe what you want to believe, and nobody is going to change your mind.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Hawkings has been in a battle of wits exactly the same as this one. Everybody in his field tell him he is full of shet. A complete whacko. It has been the story throughout his professional scientific life.

You might try getting his name correct first. Hawking, not Hawkings.

And I think the Univ of Cambridge might be surprised to know "everyone in his field" tells him he is full of it given he was the Lucasian (sp?) Prof of Math for about 30 years or something. One of the most prestigious academic posts in the world, btw.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
The Chief's implication is that he is Inyo County's version of Hawking(s) and Einstein...
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
So why not just start your own "Everyone But Me is a Hypocrite and On The Take" thread and stop polluting this one?

Seems to me to be a lot more direct. You're a man of action, not a White Coat. Why are you wasting time here?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
I posted two links yesterday that Rick S had mentioned. NOT ONE word about those or rebuttals.. But the rest of the globe is swinging away from the GW crowds as new "papers" produced are saying quite different things.

Now i know the urge to produce scathing psychoanalysis are the rage here and all,, but facts are being presented , skipped over, and ignored. Not that the sexual habits of Riles and doc F arent interesting in that auto collision kind of way,, but~~~~....
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
Ron A: I responded, if you're referring to the ClimateDepot link. The guy that runs that site used to write shite for Rush and also was a staffer for Senator Inhofe, a charter member of the Flat Earth Society from the great state of Oklahoma.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 13, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
it doesn't matter if I posted a scientific reviewed article or words from God herself, you will believe what you want to believe, and nobody is going to change your mind.


Why don't you try me, The chief. Post a peer-reviewed article where the reviewers are bona-fide climate scientists, and you will see me take that as data that I use in my opinion about AWG.

From what I've seen so far, you haven't been able to produce such an article. So no, it ain't the kettle calling the pot black, because I do look at what the scientists conclude.

Can you say the same??
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
bobinc,, you shot the messenger for sure, however the MESSAGE was never addressed. One of the links i posted is about a paper born in Africa.

Riles,, i have no clue as to what you speak of now. Im not on any govt tit. Ive acutally been working for Rick S this past couple of weeks as well as running my suffering taxidermy business. I worked until 130 am this morn...


But ill tell you this much ,, IF i get a chance to suckle a nice phat GoVT tit i wont turn it down! Another 10 years and i can set on may arse with about 2000 a month coming in from SS and State of NV. At that time you may call me a suckler allll you want.
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Ron-- did you actually read the paper? Care to tell us what you think it said?

It's funny how Tea Partiers who get their SS check (even those who are double or triple-dippers) never send those checks back... even if they end up taking out $000,000s more than they paid in. I guess that's not hypocrisy in their book.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 13, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
kman:
Why don't you try me, The chief. Post a peer-reviewed article where the reviewers are bona-fide climate scientists, and you will see me take that as data that I use in my opinion about AWG.

http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/3/8/1603

http://www.drroyspencer.com/Spencer-and-Braswell-08.pdf

http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/satellite-and-climate-model-evidence/

http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/global-warming-as-a-natural-response/


That should keep you tied up for the weekend.

That is of course if you are serious.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 13, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
bobinc yes i did read that paper. Its about a study done in the rift valley - quite interesting actually. You should read it.



And riles,, "im that type" ??


What type is that? The type that has paid into SS for decades and wants his due return? The type that spent nearly a decade working on the highway( most dangerous c=occupation there is) and has a retirement from that also?

I havent had a govt dime since i was 19, the last time i ever collected un employment. And for the past two decades ive worked for myself.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 13, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
And don't forget that quiet Sun conditions let cosmic rays penetrate
deeper into the atmosphere making more clouds and cooling the Earth.
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