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dirtbag

climber
Jan 15, 2014 - 09:22pm PT

A scientist may be more likely than a denientist to know that the heat capacity of the oceans and ice caps is far higher than that of the atmosphere.

But Chief Number One knows everything. Just ask him!


where where


-Chief Chief Number Number One One
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 15, 2014 - 09:23pm PT

Please tell us why they, the oceans, suddenly decided to do so where you state that they did not play a factor the prior 28 years of steady increase.

Oh they'll come up with another doozy for that one, don't you worry.
I'm still chuckling over Chiloe's explanation for record cold weather being further proof of global warming, as that cold air had to come from someplace else, and just think how much warmer it must be there!

Splater--sure, makes sense to me, but did that heat capacity somehow change in the past 15 years or so?

Actually there may a good reason for it, I don't know, but it is interesting how mainstream, popular accounts do all seem to say "it's the oceans", without addressing Chief's point (why wasn't it the oceans in the past, and why didn't the oh-so-smart modelers take into account the oceans in their beloved models?
And what's going be the next excuse for the world not ending?

Edit--The Chief beat me to it.
And must say that I do not necessarily agree with The Chief's view of global warming or anything else, but he at least occasionally sticks it to the stuffed shirts here.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jan 15, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
Of course the oceans are taken into account in the models. But 30-40 years ago the models were not as good. And of course the oceans were affected then, even if it was not easily measurable or given a lot of press. Additionally there were other temporary effects along the way such as the early 70s cooling, volcanoes, etc. Now the models are more capable of non-linear time and location changes, but those will always be less accurate than the long term trend.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
Reality??



How about this:

2013 Already Among 10 Warmest Years On Record: Report

http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/2013-already-among-10-warmest-years-record-report-20131113











Warmer temperatures were most extreme in Australia in 2013, the report notes, in contrast with 2012 when the United States experienced much of the world's record high annual temperatures.

Temperatures this year are in line with the trend since 2000, said WMO Secretary-General Michael Jarraud, adding that the 2000 to 2010 period was the warmest decade on record so far.

"All of the warmest years have been since 1998 and this year once again continues the underlying, long-term trend," he added. "The coldest years now are warmer than the hottest years before 1998."




Yes The Chief, you continue to be as ignorant as a box of bait.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 15, 2014 - 10:19pm PT
"All of the warmest years have been since 1998 and this year once again continues the underlying, long-term trend," he added. "The coldest years now are warmer than the hottest years before 1998."

OK, let me get this straight.
. Fifteen years is a significant length of time for us to draw conclusions about climate change, as shown by the above quote's focus on 1998 (about 15 years ago).
. The surface temperatures haven't increased in the past 15 years (although it is true that they are staying at the new elevated level), which apparently reached some sort of tipping point in 1998.
. Temperatures in the ocean keep going up (and more ice is still melting? I seem to get conflicting reports on that one).

All very interesting (no sarcasm intended). If all the above is true -- and I think it's a fair representation of the mainstream view, as reported in the popular press -- not sure why some of you are so hard on The Chief and any other skeptic, it is quite a surprising set of "facts."
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 15, 2014 - 10:24pm PT
can I ask people to not bomb this thread with those massive repeating posts?

it makes it difficult to get to the bottom of the page

why did this start in the first place?

someone got pissed at someone else I suppose......
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jan 15, 2014 - 10:28pm PT
Either you're going to believe the Warmists who are hired to
write reports saying the temp is increasing or not.

blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 15, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
Norton--the photobombing was started by the guy who calls himself "Jebus."

I have no idea why--seemed to be the start of some sort of meltdown.

Rightly or wrongly, the Chief then retaliated with his own photobombing, and they battled back and forth, with the photobombing settling on a derogatory cartoon of the Chief (from "Jebus") and a funny picture of a wasted guy, presumably Jebus or at least meant to represent Jebus (from the Chief).

I thought the Chief actually "won," and commented on that, but that brought forth more photobombing by Jebus, so I don't know if the photobombing has ended, or if we're just in a lull, or what.

Ron apparently reported "Jebus" to CMac, although it isn't clear that Ron really reports people to CMac or just threatens to (and takes "credit" when they get banned, even if that's unrelated to anything Ron did or didn't do).
I have never reported anyone to CMac, but the thought crossed my mind on this one, especially since the photobombing appeared to be unprovoked. Not that I have any idea if CMac would care or would do anything.
abrams

Sport climber
Jan 15, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
Fish frozen into the ocean. The warmth is accelerating!

Credit: abrams

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/it-got-so-cold-so-quickly-in-this-norweigan-bay-that-it-froze-a-bunch-of-fish-swimming-in-it-232504960.html


http://iceagenow.info/2014/01/norway-school-fish-frozen-place/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 15, 2014 - 11:04pm PT
You don't often hear about extremes of tidal effects affecting rapid climate change. Seems there has been consideration of this in the past-is there currently any consideration of such in the blessed models?

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/8/3814.full.pdf

There is more on this on the dreaded blog WUWT . There is also an excellent ongoing series by Willis Eschenbach. As chiloe pointed out, the articles their receive instant peer review and criticism leading some prominent posters like Bob Tisdale to pull down his paper. If only the CAGW community received such critical peer review of their papers instead of the more common place "pal review".
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 15, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
We imagined ourselves isolated from the source of our existence. The fallout from this imaginative error is all around us: a quarter of the world’s mammals are threatened with imminent extinction; an acre and a half of rainforest is felled every second; 75% of the world’s fish stocks are on the verge of collapse; humanity consumes 25% more of the world’s natural ‘products’ than the Earth can replace — a figure predicted to rise to 80% by mid-century. Even through the deadening lens of statistics, we can glimpse the violence to which our myths have driven us.

And over it all looms runaway climate change. Climate change, which threatens to render all human projects irrelevant; which presents us with detailed evidence of our lack of understanding of the world we inhabit while, at the same time, demonstrating that we are still entirely reliant upon it. Climate change, which highlights in painful colour the head-on crash between civilisation and ‘nature’; which makes plain, more effectively than any carefully constructed argument or optimistically defiant protest, how the machine’s need for permanent growth will require us to destroy ourselves in its name. Climate change, which brings home at last our ultimate powerlessness.

THE DARK MOUNTAIN MANIFESTO

http://dark-mountain.net/about/manifesto/

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 15, 2014 - 11:59pm PT
so I don't know if the photobombing has ended, or if we're just in a lull, or what.

Ron apparently reported "Jebus" to CMac, although it isn't clear that Ron really reports people to CMac or just threatens to (and takes "credit" when they get banned, even if that's unrelated to anything Ron did or didn't do).
dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 12:28am PT
never mind.

Chief Never Mind...has a nice ring to it.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 16, 2014 - 08:35am PT
yes, yes, yes...i know the "science is settled" and all scientists have achieved complete consensus and the data that warm mongerers refuse to publish is far too complicated for mere mortals to understand...but i thought you could use just one more piece of incontrovertible evidence:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/15/un-climate-chief-communism-is-best-to-fight-global-warming/

of course, many of you don't like to read so here's an article with pictures:

http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/16/22322417-dangerous-giant-smog-cloud-chokes-beijing?lite


damn those enviroment-hating capitalist democrats!!!

just because america has surpassed the clean air goals established by the kyoto protocol without even ratifying the kyoto protocol while NONE of the actual ratifiers of the kyoto protocol have met their goals doesn't prove that the free market is more effective for dealing with these issues any more than the environmental disasters perpetrated by past and current communist/socialist societies disproves that government is incapable of addressing such issues

who needs facts when we have "consensus"?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 09:22am PT
Bookworm is too much of a coward to ever respond. He never does.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2014 - 10:03am PT
We've been over this many times. That you guys are still harping on it probably means you don't have the
intellectual horse power to actually get the explanation.

I'm sure we'll get a large number of response from The Chief along the same lines as what he has been
posting...



Another prediction is proven correct.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:12am PT
Some people turn everything into a competition. Everything.

Play their game and compete to win, or walk away and let them self-flagellate their way to victory....

DMT
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:13am PT
It means, more faked trend lines, from the Chief.

Like this masterpiece of his.

photo not found
Missing photo ID#340587
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:31am PT
i know you libs love the chi-coms (even barry envies their political structure) so i'm sure you'll change your perspective on global warming with these fun facts:

http://world.time.com/2013/12/09/china-here-are-some-great-things-about-toxic-air/?hpt=hp_t3

dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:52am PT
Nor does he think.

Isn't it cute how Chief Number One gets an early start so as many people as possible can see what a major fooking idiot he is?
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