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bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:31am PT
i know you libs love the chi-coms (even barry envies their political structure) so i'm sure you'll change your perspective on global warming with these fun facts:

http://world.time.com/2013/12/09/china-here-are-some-great-things-about-toxic-air/?hpt=hp_t3

dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 10:52am PT
Nor does he think.

Isn't it cute how Chief Number One gets an early start so as many people as possible can see what a major fooking idiot he is?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 11:00am PT
You fear mongering TARDS are worse then them "Rapture freaks".

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

My god, the taliban chieftain, our one practicing ayatollah of CO2 scientology on this thread is out of his cave again angry as a hornet. Larry, why all the attention to me-im not a scientist or even a blogger. If what I have to say is all dead wrong, why bother? You need to get real Larry. Try looking up new coal power plants in Germany. There you will find reference to germany's prolific return to dirty coal after failure of alternatives and hysterical abandonment of nuclear sfter listening to there own taliban environmentalista's. I don' suppose that would be a lesson you would teach in your taliban training camp, you refer to as a university.

It's right up there with all the hysteria over a CO2 levels going from 300 ppm to 400 ppm. We're talking about one hundredth of one percent of the atmosphere.

I'm scared.

I admit I am here to prog the Warmists.

Like minded Eco-Tards fondling each other and licking one another's nuts.... nice. I don' suppose that would be a lesson you would teach in your taliban training camp, you refer to as a university.

like shooting biscuit dough.

What are the social , scientific, and business costs of Ed's assertion of unrealized costs of FF's , due to environmental and human impacts and mitigation costs, if natural variability , as it is currently demonstrating, turns out to far exceed the small human contribution. I know Ed doesn't mind gambling with the private populace's money and livlihoods since he and most everyone close to him feel insulated in their positions inside government bureacracy.What are the social , scientific, and business costs of Ed's assertion of unrealized costs of FF's , interested in fully participating in his gamble? due to environmental and human impacts and mitigation costs, if natural variability , as it is currently demonstrating, turns out to far exceed the small human contribution. I know Ed doesn't mind gambling with the private populace's money and livlihoods since he and most everyone close to him feel insulated in their positions inside government bureacracy. Are the private sector members of you here really interested in fully participating in his gamble? Off to the basin for some healthy obsessions.My god, the taliban chieftain, our one practicing ayatollah I know Ed doesn't mind gambling with the private populace's money and livlihoods since he and most everyone close to him feel insulated in their positions inside government bureacracy. Are the private sector members of you here really interested in fully participating in his gamble? Off to the basin for some obsessions.

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Totally made sense.

Deny what?

Have I ever claimed there hasn't been warming over the last 150 years?

Have I ever claimed humans weren't a factor?

Therein lies the problem, not you guys mind you since you are largely separate from the industry, just hysterically vocal mouthpieces promoting your childish ideology to the end

es, you are fuked up in the head and else where Bruce. But hey, you live in communist B.C. and you'll be looked after regardless of your utter uselessness to society.

Of course that is coming from the lead..... HYPOCRITE.

It's like he doesn't even get it.

" There's a continued political onslaught of lavishly funded opposition to the science itself"

My god, the taliban chieftain, our one practicing ayatollah

I believe that this graph and trend are more in kind to your assessing the skewed reality of this issue....

Then again, ... will do what he believes will bring him attention and sparkling kudos from his fellow tards.

Nice.... simply nice

I don' suppose that would be a lesson you would teach in your taliban training camp, you refer to as a university.

just because america has surpassed the clean air goals established by the kyoto protocol without even ratifying the kyoto protocol while NONE of the actual ratifiers of the kyoto protocol have met their goals doesn't prove that the free market is more effective for dealing with these issues any more than the environmental disasters perpetrated by past and current communist/socialist societies disproves that government is incapable of addressing such issues
It's not just declining newspaper coverage in parallel with declining temps and the self discredidation of the CAGW crowd. No, it's much more.Tear yourself away from the horror show of that green tech laden stock portfolio of yours long enough to concentrate.Now Larry and his compatriots all agree that this is 97.1% consensus science with a 95% certainty of current and future adverse climatic conditions as a result of anthro CO2 release, right? Well, assuming the truth of that why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety? Wouldn't ethics and morality dictate that Larry and crew shift gears from study to appled science of solving such things as the intermittancy/storage problems of wind and solar even if it meant that the notariety and funding he's enjoying would diminish since it would go to the hard sciences of physics, engineering, geology, etc and not to soft sciences like sociology , of which many studies have been conducted on identifying the stupidities of the populace in not comprehending that black is white and up is down in all things AGW? If this ethical disconnect could be corrected it might just help the green tech stocks, humanity in general, and your own ethics, I mean portfolio.

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

who needs facts ...."?

The Chief beat me to it.

The Chief's version, before he edited it.
Dah. Another manipulation on your part LARRY!!! Nice.

i know you libs love the chi-coms


Precisely RON!

A "communist" with integrity.

Go China

According to whom and what is the underlying definition of "time".

I got it from our President. He wouldn't misrepresent that information, would he?

yes, yes, yes...i know the "science is settled" and all scientists have achieved complete consensus and the data that warm mongerers refuse to publish is far too complicated for mere mortals to understand...
Kid like manipulation of graphs all showing the very same thing..

How quickly you all forget.

How fking convenient.

Each and every one of you will die. Get used to that as well.

like shooting biscuit dough.


Rick S has you pegged. Down to the unclipped toe nails that are putting them big fat holes in your agenda socks.

I know Ted Stevens

You are such a Fence Straddler and even worse, a flaming internet KISS ASS!

^^^^which is being caused by pacific tectonic plate activities..

I know Ted Stevens frustrated with the fed bureaucracies endless attacks and shutdowns of Alaskan industry was of the mind if Tear yourself away from the horror show of that green tech laden stock portfolio of yours long enough to concentrate.Now Larry and his compatriots all agree that this is 97.1% consensus science with a 95% certainty of current and future adverse climatic conditions as a result of anthro CO2 release, right? Well, assuming the truth of that why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety? Wouldn't ethics and morality dictate that Larry and crew shift gears from study to appled science of solving such things as the intermittancy/storage problems of wind and solar even if it meant that the notariety and funding he's enjoying would diminish since it would go to the hard sciences of physics, engineering, geology, etc and not to soft sciences like sociology , of which many studies have been conducted on identifying the stupidities of the populace in not comprehending that black is white and up is down in all things AGW? If this ethical disconnect could be corrected it might just help the green tech stocks, humanity in general, and your own ethics, I mean portfolio.your going to shut down We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies.are liviehood your damn well going to pay for it.peruse and chew on this summation of funding for 1998=2009 of 99 billion dollars and the presidents office funding for CC from 2012-2012.We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies. This is only the obvious funding . I'm sure there are many billions more from the hay days of earmarking. He built the UA environmental science programWe can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies. with hundreds of millions of dollars in earmarks, also fisheries studies, forestry studies, direct compensation- if you cant beat them then beat them on there own game was the attitude. We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies.I know Ted Stevens frustrated with the fed bureaucracies endless attacks and shutdowns of Alaskan industry was of the mind if your going to shut down are liviehood your damn well going to pay for it.These figures do not count the many additional billions of dollars funding CC coming from environmental NGO's, private foundations, billionaires, state, and local governments etc. For you zealots out there-try to match the imagined opposition funding dollar for dollar.We can talk more in depth about ethics, or the lack thereof, after you've completed your funding studies.Tear yourself away from the horror show of that green tech laden stock portfolio of yours long enough to concentrate.Now Larry and his compatriots all agree that this is 97.1% consensus science with a 95% certainty of current and future adverse climatic conditions as a result of anthro CO2 release, right? Well, assuming the truth of that why are huge sums of limited funding still being granted for study of a consensus surety? Wouldn't ethics and morality dictate that Larry and crew shift gears from study to appled science of solving such things as the intermittancy/storage problems of wind and solar even if it meant that the notariety and funding he's enjoying would diminish since it would go to the hard sciences of physics, engineering, geology, etc and not to soft sciences like sociology , of which many studies have been conducted on identifying the stupidities of the populace in not comprehending that black is white and up is down in all things AGW? If this ethical disconnect could be corrected it might just help the green tech stocks, humanity in general, and your own ethics, I mean portfolio. I know Ted Stevens frustrated with the fed bureaucracies endless attacks and shutdowns of Alaskan industry was of the mind if your going to shut down are liviehood your damn well going to pay for it.

You are screaming constant other babbling bullshet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

" There's a continued political onslaught of lavishly funded opposition to the science itself"

Hows the weather here? Cold as crap last night as the winds were at 60 mph and the power was out all night long until this am..

^^^^which is being caused by pacific tectonic plate activities..

Either you're going to believe the Warmists who are hired to
write reports saying the temp is increasing or not.

the data that warm mongerers refuse to publish is far too complicated for mere mortals to understand...[

Peer reviewed dumbass!
Peer reviewed dumbass!
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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 16, 2014 - 11:09am PT
I will never forget the following piece of advise screamed into the ear of a young LT that was surely suffering directly to my starboard the very first early morning in the surf of CLASS 132:

SIR! I would highly suggest that you leave that college PhD education and your rank at the front door asap and realize it is not going to help you here if you really deep down want to succeed and survive the next 26 weeks, let alone the rest of today!!!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND... SIR!!!
(paraphrased)
BM1 REG SMITH(SEAL/NPJ) 0430 2 DEC 1985
Coronado CA

Perfect summary. Should be required reading.

DMT
dirtbag

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 11:11am PT
Newsflash Number One: this ain't the military, and we will tell you to fook off when you scream at us.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 16, 2014 - 11:15am PT
Once a chief petty-tyrant always a chief petty-tyrant.

This is a fact of Lifer.

DMT
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Jan 16, 2014 - 11:32am PT
None of the lower ranks of the military are allowed to think for themselves.

The military has had centuries of experience at brainwashing teenagers to hate.

There is no reason to expect the chump to have any brains or ethics.

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
WADE!!

There is only one photo to counter ALL your insistent propaganda....

You are as blind as they come. But as BRUCEE KY states, that comes with the "Demographics"!!!

Your side is just as if not more guilty as for all the bullshet you keep proliferating, WADE!!!

I guess you failed to notice that my insistent propaganda is all quotes of the supertopo denialist brain trust, otherwise known as the 2.9 %. or Your side."

DO YOU UNDERSTAND... SIR!!!?

oh and

Just wondering, are there any more climate change skeptics out there? Or did they all die off from gagging on all the right-wing spin on the subject?


you have, at least, answered the OP's question, there are 3, maybe 4 of you , left er right,,,er wrong....
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
In other words, we haven't experienced the anticipated warming because of...wait for it...Natural forcings!!!!
There is what Sketch just wrote, but I've helpfully clarified by removing all his extra spacing and the movie still.

Sketch, you went 0 for 4 in trying to articulate an original train of though regarding the AAE crew. Want to try again, articulating an original train of thought behind this new post, which at first glance looks infantile?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
A newly coined term: Ridiculously resilient ridge.. A high pressure zone in the pacific that sets up in time of drought or vice-versa that is. It is this pressure that pushes arctic weather patterns to the east and away from us in the west.
This very same weather pattern caused the drought of 76/77 - which is exactly like our drought now. Which also means,, NEXT winter will more than likely see a huge recovery of moisture..

The durable high pressure climatic influence on the west coast of N America is primarily determined by cold ocean water. Land drought doesn't create the high pressure system. The high pressure doesn't push, it just sits there like a stump. The weather systems get sucked around the perimeter.

Ocean currents inform and determine the bold strokes of major air currents. Weather systems can overwhelm the blocking high, aka "The Storm Door is Open." But the blocking high IS the major climatic influence on the west coast. The storm door is mostly shut. Summer time monsoonal stuff is incidental.

The chief is likely right about the west coast persistent 'drought.' Drought is the norm and an expectation of 'making it up' with a wet season next year or whenever, is likely false hope.

But the blocking high and west coast drought are not artifacts of human caused climate change anyway. If and how this phenomenon is altered mostly likely will be determined by changes in ocean temperature.

Drastic changes in ocean currents such as a potential weakening or meandering of the Gulf Stream and other major ocean rivers, will have profound effect on climate and local weather patterns. Its too early to tell.

California and the American west are up for grabs.

But if I were a betting man I would bet on drought and walk away enriched by House Odds.

DMT

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
I'm still chuckling over Chiloe's explanation for record cold weather being further proof of global warming,
If blahblah is chuckling over that he's laughing at himself, because I said nothing of the kind.

While blahblah laughs at himself, he is also doing something that seems habitual among all our denialists here. Instead of reading, understanding or even honestly quoting things people actually wrote, they make up things they did not write and attack them for that.

Two possible explanations come to mind:
(1) blahblah and his fellow denialists can't read, understand or remember what was actually written; and/or
(2) their own thoughts are so muddled they can only attack straw men.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
That is true Dingus. But this IS exactly like 76/77.

So? What's your point?

DMT
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
The people do not believe the shetstorm political ideology that currently hides behind the modern Scientism "PALL REVIEWED" Industry, WADE!!!


I was wondering who the People's spokesperson was. You do seem expert at shetstorm political ideology.

Credit: Cheesegraphs

like shooting biscuit dough.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
Zero for 4? What are you talking about? I gave my take on the situation. Sorry if it upset your apple cart. It's telling how you don't respond to my questions. Instead, you just whine about my poor behavior or make sweeping condemnations of my posts, without specifics. I get it. You just want to play "gotcha".
OK, 0 for 1 so far on this one. You posted a great big note with few words, a still from Home Alone, lots of exclamation points and elipsis ... but no visible thoughts. I invited you to try to articulate those thoughts, if you had any. It seems not.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
Credit: Cheesegraphs

Peer reviewed dumbass!
Peer reviewed dumbass!
Credit: The Chef
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
From Ed:
As for why the "hiatus" I think that there is a lot of discussion, but first why is there perceived to be a hiatus?
The expected increase in temperatures were higher previous to 2000 then the observed increases...

. . .

We've been over this many times. That you guys are still harping on it probably means you don't have the
intellectual horse power to actually get the explanation.

Only one problem Ed, you forgot to cast blame on the deep ocean, which the warmists would have us believe mysteriously started acting as a new-and-improved heat sink only when the hiatus began. That's the standard warmist party line that we've heard on this website and in the popular press.
Ed, you'd do well to remember what duplicitous parents teach their children:
it's often a good idea to tell the truth purely for logistical reasons--otherwise it's just too hard to keep track of your tangled web of lies.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
My point was that the drought has nothing to do with AGW. Contrary to many a blog, article and site.

Fine. So what?

DMT
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Again, what were you talking about with the "0 for 4" comment? Specifically.
0 for 2 on this one now, you're doing it again. You've responded twice to my post inviting you to articulate an original train of thought behind your own post -- which was large, noisy and yet seemingly idea-free. There must be some reason you thought that was clever, but neither of your two responses so far has even tried to articulate that.

Here's your whole post, again, without the movie still and block quotes. In a third try, can you articulate your thinking?
In other words, we haven't experienced the anticipated warming because of...wait for it...Natural forcings!!!!
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
give'er a shot sketch
new world order2

climber
Jan 16, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. All these dangers are caused by human intervention… The real enemy, then, is humanity itself,” -Club of Rome-

Whether there is global warming or not, is this how you want to live?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFsoRQYpFM

^^In a world with no private land, nor automobile ownership?
A world where meat consumption is against the law?
Where we live in mega cities, in tiny 500 sq. foot apartments?


See Agenda 21, for a look into the future.

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