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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
We've been calling datasets 'global' for about 130 years, Chief.

Do you really think they've been covering the whole globe, even without the arctic and antarctic, for that time?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
And of course, you have to start your 'pause' well above the trend line.

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What gives with that, Chief?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
Interesting, you now say global means we've had the same temp thermometer coverage over the whole whole planet for 130 years.

LOL, 12 stations in the antarctic means full coverage. Good one, Chief.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 11, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
talking with a buddy the other day , we both agreed it was the earliest ice up of lakes and creeks around here that either of us remember back to the early 60s.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
Cowtan and Way fills in the missing areas with data from Spencer's satelite data.

So your coverage goes from this:



to this:



monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
What's your point? Are you implying the Met Office Global Temperature records are inaccurate?

Not at all, Sketch. You tell me why the 'pause' starts with most of a decade worth of warming above the trend line at that time?

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
You should read the paper, Sketch.

It's very consistent. This is tested by removing known surface temp data for a certain area, and filling in with satellite data, then comparing the results.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
So why is nearly a decade worth of warming ignored, when the 'pause' is started.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
How did I move the goal post, Sketch?

That was my original question. Notice the question in the graph?

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Why does noting that the 'pause' starts nearly a decade worth of warming above the trend line, moving the goal posts?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Yep, it's telling because the arctic has experienced the most warming during that last period.

Cowtan and Way does not do much net correction before that period.

And that's the whole point, Sketch. When you count that arctic warming, the pause just about disappears.

Credit: monolith
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
So why does it start above the trend line?

You are ignoring nearly a decade of warming just to start it there.

Notice how the trend lines are connected in your graph?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
The missing area is filled in using Spencer's satelite data. He's not considered a warmist.

The same reconstructions over known themometer data area proves accurate.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Dec 11, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
pssst,, thread=4 yrs old. Numbers being discussed are the same. 'Aint nuthin' changed in the time span of this thread. That is "hard data" available here in this very thread.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Why does it have to, Sketch?

Why not just connect trend lines, as shown in your graph?



Of course, the 'pause' has to start well above the trend line, so the deniers can ignore nearly a decade's worth of warming.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
LOL, deny, deny, deny.

You are saying that you can't use the intersection point in this graph to come up with connected trend lines?

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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 11, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
Those "trendlines" are just hand drawn.

The comedy just continues.




monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
LOL, the denial continues.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 11, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
http://grist.org/news/wind-energy-becoming-cheaper-than-natural-gas/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily%2520Dec%252011&utm_campaign=daily



While I know you deniers hate Grist,they are correct.
As the technology improves,so does the manufacturing,bringing the cost down.

And that is what you are all about ,aye.Bringing the cost down.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 11, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Sketch, I haven't the slightest desire to hear you say you were wrong.

You can make a similar graph here and prove it to yourself:

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1975.8/to:2012.8/mean:6/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1975.8/to:1997.7/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1997.8/to:2012.8/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1975.8/to:2012.8/trend

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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 11, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
Ok you gotta admit the chief is correct with that Syria bullsh#t. Its that sort of 'yellow journalism' that fuels the denier fires.

I admit it... that's f*#king BULLSH#T.

Kinda like Rick Sumner's blog science and passive aggressive posture - BULLSH#T.

Kinda like the cheifs mongol warrior reincarination - BULLSH#T.

Its ok to point out BULLSH#T, this thread reeks of it. But I know this...
Eee Dee Aitch and Chiloe and a couple of other scientists here do not BULLSH#T. They can back up their contentions with raw data and the brain power and education, to do the math... an activity that NOT ONE of their critics, NOT ONE, can replicate. Ever.

Cheers though!
DMT
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