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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 12, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Fort Mental,I did not post earlier to contradict you.

Yes people drive suvs to sustainablity fairs.

We ride bikes.Not all,but quite a few.In this area CC HAS been present.

If one seen Sandy and the wake of its destruction,one would be willing to change.

I think[around here]alot of people are starting to give a sh#t.

I care also,and have sacrificed alot myself.

The glass is always half full.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Hey Riley,, that is exactly what happened to Carson valley, reno et all in the flood of 97. New years eve i went into a bar with three feet of snow on the ground and snowing. 3 am i went out and zero snow, it was 65 and raining like a hurricane. Known as a 100 yr event.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
March of 73' rained for 18 days straight in SOCAL. Flooded every where. The LA River breached for 10 days. The PV Reservoir which was located directly across my house overflowed and sent a rage of water/mud down Western Blvd and completely flooded Sepulveda as well RH Dr E and N for three days. Totally impassible. Malibu, PV and all the foothill areas along the Angeles Forest (Altadena, Monrovia, Pasadena etc) were falling apart due to bigass landslides. My brother had to evacuated his home in Altadena for a week due to rivers of mud flowing like lava. CANX'd school for a week in PV and San Pedro due to mud slide dangers. It was crazy.

73' was when we were in the midst of the Global Cooling scare.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
So, other than a personal attack by capintheazz nobody disputes my last post with synopsis of a peer reviewed paper with the finding that the Medieval Warm period was more pronounced in southern South America than the modern warm period. Ok good, now on to Africa. Here is a reconstruction by proxie's of the same period in the rift valley.

Well, back to the drawing board-can't seem to get the link to work-will get it later.

What do you mean all bullshet Chief?

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
if

There's that word again.



Truly appears that is the basis of this entire MMGA scare... "IF"


RICK S:


Sorry amigo but all them papers you are posting.... bullshet. They are wrong. All wrong. Bad Science.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
theres a problem with the link you posted Rick, it wont come up..
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
What scare?

If you lived here and seen that.

I know thats a big if.

2 one hundred year events coupled with SEVERAL tropical depressions that never made it over the mountains before,all in the last 15 years.

See this is the problem i have with your camp,you know it must have happened in 1100 or so, so its normal now.

No.

It is not normal now,because that is what this is about .

NOW.

Not 1000 years ago when we did not have irrefutable evidence.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Ron- its called Late-Holocene and recent hydroclimatic variability in the central Rift Valley: The Sediment record of hypersaline lakes Bagoria, Nakura and Elementia. FortMental is right I am computer inept.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
I find it amazing that the two best mountain cities in North America have gotten mauled by so called 100 year floods in the last 3 months and by completely different storm systems.
Mother Nature is pissed off.
I've heard that she can be appeased by introducing deniers to tar & feathers.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
Maybe there is something to this climate change stuff, certainly getting flooded out in Boulder now!
Now if the scientists could somehow solve that problem, I'd be singing a different tune.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
Rick, is this it?


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/06/new-paper-finds-more-evidence-the-medieval-warming-period-was-global-published-in-palaeogeography-palaeoclimatology-palaeoecology-published-in-palaeogeography-palaeoclimatology-palaeoecology/






The authors also find, “From the late-18th to early-19th century and again in the 1870’s, the region experienced two episodes of drought more severe than any recorded in historical time,” once again demonstrating that man-made CO2 is not the control knob of climate.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
‘Cohort replacement’: Climate deniers won’t change, but they will die

A great many people believe that one of the primary barriers to action on climate change is the existence of a cadre of “climate deniers” — people who refuse to accept the now-overwhelming scientific evidence for anthropogenic climate change.
I don’t think the climate deniers will ever change their minds. What will happen is that they will, to put it bluntly, die off. We might wish it otherwise, but I fear that change on climate — real change, non-linear change — will not happen until the generational cohort in which climate denialism is concentrated begins passing into the sweet beyond.
Climate denial is not some isolated quirk of this cohort; it is part of something much deeper. Older white men are a privileged group. They saw their fathers occupy a position of unquestioned normative dominance. And yet history is passing them by; America is becoming more diverse, more urban, and more socially liberal. White men are in the process of losing their position of privilege. Their resentment and fury are intense and, partially as a result, their epistemic standards are becoming increasingly insular and tribal.
http://grist.org/climate-change/cohort-replacement-climate-deniers-wont-change-but-they-will-die/

I figure Dr Ed will outlive Pond Scum by 20 years, voting years that is. Pond Scum's shortness is a genetic defect; he likely has many more. His constant anger is a precursor to a heart attack. His constant whining about money means he's too cheap to pay for medical expenses. And his lack of rationality indicates that mental dementia is just around the corner.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Sure, Anderson, man caused CO2 has nothing to do with climate.

Credit: monolith
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Fort,,,I believe that to be an analogy, or euphemism...

Only inside my shop do i view climate as controlled by a knob.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 12, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
then there is this:


New paper finds IPCC climate models don’t realistically simulate convection: Published in Geophysical Research Letters finds climate models do not realistically simulate convection, ‘a key element of the weather and climate system for transporting mass, momentum, and thermal energy’
Read the Full Article


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09/11/new-paper-finds-ipcc-climate-models-dont-realistically-simulate-convection-published-in-geophysical-research-letters-finds-climate-models-do-not-realistically-simulate-convection-a-key-element-o/
bobinc

Trad climber
Portland, Or
Sep 12, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
Isn't the guy behind ClimateDepot a former employee of both Rush Limbaugh and James Inhofe?

Certainly that helps establish his credibility.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 12, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Certainly that helps establish his credibility.

Why not?

Cus he didn't work for Barbara Boxer and John Stewart?

Got it.




Somehow, I do not think anyone on the payroll here voted Republican MALLAT..... http://grist.org/about/
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 12, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Yeah that's it Ron, thanks. There is lot's more for regions around the world. I'll keep posting them.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Sep 12, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
So BRUCSKY..

Appears that you and Craig Fry are on the same sheet of paper.


You keep us on a piece of paper?



Unless anyone conforms to and agrees with your ideology, they are deemed all the hate notions that the two of you imply.

Uh no I just want an explanation for their judgement. For instance, I'm still waiting for a rational explanation for how you chose to believe one scientist and not another. If you can ever articulate such a thing I may start considering your opinions as something more than dog food.


Sounds perfectly acceptable huh?


Yes the above does sound acceptable



Now what was that about burning all them witches back in the Dark Ages????


I didn't say anything about burning witches but now that you mention it


mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 12, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Ah yes, the old science of Witchology.
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