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FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 03:27am PT
Well Mental Case it's been billions of years not just ten thousand. So what is happening to that continuos heat source from the Earth's interior, could it be a contributing cause to the oceanic oscillations? I'm trying to get you religious sicko's to start thinking. Just maybe, if you guys look to the oceans and sun instead of discounting their effects in favor of the mythical molecule CO2, you could find a path to rationality.

Please don't tell us you're still pissed that the (un)settled science of anthropogenic global warming" never previously 'assured you' that pollution in China could counteract the effects of increased atmospheric CO2!

We should let geniuses like you guys and Chief Min-Ee-Mind cure our diseases, grow our food, and explore our universe. Your thorough understanding of the natural world is awe-inspiring.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 2, 2013 - 08:21am PT
BASE,That AAPG Explorer is a good read ,thanks.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 2, 2013 - 08:54am PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/01/if-all-you-see-878/
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:06am PT
FRONTALOBOTME:
Your thorough understanding of the natural world is awe-inspiring.




Much deeper and far more thorough than yours ever will be. Unlike you, I live in it 24/7. Have done so for over 10 plus years now. Self-Reliant. Not through the confines of some College Course textbook or the computer screen as you so obviously do.

You come on here with your arrogant elitist self-righteous demeaning Utopian attitude posting nothing to back up your shet slinging. Amazingly, just like DRF does, at any and everyone that does not walk and talk the same tune as you.

The fked up deal about that FRONTAL, you live, eat, breath and travel 24/7, solely in the confines of the City. Totally dependent on the MAN for everything. Daily. Your time in the "natural world" probably consists of a day or two a month if even that much. That of course is if your significant other allows you to.

You are like the rest of these "White Coat City Dwelling Utopian Elitist" here and throughout your ideological global club, a complete hypocrite.

Seriously appears that you are totally jealous of the fact that people like me are free of the chains you are bound by. That you haven't the internal strength to drop the "MAN" and go live your life free. All in the "Natural World". Not within your self imposed prison of the City.

The City aint the Natural World dipshet. But YOUR SCIENCE doesn't allow you to understand that.

Oh yeah... the Natural World consists of entities much more than what you and your science perceive it to be. Your science will never instruct you how to understand and accept that. Doing so would completely moot it's fundamental laws.
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:18am PT
Summer, Dick: http://www.jpands.org/vol18no3/lindzen.pdf

This is the best you've got? A "Famous" (discredited) MIT meteorologist writes a rant and publishes it in a trade rag for physicians?

Chief Eye-Mutt-What: Lindzen's the guy who's on the record for denying the link between cigarettes and lung cancer....THESE are the guys whose science you bow to?
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:43am PT
The City aint the Natural World dipshet. But YOUR SCIENCE doesn't allow you to understand that.


Study: Urbanites are Greener than Suburbanites

Despite all of their perceived environmental problems, a recent study by the International Institute for Environment and Development has found that city dwellers generate far fewer CO2 emissions than folks who live in the suburbs or country. Of the 12 cities in Asia, North America, South America and Europe that were studied, researchers found that metropolitan areas had smaller carbon footprints than the countryside

Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?

Henry David Thoreau is a hero to many traditional environmentalists. The idea of being self-sufficient among the natural world is a catchy one. But are the real environmentalists those who are actually living in the urban jungle? Edward Glaeser thinks so. In fact, he says in the Boston Globe today, “If you love nature, stay away from it. The best means of protecting the environment is to live in the heart of a city.” In a study, Glaeser, a Harvard economist, and author of the new book Triumph of the City, found that households living in communities of 10,000 or more people used an average of 687 gallons of gas per year, while households in communities of 1,000 or less used an average of 1,164 gallons. We estimated that a standardized household in Boston’s urban core emits about 6,700 fewer pounds of carbon dioxide per year due to driving habits than an equivalent suburban household. Certainly, when I moved from Cambridge to a woodsy suburb, I spent endless hours in my planet-polluting Subaru. The public transportation that is more common in cities does little to balance the scales. But it’s not only the car habits of urbanites that make cities greener. Cities use electricity much more efficiently than their suburban foes, he argues. There are also substantial electricity and home heating differences between cities and suburbs, mostly because suburbanites have bigger homes, even holding income and family size constant. After all, many people move to the suburbs precisely because they want a bigger home. On average, electricity use is 88 percent higher in single-family detached homes than in apartments in buildings with five or more units. All told, the standardized suburban household in the Boston area produces almost six tons more carbon dioxide per year than the standardized urban household. So what’s the best rule to live by if you want to be green? Glaeser: ”Living around trees is less green than living around concrete.”


Cities vs. suburbs: The next big green battle?

We are in a situation where we have an opposition party, essentially running the U.S. government, that is willing to say things like, “Climate change is a hoax.” It represents a minority of Americans. It’s completely beholden to big business and is very clearly using xenophobia, racism, and fear of change to block environmental, climate, transportation, and energy action. Basically, they are making this about, ‘Do you really want urban people destroying your way of life?’


Cities: Better for Green Living Than Suburbs

Suburban families use three times as much energy as urban families of the same size, according to researchers at the Brookings Institution. Visiting fellow Christopher Leinberger says more people would choose to live in more populated areas if housing was easier to come by.

Dear Chief;

Your idiocy continues to amaze. It truly does. There isn't anyone, not a single person on ST that's anywhere near as stupid as you are...ok, maybe Ron Anderson; he comes pretty close. It leaves me breathless! I'm in awe! You are a monument, the pyramids of Giza of stupid. Go ahead and accuse me of being childish and calling you names but YOU are the God of stupid. Muslim suicide bombers and the Libertarian Party pray every night that they should one day be as stupid as you. They're working hard at it, but you have reached Stupid Nirvana and are untouchable. You are the Buddha of Stupid and no mortal will EVER be as stupid as you.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:46am PT
Excellent idea fartmental.. Lets us all get rid of our cars. Climb ONLY your local rocks- if you have them. No more trips in dastardly planet polluters to the Red Rocks, or YOS or ANYWHERE! Im likin that idea.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:48am PT
FRONTALOBOTOME:
Chief: Lindzen's the guy who's on the record for denying the link between cigarettes and lung cancer

Post a viable ref to back this up!!!

If ya got none, it doesn't exist. Just like 99.9% of the shet you post here.


Lawn-covered suburbs seem like they would be more suited to green living than cramped cities. But more people are gravitating to urban areas in the name of ecology.

Ah, one problem LOBOTOMEASS, I DO NOT LIVE IN THE "BURBS". what part of I live in the middle of no where do you not understand!!!! Just goes to prove my point regarding your sorryass WHITE COAT CITY DWELLING MENTALITY.

Your sorry ass thinks the "BURBS" is out in the "Country".

Yeah, this is the "BURBS". What a fking dipshet you truly are FORT.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
Ron, that post is an excellent illustration of your ignorance.

Most US workers have a commute of nearly 1 hour each day. Based on my driving in cities, I assume that is about 30 miles a day. Assuming a 250 day work year, that is 7500 miles. Assuming 30 mpg (likely higher than average), that is at least 250 gallons of gas a year per person. There are plenty of alternatives: biking, mass transit, car pooling, etc. Add to that the fact that most people drive a couple miles to the store and just about every other place imaginable (rather than walking or biking or taking public transportation).

Compare that to a road trip to a killer destination (not Dinosaur Rock) 10 hours away (20 hours total travel time), traveling at an average speed of 70 mph, in a "gas guzzler" worthy of living in that gets 20 mpg. The total fuel consumption is 70 gallons of gas. Or a trip to the "local" crag 30 miles each way, once a week, which would use 100 gallons of gas a year (assuming 30 mpg). Note: there ain't many public transportation options that service climbing areas.

The major problem is not weekly or yearly recreational trips. The problem is the basic infrastructure (personal vehicles, usually with 1 occupant) that our society relies on to get sheeple from one box where they sleep to another box where they earn a living.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
The Chief...I read that Interwest wants to buy white mt. estates for mammoth mt. employee housing...Looks like Rusty is going to be your new land lord...? Welcome to the burbs...Ha , ha...RJ
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
THAT'S where you live?

"....YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! .... you see this? This is sand! Yeah.... it's sand! You know what it's gonna be a hundred years from now? IT'S GONNA BE SAND!

YOU LIVE IN A FUKKING DESERT!

Get your kids and your sh#t and we're gonna make one trip, and take you to where the food is! WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA... WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM, ASS-HOLE!"

-Sam Kinison

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
The Chief...I read that Interwest wants to buy white mt. estates for mammoth mt. employee housing...Looks like Rusty is going to be your new land lord...? Welcome to the burbs...Ha , ha...RJ

The exact reason why the town of MML is such a shethole. Norons like you read and then fully believe everything they see in this only good to wipe your ass with shet paper periodical:

http://thesheetnews.com/


FRONTALOBOTOME:
YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE


Do you even research things before you post your assinine bullshet? See that hill in the background? That is White Mtn dipshet.




KIDPHD:
The problem is the basic infrastructure (personal vehicles, usually with 1 occupant) that our society relies on to get sheeple from one box where they sleep to another box where they earn a living.

Just like you do on a daily basis. Got it.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Buhda of stupid...I need a Chief to English dictionary to keep up with your slang...Noron...? Is that a 3-pin moron...? RJ
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Negative. It is a moron with a brain but makes a daily commitment to not use it.

All cus they want desperately to pertain to "The Tribe".
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
The City aint the Natural World dipshet. But YOUR SCIENCE doesn't allow you to understand that.


Study: Urbanites are Greener than Suburbanites

Despite all of their perceived environmental problems, a recent study by the International Institute for Environment and Development has found that city dwellers generate far fewer CO2 emissions than folks who live in the suburbs or country. Of the 12 cities in Asia, North America, South America and Europe that were studied, researchers found that metropolitan areas had smaller carbon footprints than the countryside

Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?

Henry David Thoreau is a hero to many traditional environmentalists. The idea of being self-sufficient among the natural world is a catchy one. But are the real environmentalists those who are actually living in the urban jungle? Edward Glaeser thinks so. In fact, he says in the Boston Globe today, “If you love nature, stay away from it. The best means of protecting the environment is to live in the heart of a city.” In a study, Glaeser, a Harvard economist, and author of the new book Triumph of the City, found that households living in communities of 10,000 or more people used an average of 687 gallons of gas per year, while households in communities of 1,000 or less used an average of 1,164 gallons. We estimated that a standardized household in Boston’s urban core emits about 6,700 fewer pounds of carbon dioxide per year due to driving habits than an equivalent suburban household. Certainly, when I moved from Cambridge to a woodsy suburb, I spent endless hours in my planet-polluting Subaru. The public transportation that is more common in cities does little to balance the scales. But it’s not only the car habits of urbanites that make cities greener. Cities use electricity much more efficiently than their suburban foes, he argues. There are also substantial electricity and home heating differences between cities and suburbs, mostly because suburbanites have bigger homes, even holding income and family size constant. After all, many people move to the suburbs precisely because they want a bigger home. On average, electricity use is 88 percent higher in single-family detached homes than in apartments in buildings with five or more units. All told, the standardized suburban household in the Boston area produces almost six tons more carbon dioxide per year than the standardized urban household. So what’s the best rule to live by if you want to be green? Glaeser: ”Living around trees is less green than living around concrete.”


Cities vs. suburbs: The next big green battle?

We are in a situation where we have an opposition party, essentially running the U.S. government, that is willing to say things like, “Climate change is a hoax.” It represents a minority of Americans. It’s completely beholden to big business and is very clearly using xenophobia, racism, and fear of change to block environmental, climate, transportation, and energy action. Basically, they are making this about, ‘Do you really want urban people destroying your way of life?’


Cities: Better for Green Living Than Suburbs

Suburban families use three times as much energy as urban families of the same size, according to researchers at the Brookings Institution. Visiting fellow Christopher Leinberger says more people would choose to live in more populated areas if housing was easier to come by.

Dear Chief;

Your idiocy continues to amaze. It truly does. There isn't anyone, not a single person on ST that's anywhere near as stupid as you are...ok, maybe Ron Anderson; he comes pretty close. It leaves me breathless! I'm in awe! You are a monument, the pyramids of Giza of stupid. Go ahead and accuse me of being childish and calling you names but YOU are the God of stupid. Muslim suicide bombers and the Libertarian Party pray every night that they should one day be as stupid as you. They're working hard at it, but you have reached Stupid Nirvana and are untouchable. You are the Buddha of Stupid and no mortal will EVER be as stupid as you.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Problem is chuff asslicker, I don't commute to work in a personal vehicle that burns fossil fuel.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
"Problem is chuff asslicker, I don't commute to work in a personal vehicle that burns fossil fuel."



You don't produce anything anyone wants to buy, either. You could just not work, and nobody but you would even know the difference.
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Chief Butt-Nugg-Itt:

Tell us how you released your F-150 from greedy talons of "The Man"!
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 2, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Nothing grows in the desert... according to FRONTALOBOTOME above.


Keep posting idiot. You are making things too easy for us Skeptics. Too easy.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Sep 2, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
You don't produce anything anyone wants to buy, either. You could just not work, and nobody but you would even know the difference.

Uh, yeah, I guess you are correct... nobody really "buys" well educated kids these days. But idiots like you and chuffnuts make it pretty clear what would happen if I didn't do my job.

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