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BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Before I go,

The Chief called me a Marxist, and I discussed all of the people I put to work, and the wealth that I create. He didn't realize what I did for a living, but it is common knowledge among most people around here.

I asked him flat out if he had created a dime of wealth or if he gets his paychecks from the U.S. Treasury.

He didn't answer that one. I wish he would.

Also, Doug was instrumental in stopping the use of pitons. He never said a peep about bolts. I clipped bolts with him when I was about 18. They were on trad climbs, but there were bolts.

You will never meet a nicer person.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
BASE:

After a 24.6 year career as an active combat member of our military, with over six different pieces of shrapnel and several small chunks of a 40mm grenade round still in my body, I surely believe I am entitled to my retirement pay from the DOD and Compensation from the VA.

Also, Doug was instrumental in stopping the use of pitons. He never said a peep about bolts.

You best reread that article dude. Cus he totally dis'd BOLT's yet allowed the use of PINS to a minimal. He even indicates at the end of article how pitons are the best.

Here, let me help you BASE:

http://climbaz.com/chouinard72/graphics/page24.JPG

http://climbaz.com/chouinard72/ch_page24.html


Besides, your logic in stating he disdained pins and not bolts makes NO sense.

He and I discuss this on occasion btw. Can't be for one and not the other. We both agree that both have their place in climbing. But in moderation.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
I am waiting to see if TC has ever created a dime of wealth in his life.

I'll tell you a funny story.

I found a big gas field back in the late nineties. It was very shallow, and they could be drilled very cheaply with air rigs. I sent the maps to one of my best friends, also a geologist, and he got bonded with the state to be the operator of the wells. I have no head for accounting, so I handled most of the geology.

One time I was driving through the area with a meteorologist buddy of mine, and I had him pull off and drive to a new well that we had just drilled. It wasn't hooked up to the sales line yet, and was hooked up to a 30 foot steel flowline.

I cracked the choke just a tiny bit and lit the end with a burning piece of paper. This was all over the pit, so no biggie. Then I turned the pipe straight up and opened the valve all of the way. You can't do it too fast, or the flame will blow itself out.

When it is wide open, there is about a 30 foot screaming flame pointing to the sky. It blew my buddy away. Then I turned the valve off. We had done this trick before on occasion.

Anyway, the roar woke up the farmer down the road and he came by to see what the hell we were doing. It was all pretty funny.

You would have to be see that to realize the power in the earth. And yeah, the gas burned might have been worth ten bucks at 3.50/mcf. Gas is cheap. By the time it gets to your burner tip, it about triples in cost.

Our gas had about 3 gallons of propane per mcf. We don't get paid much for that at all. The big pipeline companies strip out the liquids and your burner only sees the pure methane. Ethane, Butane, and Propane all come from natural gas.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
I just got the link to the American Association of Petroleum Geologists' monthly rag. They have a formal publication for peer reviewed stuff, and this one is just the newsletter.

Check it out.

http://aapg.informz.net/aapg/archives/archive_3455506.html
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
BTW BASE:

The addition of Ethanol to reg and premium gas sucks big asses. It totally depletes the performance value of 89-91 octane. It is also terrible for injectors fuel filters and fuel lines. Corrodes em to death.

WTF is up with that shet being added into the fuel. Clean burning but depleting performance. Thus more is used.


That is why these dudes burn 100% Racing Alcohol Mixture!! Some true badasses here I tell ya! I honestly do not think that any of the millions of folks throughout the world that are fans and participants of any Motorsport discipline, really thinks about let alone gives a ratass about AGW. Really now. They are the CONSENSUS.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 1, 2013 - 07:20pm PT
Chef,did you know that racing alcohol is ethanol,those motors are temporary because of it.

Ethanol was introduced way back,it helps farmers and burns cleaner,helping our air quality.Side effects include advanced corrosion.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
Yes I know. That was my point.

You can not mix 89-91% Octane gasoline and ethanol and expect the same results as the folks that use straight up 100% Alcohol. The two combined create a very corrosive mixture that eats seals, injectors and jets etc due to the oxygenation of the ethanol produces.

A major problem is Phase Separation created when water gets into the fuel causing the water/ethanol mixture to sink to the bottom of the tank where the fuel pick-up is. Engines cannot run on an alcohol/water blend and will seize. Two cycle engines particularly have this problem since the proper lubricant will not be present in the gasoline. While a properly formulated additive may prevent the separation by removing excess water, it will not cure the problem once it exists.

The best defense is to keep the tank as full as possible. Moisture condenses in
the empty space in the tank, so reducing the amount of air in the tank reduces
the amount of water that can enter. Ethanol can etch aluminum, magnesium and die-case zinc causing fuel injectors to plug and/or damage pistons and fuel pumps.
http://www.goldeagle.com/.../Ethanol%20411/Ethanol%20--%20The%20Good...‎;

These two are a good remedy for that issue:


and



One or the other.

May burn "cleaner" but totally fuks up the performance when mixed with 89-91 octane gasoline. It is not as corrosive when mixed with less refined diesel due to the higher lubrication values in diesel mixtures.


Those motors are not temporary. Trust me. Some are over 20 plus years old. Granted they are totally taken down, cleaned and reassembled often. Not because of the corrosion due to ethanol. Rather the intense high and extreme variations in RPMs etc.

BTW: Ethanol was Ford's first fuel of choice when this automobile thing first got going.
Mad69Dog

Mountain climber
Superior, CO
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
"BTW: Ethanol was Ford's first fuel of choice when this automobile thing first got going."

Hell yea. Gap a spark plug, take snort. Change the oil, take a snort. It's a highly compatible solvent when benzene free. But you will never keep it dry unless you are willing to work hard.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 1, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
Hey. I'm all for drilling for natural resources Base, and I'm all for protecting the people and our resources with the military Chief because
we know there are some out there that would take it away from us if they could.

Now about this climate change thing. Fine tuning our infrastructure so
it is more efficient and use less energy is great. Costs less. And most of the time just replacing stuff that has worn out with new more efficient machines is the way to do it.

But the heinous idea of fixing stuff that is not broken (like the climate)
needs to be vigorously fought.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 1, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
But the heinous idea of fixing stuff that is not broken (like the climate)needs to be vigorously fought.

"Hey Cletus, turn that thar steerin wheel, we's gonna crash into that brick wall!"

"Don't choo worry none, Festus, car ain't broke yet"

"But Cletus, you'll kill me an you both!"

"You itchin fer a fight Festus? Cause I'll give yo..."
BAM!!!!!

F*#king genius, the level intellect among these deniers.


rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 1, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
Well Mental Case it's been billions of years not just ten thousand. So what is happening to that continuos heat source from the Earth's interior, could it be a contributing cause to the oceanic oscillations? I'm trying to get you religious sicko's to start thinking. Just maybe, if you guys look to the oceans and sun instead of discounting their effects in favor of the mythical molecule CO2, you could find a path to rationality. Here is a recent science paper for you.

http://www.jpands.org/vol18no3/lindzen.pdf

Base, you likely get depressed by all the waste and environmental abuses you see around you. But don't you think we'll invent and innovate are way out of these destructive ways before we actually have the abilitie's to destroy ourselves?The biggest danger i see is from the irrational economic's we've been practicing for the last twenty years or so.

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Sep 1, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Whats wrong with Elcapinyoazz?

Why so serious?

Please don't tell us you're still pissed that the (un)settled science of anthropogenic global warming" never previously 'assured you' that pollution in China could counteract the effects of increased atmospheric CO2!




FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 03:27am PT
Well Mental Case it's been billions of years not just ten thousand. So what is happening to that continuos heat source from the Earth's interior, could it be a contributing cause to the oceanic oscillations? I'm trying to get you religious sicko's to start thinking. Just maybe, if you guys look to the oceans and sun instead of discounting their effects in favor of the mythical molecule CO2, you could find a path to rationality.

Please don't tell us you're still pissed that the (un)settled science of anthropogenic global warming" never previously 'assured you' that pollution in China could counteract the effects of increased atmospheric CO2!

We should let geniuses like you guys and Chief Min-Ee-Mind cure our diseases, grow our food, and explore our universe. Your thorough understanding of the natural world is awe-inspiring.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 2, 2013 - 08:21am PT
BASE,That AAPG Explorer is a good read ,thanks.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 2, 2013 - 08:54am PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/09/01/if-all-you-see-878/
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:06am PT
FRONTALOBOTME:
Your thorough understanding of the natural world is awe-inspiring.




Much deeper and far more thorough than yours ever will be. Unlike you, I live in it 24/7. Have done so for over 10 plus years now. Self-Reliant. Not through the confines of some College Course textbook or the computer screen as you so obviously do.

You come on here with your arrogant elitist self-righteous demeaning Utopian attitude posting nothing to back up your shet slinging. Amazingly, just like DRF does, at any and everyone that does not walk and talk the same tune as you.

The fked up deal about that FRONTAL, you live, eat, breath and travel 24/7, solely in the confines of the City. Totally dependent on the MAN for everything. Daily. Your time in the "natural world" probably consists of a day or two a month if even that much. That of course is if your significant other allows you to.

You are like the rest of these "White Coat City Dwelling Utopian Elitist" here and throughout your ideological global club, a complete hypocrite.

Seriously appears that you are totally jealous of the fact that people like me are free of the chains you are bound by. That you haven't the internal strength to drop the "MAN" and go live your life free. All in the "Natural World". Not within your self imposed prison of the City.

The City aint the Natural World dipshet. But YOUR SCIENCE doesn't allow you to understand that.

Oh yeah... the Natural World consists of entities much more than what you and your science perceive it to be. Your science will never instruct you how to understand and accept that. Doing so would completely moot it's fundamental laws.
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:18am PT
Summer, Dick: http://www.jpands.org/vol18no3/lindzen.pdf

This is the best you've got? A "Famous" (discredited) MIT meteorologist writes a rant and publishes it in a trade rag for physicians?

Chief Eye-Mutt-What: Lindzen's the guy who's on the record for denying the link between cigarettes and lung cancer....THESE are the guys whose science you bow to?
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:43am PT
The City aint the Natural World dipshet. But YOUR SCIENCE doesn't allow you to understand that.


Study: Urbanites are Greener than Suburbanites

Despite all of their perceived environmental problems, a recent study by the International Institute for Environment and Development has found that city dwellers generate far fewer CO2 emissions than folks who live in the suburbs or country. Of the 12 cities in Asia, North America, South America and Europe that were studied, researchers found that metropolitan areas had smaller carbon footprints than the countryside

Are city dwellers more green than Thoreau wannabes?

Henry David Thoreau is a hero to many traditional environmentalists. The idea of being self-sufficient among the natural world is a catchy one. But are the real environmentalists those who are actually living in the urban jungle? Edward Glaeser thinks so. In fact, he says in the Boston Globe today, “If you love nature, stay away from it. The best means of protecting the environment is to live in the heart of a city.” In a study, Glaeser, a Harvard economist, and author of the new book Triumph of the City, found that households living in communities of 10,000 or more people used an average of 687 gallons of gas per year, while households in communities of 1,000 or less used an average of 1,164 gallons. We estimated that a standardized household in Boston’s urban core emits about 6,700 fewer pounds of carbon dioxide per year due to driving habits than an equivalent suburban household. Certainly, when I moved from Cambridge to a woodsy suburb, I spent endless hours in my planet-polluting Subaru. The public transportation that is more common in cities does little to balance the scales. But it’s not only the car habits of urbanites that make cities greener. Cities use electricity much more efficiently than their suburban foes, he argues. There are also substantial electricity and home heating differences between cities and suburbs, mostly because suburbanites have bigger homes, even holding income and family size constant. After all, many people move to the suburbs precisely because they want a bigger home. On average, electricity use is 88 percent higher in single-family detached homes than in apartments in buildings with five or more units. All told, the standardized suburban household in the Boston area produces almost six tons more carbon dioxide per year than the standardized urban household. So what’s the best rule to live by if you want to be green? Glaeser: ”Living around trees is less green than living around concrete.”


Cities vs. suburbs: The next big green battle?

We are in a situation where we have an opposition party, essentially running the U.S. government, that is willing to say things like, “Climate change is a hoax.” It represents a minority of Americans. It’s completely beholden to big business and is very clearly using xenophobia, racism, and fear of change to block environmental, climate, transportation, and energy action. Basically, they are making this about, ‘Do you really want urban people destroying your way of life?’


Cities: Better for Green Living Than Suburbs

Suburban families use three times as much energy as urban families of the same size, according to researchers at the Brookings Institution. Visiting fellow Christopher Leinberger says more people would choose to live in more populated areas if housing was easier to come by.

Dear Chief;

Your idiocy continues to amaze. It truly does. There isn't anyone, not a single person on ST that's anywhere near as stupid as you are...ok, maybe Ron Anderson; he comes pretty close. It leaves me breathless! I'm in awe! You are a monument, the pyramids of Giza of stupid. Go ahead and accuse me of being childish and calling you names but YOU are the God of stupid. Muslim suicide bombers and the Libertarian Party pray every night that they should one day be as stupid as you. They're working hard at it, but you have reached Stupid Nirvana and are untouchable. You are the Buddha of Stupid and no mortal will EVER be as stupid as you.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Sep 2, 2013 - 10:46am PT
Excellent idea fartmental.. Lets us all get rid of our cars. Climb ONLY your local rocks- if you have them. No more trips in dastardly planet polluters to the Red Rocks, or YOS or ANYWHERE! Im likin that idea.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 2, 2013 - 11:48am PT
FRONTALOBOTOME:
Chief: Lindzen's the guy who's on the record for denying the link between cigarettes and lung cancer

Post a viable ref to back this up!!!

If ya got none, it doesn't exist. Just like 99.9% of the shet you post here.


Lawn-covered suburbs seem like they would be more suited to green living than cramped cities. But more people are gravitating to urban areas in the name of ecology.

Ah, one problem LOBOTOMEASS, I DO NOT LIVE IN THE "BURBS". what part of I live in the middle of no where do you not understand!!!! Just goes to prove my point regarding your sorryass WHITE COAT CITY DWELLING MENTALITY.

Your sorry ass thinks the "BURBS" is out in the "Country".

Yeah, this is the "BURBS". What a fking dipshet you truly are FORT.
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