mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Aug 23, 2013 - 03:00am PT
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the chief do you have any other books written by a scientist who discusses climate change? If not then indeed you are taking the viewpoint you agree with and endorsing it (wich is not objective thinking--any college level essay requires you to research both side of your arguement).
If that is you in the orange shirt (on the pics previously posted--this page) please stop posting here and begin an exercise program---(this doesn't mean another day catching brookies--but it does mean swimming, jogging, riding a PEDAL bike etc.).
The exercise program will reduce stress and you will feel better about things in life...wich will make us all feel better...GOOD LUCK!!!
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FörtMental
Social climber
Albuquerque
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Aug 23, 2013 - 04:54am PT
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The exercise program will reduce stress and you will feel better about things in life...wich will make us all feel better...
Chief's not stressed; only his feet.
Somebody give him a foot rub.
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QITNL
climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 06:07am PT
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Climate Change skeptics?
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thebird
Big Wall climber
palm desert, ca.
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Aug 23, 2013 - 06:59am PT
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I find it curious that, the Democrats so willing to kill coal power electricity in the U.S., while at time eagerly selling our coal to China.
Civilization rest on pillars of agriculture and industry; agriculture requires water and industry requires energy. Industry reduces the labor necessary for agriculture and made slavery obsolete, but presently industry supplies most of the jobs for a modern civilization. If I wanted to destroy a civilization I would cut off the water or the energy. Oh that's right, our government has already done that.
All we have to do now is wait.
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FörtMental
Social climber
Albuquerque
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:08am PT
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If I wanted to destroy a civilization I would cut off the water or the energy. Oh that's right, our government has already done that.
You must the chief's fact checker. Does he pay you by haul bag?
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The Chief
climber
From the Land of the Mongols
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:05am PT
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Why don't you tard's come by the office anytime and see for real how "fat" and "short" I truly am.
Like everything else you Utopians AGWist must do when all else fails and when getting your asses kicked and wiped all over the floor, you must resort to totally manipulating the truth or just downright spraying lies and bullshet to attain your position.
(Pretty sad & fkd up when ya'll need to go fishing the internet for some pic's to play on)
All part of the protocol. At least you are all consistent.
To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. Dr. S. Schneider, Discover, pp. 45–48, Oct. 1989
The Bird:
Excellent point that these Caveman hypocritical Utopians will never concern themselves with. All they want is their ideological/political way of life to be implemented world wide. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the climate nor environment.
FORTMENTAL:
Your ignorance once again prevails.
Do some "fact checking" (on who "The Bird" is) and you will find that you will then have to get both of your stench filled caveman feet outta your ass... I mean mouth.
Typical AGW ALARMIST
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:15am PT
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I think there's a better picture of him on Dingus' thread: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2208501&msg=2209012#msg2209012
TRAIN ENGINEERS or any other kind of ENGINEERS & ECONOMISTS are NOT SCIENTIST
Uh, you might want to have a word with the students and faculty at CalTech, MIT, Harvey Mudd, etc as well as most of the people working at NASA.
BTW- an opinion from an uneducated fool such as yourself is not "fact" no matter how much of a tantrum you throw.
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FörtMental
Social climber
Albuquerque
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:34am PT
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Do some "fact checking" (on who "The Bird" is) and you will find that you will then have to get both of your stench filled caveman feet outta your ass... I mean mouth.
Like, who doesn't know "the Bird" is: Goofy looking honky with a lousy jump shot.
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Burch3y
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:41am PT
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You can always tell when someone feels like they are losing the discussion...let's start picking on physical appearance like 11 year olds!
Morons.
What makes it especially hilarious, is there are only probably a handful of climbers on here that could legitimately pass judgment on the way someone looks. Strangely enough, I don't think I ever hear them do so. It's usually the funniest looking maggot that start in on such attacks.
If you don't like Chief's opinion, fine. Be a man and focus on that.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:45am PT
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but presently industry supplies most of the jobs for a modern civilization
Incorrect. Try again. SERVICES sector provides "most of the jobs for a modern civilization.", not industry. This is common knowledge to anyone with a basic understanding of economics and labor force issues. The only cases where it is even close is third world countries and it is still roughly equal in those cases. First world? About 2:1 services jobs to industry jobs.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:46am PT
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...let's start picking on physical appearance like 11 year olds!
Just trying to meet him on a level he can easily grasp...
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The Chief
climber
From the Land of the Mongols
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:48am PT
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Uh, you might want to have a word with the students and faculty at CalTech, MIT, Harvey Mudd, etc as well as most of the people working at NASA.
And the exact same thing can be said regarding Pielke Jr/Sr, Spencer, Christy, Lindzen etc etc etc.
FORT:
Try again stooge.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 23, 2013 - 10:55am PT
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^^and quite a few of those in that group, agree with the basic consensus on AGW^^
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The Chief
climber
From the Land of the Mongols
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:03am PT
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And quite a few of those are telling your side NOT to spazz and continue the hysteria. They indicate that the DATA is far from telling the ENTIRE story. That ALL Climate Science is no where near knowing exactly what is going on and how much anthro forcing is involved. Or if it truly is.
But your extreme alramist side try to paint a completely different and more manipulated despairing picture.
Telling us all that unless we do as you state we do, we are all doomed.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:05am PT
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Just wanted to make sure others knew that a lot of them agree with the basics of AGW, cuz we know you wouldn't mention it.
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The Chief
climber
From the Land of the Mongols
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:24am PT
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Again MONO, they indicate with the SAME verbiage that you all utilize persistently...
"COULD BE" or "MAY BE"
And if it is, it is NO WHERE NEAR the levels that your side continues to indicate. It "MAY" play a tiny fraction of the part. "MAY".
In saying that, they ALL agree that Natural forcing prevails. Any mitigation policies your insane side indicates need to be immediately implemented globally, would have no affect on what is truly going on. Other than totally disrupting the worlds current economic environment and sending it into a downward spiral. Possibly collapsing it. Exemplified by the EU's dumping all GREEN policies and potential Carbon Credit programs. Why? Cus it has failed miserably.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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Back when humans were largely nomadic tribes living off the land and not creating mountains of waste, the earth's biosphere was in balance. Then we began to see the advantage of farming and ranching. Still the Earth was cool with it. Then we realized that by adding chemicals and steroids to the mix, we could increase yeilds and profits, allowing some people to have more productive and leisurely lives. Soon signs of nature's imbalance became apparent- polluted water table, polluted atmosphere, increased diseases traceable to industrial run-off, extinctions, changing wildlife population dynamics.
Humans became concerned and pushed for more regulation of industrial waste. Slowly some reversal of the damage was made. But the companies that had their businesses regulated were not happy and fought every step of the way (and continue to do so) by using disinformation and self-funded studies to "prove" that the experts were wrong. Big Tobacco is the poster child.
Now we're finding that our atmosphere is changing in ways we didn't previously have the ability to understand. And it looks pretty bad for the future of mandkind if nothing is done to change it. Billions of people living in cities needing larger yeilds of food and energy to maintain their existence. And guess who's pushing hard to keep the status quo? Yes,the very same businesses that profit from it.
Do you think that by trying to reduce our "footprints" on the Earth, we might be able to bring the Earth back into a better balance, or should we continue on blithely thinking that we aren't causing any harm...
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The Chief
climber
From the Land of the Mongols
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:34am PT
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Do you think that by trying to reduce our "footprints" on the Earth,
Please do explain how "YOU" are going to do that, realistically, as the population continues to grow at the rate it currently does?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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zzzz...science bashing...zzz
Cigarettes were conceived, manufactured, and promoted without an assist from scientists.
But you have never let facts get in the way of a perfectly good rant, or making yourself look like a fool. So please, carry on.
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